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Rafa's clearly the best out of them not even a debate on that but imo also the best match, most suitable. Nunos not what Spurs need, Vieiras a gamble for Palace and against the model theyve survived in the prem for years with.
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posted 3 minutes ago
Rafa's clearly the best out of them not even a debate on that but imo also the best match, most suitable. Nunos not what Spurs need, Vieiras a gamble for Palace and against the model theyve survived in the prem for years with.
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I actually think that no matter how well Vieira does, Palace are going to struggle massively this season. He has such a massive rebuild on his hands, and I can't see him being given huge funding to carry it out.
He must be desperate to manage in the PL, as I can't see him enhancing his reputation in his time at Palace.
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posted 10 minutes ago
Yeah, you'd have to say Nuno at this stage.
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Some real bitterness here
Rafa will never be accepted even if he matches Carlo DVD 4 wins in a row from last season.
Has to be Nuno.
Keep hearing that phrase "not what they need"
First, how would the poster know what Spurs need, whilst sitting at his desk at his Accountants firm ?
Why do people instantly make some sort of connection between Nuno and Spurs and come up with "he's the wrong fit" The guy hasn't even seen his office yet, much less worked with the players.
For me, anyone is an improvement on the last toxic disaster, and think everyone should, first be happy we now have a manager, and just chill a bit and see how this appointment moves forward.
We have been a constant media laughing stock since Jose sacking, and hopefully they can now turn their attention to something else. Even if it's the Utd / Sancho saga that gets us out of the constant headlines.
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 2 minutes ago
Keep hearing that phrase "not what they need"
First, how would the poster know what Spurs need, whilst sitting at his desk at his Accountants firm ?
Why do people instantly make some sort of connection between Nuno and Spurs and come up with "he's the wrong fit" The guy hasn't even seen his office yet, much less worked with the players.
For me, anyone is an improvement on the last toxic disaster, and think everyone should, first be happy we now have a manager, and just chill a bit and see how this appointment moves forward.
We have been a constant media laughing stock since Jose sacking, and hopefully they can now turn their attention to something else. Even if it's the Utd / Sancho saga that gets us out of the constant headlines.
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Don’t necessarily disagree with you but I think the “not what they/we need” response to Nuno becoming the manager stems from A) Very public statement about wanting to return to the Spurs DNA which he defined and linked closely with free flowing football, which unless something drastic happens to his managerial approach is not going to happen and B) because he seems so clearly to be a fall back choice.
Ah best in the immediate aftermath of his appointment he is very much an underwhelming choice of new manager and also one who it seems that the club haven’t always been high on.
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comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 2 minutes ago
Keep hearing that phrase "not what they need"
First, how would the poster know what Spurs need, whilst sitting at his desk at his Accountants firm ?
Why do people instantly make some sort of connection between Nuno and Spurs and come up with "he's the wrong fit" The guy hasn't even seen his office yet, much less worked with the players.
For me, anyone is an improvement on the last toxic disaster, and think everyone should, first be happy we now have a manager, and just chill a bit and see how this appointment moves forward.
We have been a constant media laughing stock since Jose sacking, and hopefully they can now turn their attention to something else. Even if it's the Utd / Sancho saga that gets us out of the constant headlines.
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Don’t necessarily disagree with you but I think the “not what they/we need” response to Nuno becoming the manager stems from A) Very public statement about wanting to return to the Spurs DNA which he defined and linked closely with free flowing football, which unless something drastic happens to his managerial approach is not going to happen and B) because he seems so clearly to be a fall back choice.
Ah best in the immediate aftermath of his appointment he is very much an underwhelming choice of new manager and also one who it seems that the club haven’t always been high on.
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Its an opinion at the end of the day and a very popular one and its easy to see why. Shouldn't need pointing out why. Ofc he has every chance to prove us all wrong or w.e but at this moment it is what it is.
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comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rafa's clearly the best out of them not even a debate on that but imo also the best match, most suitable. Nunos not what Spurs need, Vieiras a gamble for Palace and against the model theyve survived in the prem for years with.
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I actually think that no matter how well Vieira does, Palace are going to struggle massively this season. He has such a massive rebuild on his hands, and I can't see him being given huge funding to carry it out.
He must be desperate to manage in the PL, as I can't see him enhancing his reputation in his time at Palace.
