comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
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Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
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Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
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Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
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Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
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I'm sure people don't choose the 'benefits lifestyle' rather they fall into it. It's a safety net for people which I'm glad is there. Just because some may try to defraud it doesn't mean we should get rid of it. Forcing people into community service isn't the way to go though. If you force people to do jobs such as cleaning what message does that send to people who have actually applied for and now work as cleaners. It's legitimate and important work (especially these days) and shouldn't be seen to be a punishment.
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
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Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
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Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
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Well no that's not strictly true because they choose that lifestyle for a reason and the people that usually choose this "lifestyle" do not usually break out of it either.
It is usually the younger generation who are best to get out of habits, whereas the people on benefits are not usually the younger generation because there is much more support available for any young person now to get into work as that's done through schools, college and university schemes etc.
I know plenty of people who are 40+ who are on benefits who have been benefits for 10+ years (depending on age). People don't like change I'm afraid.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
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Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
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Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
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I'm sure people don't choose the 'benefits lifestyle' rather they fall into it. It's a safety net for people which I'm glad is there. Just because some may try to defraud it doesn't mean we should get rid of it. Forcing people into community service isn't the way to go though. If you force people to do jobs such as cleaning what message does that send to people who have actually applied for and now work as cleaners. It's legitimate and important work (especially these days) and shouldn't be seen to be a punishment.
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Agree with that though as well. I'm talking as if people do actually "choose" to sit on benefits whereas that isn't usually the case. But the people that do "choose" that tend to be on it for significant periods of time from what I know anyway.
No one chooses the benefits lifestyle FFS.
Some people seems to think it's the year 2000 or something.
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
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Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
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Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
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Well no that's not strictly true because they choose that lifestyle for a reason and the people that usually choose this "lifestyle" do not usually break out of it either.
It is usually the younger generation who are best to get out of habits, whereas the people on benefits are not usually the younger generation because there is much more support available for any young person now to get into work as that's done through schools, college and university schemes etc.
I know plenty of people who are 40+ who are on benefits who have been benefits for 10+ years (depending on age). People don't like change I'm afraid.
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Then you sanction them if they refuse without good reason. It should pay to work.
You walk into a shop and steal a bottle of whiskey you could face prison time.
Claim benefits fraudulently for years and you will have a tiny amount deducted from your future benefits in all but the most serious of cases.
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 5 seconds ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
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The vast majority don't though. The people you know do you know why they've not worked. Could there be a good reason you're not aware of?
If the people were 'employed' then that's OK. But the employment would have to be based on merit and aptitude surely. And then would need at least the minimum wage. With your idea there could be two tiers of cleaners. One tier would be guaranteed work because they got into it when unemployed whereas the other tier would need to continue to impress.
I know you haven't said get rid of it but if you force people into 'employment' that's pretty much what you're doing really.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 5 seconds ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
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The vast majority don't though. The people you know do you know why they've not worked. Could there be a good reason you're not aware of?
If the people were 'employed' then that's OK. But the employment would have to be based on merit and aptitude surely. And then would need at least the minimum wage. With your idea there could be two tiers of cleaners. One tier would be guaranteed work because they got into it when unemployed whereas the other tier would need to continue to impress.
I know you haven't said get rid of it but if you force people into 'employment' that's pretty much what you're doing really.
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Whata wrong with forcing the long term unemployed into employment?
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
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Your youth, was very different from mine. I literally never knew one. And that's the truth. I grew up in North Manchester, not posh, not poor, just ordinary, I daresay there were some who chose not to work, but I never knew them
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
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Firstly, you're a liar.
Secondly, they didn't get all that from £57 a week did they.
You really are a horrible little man.
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
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Well no that's not strictly true because they choose that lifestyle for a reason and the people that usually choose this "lifestyle" do not usually break out of it either.
It is usually the younger generation who are best to get out of habits, whereas the people on benefits are not usually the younger generation because there is much more support available for any young person now to get into work as that's done through schools, college and university schemes etc.
I know plenty of people who are 40+ who are on benefits who have been benefits for 10+ years (depending on age). People don't like change I'm afraid.
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Then you sanction them if they refuse without good reason. It should pay to work.
