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I want Conte as we won’t get Poch now!!
Think he’ll whip up the players into shape and not tolerate the laziness and slackness the players enjoyed recently! Hope he pulls down the player power going on at the club! Also Conte will let Levy know to not stick his Orr into footballing business!👍 a winner!
I'm all in on Conte. I was happy with a Potter or Ten Hag project manager. However, Conte is a top manager and an opportunity I hope we take.
The facker is the main reason we didn't win the league under peak poch. That Chelsea team were good, but nothing special and he turned them into a machine.
The main reservation is he will fall out with Levy and leave inside 2 years. But that's on levy, he knows what he is getting himself in to with Conte.
The only way this could be a good appointment is if Levy provides Conte with the tools he requires for success. That would be a healthy transfer budget, getting rid of deadwood, keeping Kane and being able to bring in his own backroom staff.
Failing any of that, there's no point bringing him in.
Now Poch is off the table seemingly, yeah I'd say all in on Conte BUT...
Not unless there is gonna be major, major investment in the squad without selling Kane. If we operate the same way we have been for the last 20 years under ENIC, and form suggests we absolutely will, then it just will not work with Conte at the helm.
We might bring in one or two marquee signings and then when Conte realises he can't get the 30 year old player he wants, for example, as the club feels that with no sell on value, it's not good business, the grumbling will start. You have to remember that when he first joined Chelsea he spent a load of money and then wanted to spend a load again the next summer. Chelsea refused as they were already Prem Champions and he threw his dummy out of the pram. Backing Conte doesn't mean heavy investment for 1 or 2 windows. It means backing him every single window for the remainder of his contract. No club in the world can do that. Even the state sponsored ones have some form of FFP restriction.
He's the kid that eats the bag of sweets before all the other kids and cries because he hasn't got any more. Unless you refill that bag, he's gonna go nuts.
That said, if Poch is 100% off the table, I'd love to see this one get over the line. He might be the only manager that can bully Levy into spending more than any other. If Poch or ETH did come in then Levy can comfortably return to form a tighten the purse strings as he knows he can with them.
Basically with Conte and Levy, in order for this to work, one of them has to change and my hunch is that neither will.
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If it ain't poch then Conte would be my next pick. As long as its not Mr Bean Martinez.
I suspect Poch is still the long term target. Conte will be there 2 seasons max. Hopefully win something and leave a leaner and technically better squad.
Poch then comes in after winning 2 x Ligue 1 titles and CL. Steers Spurs to a CL Premiership double, dominates EPL football for the next 10 years and retires as the most decorated manager in football history. Levy/Lewis in the meantime realises money isn't everything and gifts the club to the fans, they retire to the Cayman Islands to raise unicorns.
I'm still of the opinion that we need to set up a director of football role first, because which ever manager you bring in will be clashing with Levy, need to get Levy's hands off the direct involvement with transfers
comment by EastUpper (U11623)
posted 8 minutes ago
I suspect Poch is still the long term target. Conte will be there 2 seasons max. Hopefully win something and leave a leaner and technically better squad.
Poch then comes in after winning 2 x Ligue 1 titles and CL. Steers Spurs to a CL Premiership double, dominates EPL football for the next 10 years and retires as the most decorated manager in football history. Levy/Lewis in the meantime realises money isn't everything and gifts the club to the fans, they retire to the Cayman Islands to raise unicorns.
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And we all live happily after.
The fact that there are now reports of contractual stumbling blocks and disagreements over spending plans should serve as a glimpse into just how chaotic, explosive and messy things could get. It's basically started already and he hasn't even signed yet. I don't remember how things happened with Abramovich but I wouldn't mind betting it went "How much do you want?" "Sure, Done". That's what Conte needs to hear. He doesn't do compromise and concessions.
Obviously just rumour though. It may have already been signed and sealed.
Sign him up.
