100% vaccinated will stop it.
Let's just pray no variant will pop up that'll survive the vaccine
But I find comfort in that mRNA vaccines are quickly reengineered to deal with it
Soon flu will also have mRNA vaccine to deal with a wide spectrum of variants
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 3 minutes ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes no sense
The government have said one of the reasons for the delay is to give enough time for people to get their second jab. I don't know about everybody else but my second shot isn't until the end of August. I'm looking until Mid to late September before I've got a good chance of protection from the Indian variant according to the guidelines. I'm over 35 so that's a big group of people that won't be protected until then. Surely a month delay won't be long enough if their following those measures.
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 3 minutes ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes no sense
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does.
Hopefully it is just four weeks and it does seem like the best way to go about things at this stage, we do want to be cautious just to ensure there are no major complications that could derail the whole roadmap.
To be honest, I don't know why they didn't have the final stage of the roadmap once everybody has had both doses of the vaccine or have at least been offered it.
I also don't understand these people who have been all high and mighty about this latest development. It's not like they didn't know that this could have been a possibility.
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 1 hour ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
Trillions printed already and its led to hyper inflation
Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 1 hour ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
Trillions printed already and its led to hyper inflation
Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can everybody please stop saying "have went". It's vomit inducingly bad.
Hopefully just the four weeks. We're nearly there though, and things feel a lot more normal so another few weeks of this phase isn't disastrous.
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 1 hour ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
Trillions printed already and its led to hyper inflation
Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly this. Currency debasement can't continue indefinitely, the monetary system has been on life support for over a decade.
The Scamdemic gave the Rulers of the Universe on Wall Street enough reason to pump in another $10 trillion, but it's only a matter of time now before the whole house of cards collapses.
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 1 hour ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
Trillions printed already and its led to hyper inflation
Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can everybody please stop saying "have went". It's vomit inducingly bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The cold blooded murder of the English tongue!
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 1 hour ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
Trillions printed already and its led to hyper inflation
Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can everybody please stop saying "have went". It's vomit inducingly bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The cold blooded murder of the English tongue!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Loose instead of lose is another one that annoys
‘ Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months’
Shortage of raw materials usually shipped from the East is the major case of this. Add to that people sat around at home watching George Clarke and Homes Under The Hammer… it’s a perfect storm.
There’s no end in sight regards this either. Most European manufacturers are being forced to cut production of some of their less popular lines because of it too. I’m seeing companies that usually make small price increases - and sometimes even reductions - currently on their third sizeable price increase of the year.
It’s very worrying.
comment by Legacyton 125.2 (U8879)
posted 22 minutes ago
‘ Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months’
Shortage of raw materials usually shipped from the East is the major case of this. Add to that people sat around at home watching George Clarke and Homes Under The Hammer… it’s a perfect storm.
There’s no end in sight regards this either. Most European manufacturers are being forced to cut production of some of their less popular lines because of it too. I’m seeing companies that usually make small price increases - and sometimes even reductions - currently on their third sizeable price increase of the year.
It’s very worrying.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very concerning. Any idea by how much it's went up?
This isn't a result of just Covid though, this is also in part down to Brexit as well, as it's now nearly farcical to get things in and out via export because of Brexit. The extra costs and paperwork is ridiculous for some of the goods we end up bringing across.
It's going to rumble on indefinitely, we are allowing too much spread before people are vaccinated.
By the government's own figures/research two jabs of AZ is only 60% effective against delta (although that might be outdated now) and every time it jumps to another person there's a chance that it will mutate again, especially to get around existing immunity in its host.
At 60% efficacy you cannot achieve her immunity, even if everyone has two shots.
If this carries on at its current trajectory we won't be out and about till we have had a booster, and a new hybridised version will be around by then too.
The current death rate seems lowish at 43 for 10k "completed" cases, but only half were unvaccinated, if we use that rate as a benchmark to allow spread we are kicking a potentially very deadly can down the road.
If the increased mortality and vaccine evasion of Beta was to hybridise with the 60% increase transmission of Delta, which are both present here, along with the Alpha variant we could be in big trouble.
The more leaps person to person, the more mutations, the less effective the vaccines, the deadlier it will be, the worse we have to lockdown again.
I categorically want no further lockdowns, but not at the expense of people's lives, so we need to get it right, and ensure reasonable restrictions are maintained untill our bodies have a catalogue of antibodies to fight these mutations.
