I didn't get why we brought Henderson on?
get him minutes? minutes for what? hes arguably our most useless mf in the squad.
he plays club football for a team that just uses carthorses in mf and tends to go long to rapid wide forwards. clearly not the way Southgate wants to play
World class players aren't the issue. If they were, Poland would be much better than they are.
Wjatbwe do have is enough good players to make a better team than most, but we need a manager that can utilise them all.
comment by RespectYourAldersSon (U22365)
posted 29 seconds ago
World class players aren't the issue. If they were, Poland would be much better than they are.
Wjatbwe do have is enough good players to make a better team than most, but we need a manager that can utilise them all.
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We are a better team than most though. We've won none of our last ten conceding one goal or something.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes to give him minutes.
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for what though? as a dm?
philips and rice are fitter, younger and better technical players than him
clearly hes not in the team to contribute anything other than breaking up play which his wrong side of 30 body clearly cant cope with any more.
8 goals in 160 games and 12 odd assists in the same time frame means if he cant get around any more its time for him to move on.
England have the best attacking options in Europe in my opinion. Remains to be seen though how your defense and CM holds up against the better teams.
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 33 seconds ago
Okay mate.
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youre kinda answering your own OP if you think he should be getting minutes ahead of say Bellingham right now
as a nation we cling to 'names' and the fact they are part of good teams whose real quality is derived from their foreign imports
thats the issue with the overhyping of the English team every time
go back to the 2006 World Cup
John Terry played his best football next Carvalho, Rio next to vidic, Lampard with makele and Essien covering his runs, Gerrard with Xabi Alonso, Rooney with Ronaldo etc
suddenly they are expected to play with each other without these truly world class players next to them.
henderson is a case in point right now
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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That would be 24
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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Why not Kane for Mbappe?
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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Wow. You'd trade bench warmers for one of the best forwards in the world? Which team wouldn't do that?
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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Wow. You'd trade bench warmers for one of the best forwards in the world? Which team wouldn't do that?
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I would trade Henderson for Kante.
I agree about playing players into fitness, it makes sense as they are club captains of big clubs through the spine of the side and you can't really ever dismiss how valuable that is.
I don't agree with the Rice Phillips partnership though, surely we haven't conceded many but we've never really looks very good against average sides. In these games we should have been using more attack minded players to build some confidence and momentum IMO.
It just screams classic England to me, on paper things look good and you could probably have enough there to get excited about but it ends up being flat and disappointing. I put that down to Southgate.
It's okay to be pragmatic but I feel like being pragmatic is playing to our strengths, whereas we're trying to nullify our weaknesses and nullifying our own strengths in the process
Might just be he’s embedding the Rice Phillips midfield for when we do play those better teams though and given it’s a new set up, it’s been worth persevering with that through out all the games.
Full backs really is the key area. That and Kane has to start playing.
Which I appreciate to a certain point, I just think we should try and be more positive regardless of opposition
Personally I think Mount works hard enough to play in a deeper role yet still offer a more positive threat
You should visit a United match thread sometime
95% of the players are unfit to wear the shirt but the manager is a clown for not winning the treble with them
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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You must be joking.
You'd never get MBappe for that lot.
comment by Chelsea_badger (U22493)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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Why not Kane for Mbappe?
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Out of your mind.
Levy would do that in a second...
but Pochettino...no way!
1) The results are remembered , almost never the manner how.
2) Club loyalty and dislike of rival club's players in the national team prevails in England at a greater level than elsewhere.
3) Winning the WC in 1966 was a poisoned chalice, as fans expectations were that England should win every competition played in thereafter....and therefore experienced much disappointment as a result.
4) Reaching a semi final of a knock out tournament is already a great achievement for any team no matter how good they supposedly are.
5) England are ranked 3rd in Europe and 4th best team in the world. This ranking should speak more about Southgate's and the team's ranking than one off matches.
England fans therefore can reasonably expect a semi final appearance for the national team.
Southgate has achieved his target of topping the table and his team conceding zero goals. His employers will be more than satisfied with this.
The detractors on this and other media "don't know what they are talking about".
Although there have been rare moments when we’ve looked like a football team, most of the tournament so far we’ve been crap.
You have to hope that we can up the tempo for the knock out stages? I hope the plan isn’t to trust ourselves on penalties
Engjand are rubbish, but they are lucky they are playing by the looks of it every game at Wembley, where they usually win. If they had to travel, they probably would not have got out of the group. They were also lucky they played Croatia on an off day, I watched their game rather than England, and they were superb in beating Scotland.
England`s weak links are the goalkeeper and central midfield, Pickford is a liability and Rice, Phillips and Henderson are just not good enough technically, as soon as we face a quality opponent they will be found wanting.
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posted on 22/6/21
*playing
posted on 22/6/21
I didn't get why we brought Henderson on?
get him minutes? minutes for what? hes arguably our most useless mf in the squad.
he plays club football for a team that just uses carthorses in mf and tends to go long to rapid wide forwards. clearly not the way Southgate wants to play
posted on 22/6/21
World class players aren't the issue. If they were, Poland would be much better than they are.