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Tough one, Woy did a good job with that lot and bailed at the right time. Its like you said a huge rebuild, but atleast he has Zaha and Eze so theres small hope. Have a feeling they will need their home support back too.
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Yeah, you'd have to say Nuno at this stage.
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Some real bitterness here
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Huh?
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Oh, because of Rafa? How is it bitterness. I love Rafa, sung his name for years after he left, even when he went to Chelsea... but in terms of coaching. The game has moved on and like Jose, Rafa remains stubborn in his approach. I think if it was anyone but Everton he would do an ok job. But he is now a safe pair of hands as opposed to a manager that will take a club like Everton to the next level.
Is that ok, or do you still think I'm bitter?
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Valid point and i don't disagree i just think Newcastle showed hes still got enough in him to succeed in todays game. Everton are heavily backed and their squad shows it. His issue will be getting the players to buy into his methods which are lets face it demanding and often negative/frustrating, and the fans onside.
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Yeah, you'd have to say Nuno at this stage.
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Some real bitterness here
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Huh?
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Oh, because of Rafa? How is it bitterness. I love Rafa, sung his name for years after he left, even when he went to Chelsea... but in terms of coaching. The game has moved on and like Jose, Rafa remains stubborn in his approach. I think if it was anyone but Everton he would do an ok job. But he is now a safe pair of hands as opposed to a manager that will take a club like Everton to the next level.
Is that ok, or do you still think I'm bitter?
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Nuno is a good manager, just not sure how he can been seen as a better manager than Rafa at this stage. I'm no fan of Rafa and his approach by the way
Can’t believe the negativity around Nuno, anyone would think you’d appointed Mary Berry
At least give the bloke a chance
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 31 minutes ago
Keep hearing that phrase "not what they need"
First, how would the poster know what Spurs need, whilst sitting at his desk at his Accountants firm ?
Why do people instantly make some sort of connection between Nuno and Spurs and come up with "he's the wrong fit" The guy hasn't even seen his office yet, much less worked with the players.
For me, anyone is an improvement on the last toxic disaster, and think everyone should, first be happy we now have a manager, and just chill a bit and see how this appointment moves forward.
We have been a constant media laughing stock since Jose sacking, and hopefully they can now turn their attention to something else. Even if it's the Utd / Sancho saga that gets us out of the constant headlines.
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Well said SteveF. It`s like the nonsensical DNA rubbish I keep hearing.
Three underwhelming managers. Benitez, you know what you get. Dull football, OK results. He might manage to scrape a Europa or Conference league position, but he won't be progressing the club.
Nuno isn't wanted at spurs because of his style. We've endured 18 months of Mourinho and just want to be able to enjoy football again. That said before Jimenez's injury he was doing very well at wolves. Hopefully with a higher standard of player he will be a bit more positive.
Vieira is an unknown entity. Big risk for Palace. Last time they did that the manager was gone after 4 games.
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Benitez is yesterday's man in the same way Jose was for us. There's something of the unknown in Vieira and even Nuno. We don't know what kind of system NES really prefers. We're all saying it will be three CBs but that may have been a move based on what he had to work with at Wolves. I'm hoping he can be a bit more expressive. I worry he will return to type though.
Vieira is such a huge, huge gamble. They're my tip for the drop next season. Inexperienced manager overseeing a major overhaul. The amount of players out of contract there is unreal. I don't think I've ever seen such a contractual mess at one club with so many players in their mid-thirties, no sell on value and players out of contract. Hodgson was right to leave when he did. I really don't know how they sort this if they have no money to spend.
Rafa will do well for them. He will get the backing of Moshiri and Usmanov in the transfer window and sign the right players for them.
A lot is made of Rafa's time at Newcastle, but he hasn't done that must better than Bruce. And they did spend money. They spent £40m on a striker to try keep him, yet he decided not to renew and left for China (anyone know how well he did there? As no one seems to say how he was there).
Patrick Viera is an unknown but he's had a patchy career so far. I Think Palace is the wrong place for him. Need a rebuild, players leaving or want out. Tough job.
Nuno probably is the best appointment of the lot. Done well with Wolves. Is a better man manager than Jose, well loved by players and fans at his previous club. Improved players under him. And he's done it more recently than the others on the list in the PL. The big thing against him is that Spurs have different aspirations and the way they want to play. He looks like a short term. Appointment though the others may be sacked before him.