He's one of the best managers on the planet. It won't be down to him if we fail to get where we need to be. His record justifies that statement. We're a handful of players short of bouncing back bolder. A little bit of Italian swagger could make all the difference.
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm still of the opinion that we need to set up a director of football role first, because which ever manager you bring in will be clashing with Levy, need to get Levy's hands off the direct involvement with transfers
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I'm a bit concerned that this new Italian DoF is coming in because he's worked with Conte before. No manager should dictate which sporting director comes in. What happens when Conte leaves in two years or less? The DoF should be about the long term club plan, not recruited to work well with the manager you've already chosen.
If the DoF agreed to sign and recommended Conte then that's the right hierarchical structure.
Only problem for Levy is that Conte is not a yes man,if he does get the gig it will be short and unsweetend.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by EastUpper (U11623)
posted 8 minutes ago
I suspect Poch is still the long term target. Conte will be there 2 seasons max. Hopefully win something and leave a leaner and technically better squad.
Poch then comes in after winning 2 x Ligue 1 titles and CL. Steers Spurs to a CL Premiership double, dominates EPL football for the next 10 years and retires as the most decorated manager in football history. Levy/Lewis in the meantime realises money isn't everything and gifts the club to the fans, they retire to the Cayman Islands to raise unicorns.
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And we all live happily after.
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We can dream, as Spurs fans it's all we have got.
I still don't think it will happen. It stinks of levy messing this up and would be typically spursey for it to all fall through at final hurdle
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm still of the opinion that we need to set up a director of football role first, because which ever manager you bring in will be clashing with Levy, need to get Levy's hands off the direct involvement with transfers
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I'm a bit concerned that this new Italian DoF is coming in because he's worked with Conte before. No manager should dictate which sporting director comes in. What happens when Conte leaves in two years or less? The DoF should be about the long term club plan, not recruited to work well with the manager you've already chosen.
If the DoF agreed to sign and recommended Conte then that's the right hierarchical structure.
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this The new DOF is 100% Conte's choice so completely the wrong way round. Still waiting for his boss to give the nod before joining.
Oh well it is what it is and if Levy delivers Conte then he will have done well.
It will be exciting to see what Conte can do with these lazy fackers. Conte is not a delegating coach like Jose and will quickly identify and destroy the "bad eggs" in the group and hopefully move them on.
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His cv is very impressive but so was Jose's.
If I was Conte I would avoid us like the plague but I guess like many others his ego is such that he thinks he can make Spurs a trophy machine.
Unless our squad (thats full of overpaid losers) gets a massive overhaul nothing will change. Our lot could finish any managers career regardless of their previous success.
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 1 minute ago
To answer the OP, yes - I personally am on board with us getting Conte, he would be my first choice out of him, Poch, ETH and Potter at this stage after giving it some consideration. Why? Because he’s an elite manager at the top of his game, how often do we have the chance to have one of those at Spurs? You don’t have to spend big to have successful recruitment, we’ve proven that ourselves in the past. If we can rebuild in year 1 it would be very interesting and exciting to see what he could do in year 2.
Romano made a good point on the radio earlier that regardless of his faults Levy is a similar character in that he is very highly driven and extremely dedicated to his club and in this respect Conte would probably like to work such a chairman who shared his work ethic - provided that both of their (and any DoF’s) roles are clearly defined.
There’s an argument that it could all go wrong in 2 years, but you could potentially make that argument for any manager that was appointed. For me, if it’s achievable then I think it’s too good an opportunity for us as a club to miss. Typically, just as I’ve come round to the idea it seems to be going a bit pear shaped.
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I agree with you he's an elite manager and if Poch is 100% unavailable we should go all out to get him but I'm sceptical it will work under our structure.
You're right. You don't have to spend big to have successful recruitment but the less you spend, the less ready players generally are. They'll need coaching and time to get better. Conte is not a manager time is afforded to. He wants success now.
