"depends a lot on his fullbacks"!!
YUP...this guy should not come to Tottenham without very cast iron assurances from Levy about the whole back line, and replacements for Kane an d probably Son.
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Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 3 minutes ago
Lopetegui now being linked by Spanish press, rumours of THFC board concern at fan reaction to Fonseca. All hearsay of course, Fonseca remains 1/10’for the job and the more I’ve read about him the more accepting I am of it, without being bowled over. Main concerns are he isn’t renowned for his defensive coaching abilities and our defence already stinks. Scoring isn’t the issue, not giving away cheap goals most definitely is. Although the scoring thing will change soon enough if Kane goes, his goal contributions will be almost impossible to replace on our reported budget of fack all. If Paratici is advising Fonseca then that’s who we should get - why bring in a DoF then overrule his first major decision, he’ll just walk.
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You sure about that Ace? I think the article you’re talking about was discovered to be a rehash of a Duncan Castles story from 2 days ago, before we were even linked to Fonseca.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
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Mr Doom and Gloom is here.
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
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Mr Doom and Gloom is here.
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Imagine how Arsenal feel
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 7 hours, 40 minutes ago
"depends a lot on his fullbacks"!!
YUP...this guy should not come to Tottenham without very cast iron assurances from Levy about the whole back line, and replacements for Kane an d probably Son.
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I'm hoping this is why we signed Paratici. He has a lot of work
Honestly some of our fans are pathetic!
The reaction with Fonseca being linked was pathetic. Some fans don't even know anything about the attenuating circumstances at Roma, with players over 35 years old playing, which is why Roma struggled, but footballing wise, Roma actually played some of the best footballs in Europe!
Yes, our fans need to temper their expectations a bit. We are not the glory hunters FC, like Chelsea who can promise £60m+ players to managers to attract.
Fonseca is like I said before one of the candidates, and not yet signed and yet some fans on here are throwing their toys out of the pram already!
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
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Mr Doom and Gloom is here.
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How ironic!
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 40 minutes ago
Honestly some of our fans are pathetic!
The reaction with Fonseca being linked was pathetic. Some fans don't even know anything about the attenuating circumstances at Roma, with players over 35 years old playing, which is why Roma struggled, but footballing wise, Roma actually played some of the best footballs in Europe!
Yes, our fans need to temper their expectations a bit. We are not the glory hunters FC, like Chelsea who can promise £60m+ players to managers to attract.
Fonseca is like I said before one of the candidates, and not yet signed and yet some fans on here are throwing their toys out of the pram already!
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Some people are just happy to plod along in life. I've got no issue with that. Some people have got a bit more aspiration and may want to aim a little bit higher.
If every fan took the attitude of the need to temper expectations and were quite happy just to float about like a jellyfish the club would do the same. The board need a bit of pressure from the fans so they don't get complacent.
We've got the foundation to become an elite club over the next 5 years, we now need owners to match that ambition. Let's hope Levy's true to his word.
Whilst not an exciting appointment, we have to give the guy a chance. Myself and a few others were a bit sceptical of Poch at first and look how that worked out.
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posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
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Imagine how Arsenal feel
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fack them though
and they still know that they can win trophies being chit at least, we cant even win them being good
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posted 30 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 40 minutes ago
Honestly some of our fans are pathetic!
The reaction with Fonseca being linked was pathetic. Some fans don't even know anything about the attenuating circumstances at Roma, with players over 35 years old playing, which is why Roma struggled, but footballing wise, Roma actually played some of the best footballs in Europe!
Yes, our fans need to temper their expectations a bit. We are not the glory hunters FC, like Chelsea who can promise £60m+ players to managers to attract.
Fonseca is like I said before one of the candidates, and not yet signed and yet some fans on here are throwing their toys out of the pram already!
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Some people are just happy to plod along in life. I've got no issue with that. Some people have got a bit more aspiration and may want to aim a little bit higher.
If every fan took the attitude of the need to temper expectations and were quite happy just to float about like a jellyfish the club would do the same. The board need a bit of pressure from the fans so they don't get complacent.
We've got the foundation to become an elite club over the next 5 years, we now need owners to match that ambition. Let's hope Levy's true to his word.
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What foundations to become ?
Stadium, maybe?
Players : not really.
Other than Kane and Son, we have only deadwoods and players who can't even show any kind of fitness levels to last in games?
We are not Spurs that was under Poch 2015-17 seasons, mate
Wake up. This team isn't that good anymore. We need a rebuild from scratch and that's why Kane leaving is understandable.