Love the phrase, 'football has moved on'.
Like how?
From where, to where?
Do all managers now manage differently than before, and now all the same way?
Who are the current Spanish champions?
Does the current Athletic Madrid team in 2021, play that much differently than the Valencia team did in 2001?
Lazy nonsense, spoken by people to make it look as though they have some deep understanding of football, tactics, management style etc. 😅
Depends how you define best manager.If it's by trophies won then there is only one winner.If it's down to experience then again there's only one winner.If it is by style of football then you can't answer that until they've managed a number of games.
So what is the criteria you are using to determine how to measure which manager is the best?
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 18 minutes ago
Love the phrase, 'football has moved on'.
Like how?
From where, to where?
Do all managers now manage differently than before, and now all the same way?
Who are the current Spanish champions?
Does the current Athletic Madrid team in 2021, play that much differently than the Valencia team did in 2001?
Lazy nonsense, spoken by people to make it look as though they have some deep understanding of football, tactics, management style etc. 😅
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Well how else do you explain that every once great manager throughout history has found it harder the longer they've gone on? The only way to counter that is to refresh your coaching staff in the same way Ferguson did.
As far as I'm concerned football does move on. There's the tactical side that's become more fluid from the traditional 4-4-2 then there's there's fitness and sports science side that pretty much is responsible for Arsenal's success under Arsene Wenger in his early years. Players stopped drinking and started eating better. Those marginal gains are the fine details newer coaches are more hot on. There have been many criticisms of the fitness of our current squad, probably because Jose's methods are becoming outdated and outfought by more progressive hungry coaches. The same MIGHT apply to Benitez.
To say football doesn't move on is just absurd. I mean, have you seen the football from the Stanley Matthews era? It's night and day. If it's changed since then then it stands to reason that the 15/20 years since Benitez's success with Valencia and Liverpool would have seen a lot of change too.
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Rafa's clearly the best out of them not even a debate on that but imo also the best match, most suitable. Nunos not what Spurs need, Vieiras a gamble for Palace and against the model theyve survived in the prem for years with.
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comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rafa's clearly the best out of them not even a debate on that but imo also the best match, most suitable. Nunos not what Spurs need, Vieiras a gamble for Palace and against the model theyve survived in the prem for years with.
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I actually think that no matter how well Vieira does, Palace are going to struggle massively this season. He has such a massive rebuild on his hands, and I can't see him being given huge funding to carry it out.
He must be desperate to manage in the PL, as I can't see him enhancing his reputation in his time at Palace.
posted on 1/7/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 10 minutes ago
Yeah, you'd have to say Nuno at this stage.
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Some real bitterness here
posted on 1/7/21
Rafa will never be accepted even if he matches Carlo DVD 4 wins in a row from last season.
Has to be Nuno.
posted on 1/7/21
Keep hearing that phrase "not what they need"
First, how would the poster know what Spurs need, whilst sitting at his desk at his Accountants firm ?
Why do people instantly make some sort of connection between Nuno and Spurs and come up with "he's the wrong fit" The guy hasn't even seen his office yet, much less worked with the players.
For me, anyone is an improvement on the last toxic disaster, and think everyone should, first be happy we now have a manager, and just chill a bit and see how this appointment moves forward.
We have been a constant media laughing stock since Jose sacking, and hopefully they can now turn their attention to something else. Even if it's the Utd / Sancho saga that gets us out of the constant headlines.
posted on 1/7/21
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 2 minutes ago
Keep hearing that phrase "not what they need"
First, how would the poster know what Spurs need, whilst sitting at his desk at his Accountants firm ?
Why do people instantly make some sort of connection between Nuno and Spurs and come up with "he's the wrong fit" The guy hasn't even seen his office yet, much less worked with the players.
For me, anyone is an improvement on the last toxic disaster, and think everyone should, first be happy we now have a manager, and just chill a bit and see how this appointment moves forward.
We have been a constant media laughing stock since Jose sacking, and hopefully they can now turn their attention to something else. Even if it's the Utd / Sancho saga that gets us out of the constant headlines.