Then there's the age at which the club normally buys and the type of players Conte will want. At Inter he signed Kolorov 34, Vidal 34, Godin 35, Eriksen 28, Sanchez 32, Darmian 31, Young 35, amongst other younger players. These are the types experienced players Conte likes as they can hit the ground running. Levy will not sanction deals of this kind. They'll be on extortionate wages and will have no sell on value. Also older players can be successful in Italy as the game is slower. That policy doesn't work in a business or footballing sense in a more rapid Premier League environment.
I'm also not sure I agree that because they're both driven successful men they'll work well together. Their targets aren't the same. Conte is all about winning trophies and doing the business on the pitch. Levy's focus lies in the financials. How can we generate more revenue for playing staff without bankrupting the club. His legacy is the stadium build. They have two different targets and quite frankly, for me, they're more likely to clash over them than generate some sort of power harmony.
Levy frustrated Mr Nice Guy Poch by the end. It took about 4 years for that to happen. I can see Conte getting frustrated within 4 months.
I still think it's a round peg in a square hole but without Poch in the equation I still think we should just go for it and see where it takes us. Things can hardly get any worse now can they?!
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 41 minutes ago
The fact that there are now reports of contractual stumbling blocks and disagreements over spending plans should serve as a glimpse into just how chaotic, explosive and messy things could get. It's basically started already and he hasn't even signed yet. I don't remember how things happened with Abramovich but I wouldn't mind betting it went "How much do you want?" "Sure, Done". That's what Conte needs to hear. He doesn't do compromise and concessions.
Obviously just rumour though. It may have already been signed and sealed.
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Knowing Levy would you be surprised? It’s almost like Levy’s main purpose in life is to anger Spurs fans. He’s a top manager and wants reassurances. You seem to think we’re this top club, so start acting like one ffs.
Conte under Levy as we know him, will be destined to fail, because he will be given sub standard players
Conte under a all new different Levy with ambition to win silverware, will have a chance to win us something.
We already know ENIC are the problem, so unless they are willing to change, expect more of the same, Conte or no Conte.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 8 minutes ago
Conte under Levy as we know him, will be destined to fail, because he will be given sub standard players
Conte under a all new different Levy with ambition to win silverware, will have a chance to win us something.
We already know ENIC are the problem, so unless they are willing to change, expect more of the same, Conte or no Conte.
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I wish they would f^* off Billy I really do
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 41 minutes ago
The fact that there are now reports of contractual stumbling blocks and disagreements over spending plans should serve as a glimpse into just how chaotic, explosive and messy things could get. It's basically started already and he hasn't even signed yet. I don't remember how things happened with Abramovich but I wouldn't mind betting it went "How much do you want?" "Sure, Done". That's what Conte needs to hear. He doesn't do compromise and concessions.
Obviously just rumour though. It may have already been signed and sealed.
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Knowing Levy would you be surprised? It’s almost like Levy’s main purpose in life is to anger Spurs fans. He’s a top manager and wants reassurances. You seem to think we’re this top club, so start acting like one ffs.
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Yeah, that is true. It's pretty short-sighted for Levy to even bring in Conte if he has no plans to change his ways. Conte can only make a decision based on promises. Only Levy knows whether those promises will be honoured or broken. If he has no intention of spending loads more than he usually does then why in the hell is he even entertaining the idea of Conte? Surely he knows that unless he's backed heavily, it will all end in tears. If he doesn't increase net spend at all then you have to say he doesn't have a clue about football at all. If you have a specific business approach to football management and it leans more towards conservatism and caution then you have to bring in a manager that can work under those restrictions. It's like getting Da Vinci in to give your bay window the once over with a pot of emulsion.
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posted on 4/6/21
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I want Conte as we won’t get Poch now!!
Think he’ll whip up the players into shape and not tolerate the laziness and slackness the players enjoyed recently! Hope he pulls down the player power going on at the club! Also Conte will let Levy know to not stick his Orr into footballing business!👍 a winner!
posted on 4/6/21
I'm all in on Conte. I was happy with a Potter or Ten Hag project manager. However, Conte is a top manager and an opportunity I hope we take.
