Can't really argue with that. It's what we all have been saying. This from an ex player who will know exactly how they club is run and how the SLT work.
Jenas is 100% spot on, he can see what most of us can see, unfortunately ENIC will not change, so we are stuck with this misery for the foreseeable. Our only hope is for them to sell up and hand it over to somebody with the ambition to make us winners.
I dunno, I think this narrative is lazy. We do spend money. We've got a few on or around 200k a week. We spent big money on Ndombele, Lo Celso..
The issue is spending big money in the wrong places. Sanchez 40m, Sessegnon for 30m who clearly wasn't ready. Hopefully this DoF works out better than the others.
"Whilst Jenas continually reserved praise for Daniel Levy’s ability to provide the club with a world-class playing facility, he wants to see far more ambition in the transfer market going forwards."
Yes yes yes...how many times have we heard that!
And the club is landed with a huge mortgage debt!
And then this......
"“They let Bruno Fernandes go to Manchester United, he could have been a Spurs player if they had gone a bit deeper. There are loads of situations like that."
Oh yes and Levy didn't just let him go to ManU .......h went and bought the wrong Fernandes.
Jenas is saying nothing new. There is only one solution ...and I won't even bother to mention it again!
Playing to the gallery. I'm hoping paratici as GM of football can refocus our mindset on recruitment. Mot buying to make money but buying to win
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 42 minutes ago
ENIC need to sell up.
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Cant see this happening for at least 2 years. They'll need to get the finances back up to an attractive level in terms of cash inflows.
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 42 minutes ago
ENIC need to sell up.
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Cant see this happening for at least 2 years. They'll need to get the finances back up to an attractive level in terms of cash inflows.
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comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 42 minutes ago
ENIC need to sell up.
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Cant see this happening for at least 2 years. They'll need to get the finances back up to an attractive level in terms of cash inflows.
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Yes they will. They invested in the infrastructure for a reason.
Jenas, just another ex footballer who has now become a pundit giving an opinion. Is it any more credible than say Shearer constantly saying Harry Kane has to move away from Spurs.
I don`t take to much notice of any pundit, they are entitled to a view, but they can quite easily be contracted by somebody who is working at Spurs right now. Jenus to my knowledge has not had anything major to do with Spurs for years, other than coming back as a Pundit. Players like Cliff Jones, Mickey Hazard, Graham Roberts, etc probably know more than Jenus about the inner workings of Spurs right now.
Unfortunately money doesn't grow on trees and you've spent a hell of a lot on players like Ndombele, Sanchez, Sessegnon etc, you've knocked down and then built a new multimillion pound stadium which is quite obviously a huge cost against the club as well as the pandemic that nobody could foresee.
Ultimately you spent a lot of money on the wrong players at a time where you could have gone and got others, that was just bad transfer activity. Jenas seems to be talking as if there is just a bottomless pit of money, "they could have gone deeper for Fernandes", for example. Could they? What happens if you "went deeper" for Ndombele for example which set you back? These are things that he does not know and nobody outside the four walls of the club knows.
You are not a direct comparison to Arsenal of a decade or so ago when they moved to the Emirates, but I wouldn't be expecting to splash the cash if I was a Spurs fan. Maybe that's why you have appointed a new DoF and Foncesca seems to be the man to take charge. A restructure in your transfer strategy to try and pick up a few gems.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 45 minutes ago
Jenas, just another ex footballer who has now become a pundit giving an opinion. Is it any more credible than say Shearer constantly saying Harry Kane has to move away from Spurs.
I don`t take to much notice of any pundit, they are entitled to a view, but they can quite easily be contracted by somebody who is working at Spurs right now. Jenus to my knowledge has not had anything major to do with Spurs for years, other than coming back as a Pundit. Players like Cliff Jones, Mickey Hazard, Graham Roberts, etc probably know more than Jenus about the inner workings of Spurs right now.
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Or maybe JJ being a recently retired ex player will still have contact with staff and players at the club. You’re so predictable Sandy, always making out that things were better in your make believe older days & that modern players don’t compare.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 32 minutes ago
Unfortunately money doesn't grow on trees and you've spent a hell of a lot on players like Ndombele, Sanchez, Sessegnon etc, you've knocked down and then built a new multimillion pound stadium which is quite obviously a huge cost against the club as well as the pandemic that nobody could foresee.