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It's really not hard to give a good reason. Mental health is a big thing now that can (unfortunately) easily be prayed upon.
You can also say you've been looking for a job without success as well.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 5 seconds ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
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The vast majority don't though. The people you know do you know why they've not worked. Could there be a good reason you're not aware of?
If the people were 'employed' then that's OK. But the employment would have to be based on merit and aptitude surely. And then would need at least the minimum wage. With your idea there could be two tiers of cleaners. One tier would be guaranteed work because they got into it when unemployed whereas the other tier would need to continue to impress.
I know you haven't said get rid of it but if you force people into 'employment' that's pretty much what you're doing really.
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We can only speak from our own experiences.
Iv done fraud investigation work in the past and grew up on a council estate where benefits was, and continues to be a lifestyle choice (Feigning illness, come off benefits until the training courses are full, have a kid to get a flat, pretend to be separated)
Its a bigger issue than some will admit. As big an issue as corporation tax evasion, no, but thats another conversation.
Saying otherwise is like saying beating someone up is bad, but killing someone is worse, let's worry about the murderers before we stop others beating someone up.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
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Firstly, you're a liar.
Secondly, they didn't get all that from £57 a week did they.
You really are a horrible little man.
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Turn that frown upside down Sad sack.
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
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Your youth, was very different from mine. I literally never knew one. And that's the truth. I grew up in North Manchester, not posh, not poor, just ordinary, I daresay there were some who chose not to work, but I never knew them
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Different times.
When did the benefits system come into practice?
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 28 seconds ago
Iv done fraud investigation work in the past
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You've done loads of jobs that seemingly back up your argument at any given time.
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literally no idea who you are or what your referring to mate. Sorry.
RDD has told numerous people that he doesn't know them, hoping to insult them or negate their arguments. Massive fail, of course.
The real point is this: dozens of other JA606ers have read your posts for years. You get to know someone by what they think, say, and write.
You may not know us, RDD, but we certainly know you for the fecking spacktard that you are.
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comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 2 minutes ago
RDD has told numerous people that he doesn't know them, hoping to insult them or negate their arguments. Massive fail, of course.
The real point is this: dozens of other JA606ers have read your posts for years. You get to know someone by what they think, say, and write.
You may not know us, RDD, but we certainly know you for the fecking spacktard that you are.
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No idea who you are, but the use of spacktard tells me you are nothing but a frustrated silly little boy.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
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Firstly, you're a liar.
Secondly, they didn't get all that from £57 a week did they.
You really are a horrible little man.
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Turn that frown upside down Sad sack.
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You've got to be literally a bit stupid to try and make out that you know dozens of people who have never worked but gain that lifestyle from £57 a week
What a cvnt.
Anyway filtered for being an utter clown and an awful human being who I suspect, somewhat ironically, is on benefits.
Who’s this poster called The Murr Man? Never heard of him but he sounds like a right caant
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
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Firstly, you're a liar.
Secondly, they didn't get all that from £57 a week did they.
You really are a horrible little man.
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Turn that frown upside down Sad sack.
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You've got to be literally a bit stupid to try and make out that you know dozens of people who have never worked but gain that lifestyle from £57 a week
What a cvnt.
Anyway filtered for being an utter clown and an awful human being who I suspect, somewhat ironically, is on benefits.
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Probably got that impression from the Boswells in Bread.
Why do people keep replying to RDD. Just all filter him and he will eff off.
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posted on 29/6/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
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Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
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Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
posted on 29/6/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
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Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
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I'm sure people don't choose the 'benefits lifestyle' rather they fall into it. It's a safety net for people which I'm glad is there. Just because some may try to defraud it doesn't mean we should get rid of it. Forcing people into community service isn't the way to go though. If you force people to do jobs such as cleaning what message does that send to people who have actually applied for and now work as cleaners. It's legitimate and important work (especially these days) and shouldn't be seen to be a punishment.
posted on 29/6/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
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Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
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Well no that's not strictly true because they choose that lifestyle for a reason and the people that usually choose this "lifestyle" do not usually break out of it either.
It is usually the younger generation who are best to get out of habits, whereas the people on benefits are not usually the younger generation because there is much more support available for any young person now to get into work as that's done through schools, college and university schemes etc.
