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comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does this actually worry anyone? We can’t escape from the fact that less humans means less impact on the planet which is obviously a good thing overall.
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The only concerning thing, is with the average life expectancy on an upward curve and more people not having kids, who does the burden fall on to look after these childless old folk?


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Childless old folk will likely have more money saved.
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I’m today’s world, people won’t even have a mortgage paid off or a pension pot to pi$$ in, never mind money saved.
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Exactly, millienials have been getting screwed by this government for decades. Look at the price of housing right now, look at how much wages have barely kept in line with inflation and you wonder why no one wants to make a kid.

comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 11 minutes ago
https://www.statista.com/statistics/268830/unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

UK unemployment rate is 4.8% which is at the lower end in Europe,so lower birth rates should be right across Europe with the Med countries showing the most falls.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Let’s face it, the furlough scheme and zero hour contracts fudge those stats.

That very scheme will haunt us for decades.

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 36 seconds ago
Does anyone know how much a child costs on average a year?
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I don't want to knowMy youngest has just started his 30 hours free childcare but I had two go through it before then. At the most, when I had 2 kids in full time child care for 3 days a week, it was upwards of £1500 a month all in. I've spent tens of thousands over the last 5 years.
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Mine has the 30 hour free childcare, but we have to pay “wrap around” hours and it still costs us £160 a month for 2 days a week.

Free my backside.

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 36 seconds ago
Does anyone know how much a child costs on average a year?
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I don't want to knowMy youngest has just started his 30 hours free childcare but I had two go through it before then. At the most, when I had 2 kids in full time child care for 3 days a week, it was upwards of £1500 a month all in. I've spent tens of thousands over the last 5 years.
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So roughly £750 a month per kid then and almost £10k a year if we go off that, imagine someone working a minimum wage job and they’ve got rent and bills to pay. Where the feck are they gonna dig an extra £750 from?

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does this actually worry anyone? We can’t escape from the fact that less humans means less impact on the planet which is obviously a good thing overall.
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The only concerning thing, is with the average life expectancy on an upward curve and more people not having kids, who does the burden fall on to look after these childless old folk?


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Childless old folk will likely have more money saved.
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I’m today’s world, people won’t even have a mortgage paid off or a pension pot to pi$$ in, never mind money saved.
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Exactly, millienials have been getting screwed by this government for decades. Look at the price of housing right now, look at how much wages have barely kept in line with inflation and you wonder why no one wants to make a kid.
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hahaha, good lord... you wanna try look at how people had to live in the decades before you were even a flicker in ya dads peck£r

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 36 seconds ago
Does anyone know how much a child costs on average a year?
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I don't want to knowMy youngest has just started his 30 hours free childcare but I had two go through it before then. At the most, when I had 2 kids in full time child care for 3 days a week, it was upwards of £1500 a month all in. I've spent tens of thousands over the last 5 years.
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So roughly £750 a month per kid then and almost £10k a year if we go off that, imagine someone working a minimum wage job and they’ve got rent and bills to pay. Where the feck are they gonna dig an extra £750 from?
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they dont.. they sponge, and thats also a problem

Child benefits doesn’t even do much either compared to the Blair era, EMA has been cut for college students. I mean it’s not surprising is it

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like i say, there is no way of putting a figure on it, everyones circumstances are different

Quite a few people I know that are doing well in life didn't have parents that earned tens of thousands when they were kids.

Also people live to their means, people that choose to not have kids likely don't have the equivelant cost of raising a child sat in the bank at the end of every month/year. Probably spend it on cars/holidays/bigger house if the reason for not wanting kids is a lifestyle choice.

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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
like i say, there is no way of putting a figure on it, everyones circumstances are different
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Circumstances may differ but child care costs, in terms of actual cost of putting kids into child care is pretty standard.
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i agree, but arabs original question was how much does a kid cost a year

I think skinny fit jeans is the main cause of the shrinking population.

comment by Sharteta (U19684)
posted 22 minutes ago
It's a start but really a global population down to the millions rather than billions is the only way the natural ecosystems will even have a chance to survive or recover

A pipe dream obviously, instead business and governments will do all they can to keep the worlds Ponzi based, destructive economies going
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This is factually untrue. The technologies are available to enable humans to have a net neutral impact on the environment, and if we embrace those technologies and the necessary behavioural changes, we can sustain high (and higher) levels of population without destroying the environment. Let's also remember that a hugely disproportionate % of environmental degradation is driven by a relatively small portion of the world population, i.e. by the consumption patterns of us lot in the richer parts of the world.