Ultimately you spent a lot of money on the wrong players at a time where you could have gone and got others, that was just bad transfer activity. Jenas seems to be talking as if there is just a bottomless pit of money, "they could have gone deeper for Fernandes", for example. Could they? What happens if you "went deeper" for Ndombele for example which set you back? These are things that he does not know and nobody outside the four walls of the club knows.
You are not a direct comparison to Arsenal of a decade or so ago when they moved to the Emirates, but I wouldn't be expecting to splash the cash if I was a Spurs fan. Maybe that's why you have appointed a new DoF and Foncesca seems to be the man to take charge. A restructure in your transfer strategy to try and pick up a few gems.
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Good post mate. I think our supporters need to get more realistic to how much money will be available. A lot of money has been spent over the past couple of seasons, not as much as say City or Chelsea spend, but all the same quite a bit. And as you say just been spent that wisely.
My frustrations with our ownership is the unwillingness to speculate to accumulate. I am not talking £250 splurge, just some quality where its needed. If we had gone big on a CB last summer then who knows where we'd be right now.....may be in the UCL which would have paid for the CB easily. We could not afford it so we end up with Rodon who has potential but this does not move us forward.
The logic at times seems very simple. Spend £45m on that Inter defender instead of £11m on Rodon. We get top 4 and this season earn £50m-£80m from it.
The trouble is that there is a long list of £40m+ players who have not delivered and made the desired impact and we have had our fair share of these. Levy certainly got his fingers burnt with the Bale 7 and now acts with even greater caution, that caution ramped up further by the stadium debt and now covid (understandably)
I do not believe ENIC/Levy take money from the club (other than his wages) and everything we earn is reinvested. I also believe that almost every owner, bar may be 2 in this league acts in the exact same way. but all with differing levels of budget.
Jenas is right about the need for a rethink. Buying potential and young only gets you so far. We need to make selective big purchases to move us forward , other wise we are just sat here waiting for the Rodons and Tanganga's of the squad to come good and they may never do so.
I suspect the stadium will allow us to operate in this way and we saw the start of it with some expensive signings in 2019/20. Coupled with this there seems to be a problem with our scouting and recruitment. People like Ndombele are quality but he really does not seem suited to this league. Doherty a very decent RWB at Wolves but we needed a RB. Sisokko purchased off the back of a decent World Cup.
Hopefully the DoF will bring greater focus to our recruitment and when the cash registers in the stadium finally start to ring, then we will have plenty of money to spend.
It's the transfer strategy that is the problem.
You have a budget and identify 4 'A' players to buy. If you end up achieving two of your targets, buy a 'B' player as the 3rd and use a youth player as the 4th temporary for one season then fine. (You never know what a youth player ends up doing).
Instead Levy's Strategy is to attempt to buy 4 'A' players and haggle all their prices. End up buying 4 'B' players, making the squad more average and blocking the pathway to youth progressing. Then when it comes to selling players it is difficult to then get rid.
If Levy had paid the money to sign Dias last summer we would of easily got top 4, it’s frustrating
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 35 minutes ago
If Levy had paid the money to sign Dias last summer we would of easily got top 4, it’s frustrating
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You always have to take the other view though.
Did the club have that money to spend on one player? Maybe there were 2/3 players you wanted with an £80m budget for example. You also probably didn't even have that much available to you.
In Levy's defence, he can point to the Sanchez signing and say, £42m for this player and it hasn't worked out, so why would we now go and spend £50m+ on this guy here? From my point of view, it would take some convincing. We all know how good Dias is now, but I, like probably many others, were not sure how good he was before he moved to City and if he would adapt to the league along with other factors.
It's a tough position for yourselves really in terms of spending, you just have to go about your transfer strategy in the correct way.
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
If Levy had paid the money to sign Dias last summer we would of easily got top 4, it’s frustrating
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That's easily said but he went to Man City and he will always make that choice over Spurs.
Its the Inter guy that stands out for me because we were seriously in for him and he went nowhere in the end.
I think we still have to be realistic about our targets, saying we should have got Dias shows a level of delusion as to who we can compete with in this transfer market...it certainly aint Man City
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
It's the transfer strategy that is the problem.
You have a budget and identify 4 'A' players to buy. If you end up achieving two of your targets, buy a 'B' player as the 3rd and use a youth player as the 4th temporary for one season then fine. (You never know what a youth player ends up doing).
Instead Levy's Strategy is to attempt to buy 4 'A' players and haggle all their prices. End up buying 4 'B' players, making the squad more average and blocking the pathway to youth progressing. Then when it comes to selling players it is difficult to then get rid.