Wjatbwe do have is enough good players to make a better team than most, but we need a manager that can utilise them all.
posted on 22/6/21
Yes to give him minutes.
posted on 22/6/21
comment by RespectYourAldersSon (U22365)
posted 29 seconds ago
World class players aren't the issue. If they were, Poland would be much better than they are.
Wjatbwe do have is enough good players to make a better team than most, but we need a manager that can utilise them all.
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We are a better team than most though. We've won none of our last ten conceding one goal or something.
posted on 22/6/21
Nine ffs
posted on 22/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes to give him minutes.
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for what though? as a dm?
philips and rice are fitter, younger and better technical players than him
clearly hes not in the team to contribute anything other than breaking up play which his wrong side of 30 body clearly cant cope with any more.
8 goals in 160 games and 12 odd assists in the same time frame means if he cant get around any more its time for him to move on.
posted on 22/6/21
Okay mate.
posted on 22/6/21
England have the best attacking options in Europe in my opinion. Remains to be seen though how your defense and CM holds up against the better teams.
posted on 22/6/21
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
posted on 22/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 33 seconds ago
Okay mate.
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youre kinda answering your own OP if you think he should be getting minutes ahead of say Bellingham right now
as a nation we cling to 'names' and the fact they are part of good teams whose real quality is derived from their foreign imports
thats the issue with the overhyping of the English team every time
go back to the 2006 World Cup
John Terry played his best football next Carvalho, Rio next to vidic, Lampard with makele and Essien covering his runs, Gerrard with Xabi Alonso, Rooney with Ronaldo etc
suddenly they are expected to play with each other without these truly world class players next to them.
henderson is a case in point right now
posted on 22/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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That would be 24
posted on 22/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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Why not Kane for Mbappe?
posted on 22/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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Wow. You'd trade bench warmers for one of the best forwards in the world? Which team wouldn't do that?
posted on 22/6/21
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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Wow. You'd trade bench warmers for one of the best forwards in the world? Which team wouldn't do that?
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I would trade Henderson for Kante.
posted on 23/6/21
I agree about playing players into fitness, it makes sense as they are club captains of big clubs through the spine of the side and you can't really ever dismiss how valuable that is.
I don't agree with the Rice Phillips partnership though, surely we haven't conceded many but we've never really looks very good against average sides. In these games we should have been using more attack minded players to build some confidence and momentum IMO.
It just screams classic England to me, on paper things look good and you could probably have enough there to get excited about but it ends up being flat and disappointing. I put that down to Southgate.
It's okay to be pragmatic but I feel like being pragmatic is playing to our strengths, whereas we're trying to nullify our weaknesses and nullifying our own strengths in the process
posted on 23/6/21
Might just be he’s embedding the Rice Phillips midfield for when we do play those better teams though and given it’s a new set up, it’s been worth persevering with that through out all the games.
Full backs really is the key area. That and Kane has to start playing.
posted on 23/6/21
Which I appreciate to a certain point, I just think we should try and be more positive regardless of opposition
Personally I think Mount works hard enough to play in a deeper role yet still offer a more positive threat
posted on 23/6/21
You should visit a United match thread sometime
95% of the players are unfit to wear the shirt but the manager is a clown for not winning the treble with them
posted on 23/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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You must be joking.
You'd never get MBappe for that lot.
posted on 23/6/21
comment by Chelsea_badger (U22493)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd trade DCL, Rashford and Sancho for just Mbappe right now and go with a 23 man squad.
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Why not Kane for Mbappe?
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Out of your mind.
Levy would do that in a second...
but Pochettino...no way!
posted on 23/6/21
1) The results are remembered , almost never the manner how.
2) Club loyalty and dislike of rival club's players in the national team prevails in England at a greater level than elsewhere.
3) Winning the WC in 1966 was a poisoned chalice, as fans expectations were that England should win every competition played in thereafter....and therefore experienced much disappointment as a result.
4) Reaching a semi final of a knock out tournament is already a great achievement for any team no matter how good they supposedly are.
5) England are ranked 3rd in Europe and 4th best team in the world. This ranking should speak more about Southgate's and the team's ranking than one off matches.
England fans therefore can reasonably expect a semi final appearance for the national team.
Southgate has achieved his target of topping the table and his team conceding zero goals. His employers will be more than satisfied with this.
The detractors on this and other media "don't know what they are talking about".
posted on 23/6/21
Although there have been rare moments when we’ve looked like a football team, most of the tournament so far we’ve been crap.
You have to hope that we can up the tempo for the knock out stages? I hope the plan isn’t to trust ourselves on penalties
posted on 23/6/21
Engjand are rubbish, but they are lucky they are playing by the looks of it every game at Wembley, where they usually win. If they had to travel, they probably would not have got out of the group. They were also lucky they played Croatia on an off day, I watched their game rather than England, and they were superb in beating Scotland.
posted on 23/6/21
England`s weak links are the goalkeeper and central midfield, Pickford is a liability and Rice, Phillips and Henderson are just not good enough technically, as soon as we face a quality opponent they will be found wanting.
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