His attacking style would suit our players just we need to sign top defenders to support that
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posted 3 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
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Maybe, just maybe, Sandy, a lot of us fans, virtually all of us were happy for 5 years before people like yourself were constantly screaming at Dan's door to get shot of Poch. Now look at us.
You wanted this.
So yeah, damn right I'm angry. Doom and gloom? Get real. Whilst the rest of us were enjoying the sunshine under Poch, you were the only one stuck under a cloud. Mr positive? Mr feckin' hypocrisy.
Pre-empting the usual 'get over Poch' response from yourself now, which is your usual diatribe when you realise your wrong.
Ta ta
We'll be ok under Fonseca
There are better options available but that doesn't mean he's a disaster - the initial reaction from some posters was pretty embarrassing.
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
We'll be ok under Fonseca
There are better options available but that doesn't mean he's a disaster - the initial reaction from some posters was pretty embarrassing.
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The worry is that like Jose, some fans are almost hoping he fails so they can be angry again at the owners.
On the flip side if he's a succeas then it will be "Levy got lucky as he was 5th choice".
it's a sad state of affairs that many cannot park their OTT hatred of the owners. Expectations are raised because of the progress made but no credit is given for that progress. When things return to normal.al our ability to challenge will also improve as our finances are now much stronger.
This appointment is key though. Fonseca to me seems like a bit of middle ground. Not a back to basics rebuild kinda guy, and not a high profile pedigree instant impact type. I can understand why many may be underwhelmed but its still all just speculation at this stage.
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We don`t need a rebuild from scratch, put a competent defensive unit and a top class CM into our team and we will have a great team. We will always score plenty of goals and we have great attacking players, it is the individual defensive errors and failure to dominate central midfield that lets us down.
Let's get this right. The only reason we are unsatisfied with the Fonseca appointment is because of the progression Poch gave us. Sure, off-field business acquisitions, stadiums, training ground and sponsorship have been more in line with the larger clubs for which Levy and the owners do deserve credit but the sole reason for our flirtation with Conte, widely considered to be one of the best managers in world football today, is still down to the platform and awareness Poch provided us with. You can't get close to resigning Poch, then Conte, then Ten Hag and drop right down to someone like Fonseca. You just can't. It's not just the appointment. It's the constant 'downsizing' of choices. If this goes on for another 50 days, I'm expecting Barry Fry to walk through the door.
Fonseca is underwhelming anyway based on his record but when you add in the backdrop of top managers we've allegedly tried to acquire, this stinks even more.
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posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
We'll be ok under Fonseca
There are better options available but that doesn't mean he's a disaster - the initial reaction from some posters was pretty embarrassing.
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The worry is that like Jose, some fans are almost hoping he fails so they can be angry again at the owners.
On the flip side if he's a succeas then it will be "Levy got lucky as he was 5th choice".
it's a sad state of affairs that many cannot park their OTT hatred of the owners. Expectations are raised because of the progress made but no credit is given for that progress. When things return to normal.al our ability to challenge will also improve as our finances are now much stronger.
This appointment is key though. Fonseca to me seems like a bit of middle ground. Not a back to basics rebuild kinda guy, and not a high profile pedigree instant impact type. I can understand why many may be underwhelmed but its still all just speculation at this stage.
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I think a lot of credit is given to the owners for the progress made in off the field growth. This has been helped though by 4 years CL money including £100m for reaching the final. The credit for that goes to Pochettino, given that he reached that final in June 2019 having not had a signing sanctioned since January 2018.
The raising of expectations football wise is also down to him given that he was working on a net spend of £20m a season (at best) during his tenure and took us up to 2nd/3rd PL consistently. Hand the reigns to less capable managers either side of him ie AVB and Mourinho, and it’s back to 6th place we go. I give little credit to the owners for the footballing expectations being raised, because it’s a fact that Poch was their 3rd choice and they got lucky, and it’s a fact that they didn’t exactly seize the opportunity to back him when we were on the verge of major honours (ditto Redknapp).
Financially and commercially ENIC have done an excellent job, they make owners of similar sized clubs such as Everton, Villa, Leeds etc look like rank amateurs. Even Arsenal to be honest. But they lack the ambition to push this club on to being a major player. The only way it’s gonna happen is through jammy recruitment, ie finding a manager that can put a top squad together on a budget and get them playing as a whole that’s greater than the sum of its parts. But as we saw with Poch, that is only sustainable for so long and will fade away without being supplemented by continued reinvestment. Levy doesn’t recognise that, his approach was ‘well it’s going well so we don’t need to invest’, but that’s the wrong strategy, that’s actually the best time to invest, and not doing so in the end only leads to stagnation followed by regression.