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I'd say this is true to an extent. Every deal seems to have Levy's fingerprints all over it, gets dragged out, becomes a real haggle and sometimes fails as a result.
But this does not stop some good signings being made. Poch's squad was built on some superb value players. The team that took the pitch in the UCL final had Sisokko at £30m as the most expensive (& worst) player in the team, Son at £22m and the rest between £4m - £11m. The team cost £40m less than Liverpool keeper & CB.
The problem is Levy thinks he can do this over and over.
I think the strategy you set out is how we try and work and you can see in that summer we bought NDombele, he was our A player. We also wanted Fernandes but he was too expensive so our B option was LoCelso and they accepted a loan until we bought in the Jan. We also bought a couple of potential players one expensive (Sessegnon) and the other cheap (Clark).
This approach, to me, seems fine and most fans were happy with the signings at the time - non of them, about £120m worth, have really worked out in the way we expected, which just goes to show the risk in spending on transfers.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
If Levy had paid the money to sign Dias last summer we would of easily got top 4, it’s frustrating
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That's easily said but he went to Man City and he will always make that choice over Spurs.
Its the Inter guy that stands out for me because we were seriously in for him and he went nowhere in the end.
I think we still have to be realistic about our targets, saying we should have got Dias shows a level of delusion as to who we can compete with in this transfer market...it certainly aint Man City
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Before City got involved Mendes had set up the deal and Dias had agreed a contract with us, just Levy wouldn't pay the fee.
The same with Bruno.
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 4 hours, 58 minutes ago
It's the transfer strategy that is the problem.
You have a budget and identify 4 'A' players to buy. If you end up achieving two of your targets, buy a 'B' player as the 3rd and use a youth player as the 4th temporary for one season then fine. (You never know what a youth player ends up doing).
Instead Levy's Strategy is to attempt to buy 4 'A' players and haggle all their prices. End up buying 4 'B' players, making the squad more average and blocking the pathway to youth progressing. Then when it comes to selling players it is difficult to then get rid.
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This is an excellent post and succinctly summarises exactly what seems to happen a lot. However the one exception seems to be ndombele who was one of the hottest prospects in Europe at the time we signed him for a record fee.
For whatever reason he hasn’t really done the business on the pitch.
Historically our sweet spot seemed to be 8-20 mill pound players who were good but got better. Bale vdv lloris modric Berba palacios Defoe Wanyama Toby jan the list goes on and on. In today’s money maybe that’s now say 12-25mill
Purchases above this sweet spot have often been misses rather than hits
Take away all the penalty kicks, and Bruno Fernandes has been a fairly run of the mill signing for the money Penited paid. Not poor by any means, but if you remove all those undeserved spot kicks, he is not the all singing and dancing signing that the United loving media would have you believe.
That said, I would have still taken him at Spurs, even without scoring 20 penalties a season, he is better than our attacking midfielders.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 hours, 39 minutes ago
My frustrations with our ownership is the unwillingness to speculate to accumulate. I am not talking £250 splurge, just some quality where its needed. If we had gone big on a CB last summer then who knows where we'd be right now.....may be in the UCL which would have paid for the CB easily. We could not afford it so we end up with Rodon who has potential but this does not move us forward.
The logic at times seems very simple. Spend £45m on that Inter defender instead of £11m on Rodon. We get top 4 and this season earn £50m-£80m from it.
The trouble is that there is a long list of £40m+ players who have not delivered and made the desired impact and we have had our fair share of these. Levy certainly got his fingers burnt with the Bale 7 and now acts with even greater caution, that caution ramped up further by the stadium debt and now covid (understandably)
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Still years on I’m explaining this to people:
Soldado 52 apps bought 26m sold 10m
Lamela 177 apps bought 25.8m
Eriksen 226 apps bought 11m sold 10m
Capoue 24 apps bought 9.3m sold 6.3m
Chadli 88 apps bought 7m sold 13m
Paulinho 45 apps bought 16.9m sold 9.9m
Chiriches 27 apps bought 9.5m sold 4.5m
Total appearances between all players: 639
Total expediture: 105.5m
Total fees recouped: 53.7m
Total cost for 639 appearances 51.8m and we still have Lamela.
About the same amount City spent on Kyle Walker.