Container charges are a massive factor too. We’re simply importing way more from China than were exporting, so there is (was?) a shortage of containers to ship goods to Europe.
comment by Legacyton 125.2 (U8879)
posted 52 seconds ago
Container charges are a massive factor too. We’re simply importing way more from China than were exporting, so there is (was?) a shortage of containers to ship goods to Europe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hasn't the price of shipping containers gone up 10 fold. I don't profess to know a huge amount it but something called the Shanghai shipping index?
Isn't Brexit having an impact too? Getting containers back out the country has been a pain for importers, to the point they feel it's better to run empty trucks back over the border, and add it to the cost to the supplier.
My uncle has had to stop working because he couldn't get cement for two weeks, I would laugh, but he's self employed and his incomes down the pan for two weeks, and then he's going to have a backlog of work to complete
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's going to rumble on indefinitely, we are allowing too much spread before people are vaccinated.
By the government's own figures/research two jabs of AZ is only 60% effective against delta (although that might be outdated now) and every time it jumps to another person there's a chance that it will mutate again, especially to get around existing immunity in its host.
At 60% efficacy you cannot achieve her immunity, even if everyone has two shots.
If this carries on at its current trajectory we won't be out and about till we have had a booster, and a new hybridised version will be around by then too.
The current death rate seems lowish at 43 for 10k "completed" cases, but only half were unvaccinated, if we use that rate as a benchmark to allow spread we are kicking a potentially very deadly can down the road.
If the increased mortality and vaccine evasion of Beta was to hybridise with the 60% increase transmission of Delta, which are both present here, along with the Alpha variant we could be in big trouble.
The more leaps person to person, the more mutations, the less effective the vaccines, the deadlier it will be, the worse we have to lockdown again.
I categorically want no further lockdowns, but not at the expense of people's lives, so we need to get it right, and ensure reasonable restrictions are maintained untill our bodies have a catalogue of antibodies to fight these mutations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Trouble is, the impact on people has been absolutely enormous. I'd love to know the number of businesses lost to covid, it'll be an absolutely enormous number and we will be paying this off for generations.
It simply isn't working to just keep life on hold just hope that maybe the vaccine works.
Also 60% efficacy for the AZ vaccine against the Indian variant is not something I've read anywhere, any evidence to support that?
‘Isn't Brexit having an impact too?‘
It’s definitely still having an impact on transportation of goods, but I think - though I could be wrong - the major uplift in prices due to Brexit was felt in January. At least in the construction industry.
Last December was ridiculously badly handled by the government. Because of all the dithering, and leaving everything ‘til the last minute, even relatively small independent companies like mine were forced to find time for staff training for how to deal with becoming an importer of goods, only to eventually find it made more economic sense to simply outsource to a specialist.
We thought that would be the worst of it. Six months on, Brexit seems a doddle tbh.
The cost of shipping is ridiculous and their is still a massive shortage of containers in China. There seems to be some belief that China is struggling worse than we actually know, we are at sixes and sevens with goods inwards at the moment. Things arriving late, not arriving at all, part orders etc. Not all of this is down to China but what gets delivered certainly is and that's sometimes an unknown quantity.
Shipping to places like Ireland/Northern Ireland almost becomes obsolete for ourselves now as well for what it's worth.
The biggest issue is the ports in the UK though, Felixstowe in particularly has been in a state and then some.
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's going to rumble on indefinitely, we are allowing too much spread before people are vaccinated.
By the government's own figures/research two jabs of AZ is only 60% effective against delta (although that might be outdated now) and every time it jumps to another person there's a chance that it will mutate again, especially to get around existing immunity in its host.
At 60% efficacy you cannot achieve her immunity, even if everyone has two shots.
If this carries on at its current trajectory we won't be out and about till we have had a booster, and a new hybridised version will be around by then too.
The current death rate seems lowish at 43 for 10k "completed" cases, but only half were unvaccinated, if we use that rate as a benchmark to allow spread we are kicking a potentially very deadly can down the road.
If the increased mortality and vaccine evasion of Beta was to hybridise with the 60% increase transmission of Delta, which are both present here, along with the Alpha variant we could be in big trouble.
The more leaps person to person, the more mutations, the less effective the vaccines, the deadlier it will be, the worse we have to lockdown again.
I categorically want no further lockdowns, but not at the expense of people's lives, so we need to get it right, and ensure reasonable restrictions are maintained untill our bodies have a catalogue of antibodies to fight these mutations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Trouble is, the impact on people has been absolutely enormous. I'd love to know the number of businesses lost to covid, it'll be an absolutely enormous number and we will be paying this off for generations.
It simply isn't working to just keep life on hold just hope that maybe the vaccine works.