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You see there are 2 things here that really irk me.
"Levy got lucky as Poch was 3rd choice". Firstly, may be we would have done better under our 1st and 2nd choices. May be our 3rd choice, who won nothing, was 3rd for a reason.
Fans seem very confused. Highly critical of our owners as we have won nothing but also highly critical of our owners for sacking Poch who won nothing. I can think of 1 final and 2 SF under Poch where we simply did not turn up and/or Poch made suspect team choices.
Fact is, Poch was 3rd on the list, it was not Luck that we appointed him because he was on the list and the owners took that risk.
People also need to accept that we are run as a business, not a play thing with an open cheque from the owners. In this respect ENIC have had us back punching at our weight. Europe for 15 years after none for about the same period of time.. We site behind the elite clubs with their greater wealth. We cannot expect to compete with them, we can hope. Whatever our net spend is it is what we can afford.
What we need to do to be competitive is to have everything right. The structures, the manager & coaching the recruitment. Then we may be able to punch above our weight.
This is where ENIC/Levy have failed because we have lurched from one setup to another. Some managerial appointments have been disasters (although we are not alone in this, every club does it!), others have been perfect at that time.
For me its the recruitment that has failed us. A lack of long term planning and some poor transfer choices. Our windows with no deals ultimately cost us as our squad tired and aged, but this was not due to lack of funds. Yes there were restrictions as we were building NWHL, but Poch notoriously did not want loan deals and also rejected a number signings, preferring to save his budget for bigger and better in the future.
That was his choice and it was super unfortunate that at the time when we needed to manage the squad well, the stadium limited our ability to do so.
So some of it is out of the owners control, some of it the managers decision and some of it just poor squad management & recruitment.
To lay everything at the door of Levy/ENIC is not justified. Many factors influence the ebb and flow of a clubs fortunes.
The second thing is ambition. Where we do not have unlimited resources, ambition has to be tainted with realism. Every fan could say "why don't our owners spend £250m to make us competitive" and the reality is that it is just a tiny tiny minority who have the ability to spend way beyond their means without any risk. Spurs are like almost every other club, we spend what we can afford from money we generate. Even Utd and Liverpool act in this way. Liverpool almost went bust chasing glory.
People want us to buy success, it aint happening! and so they call this a lack of ambition. The ambition has to be demonstrated in the way we give ourselves the very best chance of success in the way we operate, not how much we spend. Leicester are a great example IMO, brilliantly structured club, very well run, excellent recruitment. The right people in the right positions, not massive spending and they punch above their financial weight.
This is what we need to aspire to do (and at times we have been spot on with this) and then we stand a chance of competing at the top as our financial position is now closer to the elite clubs than it historically was.
Taking some footballing decisions out of Levy's hands is the right start. I hope the next managerial appointment comes with a clear vision and plan.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
Let's get this right. The only reason we are unsatisfied with the Fonseca appointment is because of the progression Poch gave us. Sure, off-field business acquisitions, stadiums, training ground and sponsorship have been more in line with the larger clubs for which Levy and the owners do deserve credit but the sole reason for our flirtation with Conte, widely considered to be one of the best managers in world football today, is still down to the platform and awareness Poch provided us with. You can't get close to resigning Poch, then Conte, then Ten Hag and drop right down to someone like Fonseca. You just can't. It's not just the appointment. It's the constant 'downsizing' of choices. If this goes on for another 50 days, I'm expecting Barry Fry to walk through the door.
Fonseca is underwhelming anyway based on his record but when you add in the backdrop of top managers we've allegedly tried to acquire, this stinks even more.
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Poch was third choice apparently......did that decision stink?. You think Fonseca's record sucks, it smashes Poch's pre-Spurs record out of the park.
I agree underwhelming but you've judged him already based on little more than his CV not being as good as some other candidates.
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posted on 11/6/21
"depends a lot on his fullbacks"!!