The facker is the main reason we didn't win the league under peak poch. That Chelsea team were good, but nothing special and he turned them into a machine.
The main reservation is he will fall out with Levy and leave inside 2 years. But that's on levy, he knows what he is getting himself in to with Conte.
posted on 4/6/21
The only way this could be a good appointment is if Levy provides Conte with the tools he requires for success. That would be a healthy transfer budget, getting rid of deadwood, keeping Kane and being able to bring in his own backroom staff.
Failing any of that, there's no point bringing him in.
posted on 4/6/21
Now Poch is off the table seemingly, yeah I'd say all in on Conte BUT...
Not unless there is gonna be major, major investment in the squad without selling Kane. If we operate the same way we have been for the last 20 years under ENIC, and form suggests we absolutely will, then it just will not work with Conte at the helm.
We might bring in one or two marquee signings and then when Conte realises he can't get the 30 year old player he wants, for example, as the club feels that with no sell on value, it's not good business, the grumbling will start. You have to remember that when he first joined Chelsea he spent a load of money and then wanted to spend a load again the next summer. Chelsea refused as they were already Prem Champions and he threw his dummy out of the pram. Backing Conte doesn't mean heavy investment for 1 or 2 windows. It means backing him every single window for the remainder of his contract. No club in the world can do that. Even the state sponsored ones have some form of FFP restriction.
He's the kid that eats the bag of sweets before all the other kids and cries because he hasn't got any more. Unless you refill that bag, he's gonna go nuts.
That said, if Poch is 100% off the table, I'd love to see this one get over the line. He might be the only manager that can bully Levy into spending more than any other. If Poch or ETH did come in then Levy can comfortably return to form a tighten the purse strings as he knows he can with them.
Basically with Conte and Levy, in order for this to work, one of them has to change and my hunch is that neither will.
posted on 4/6/21
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posted on 4/6/21
If it ain't poch then Conte would be my next pick. As long as its not Mr Bean Martinez.
posted on 4/6/21
I suspect Poch is still the long term target. Conte will be there 2 seasons max. Hopefully win something and leave a leaner and technically better squad.
Poch then comes in after winning 2 x Ligue 1 titles and CL. Steers Spurs to a CL Premiership double, dominates EPL football for the next 10 years and retires as the most decorated manager in football history. Levy/Lewis in the meantime realises money isn't everything and gifts the club to the fans, they retire to the Cayman Islands to raise unicorns.
posted on 4/6/21
I'm still of the opinion that we need to set up a director of football role first, because which ever manager you bring in will be clashing with Levy, need to get Levy's hands off the direct involvement with transfers
posted on 4/6/21
comment by EastUpper (U11623)
posted 8 minutes ago
I suspect Poch is still the long term target. Conte will be there 2 seasons max. Hopefully win something and leave a leaner and technically better squad.
Poch then comes in after winning 2 x Ligue 1 titles and CL. Steers Spurs to a CL Premiership double, dominates EPL football for the next 10 years and retires as the most decorated manager in football history. Levy/Lewis in the meantime realises money isn't everything and gifts the club to the fans, they retire to the Cayman Islands to raise unicorns.
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And we all live happily after.
posted on 4/6/21
The fact that there are now reports of contractual stumbling blocks and disagreements over spending plans should serve as a glimpse into just how chaotic, explosive and messy things could get. It's basically started already and he hasn't even signed yet. I don't remember how things happened with Abramovich but I wouldn't mind betting it went "How much do you want?" "Sure, Done". That's what Conte needs to hear. He doesn't do compromise and concessions.
Obviously just rumour though. It may have already been signed and sealed.
posted on 4/6/21
Sign him up.