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Don’t necessarily disagree with you but I think the “not what they/we need” response to Nuno becoming the manager stems from A) Very public statement about wanting to return to the Spurs DNA which he defined and linked closely with free flowing football, which unless something drastic happens to his managerial approach is not going to happen and B) because he seems so clearly to be a fall back choice.
Ah best in the immediate aftermath of his appointment he is very much an underwhelming choice of new manager and also one who it seems that the club haven’t always been high on.
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comment by Crazy Diamond (U22631)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 2 minutes ago
Keep hearing that phrase "not what they need"
First, how would the poster know what Spurs need, whilst sitting at his desk at his Accountants firm ?
Why do people instantly make some sort of connection between Nuno and Spurs and come up with "he's the wrong fit" The guy hasn't even seen his office yet, much less worked with the players.
For me, anyone is an improvement on the last toxic disaster, and think everyone should, first be happy we now have a manager, and just chill a bit and see how this appointment moves forward.
We have been a constant media laughing stock since Jose sacking, and hopefully they can now turn their attention to something else. Even if it's the Utd / Sancho saga that gets us out of the constant headlines.
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Don’t necessarily disagree with you but I think the “not what they/we need” response to Nuno becoming the manager stems from A) Very public statement about wanting to return to the Spurs DNA which he defined and linked closely with free flowing football, which unless something drastic happens to his managerial approach is not going to happen and B) because he seems so clearly to be a fall back choice.
Ah best in the immediate aftermath of his appointment he is very much an underwhelming choice of new manager and also one who it seems that the club haven’t always been high on.
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Its an opinion at the end of the day and a very popular one and its easy to see why. Shouldn't need pointing out why. Ofc he has every chance to prove us all wrong or w.e but at this moment it is what it is.
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comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rafa's clearly the best out of them not even a debate on that but imo also the best match, most suitable. Nunos not what Spurs need, Vieiras a gamble for Palace and against the model theyve survived in the prem for years with.
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I actually think that no matter how well Vieira does, Palace are going to struggle massively this season. He has such a massive rebuild on his hands, and I can't see him being given huge funding to carry it out.
He must be desperate to manage in the PL, as I can't see him enhancing his reputation in his time at Palace.
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Tough one, Woy did a good job with that lot and bailed at the right time. Its like you said a huge rebuild, but atleast he has Zaha and Eze so theres small hope. Have a feeling they will need their home support back too.
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Yeah, you'd have to say Nuno at this stage.
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Some real bitterness here
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Huh?
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Oh, because of Rafa? How is it bitterness. I love Rafa, sung his name for years after he left, even when he went to Chelsea... but in terms of coaching. The game has moved on and like Jose, Rafa remains stubborn in his approach. I think if it was anyone but Everton he would do an ok job. But he is now a safe pair of hands as opposed to a manager that will take a club like Everton to the next level.
Is that ok, or do you still think I'm bitter?
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Valid point and i don't disagree i just think Newcastle showed hes still got enough in him to succeed in todays game. Everton are heavily backed and their squad shows it. His issue will be getting the players to buy into his methods which are lets face it demanding and often negative/frustrating, and the fans onside.
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Yeah, you'd have to say Nuno at this stage.
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Some real bitterness here
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Huh?
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Oh, because of Rafa? How is it bitterness. I love Rafa, sung his name for years after he left, even when he went to Chelsea... but in terms of coaching. The game has moved on and like Jose, Rafa remains stubborn in his approach. I think if it was anyone but Everton he would do an ok job. But he is now a safe pair of hands as opposed to a manager that will take a club like Everton to the next level.
Is that ok, or do you still think I'm bitter?
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Nuno is a good manager, just not sure how he can been seen as a better manager than Rafa at this stage. I'm no fan of Rafa and his approach by the way
posted on 1/7/21
Can’t believe the negativity around Nuno, anyone would think you’d appointed Mary Berry
At least give the bloke a chance
posted on 1/7/21
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 31 minutes ago
Keep hearing that phrase "not what they need"
First, how would the poster know what Spurs need, whilst sitting at his desk at his Accountants firm ?
Why do people instantly make some sort of connection between Nuno and Spurs and come up with "he's the wrong fit" The guy hasn't even seen his office yet, much less worked with the players.
For me, anyone is an improvement on the last toxic disaster, and think everyone should, first be happy we now have a manager, and just chill a bit and see how this appointment moves forward.