If we commit to a circular economy, low carbon technologies and energy supplies and are willing to drastically reduce our meat consumption, the picture looks much rosier for the planet and the human race. If we insist on carrying on as we are, and if the emerging middle class across developing countries adopts European/North American consumption habits, then we're in big trouble. The fantasy of solving the world's problems by decimating the population relies on the assumption that we don't change the status quo. I guess it's only fair if those advocating this population reduction path volunteer to be first in line for the measures that deliver it.

Having kids and raising them doesn't have to be the issue it's made to be imo. Based on my own experience.

Live within your means and put the kids/family first. On e brown you realize it wasn't clothes and the latest playstation that was important but time spent together.

My old man worked in the pot banks, raised 8 kids and we all went to uni. 5 of us having masters degrees too.

*once grown

comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
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comment by Constantinople (U11781)
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 36 seconds ago
Does anyone know how much a child costs on average a year?
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I don't want to knowMy youngest has just started his 30 hours free childcare but I had two go through it before then. At the most, when I had 2 kids in full time child care for 3 days a week, it was upwards of £1500 a month all in. I've spent tens of thousands over the last 5 years.
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So roughly £750 a month per kid then and almost £10k a year if we go off that, imagine someone working a minimum wage job and they’ve got rent and bills to pay. Where the feck are they gonna dig an extra £750 from?
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they dont.. they sponge, and thats also a problem
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It aint sponging, it's picking the best options.

My wife had two options after returning from maternity with her second child.

Keep the full time job, and spend best part of £2k a month on childcare, she doesn't even that.

I can see how people end up not working at all, it makes financial sense to do so. Then you end up with capable people unable to get back into work.

It aint sponging, it's picking the best options.

My wife had two options after returning from maternity with her second child.

Keep the full time job, and spend best part of £2k a month on childcare, she doesn't even that.

I can see how people end up not working at all, it makes financial sense to do so. Then you end up with capable people unable to get back into work.
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That's the reality for most of us, you end up basically working FOR the childminder, because you want to work, but it makes no sense, financially, a lot of the time, so one of you works while the other stays home,.

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We have an ageing population with not enough people of working age to look after them,or willing to do these jobs. This is only going to get worse when the baby boomers hit retirement home age with 10 old angry brexiteers needing cared for per 1 Romanian doctor who has emigrated to become a carer in the UK.

Hopefully what happens is the baby boomer brexiteers spend their last few years being ironically tortured by immigrants in their care homes until they regret their life choices and wished they had never lived.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does this actually worry anyone? We can’t escape from the fact that less humans means less impact on the planet which is obviously a good thing overall.
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The only concerning thing, is with the average life expectancy on an upward curve and more people not having kids, who does the burden fall on to look after these childless old folk?


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the swiss clinics

comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Pales... (U1108)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Gone are the days where you have families with 4 plus children. You just can't afford to have too many children.
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I have 3 presently, and 4th is expected to arrive in August. Have more kids and enjoy

I know in parts of Scandinavia, mothers are encouraged to go back to work and childcare if covered if you work over 30 hours a week, or something to that effect.

The amount of NI I have paid in my working life, and never once benefit directly other than a hernia operation.

How about the people who don't work because it doesn't make financial sense to do so, the government top of the difference to a minimum value. That'd incentivise people.

The statutory requirements for mothers returning to work are also disgusting. My wife had to take a demotion, pay decrease and works ridiculous hours to allow her to work 3 days instead of the previous 4. Even though she posts stats better than her peers working 5 days.

comment by Barry Smith (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
We have an ageing population with not enough people of working age to look after them,or willing to do these jobs. This is only going to get worse when the baby boomers hit retirement home age with 10 old angry brexiteers needing cared for per 1 Romanian doctor who has emigrated to become a carer in the UK.

Hopefully what happens is the baby boomer brexiteers spend their last few years being ironically tortured by immigrants in their care homes until they regret their life choices and wished they had never lived.
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Ironical Torture

I like that concept