YUP...this guy should not come to Tottenham without very cast iron assurances from Levy about the whole back line, and replacements for Kane an d probably Son.
posted on 11/6/21
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posted on 11/6/21
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
posted on 11/6/21
Can’t, not can.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 3 minutes ago
Lopetegui now being linked by Spanish press, rumours of THFC board concern at fan reaction to Fonseca. All hearsay of course, Fonseca remains 1/10’for the job and the more I’ve read about him the more accepting I am of it, without being bowled over. Main concerns are he isn’t renowned for his defensive coaching abilities and our defence already stinks. Scoring isn’t the issue, not giving away cheap goals most definitely is. Although the scoring thing will change soon enough if Kane goes, his goal contributions will be almost impossible to replace on our reported budget of fack all. If Paratici is advising Fonseca then that’s who we should get - why bring in a DoF then overrule his first major decision, he’ll just walk.
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You sure about that Ace? I think the article you’re talking about was discovered to be a rehash of a Duncan Castles story from 2 days ago, before we were even linked to Fonseca.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
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Mr Doom and Gloom is here.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
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Mr Doom and Gloom is here.
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Imagine how Arsenal feel
posted on 11/6/21
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 7 hours, 40 minutes ago
"depends a lot on his fullbacks"!!
YUP...this guy should not come to Tottenham without very cast iron assurances from Levy about the whole back line, and replacements for Kane an d probably Son.
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I'm hoping this is why we signed Paratici. He has a lot of work
posted on 11/6/21
Honestly some of our fans are pathetic!
The reaction with Fonseca being linked was pathetic. Some fans don't even know anything about the attenuating circumstances at Roma, with players over 35 years old playing, which is why Roma struggled, but footballing wise, Roma actually played some of the best footballs in Europe!
Yes, our fans need to temper their expectations a bit. We are not the glory hunters FC, like Chelsea who can promise £60m+ players to managers to attract.
Fonseca is like I said before one of the candidates, and not yet signed and yet some fans on here are throwing their toys out of the pram already!
posted on 11/6/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
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How ironic!
posted on 11/6/21
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 40 minutes ago
Honestly some of our fans are pathetic!
The reaction with Fonseca being linked was pathetic. Some fans don't even know anything about the attenuating circumstances at Roma, with players over 35 years old playing, which is why Roma struggled, but footballing wise, Roma actually played some of the best footballs in Europe!
Yes, our fans need to temper their expectations a bit. We are not the glory hunters FC, like Chelsea who can promise £60m+ players to managers to attract.
Fonseca is like I said before one of the candidates, and not yet signed and yet some fans on here are throwing their toys out of the pram already!
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Some people are just happy to plod along in life. I've got no issue with that. Some people have got a bit more aspiration and may want to aim a little bit higher.
If every fan took the attitude of the need to temper expectations and were quite happy just to float about like a jellyfish the club would do the same. The board need a bit of pressure from the fans so they don't get complacent.
We've got the foundation to become an elite club over the next 5 years, we now need owners to match that ambition. Let's hope Levy's true to his word.
posted on 11/6/21
Whilst not an exciting appointment, we have to give the guy a chance. Myself and a few others were a bit sceptical of Poch at first and look how that worked out.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
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Mr Doom and Gloom is here.
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Imagine how Arsenal feel
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fack them though
and they still know that they can win trophies being chit at least, we cant even win them being good
posted on 11/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 40 minutes ago
Honestly some of our fans are pathetic!
The reaction with Fonseca being linked was pathetic. Some fans don't even know anything about the attenuating circumstances at Roma, with players over 35 years old playing, which is why Roma struggled, but footballing wise, Roma actually played some of the best footballs in Europe!
Yes, our fans need to temper their expectations a bit. We are not the glory hunters FC, like Chelsea who can promise £60m+ players to managers to attract.
Fonseca is like I said before one of the candidates, and not yet signed and yet some fans on here are throwing their toys out of the pram already!
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Some people are just happy to plod along in life. I've got no issue with that. Some people have got a bit more aspiration and may want to aim a little bit higher.
If every fan took the attitude of the need to temper expectations and were quite happy just to float about like a jellyfish the club would do the same. The board need a bit of pressure from the fans so they don't get complacent.
We've got the foundation to become an elite club over the next 5 years, we now need owners to match that ambition. Let's hope Levy's true to his word.
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What foundations to become ?
Stadium, maybe?
Players : not really.
Other than Kane and Son, we have only deadwoods and players who can't even show any kind of fitness levels to last in games?
We are not Spurs that was under Poch 2015-17 seasons, mate
Wake up. This team isn't that good anymore. We need a rebuild from scratch and that's why Kane leaving is understandable.
posted on 11/6/21
His attacking style would suit our players just we need to sign top defenders to support that
posted on 11/6/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 3 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
Who are those two little dweebs? 😂
Interesting video. I guess it could go either way but I think it’s worth listening to the army of Roma fans who are laughing at this appointment too. We can just listen to positive voices.