I know plenty of people who are 40+ who are on benefits who have been benefits for 10+ years (depending on age). People don't like change I'm afraid.
posted on 29/6/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
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Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
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Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
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I'm sure people don't choose the 'benefits lifestyle' rather they fall into it. It's a safety net for people which I'm glad is there. Just because some may try to defraud it doesn't mean we should get rid of it. Forcing people into community service isn't the way to go though. If you force people to do jobs such as cleaning what message does that send to people who have actually applied for and now work as cleaners. It's legitimate and important work (especially these days) and shouldn't be seen to be a punishment.
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Agree with that though as well. I'm talking as if people do actually "choose" to sit on benefits whereas that isn't usually the case. But the people that do "choose" that tend to be on it for significant periods of time from what I know anyway.
posted on 29/6/21
No one chooses the benefits lifestyle FFS.
Some people seems to think it's the year 2000 or something.
posted on 29/6/21
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
posted on 29/6/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
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Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
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Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
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Well no that's not strictly true because they choose that lifestyle for a reason and the people that usually choose this "lifestyle" do not usually break out of it either.
It is usually the younger generation who are best to get out of habits, whereas the people on benefits are not usually the younger generation because there is much more support available for any young person now to get into work as that's done through schools, college and university schemes etc.
I know plenty of people who are 40+ who are on benefits who have been benefits for 10+ years (depending on age). People don't like change I'm afraid.
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Then you sanction them if they refuse without good reason. It should pay to work.
posted on 29/6/21
You walk into a shop and steal a bottle of whiskey you could face prison time.
Claim benefits fraudulently for years and you will have a tiny amount deducted from your future benefits in all but the most serious of cases.
posted on 29/6/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 5 seconds ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
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The vast majority don't though. The people you know do you know why they've not worked. Could there be a good reason you're not aware of?
If the people were 'employed' then that's OK. But the employment would have to be based on merit and aptitude surely. And then would need at least the minimum wage. With your idea there could be two tiers of cleaners. One tier would be guaranteed work because they got into it when unemployed whereas the other tier would need to continue to impress.
I know you haven't said get rid of it but if you force people into 'employment' that's pretty much what you're doing really.
posted on 29/6/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 5 seconds ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
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The vast majority don't though. The people you know do you know why they've not worked. Could there be a good reason you're not aware of?
If the people were 'employed' then that's OK. But the employment would have to be based on merit and aptitude surely. And then would need at least the minimum wage. With your idea there could be two tiers of cleaners. One tier would be guaranteed work because they got into it when unemployed whereas the other tier would need to continue to impress.
I know you haven't said get rid of it but if you force people into 'employment' that's pretty much what you're doing really.
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Whata wrong with forcing the long term unemployed into employment?
posted on 29/6/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
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Your youth, was very different from mine. I literally never knew one. And that's the truth. I grew up in North Manchester, not posh, not poor, just ordinary, I daresay there were some who chose not to work, but I never knew them
posted on 29/6/21
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
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Firstly, you're a liar.
Secondly, they didn't get all that from £57 a week did they.
You really are a horrible little man.
posted on 29/6/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Benefit rates are the biggest motivation to find work.
Isn’t the basic benefit for a adult about £18 a day? Pretty insulting if you’ve paid into the system for 20 years then lost your job through no fault of your own.
It as insulting as being forced to clean up dogshizzle I suppose
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Some people seem to think it's a bed of roses being on the 'dole'. It really isn't. Of course some people 'game' the system but not that many. Fraud detection can be quite sophisticated and automated. For example if you fail to detect a bank account with a lot of money in it they can match the interest you get with the tax you pay via NI number.
I wouldn't be insulted working picking up dog much if it were my choice and the pay was fair but I'd hate to be forced into it via some community service!
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Exactly. Most who choose the benefits lifestyle would hate it enough to find alternative employment.
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Well no that's not strictly true because they choose that lifestyle for a reason and the people that usually choose this "lifestyle" do not usually break out of it either.
It is usually the younger generation who are best to get out of habits, whereas the people on benefits are not usually the younger generation because there is much more support available for any young person now to get into work as that's done through schools, college and university schemes etc.