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posted on 14/6/21
Can't really argue with that. It's what we all have been saying. This from an ex player who will know exactly how they club is run and how the SLT work.
posted on 14/6/21
Jenas is 100% spot on, he can see what most of us can see, unfortunately ENIC will not change, so we are stuck with this misery for the foreseeable. Our only hope is for them to sell up and hand it over to somebody with the ambition to make us winners.
posted on 15/6/21
I dunno, I think this narrative is lazy. We do spend money. We've got a few on or around 200k a week. We spent big money on Ndombele, Lo Celso..
The issue is spending big money in the wrong places. Sanchez 40m, Sessegnon for 30m who clearly wasn't ready. Hopefully this DoF works out better than the others.
posted on 15/6/21
"Whilst Jenas continually reserved praise for Daniel Levy’s ability to provide the club with a world-class playing facility, he wants to see far more ambition in the transfer market going forwards."
Yes yes yes...how many times have we heard that!
And the club is landed with a huge mortgage debt!
And then this......
"“They let Bruno Fernandes go to Manchester United, he could have been a Spurs player if they had gone a bit deeper. There are loads of situations like that."
Oh yes and Levy didn't just let him go to ManU .......h went and bought the wrong Fernandes.
Jenas is saying nothing new. There is only one solution ...and I won't even bother to mention it again!
posted on 15/6/21
Playing to the gallery. I'm hoping paratici as GM of football can refocus our mindset on recruitment. Mot buying to make money but buying to win
posted on 15/6/21
ENIC need to sell up.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 42 minutes ago
ENIC need to sell up.
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Cant see this happening for at least 2 years. They'll need to get the finances back up to an attractive level in terms of cash inflows.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 42 minutes ago
ENIC need to sell up.
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Cant see this happening for at least 2 years. They'll need to get the finances back up to an attractive level in terms of cash inflows.
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posted on 15/6/21
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 42 minutes ago
ENIC need to sell up.
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Cant see this happening for at least 2 years. They'll need to get the finances back up to an attractive level in terms of cash inflows.
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Yes they will. They invested in the infrastructure for a reason.
posted on 15/6/21
Jenas, just another ex footballer who has now become a pundit giving an opinion. Is it any more credible than say Shearer constantly saying Harry Kane has to move away from Spurs.
I don`t take to much notice of any pundit, they are entitled to a view, but they can quite easily be contracted by somebody who is working at Spurs right now. Jenus to my knowledge has not had anything major to do with Spurs for years, other than coming back as a Pundit. Players like Cliff Jones, Mickey Hazard, Graham Roberts, etc probably know more than Jenus about the inner workings of Spurs right now.
posted on 15/6/21
Unfortunately money doesn't grow on trees and you've spent a hell of a lot on players like Ndombele, Sanchez, Sessegnon etc, you've knocked down and then built a new multimillion pound stadium which is quite obviously a huge cost against the club as well as the pandemic that nobody could foresee.
Ultimately you spent a lot of money on the wrong players at a time where you could have gone and got others, that was just bad transfer activity. Jenas seems to be talking as if there is just a bottomless pit of money, "they could have gone deeper for Fernandes", for example. Could they? What happens if you "went deeper" for Ndombele for example which set you back? These are things that he does not know and nobody outside the four walls of the club knows.
You are not a direct comparison to Arsenal of a decade or so ago when they moved to the Emirates, but I wouldn't be expecting to splash the cash if I was a Spurs fan. Maybe that's why you have appointed a new DoF and Foncesca seems to be the man to take charge. A restructure in your transfer strategy to try and pick up a few gems.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 45 minutes ago
Jenas, just another ex footballer who has now become a pundit giving an opinion. Is it any more credible than say Shearer constantly saying Harry Kane has to move away from Spurs.
I don`t take to much notice of any pundit, they are entitled to a view, but they can quite easily be contracted by somebody who is working at Spurs right now. Jenus to my knowledge has not had anything major to do with Spurs for years, other than coming back as a Pundit. Players like Cliff Jones, Mickey Hazard, Graham Roberts, etc probably know more than Jenus about the inner workings of Spurs right now.
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Or maybe JJ being a recently retired ex player will still have contact with staff and players at the club. You’re so predictable Sandy, always making out that things were better in your make believe older days & that modern players don’t compare.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 32 minutes ago
Unfortunately money doesn't grow on trees and you've spent a hell of a lot on players like Ndombele, Sanchez, Sessegnon etc, you've knocked down and then built a new multimillion pound stadium which is quite obviously a huge cost against the club as well as the pandemic that nobody could foresee.