The truth is that it doesn’t really matter who we get in as there isn’t any dosh to play with anyway. It’s one of those wake me up in 5 years and hope for the best moments. Nothing of significance will happen at Spurs for many years now. Everton and West Ham are now our rivals. Welcome to 2005. That’s how far we’ve regressed.
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Maybe, just maybe, Sandy, a lot of us fans, virtually all of us were happy for 5 years before people like yourself were constantly screaming at Dan's door to get shot of Poch. Now look at us.
You wanted this.
So yeah, damn right I'm angry. Doom and gloom? Get real. Whilst the rest of us were enjoying the sunshine under Poch, you were the only one stuck under a cloud. Mr positive? Mr feckin' hypocrisy.
Pre-empting the usual 'get over Poch' response from yourself now, which is your usual diatribe when you realise your wrong.
Ta ta
posted on 11/6/21
you're
posted on 11/6/21
We'll be ok under Fonseca
There are better options available but that doesn't mean he's a disaster - the initial reaction from some posters was pretty embarrassing.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
We'll be ok under Fonseca
There are better options available but that doesn't mean he's a disaster - the initial reaction from some posters was pretty embarrassing.
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The worry is that like Jose, some fans are almost hoping he fails so they can be angry again at the owners.
On the flip side if he's a succeas then it will be "Levy got lucky as he was 5th choice".
it's a sad state of affairs that many cannot park their OTT hatred of the owners. Expectations are raised because of the progress made but no credit is given for that progress. When things return to normal.al our ability to challenge will also improve as our finances are now much stronger.
This appointment is key though. Fonseca to me seems like a bit of middle ground. Not a back to basics rebuild kinda guy, and not a high profile pedigree instant impact type. I can understand why many may be underwhelmed but its still all just speculation at this stage.
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We don`t need a rebuild from scratch, put a competent defensive unit and a top class CM into our team and we will have a great team. We will always score plenty of goals and we have great attacking players, it is the individual defensive errors and failure to dominate central midfield that lets us down.
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Let's get this right. The only reason we are unsatisfied with the Fonseca appointment is because of the progression Poch gave us. Sure, off-field business acquisitions, stadiums, training ground and sponsorship have been more in line with the larger clubs for which Levy and the owners do deserve credit but the sole reason for our flirtation with Conte, widely considered to be one of the best managers in world football today, is still down to the platform and awareness Poch provided us with. You can't get close to resigning Poch, then Conte, then Ten Hag and drop right down to someone like Fonseca. You just can't. It's not just the appointment. It's the constant 'downsizing' of choices. If this goes on for another 50 days, I'm expecting Barry Fry to walk through the door.
Fonseca is underwhelming anyway based on his record but when you add in the backdrop of top managers we've allegedly tried to acquire, this stinks even more.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
We'll be ok under Fonseca
There are better options available but that doesn't mean he's a disaster - the initial reaction from some posters was pretty embarrassing.
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The worry is that like Jose, some fans are almost hoping he fails so they can be angry again at the owners.
On the flip side if he's a succeas then it will be "Levy got lucky as he was 5th choice".
it's a sad state of affairs that many cannot park their OTT hatred of the owners. Expectations are raised because of the progress made but no credit is given for that progress. When things return to normal.al our ability to challenge will also improve as our finances are now much stronger.
This appointment is key though. Fonseca to me seems like a bit of middle ground. Not a back to basics rebuild kinda guy, and not a high profile pedigree instant impact type. I can understand why many may be underwhelmed but its still all just speculation at this stage.
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I think a lot of credit is given to the owners for the progress made in off the field growth. This has been helped though by 4 years CL money including £100m for reaching the final. The credit for that goes to Pochettino, given that he reached that final in June 2019 having not had a signing sanctioned since January 2018.
The raising of expectations football wise is also down to him given that he was working on a net spend of £20m a season (at best) during his tenure and took us up to 2nd/3rd PL consistently. Hand the reigns to less capable managers either side of him ie AVB and Mourinho, and it’s back to 6th place we go. I give little credit to the owners for the footballing expectations being raised, because it’s a fact that Poch was their 3rd choice and they got lucky, and it’s a fact that they didn’t exactly seize the opportunity to back him when we were on the verge of major honours (ditto Redknapp).