I know plenty of people who are 40+ who are on benefits who have been benefits for 10+ years (depending on age). People don't like change I'm afraid.
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Then you sanction them if they refuse without good reason. It should pay to work.
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It's really not hard to give a good reason. Mental health is a big thing now that can (unfortunately) easily be prayed upon.
You can also say you've been looking for a job without success as well.
posted on 29/6/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 5 seconds ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
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The vast majority don't though. The people you know do you know why they've not worked. Could there be a good reason you're not aware of?
If the people were 'employed' then that's OK. But the employment would have to be based on merit and aptitude surely. And then would need at least the minimum wage. With your idea there could be two tiers of cleaners. One tier would be guaranteed work because they got into it when unemployed whereas the other tier would need to continue to impress.
I know you haven't said get rid of it but if you force people into 'employment' that's pretty much what you're doing really.
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We can only speak from our own experiences.
Iv done fraud investigation work in the past and grew up on a council estate where benefits was, and continues to be a lifestyle choice (Feigning illness, come off benefits until the training courses are full, have a kid to get a flat, pretend to be separated)
Its a bigger issue than some will admit. As big an issue as corporation tax evasion, no, but thats another conversation.
Saying otherwise is like saying beating someone up is bad, but killing someone is worse, let's worry about the murderers before we stop others beating someone up.
posted on 29/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
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Firstly, you're a liar.
Secondly, they didn't get all that from £57 a week did they.
You really are a horrible little man.
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Turn that frown upside down Sad sack.
posted on 29/6/21
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posted on 29/6/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 4 minutes ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
And why would a cleaner be offended by unemployed being essentially 'employed' ( not punished) to clean for their benefits? There is a stigma attached to cleaning jobs already.
And I haven't said get rid of the benefits system.
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Your youth, was very different from mine. I literally never knew one. And that's the truth. I grew up in North Manchester, not posh, not poor, just ordinary, I daresay there were some who chose not to work, but I never knew them
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Different times.
When did the benefits system come into practice?
posted on 29/6/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 28 seconds ago
Iv done fraud investigation work in the past
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You've done loads of jobs that seemingly back up your argument at any given time.
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literally no idea who you are or what your referring to mate. Sorry.
posted on 29/6/21
RDD has told numerous people that he doesn't know them, hoping to insult them or negate their arguments. Massive fail, of course.
The real point is this: dozens of other JA606ers have read your posts for years. You get to know someone by what they think, say, and write.
You may not know us, RDD, but we certainly know you for the fecking spacktard that you are.
posted on 29/6/21
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posted on 29/6/21
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 2 minutes ago
RDD has told numerous people that he doesn't know them, hoping to insult them or negate their arguments. Massive fail, of course.
The real point is this: dozens of other JA606ers have read your posts for years. You get to know someone by what they think, say, and write.
You may not know us, RDD, but we certainly know you for the fecking spacktard that you are.
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No idea who you are, but the use of spacktard tells me you are nothing but a frustrated silly little boy.
posted on 29/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
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Firstly, you're a liar.
Secondly, they didn't get all that from £57 a week did they.
You really are a horrible little man.
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Turn that frown upside down Sad sack.
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You've got to be literally a bit stupid to try and make out that you know dozens of people who have never worked but gain that lifestyle from £57 a week
What a cvnt.
Anyway filtered for being an utter clown and an awful human being who I suspect, somewhat ironically, is on benefits.
posted on 29/6/21
Who’s this poster called The Murr Man? Never heard of him but he sounds like a right caant
posted on 29/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many do choose the benefits lifestylle. I literally know dozens of people from my youth that have never worked a day. Council house, holidays, Sky, car, I phones, always in the pub.
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Firstly, you're a liar.
Secondly, they didn't get all that from £57 a week did they.
You really are a horrible little man.
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Turn that frown upside down Sad sack.
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You've got to be literally a bit stupid to try and make out that you know dozens of people who have never worked but gain that lifestyle from £57 a week
What a cvnt.
Anyway filtered for being an utter clown and an awful human being who I suspect, somewhat ironically, is on benefits.
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Probably got that impression from the Boswells in Bread.
posted on 29/6/21
Why do people keep replying to RDD. Just all filter him and he will eff off.
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