Also 60% efficacy for the AZ vaccine against the Indian variant is not something I've read anywhere, any evidence to support that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Government website, PHE data, just dug around for 10 mins for this you baaaastard , knew I had posted it on the current events thread:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-b-1-617-2-variant-after-2-doses
Incidentally, everyone brings up businesses (many of which were going to the wall due to Amazon/wetherspoons/death of the high street/Brexit anyway)
But how many lives are worth a business so to speak? You aren't even saying, yeah 30k might die, you are talking about rampancy, higher environmental infection means higher viral load, which has the same effect on outcomes as age.
It's more mutations, both less deadly, and more, and more vaccine resistant because we have gone too early.. we should have waited for herd immunity, we lost 12 months of hard work thanks to impatience.
I'll tell you what else is bad for an economy, a hundred thousand dead, there's actually a greater link globally between economic damage and number of deaths than there is between economic damage and severity of restrictions.. why? Because people still spent as much as ever, online.
comment by Legacyton 125.2 (U8879)
posted 25 minutes ago
‘Isn't Brexit having an impact too?‘
It’s definitely still having an impact on transportation of goods, but I think - though I could be wrong - the major uplift in prices due to Brexit was felt in January. At least in the construction industry.
Last December was ridiculously badly handled by the government. Because of all the dithering, and leaving everything ‘til the last minute, even relatively small independent companies like mine were forced to find time for staff training for how to deal with becoming an importer of goods, only to eventually find it made more economic sense to simply outsource to a specialist.
We thought that would be the worst of it. Six months on, Brexit seems a doddle tbh.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My friends partner works for a shipping company scheduling lorries and she's still complaining constantly about the impact of Brexit on her workload, and just how hard they are finding it to get reasonable shipping rates to the mainland.
My brother also works for a company that repairs mercedes Lorries and they have oddly lost a lot of custom to France, with haulers finding it cheaper to get their lorries fixed in France than here due to the inflated cost of parts.
Madness everywhere we look
Just your average fan -
What industry are you involved in re import / export?
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posted on 14/6/21
100% vaccinated will stop it.
Let's just pray no variant will pop up that'll survive the vaccine
But I find comfort in that mRNA vaccines are quickly reengineered to deal with it
Soon flu will also have mRNA vaccine to deal with a wide spectrum of variants
posted on 14/6/21
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
posted on 14/6/21
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 3 minutes ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes no sense
posted on 14/6/21
The government have said one of the reasons for the delay is to give enough time for people to get their second jab. I don't know about everybody else but my second shot isn't until the end of August. I'm looking until Mid to late September before I've got a good chance of protection from the Indian variant according to the guidelines. I'm over 35 so that's a big group of people that won't be protected until then. Surely a month delay won't be long enough if their following those measures.
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 3 minutes ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes no sense
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does.
posted on 14/6/21
Hopefully it is just four weeks and it does seem like the best way to go about things at this stage, we do want to be cautious just to ensure there are no major complications that could derail the whole roadmap.
To be honest, I don't know why they didn't have the final stage of the roadmap once everybody has had both doses of the vaccine or have at least been offered it.
I also don't understand these people who have been all high and mighty about this latest development. It's not like they didn't know that this could have been a possibility.
posted on 14/6/21
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 1 hour ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
Trillions printed already and its led to hyper inflation
Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 1 hour ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
Trillions printed already and its led to hyper inflation
Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can everybody please stop saying "have went". It's vomit inducingly bad.
posted on 14/6/21
Hopefully just the four weeks. We're nearly there though, and things feel a lot more normal so another few weeks of this phase isn't disastrous.
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 1 hour ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
Trillions printed already and its led to hyper inflation
Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly this. Currency debasement can't continue indefinitely, the monetary system has been on life support for over a decade.
The Scamdemic gave the Rulers of the Universe on Wall Street enough reason to pump in another $10 trillion, but it's only a matter of time now before the whole house of cards collapses.
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 1 hour ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
Trillions printed already and its led to hyper inflation
Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can everybody please stop saying "have went". It's vomit inducingly bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The cold blooded murder of the English tongue!
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountry (U22512)
posted 1 hour ago
This is definitely going to rumble on and on.
The Powers That Be need a reason to continue with the money printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
Trillions printed already and its led to hyper inflation
Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can everybody please stop saying "have went". It's vomit inducingly bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The cold blooded murder of the English tongue!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Loose instead of lose is another one that annoys
posted on 14/6/21
‘ Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months’
Shortage of raw materials usually shipped from the East is the major case of this. Add to that people sat around at home watching George Clarke and Homes Under The Hammer… it’s a perfect storm.