He's one of the best managers on the planet. It won't be down to him if we fail to get where we need to be. His record justifies that statement. We're a handful of players short of bouncing back bolder. A little bit of Italian swagger could make all the difference.
posted on 4/6/21
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm still of the opinion that we need to set up a director of football role first, because which ever manager you bring in will be clashing with Levy, need to get Levy's hands off the direct involvement with transfers
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I'm a bit concerned that this new Italian DoF is coming in because he's worked with Conte before. No manager should dictate which sporting director comes in. What happens when Conte leaves in two years or less? The DoF should be about the long term club plan, not recruited to work well with the manager you've already chosen.
If the DoF agreed to sign and recommended Conte then that's the right hierarchical structure.
posted on 4/6/21
Only problem for Levy is that Conte is not a yes man,if he does get the gig it will be short and unsweetend.
posted on 4/6/21
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by EastUpper (U11623)
posted 8 minutes ago
I suspect Poch is still the long term target. Conte will be there 2 seasons max. Hopefully win something and leave a leaner and technically better squad.
Poch then comes in after winning 2 x Ligue 1 titles and CL. Steers Spurs to a CL Premiership double, dominates EPL football for the next 10 years and retires as the most decorated manager in football history. Levy/Lewis in the meantime realises money isn't everything and gifts the club to the fans, they retire to the Cayman Islands to raise unicorns.
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And we all live happily after.
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We can dream, as Spurs fans it's all we have got.
posted on 4/6/21
I still don't think it will happen. It stinks of levy messing this up and would be typically spursey for it to all fall through at final hurdle
posted on 4/6/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm still of the opinion that we need to set up a director of football role first, because which ever manager you bring in will be clashing with Levy, need to get Levy's hands off the direct involvement with transfers
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I'm a bit concerned that this new Italian DoF is coming in because he's worked with Conte before. No manager should dictate which sporting director comes in. What happens when Conte leaves in two years or less? The DoF should be about the long term club plan, not recruited to work well with the manager you've already chosen.
If the DoF agreed to sign and recommended Conte then that's the right hierarchical structure.
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this The new DOF is 100% Conte's choice so completely the wrong way round. Still waiting for his boss to give the nod before joining.
Oh well it is what it is and if Levy delivers Conte then he will have done well.
It will be exciting to see what Conte can do with these lazy fackers. Conte is not a delegating coach like Jose and will quickly identify and destroy the "bad eggs" in the group and hopefully move them on.
posted on 4/6/21
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posted on 4/6/21
His cv is very impressive but so was Jose's.
If I was Conte I would avoid us like the plague but I guess like many others his ego is such that he thinks he can make Spurs a trophy machine.
Unless our squad (thats full of overpaid losers) gets a massive overhaul nothing will change. Our lot could finish any managers career regardless of their previous success.
posted on 4/6/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 1 minute ago
To answer the OP, yes - I personally am on board with us getting Conte, he would be my first choice out of him, Poch, ETH and Potter at this stage after giving it some consideration. Why? Because he’s an elite manager at the top of his game, how often do we have the chance to have one of those at Spurs? You don’t have to spend big to have successful recruitment, we’ve proven that ourselves in the past. If we can rebuild in year 1 it would be very interesting and exciting to see what he could do in year 2.
Romano made a good point on the radio earlier that regardless of his faults Levy is a similar character in that he is very highly driven and extremely dedicated to his club and in this respect Conte would probably like to work such a chairman who shared his work ethic - provided that both of their (and any DoF’s) roles are clearly defined.
There’s an argument that it could all go wrong in 2 years, but you could potentially make that argument for any manager that was appointed. For me, if it’s achievable then I think it’s too good an opportunity for us as a club to miss. Typically, just as I’ve come round to the idea it seems to be going a bit pear shaped.
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I agree with you he's an elite manager and if Poch is 100% unavailable we should go all out to get him but I'm sceptical it will work under our structure.
You're right. You don't have to spend big to have successful recruitment but the less you spend, the less ready players generally are. They'll need coaching and time to get better. Conte is not a manager time is afforded to. He wants success now.
