Managers can underperform but the club can have potential to do much better like Tuchel and Chelsea, the only way was up for him and the squad they have but with Arsenal there's more risk than upside for any top tier established manager.
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We really are in a similar "Only way is up," position though. You talk about it as though Arteta's dire showing getting to 8 points of CL aren't direct and CRYSTAL clarification that a manager of Zidane's quality could comfortably achieve EL if not CL footy without breaking a sweat, with this squad.
Comes down to whether you think Zidane could substantially outdo Arteta using the same players and I'm in a "Hell yeah he could, EASILY," camp. So IMO with Zidane-Arsenal, there's no "It'll trash my rep if I fail," for him to even have to worry about for at least one if not two seasons. Thanks to Arteta, the bar is so low he can step over it and he'd be odds on to be the man who returned us to the CL. He just has to tell good players how to play ffs, something Arteta can't do.
You maybe should take into account that I'm of the mind that half the posters on the boards could have picked more successful teams this season than Arteta, his feck up has been an easily avoided DOOZY!
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
What makes you sure Zidane without money would work at Arsenal?
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His pedigree and experience. He's not someone I see as necessarily HAVING to have a Real bankroll to build a good football team. Just someone who had the quality to be given the job that bankroll came with pretty much straight off the bat. And remember I'm talking about getting this team that would already be in Europe next season if Arteta wasn't totally clueless. Back to EL at the least and maybe even CL for 22/23 (I don't fancy Arteta's chances at all).
Given that the team plus loanees back is already strong enough to get the job done, why you think Zidane would need vast cash injections for that, I don't know. Now if you're talking WIN the PL or CL then yes but our immediate goal is a return to European (preferably CL) football, it's a much lower bar and we already have the players to do it without a big cash outlay first. Once back in CL, then he/we would need to be concerned with needing big money. But for now it just needs a manager with some kinda clue how to manage a team of players and it'll be a cake walk back to Europe for one with as much of a clue as Zidane.
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Ah I see another one who believes in miracles.
Chelsea and Tuchel is in a complete different situation than Arsenal ffs.
Zidane completely underrated at Real this past season.
Top manager. Never gonna happen at Arsenal.
Has he won a trophy with Real this season? This is what it is all about.
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posted 12 minutes ago
Has he won a trophy with Real this season? This is what it is all about.
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Not at Arsenal right now it isn't. Thanks to Mikel ArTiTa, here it's about a definite return to European football, preferably CL. His record bomb season 7th place proves the only thing this current squad of players needs for European football, is a manager with the ability to manage. Which makes a manager of Zidane's calibre pretty much a sure thing.
As for believing in miracles, the whole post was never actually meant to be about whether he'd come or not. It was about the announcement ArTiTa would be backed in the market being yet another blag. And how if the kes weren't full of sh !t about spending money they'd be making an immediate approach/enquiry to at least TRY to sign Zidane, so it was him spending the cash instead of ArTiTa. Especially with Zidane representing a ridiculously higher chance of a good return for their spend.
Ya really should READ articles properly before you start witcha self
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posted on 7/6/21
Managers can underperform but the club can have potential to do much better like Tuchel and Chelsea, the only way was up for him and the squad they have but with Arsenal there's more risk than upside for any top tier established manager.
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We really are in a similar "Only way is up," position though. You talk about it as though Arteta's dire showing getting to 8 points of CL aren't direct and CRYSTAL clarification that a manager of Zidane's quality could comfortably achieve EL if not CL footy without breaking a sweat, with this squad.
Comes down to whether you think Zidane could substantially outdo Arteta using the same players and I'm in a "Hell yeah he could, EASILY," camp. So IMO with Zidane-Arsenal, there's no "It'll trash my rep if I fail," for him to even have to worry about for at least one if not two seasons. Thanks to Arteta, the bar is so low he can step over it and he'd be odds on to be the man who returned us to the CL. He just has to tell good players how to play ffs, something Arteta can't do.
You maybe should take into account that I'm of the mind that half the posters on the boards could have picked more successful teams this season than Arteta, his feck up has been an easily avoided DOOZY!
posted on 7/6/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
What makes you sure Zidane without money would work at Arsenal?
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His pedigree and experience. He's not someone I see as necessarily HAVING to have a Real bankroll to build a good football team. Just someone who had the quality to be given the job that bankroll came with pretty much straight off the bat. And remember I'm talking about getting this team that would already be in Europe next season if Arteta wasn't totally clueless. Back to EL at the least and maybe even CL for 22/23 (I don't fancy Arteta's chances at all).
Given that the team plus loanees back is already strong enough to get the job done, why you think Zidane would need vast cash injections for that, I don't know. Now if you're talking WIN the PL or CL then yes but our immediate goal is a return to European (preferably CL) football, it's a much lower bar and we already have the players to do it without a big cash outlay first. Once back in CL, then he/we would need to be concerned with needing big money. But for now it just needs a manager with some kinda clue how to manage a team of players and it'll be a cake walk back to Europe for one with as much of a clue as Zidane.
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Ah I see another one who believes in miracles.
posted on 7/6/21
Chelsea and Tuchel is in a complete different situation than Arsenal ffs.
posted on 7/6/21
Zidane completely underrated at Real this past season.
Top manager. Never gonna happen at Arsenal.
posted on 7/6/21
Has he won a trophy with Real this season? This is what it is all about.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 12 minutes ago
Has he won a trophy with Real this season? This is what it is all about.
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Not at Arsenal right now it isn't. Thanks to Mikel ArTiTa, here it's about a definite return to European football, preferably CL. His record bomb season 7th place proves the only thing this current squad of players needs for European football, is a manager with the ability to manage. Which makes a manager of Zidane's calibre pretty much a sure thing.
As for believing in miracles, the whole post was never actually meant to be about whether he'd come or not. It was about the announcement ArTiTa would be backed in the market being yet another blag. And how if the kes weren't full of sh !t about spending money they'd be making an immediate approach/enquiry to at least TRY to sign Zidane, so it was him spending the cash instead of ArTiTa. Especially with Zidane representing a ridiculously higher chance of a good return for their spend.
Ya really should READ articles properly before you start witcha self
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