There’s no end in sight regards this either. Most European manufacturers are being forced to cut production of some of their less popular lines because of it too. I’m seeing companies that usually make small price increases - and sometimes even reductions - currently on their third sizeable price increase of the year.
It’s very worrying.
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Legacyton 125.2 (U8879)
posted 22 minutes ago
‘ Construction materials and labour have went up 20 percent in six months’
Shortage of raw materials usually shipped from the East is the major case of this. Add to that people sat around at home watching George Clarke and Homes Under The Hammer… it’s a perfect storm.
There’s no end in sight regards this either. Most European manufacturers are being forced to cut production of some of their less popular lines because of it too. I’m seeing companies that usually make small price increases - and sometimes even reductions - currently on their third sizeable price increase of the year.
It’s very worrying.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very concerning. Any idea by how much it's went up?
posted on 14/6/21
This isn't a result of just Covid though, this is also in part down to Brexit as well, as it's now nearly farcical to get things in and out via export because of Brexit. The extra costs and paperwork is ridiculous for some of the goods we end up bringing across.
posted on 14/6/21
It's going to rumble on indefinitely, we are allowing too much spread before people are vaccinated.
By the government's own figures/research two jabs of AZ is only 60% effective against delta (although that might be outdated now) and every time it jumps to another person there's a chance that it will mutate again, especially to get around existing immunity in its host.
At 60% efficacy you cannot achieve her immunity, even if everyone has two shots.
If this carries on at its current trajectory we won't be out and about till we have had a booster, and a new hybridised version will be around by then too.
The current death rate seems lowish at 43 for 10k "completed" cases, but only half were unvaccinated, if we use that rate as a benchmark to allow spread we are kicking a potentially very deadly can down the road.
If the increased mortality and vaccine evasion of Beta was to hybridise with the 60% increase transmission of Delta, which are both present here, along with the Alpha variant we could be in big trouble.
The more leaps person to person, the more mutations, the less effective the vaccines, the deadlier it will be, the worse we have to lockdown again.
I categorically want no further lockdowns, but not at the expense of people's lives, so we need to get it right, and ensure reasonable restrictions are maintained untill our bodies have a catalogue of antibodies to fight these mutations.
posted on 14/6/21
Container charges are a massive factor too. We’re simply importing way more from China than were exporting, so there is (was?) a shortage of containers to ship goods to Europe.
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Legacyton 125.2 (U8879)
posted 52 seconds ago
Container charges are a massive factor too. We’re simply importing way more from China than were exporting, so there is (was?) a shortage of containers to ship goods to Europe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hasn't the price of shipping containers gone up 10 fold. I don't profess to know a huge amount it but something called the Shanghai shipping index?
posted on 14/6/21
Isn't Brexit having an impact too? Getting containers back out the country has been a pain for importers, to the point they feel it's better to run empty trucks back over the border, and add it to the cost to the supplier.
My uncle has had to stop working because he couldn't get cement for two weeks, I would laugh, but he's self employed and his incomes down the pan for two weeks, and then he's going to have a backlog of work to complete
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's going to rumble on indefinitely, we are allowing too much spread before people are vaccinated.
By the government's own figures/research two jabs of AZ is only 60% effective against delta (although that might be outdated now) and every time it jumps to another person there's a chance that it will mutate again, especially to get around existing immunity in its host.
At 60% efficacy you cannot achieve her immunity, even if everyone has two shots.
If this carries on at its current trajectory we won't be out and about till we have had a booster, and a new hybridised version will be around by then too.
The current death rate seems lowish at 43 for 10k "completed" cases, but only half were unvaccinated, if we use that rate as a benchmark to allow spread we are kicking a potentially very deadly can down the road.
If the increased mortality and vaccine evasion of Beta was to hybridise with the 60% increase transmission of Delta, which are both present here, along with the Alpha variant we could be in big trouble.
The more leaps person to person, the more mutations, the less effective the vaccines, the deadlier it will be, the worse we have to lockdown again.
I categorically want no further lockdowns, but not at the expense of people's lives, so we need to get it right, and ensure reasonable restrictions are maintained untill our bodies have a catalogue of antibodies to fight these mutations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Trouble is, the impact on people has been absolutely enormous. I'd love to know the number of businesses lost to covid, it'll be an absolutely enormous number and we will be paying this off for generations.
It simply isn't working to just keep life on hold just hope that maybe the vaccine works.