Then there's the age at which the club normally buys and the type of players Conte will want. At Inter he signed Kolorov 34, Vidal 34, Godin 35, Eriksen 28, Sanchez 32, Darmian 31, Young 35, amongst other younger players. These are the types experienced players Conte likes as they can hit the ground running. Levy will not sanction deals of this kind. They'll be on extortionate wages and will have no sell on value. Also older players can be successful in Italy as the game is slower. That policy doesn't work in a business or footballing sense in a more rapid Premier League environment.
I'm also not sure I agree that because they're both driven successful men they'll work well together. Their targets aren't the same. Conte is all about winning trophies and doing the business on the pitch. Levy's focus lies in the financials. How can we generate more revenue for playing staff without bankrupting the club. His legacy is the stadium build. They have two different targets and quite frankly, for me, they're more likely to clash over them than generate some sort of power harmony.
Levy frustrated Mr Nice Guy Poch by the end. It took about 4 years for that to happen. I can see Conte getting frustrated within 4 months.
I still think it's a round peg in a square hole but without Poch in the equation I still think we should just go for it and see where it takes us. Things can hardly get any worse now can they?!
posted on 4/6/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 41 minutes ago
The fact that there are now reports of contractual stumbling blocks and disagreements over spending plans should serve as a glimpse into just how chaotic, explosive and messy things could get. It's basically started already and he hasn't even signed yet. I don't remember how things happened with Abramovich but I wouldn't mind betting it went "How much do you want?" "Sure, Done". That's what Conte needs to hear. He doesn't do compromise and concessions.
Obviously just rumour though. It may have already been signed and sealed.
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Knowing Levy would you be surprised? It’s almost like Levy’s main purpose in life is to anger Spurs fans. He’s a top manager and wants reassurances. You seem to think we’re this top club, so start acting like one ffs.
posted on 4/6/21
Conte under Levy as we know him, will be destined to fail, because he will be given sub standard players
Conte under a all new different Levy with ambition to win silverware, will have a chance to win us something.
We already know ENIC are the problem, so unless they are willing to change, expect more of the same, Conte or no Conte.
posted on 4/6/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 8 minutes ago
Conte under Levy as we know him, will be destined to fail, because he will be given sub standard players
Conte under a all new different Levy with ambition to win silverware, will have a chance to win us something.
We already know ENIC are the problem, so unless they are willing to change, expect more of the same, Conte or no Conte.
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I wish they would f^* off Billy I really do
posted on 4/6/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 41 minutes ago
The fact that there are now reports of contractual stumbling blocks and disagreements over spending plans should serve as a glimpse into just how chaotic, explosive and messy things could get. It's basically started already and he hasn't even signed yet. I don't remember how things happened with Abramovich but I wouldn't mind betting it went "How much do you want?" "Sure, Done". That's what Conte needs to hear. He doesn't do compromise and concessions.
Obviously just rumour though. It may have already been signed and sealed.
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Knowing Levy would you be surprised? It’s almost like Levy’s main purpose in life is to anger Spurs fans. He’s a top manager and wants reassurances. You seem to think we’re this top club, so start acting like one ffs.
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Yeah, that is true. It's pretty short-sighted for Levy to even bring in Conte if he has no plans to change his ways. Conte can only make a decision based on promises. Only Levy knows whether those promises will be honoured or broken. If he has no intention of spending loads more than he usually does then why in the hell is he even entertaining the idea of Conte? Surely he knows that unless he's backed heavily, it will all end in tears. If he doesn't increase net spend at all then you have to say he doesn't have a clue about football at all. If you have a specific business approach to football management and it leans more towards conservatism and caution then you have to bring in a manager that can work under those restrictions. It's like getting Da Vinci in to give your bay window the once over with a pot of emulsion.
posted on 4/6/21
Fabrizio Romano:
Official, confirmed. Antonio Conte has signed his contract as new Tottenham manager until June 2023. #spurs #Tottenham
COYS!
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