Financially and commercially ENIC have done an excellent job, they make owners of similar sized clubs such as Everton, Villa, Leeds etc look like rank amateurs. Even Arsenal to be honest. But they lack the ambition to push this club on to being a major player. The only way it’s gonna happen is through jammy recruitment, ie finding a manager that can put a top squad together on a budget and get them playing as a whole that’s greater than the sum of its parts. But as we saw with Poch, that is only sustainable for so long and will fade away without being supplemented by continued reinvestment. Levy doesn’t recognise that, his approach was ‘well it’s going well so we don’t need to invest’, but that’s the wrong strategy, that’s actually the best time to invest, and not doing so in the end only leads to stagnation followed by regression.
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You see there are 2 things here that really irk me.
"Levy got lucky as Poch was 3rd choice". Firstly, may be we would have done better under our 1st and 2nd choices. May be our 3rd choice, who won nothing, was 3rd for a reason.
Fans seem very confused. Highly critical of our owners as we have won nothing but also highly critical of our owners for sacking Poch who won nothing. I can think of 1 final and 2 SF under Poch where we simply did not turn up and/or Poch made suspect team choices.
Fact is, Poch was 3rd on the list, it was not Luck that we appointed him because he was on the list and the owners took that risk.
People also need to accept that we are run as a business, not a play thing with an open cheque from the owners. In this respect ENIC have had us back punching at our weight. Europe for 15 years after none for about the same period of time.. We site behind the elite clubs with their greater wealth. We cannot expect to compete with them, we can hope. Whatever our net spend is it is what we can afford.
What we need to do to be competitive is to have everything right. The structures, the manager & coaching the recruitment. Then we may be able to punch above our weight.
This is where ENIC/Levy have failed because we have lurched from one setup to another. Some managerial appointments have been disasters (although we are not alone in this, every club does it!), others have been perfect at that time.
For me its the recruitment that has failed us. A lack of long term planning and some poor transfer choices. Our windows with no deals ultimately cost us as our squad tired and aged, but this was not due to lack of funds. Yes there were restrictions as we were building NWHL, but Poch notoriously did not want loan deals and also rejected a number signings, preferring to save his budget for bigger and better in the future.
That was his choice and it was super unfortunate that at the time when we needed to manage the squad well, the stadium limited our ability to do so.
So some of it is out of the owners control, some of it the managers decision and some of it just poor squad management & recruitment.
To lay everything at the door of Levy/ENIC is not justified. Many factors influence the ebb and flow of a clubs fortunes.
The second thing is ambition. Where we do not have unlimited resources, ambition has to be tainted with realism. Every fan could say "why don't our owners spend £250m to make us competitive" and the reality is that it is just a tiny tiny minority who have the ability to spend way beyond their means without any risk. Spurs are like almost every other club, we spend what we can afford from money we generate. Even Utd and Liverpool act in this way. Liverpool almost went bust chasing glory.
People want us to buy success, it aint happening! and so they call this a lack of ambition. The ambition has to be demonstrated in the way we give ourselves the very best chance of success in the way we operate, not how much we spend. Leicester are a great example IMO, brilliantly structured club, very well run, excellent recruitment. The right people in the right positions, not massive spending and they punch above their financial weight.
This is what we need to aspire to do (and at times we have been spot on with this) and then we stand a chance of competing at the top as our financial position is now closer to the elite clubs than it historically was.
Taking some footballing decisions out of Levy's hands is the right start. I hope the next managerial appointment comes with a clear vision and plan.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
Let's get this right. The only reason we are unsatisfied with the Fonseca appointment is because of the progression Poch gave us. Sure, off-field business acquisitions, stadiums, training ground and sponsorship have been more in line with the larger clubs for which Levy and the owners do deserve credit but the sole reason for our flirtation with Conte, widely considered to be one of the best managers in world football today, is still down to the platform and awareness Poch provided us with. You can't get close to resigning Poch, then Conte, then Ten Hag and drop right down to someone like Fonseca. You just can't. It's not just the appointment. It's the constant 'downsizing' of choices. If this goes on for another 50 days, I'm expecting Barry Fry to walk through the door.
Fonseca is underwhelming anyway based on his record but when you add in the backdrop of top managers we've allegedly tried to acquire, this stinks even more.
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Poch was third choice apparently......did that decision stink?. You think Fonseca's record sucks, it smashes Poch's pre-Spurs record out of the park.
I agree underwhelming but you've judged him already based on little more than his CV not being as good as some other candidates.
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