Also 60% efficacy for the AZ vaccine against the Indian variant is not something I've read anywhere, any evidence to support that?
posted on 14/6/21
‘Isn't Brexit having an impact too?‘
It’s definitely still having an impact on transportation of goods, but I think - though I could be wrong - the major uplift in prices due to Brexit was felt in January. At least in the construction industry.
Last December was ridiculously badly handled by the government. Because of all the dithering, and leaving everything ‘til the last minute, even relatively small independent companies like mine were forced to find time for staff training for how to deal with becoming an importer of goods, only to eventually find it made more economic sense to simply outsource to a specialist.
We thought that would be the worst of it. Six months on, Brexit seems a doddle tbh.
posted on 14/6/21
The cost of shipping is ridiculous and their is still a massive shortage of containers in China. There seems to be some belief that China is struggling worse than we actually know, we are at sixes and sevens with goods inwards at the moment. Things arriving late, not arriving at all, part orders etc. Not all of this is down to China but what gets delivered certainly is and that's sometimes an unknown quantity.
Shipping to places like Ireland/Northern Ireland almost becomes obsolete for ourselves now as well for what it's worth.
The biggest issue is the ports in the UK though, Felixstowe in particularly has been in a state and then some.
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's going to rumble on indefinitely, we are allowing too much spread before people are vaccinated.
By the government's own figures/research two jabs of AZ is only 60% effective against delta (although that might be outdated now) and every time it jumps to another person there's a chance that it will mutate again, especially to get around existing immunity in its host.
At 60% efficacy you cannot achieve her immunity, even if everyone has two shots.
If this carries on at its current trajectory we won't be out and about till we have had a booster, and a new hybridised version will be around by then too.
The current death rate seems lowish at 43 for 10k "completed" cases, but only half were unvaccinated, if we use that rate as a benchmark to allow spread we are kicking a potentially very deadly can down the road.
If the increased mortality and vaccine evasion of Beta was to hybridise with the 60% increase transmission of Delta, which are both present here, along with the Alpha variant we could be in big trouble.
The more leaps person to person, the more mutations, the less effective the vaccines, the deadlier it will be, the worse we have to lockdown again.
I categorically want no further lockdowns, but not at the expense of people's lives, so we need to get it right, and ensure reasonable restrictions are maintained untill our bodies have a catalogue of antibodies to fight these mutations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Trouble is, the impact on people has been absolutely enormous. I'd love to know the number of businesses lost to covid, it'll be an absolutely enormous number and we will be paying this off for generations.
It simply isn't working to just keep life on hold just hope that maybe the vaccine works.
Also 60% efficacy for the AZ vaccine against the Indian variant is not something I've read anywhere, any evidence to support that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Government website, PHE data, just dug around for 10 mins for this you baaaastard , knew I had posted it on the current events thread:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-b-1-617-2-variant-after-2-doses
Incidentally, everyone brings up businesses (many of which were going to the wall due to Amazon/wetherspoons/death of the high street/Brexit anyway)
But how many lives are worth a business so to speak? You aren't even saying, yeah 30k might die, you are talking about rampancy, higher environmental infection means higher viral load, which has the same effect on outcomes as age.
It's more mutations, both less deadly, and more, and more vaccine resistant because we have gone too early.. we should have waited for herd immunity, we lost 12 months of hard work thanks to impatience.
I'll tell you what else is bad for an economy, a hundred thousand dead, there's actually a greater link globally between economic damage and number of deaths than there is between economic damage and severity of restrictions.. why? Because people still spent as much as ever, online.
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Legacyton 125.2 (U8879)
posted 25 minutes ago
‘Isn't Brexit having an impact too?‘
It’s definitely still having an impact on transportation of goods, but I think - though I could be wrong - the major uplift in prices due to Brexit was felt in January. At least in the construction industry.
Last December was ridiculously badly handled by the government. Because of all the dithering, and leaving everything ‘til the last minute, even relatively small independent companies like mine were forced to find time for staff training for how to deal with becoming an importer of goods, only to eventually find it made more economic sense to simply outsource to a specialist.
We thought that would be the worst of it. Six months on, Brexit seems a doddle tbh.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My friends partner works for a shipping company scheduling lorries and she's still complaining constantly about the impact of Brexit on her workload, and just how hard they are finding it to get reasonable shipping rates to the mainland.
My brother also works for a company that repairs mercedes Lorries and they have oddly lost a lot of custom to France, with haulers finding it cheaper to get their lorries fixed in France than here due to the inflated cost of parts.
Madness everywhere we look
posted on 14/6/21
Just your average fan -
What industry are you involved in re import / export?
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