We have been a constant media laughing stock since Jose sacking, and hopefully they can now turn their attention to something else. Even if it's the Utd / Sancho saga that gets us out of the constant headlines.
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Well said SteveF. It`s like the nonsensical DNA rubbish I keep hearing.
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Three underwhelming managers. Benitez, you know what you get. Dull football, OK results. He might manage to scrape a Europa or Conference league position, but he won't be progressing the club.
Nuno isn't wanted at spurs because of his style. We've endured 18 months of Mourinho and just want to be able to enjoy football again. That said before Jimenez's injury he was doing very well at wolves. Hopefully with a higher standard of player he will be a bit more positive.
Vieira is an unknown entity. Big risk for Palace. Last time they did that the manager was gone after 4 games.
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More Vieira love please
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Benitez is yesterday's man in the same way Jose was for us. There's something of the unknown in Vieira and even Nuno. We don't know what kind of system NES really prefers. We're all saying it will be three CBs but that may have been a move based on what he had to work with at Wolves. I'm hoping he can be a bit more expressive. I worry he will return to type though.
Vieira is such a huge, huge gamble. They're my tip for the drop next season. Inexperienced manager overseeing a major overhaul. The amount of players out of contract there is unreal. I don't think I've ever seen such a contractual mess at one club with so many players in their mid-thirties, no sell on value and players out of contract. Hodgson was right to leave when he did. I really don't know how they sort this if they have no money to spend.
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Rafa will do well for them. He will get the backing of Moshiri and Usmanov in the transfer window and sign the right players for them.
posted on 1/7/21
A lot is made of Rafa's time at Newcastle, but he hasn't done that must better than Bruce. And they did spend money. They spent £40m on a striker to try keep him, yet he decided not to renew and left for China (anyone know how well he did there? As no one seems to say how he was there).
Patrick Viera is an unknown but he's had a patchy career so far. I Think Palace is the wrong place for him. Need a rebuild, players leaving or want out. Tough job.
Nuno probably is the best appointment of the lot. Done well with Wolves. Is a better man manager than Jose, well loved by players and fans at his previous club. Improved players under him. And he's done it more recently than the others on the list in the PL. The big thing against him is that Spurs have different aspirations and the way they want to play. He looks like a short term. Appointment though the others may be sacked before him.
posted on 1/7/21
Love the phrase, 'football has moved on'.
Like how?
From where, to where?
Do all managers now manage differently than before, and now all the same way?
Who are the current Spanish champions?
Does the current Athletic Madrid team in 2021, play that much differently than the Valencia team did in 2001?
Lazy nonsense, spoken by people to make it look as though they have some deep understanding of football, tactics, management style etc. 😅
posted on 1/7/21
Depends how you define best manager.If it's by trophies won then there is only one winner.If it's down to experience then again there's only one winner.If it is by style of football then you can't answer that until they've managed a number of games.
So what is the criteria you are using to determine how to measure which manager is the best?
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comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 18 minutes ago
Love the phrase, 'football has moved on'.
Like how?
From where, to where?
Do all managers now manage differently than before, and now all the same way?
Who are the current Spanish champions?
Does the current Athletic Madrid team in 2021, play that much differently than the Valencia team did in 2001?
Lazy nonsense, spoken by people to make it look as though they have some deep understanding of football, tactics, management style etc. 😅
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Well how else do you explain that every once great manager throughout history has found it harder the longer they've gone on? The only way to counter that is to refresh your coaching staff in the same way Ferguson did.
As far as I'm concerned football does move on. There's the tactical side that's become more fluid from the traditional 4-4-2 then there's there's fitness and sports science side that pretty much is responsible for Arsenal's success under Arsene Wenger in his early years. Players stopped drinking and started eating better. Those marginal gains are the fine details newer coaches are more hot on. There have been many criticisms of the fitness of our current squad, probably because Jose's methods are becoming outdated and outfought by more progressive hungry coaches. The same MIGHT apply to Benitez.
To say football doesn't move on is just absurd. I mean, have you seen the football from the Stanley Matthews era? It's night and day. If it's changed since then then it stands to reason that the 15/20 years since Benitez's success with Valencia and Liverpool would have seen a lot of change too.
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