Ultimately you spent a lot of money on the wrong players at a time where you could have gone and got others, that was just bad transfer activity. Jenas seems to be talking as if there is just a bottomless pit of money, "they could have gone deeper for Fernandes", for example. Could they? What happens if you "went deeper" for Ndombele for example which set you back? These are things that he does not know and nobody outside the four walls of the club knows.
You are not a direct comparison to Arsenal of a decade or so ago when they moved to the Emirates, but I wouldn't be expecting to splash the cash if I was a Spurs fan. Maybe that's why you have appointed a new DoF and Foncesca seems to be the man to take charge. A restructure in your transfer strategy to try and pick up a few gems.
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Good post mate. I think our supporters need to get more realistic to how much money will be available. A lot of money has been spent over the past couple of seasons, not as much as say City or Chelsea spend, but all the same quite a bit. And as you say just been spent that wisely.
posted on 15/6/21
My frustrations with our ownership is the unwillingness to speculate to accumulate. I am not talking £250 splurge, just some quality where its needed. If we had gone big on a CB last summer then who knows where we'd be right now.....may be in the UCL which would have paid for the CB easily. We could not afford it so we end up with Rodon who has potential but this does not move us forward.
The logic at times seems very simple. Spend £45m on that Inter defender instead of £11m on Rodon. We get top 4 and this season earn £50m-£80m from it.
The trouble is that there is a long list of £40m+ players who have not delivered and made the desired impact and we have had our fair share of these. Levy certainly got his fingers burnt with the Bale 7 and now acts with even greater caution, that caution ramped up further by the stadium debt and now covid (understandably)
I do not believe ENIC/Levy take money from the club (other than his wages) and everything we earn is reinvested. I also believe that almost every owner, bar may be 2 in this league acts in the exact same way. but all with differing levels of budget.
Jenas is right about the need for a rethink. Buying potential and young only gets you so far. We need to make selective big purchases to move us forward , other wise we are just sat here waiting for the Rodons and Tanganga's of the squad to come good and they may never do so.
I suspect the stadium will allow us to operate in this way and we saw the start of it with some expensive signings in 2019/20. Coupled with this there seems to be a problem with our scouting and recruitment. People like Ndombele are quality but he really does not seem suited to this league. Doherty a very decent RWB at Wolves but we needed a RB. Sisokko purchased off the back of a decent World Cup.
Hopefully the DoF will bring greater focus to our recruitment and when the cash registers in the stadium finally start to ring, then we will have plenty of money to spend.
posted on 15/6/21
It's the transfer strategy that is the problem.
You have a budget and identify 4 'A' players to buy. If you end up achieving two of your targets, buy a 'B' player as the 3rd and use a youth player as the 4th temporary for one season then fine. (You never know what a youth player ends up doing).
Instead Levy's Strategy is to attempt to buy 4 'A' players and haggle all their prices. End up buying 4 'B' players, making the squad more average and blocking the pathway to youth progressing. Then when it comes to selling players it is difficult to then get rid.
posted on 15/6/21
If Levy had paid the money to sign Dias last summer we would of easily got top 4, it’s frustrating
posted on 15/6/21
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 35 minutes ago
If Levy had paid the money to sign Dias last summer we would of easily got top 4, it’s frustrating
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You always have to take the other view though.
Did the club have that money to spend on one player? Maybe there were 2/3 players you wanted with an £80m budget for example. You also probably didn't even have that much available to you.
In Levy's defence, he can point to the Sanchez signing and say, £42m for this player and it hasn't worked out, so why would we now go and spend £50m+ on this guy here? From my point of view, it would take some convincing. We all know how good Dias is now, but I, like probably many others, were not sure how good he was before he moved to City and if he would adapt to the league along with other factors.
It's a tough position for yourselves really in terms of spending, you just have to go about your transfer strategy in the correct way.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
If Levy had paid the money to sign Dias last summer we would of easily got top 4, it’s frustrating
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That's easily said but he went to Man City and he will always make that choice over Spurs.
Its the Inter guy that stands out for me because we were seriously in for him and he went nowhere in the end.
I think we still have to be realistic about our targets, saying we should have got Dias shows a level of delusion as to who we can compete with in this transfer market...it certainly aint Man City
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
It's the transfer strategy that is the problem.
You have a budget and identify 4 'A' players to buy. If you end up achieving two of your targets, buy a 'B' player as the 3rd and use a youth player as the 4th temporary for one season then fine. (You never know what a youth player ends up doing).
Instead Levy's Strategy is to attempt to buy 4 'A' players and haggle all their prices. End up buying 4 'B' players, making the squad more average and blocking the pathway to youth progressing. Then when it comes to selling players it is difficult to then get rid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd say this is true to an extent. Every deal seems to have Levy's fingerprints all over it, gets dragged out, becomes a real haggle and sometimes fails as a result.
But this does not stop some good signings being made. Poch's squad was built on some superb value players. The team that took the pitch in the UCL final had Sisokko at £30m as the most expensive (& worst) player in the team, Son at £22m and the rest between £4m - £11m. The team cost £40m less than Liverpool keeper & CB.
The problem is Levy thinks he can do this over and over.
I think the strategy you set out is how we try and work and you can see in that summer we bought NDombele, he was our A player. We also wanted Fernandes but he was too expensive so our B option was LoCelso and they accepted a loan until we bought in the Jan. We also bought a couple of potential players one expensive (Sessegnon) and the other cheap (Clark).
This approach, to me, seems fine and most fans were happy with the signings at the time - non of them, about £120m worth, have really worked out in the way we expected, which just goes to show the risk in spending on transfers.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
If Levy had paid the money to sign Dias last summer we would of easily got top 4, it’s frustrating
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That's easily said but he went to Man City and he will always make that choice over Spurs.
Its the Inter guy that stands out for me because we were seriously in for him and he went nowhere in the end.
I think we still have to be realistic about our targets, saying we should have got Dias shows a level of delusion as to who we can compete with in this transfer market...it certainly aint Man City
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Before City got involved Mendes had set up the deal and Dias had agreed a contract with us, just Levy wouldn't pay the fee.
The same with Bruno.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 4 hours, 58 minutes ago
It's the transfer strategy that is the problem.
You have a budget and identify 4 'A' players to buy. If you end up achieving two of your targets, buy a 'B' player as the 3rd and use a youth player as the 4th temporary for one season then fine. (You never know what a youth player ends up doing).
Instead Levy's Strategy is to attempt to buy 4 'A' players and haggle all their prices. End up buying 4 'B' players, making the squad more average and blocking the pathway to youth progressing. Then when it comes to selling players it is difficult to then get rid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is an excellent post and succinctly summarises exactly what seems to happen a lot. However the one exception seems to be ndombele who was one of the hottest prospects in Europe at the time we signed him for a record fee.
For whatever reason he hasn’t really done the business on the pitch.
Historically our sweet spot seemed to be 8-20 mill pound players who were good but got better. Bale vdv lloris modric Berba palacios Defoe Wanyama Toby jan the list goes on and on. In today’s money maybe that’s now say 12-25mill
Purchases above this sweet spot have often been misses rather than hits
posted on 15/6/21
Take away all the penalty kicks, and Bruno Fernandes has been a fairly run of the mill signing for the money Penited paid. Not poor by any means, but if you remove all those undeserved spot kicks, he is not the all singing and dancing signing that the United loving media would have you believe.
That said, I would have still taken him at Spurs, even without scoring 20 penalties a season, he is better than our attacking midfielders.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 hours, 39 minutes ago
My frustrations with our ownership is the unwillingness to speculate to accumulate. I am not talking £250 splurge, just some quality where its needed. If we had gone big on a CB last summer then who knows where we'd be right now.....may be in the UCL which would have paid for the CB easily. We could not afford it so we end up with Rodon who has potential but this does not move us forward.
The logic at times seems very simple. Spend £45m on that Inter defender instead of £11m on Rodon. We get top 4 and this season earn £50m-£80m from it.
The trouble is that there is a long list of £40m+ players who have not delivered and made the desired impact and we have had our fair share of these. Levy certainly got his fingers burnt with the Bale 7 and now acts with even greater caution, that caution ramped up further by the stadium debt and now covid (understandably)
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Still years on I’m explaining this to people:
Soldado 52 apps bought 26m sold 10m
Lamela 177 apps bought 25.8m
Eriksen 226 apps bought 11m sold 10m
Capoue 24 apps bought 9.3m sold 6.3m
Chadli 88 apps bought 7m sold 13m
Paulinho 45 apps bought 16.9m sold 9.9m
Chiriches 27 apps bought 9.5m sold 4.5m
Total appearances between all players: 639
Total expediture: 105.5m
Total fees recouped: 53.7m
Total cost for 639 appearances 51.8m and we still have Lamela.
About the same amount City spent on Kyle Walker.
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