Some folk just want to moan about stuff under the guise of civil liberties. It’s like the swampy woke warriors that go on every march just to girfuy the establishment.
Everyone can get it now so there’s no excuse
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Would be a very good decision for the club to only let the vaccinated in (once everyone has had the opportunity). Hopefully pubs, restaurants etc do the same. Keep the conspiracy nuts out.
no more leaving the bluecoats boozer 10 mins before kick off for me then
My only problem is if all restrictions have supposedly been lifted, why are restrictions to certain events still going to be in place?
It is either safe to attend a capacity attendance stadium or it is not? Not sure why we would still have to show that you have been vaccinated?
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
My only problem is if all restrictions have supposedly been lifted, why are restrictions to certain events still going to be in place?
It is either safe to attend a capacity attendance stadium or it is not? Not sure why we would still have to show that you have been vaccinated?
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Why did the infection numbers rise during the Euros then fall after it? Why did that peak happen sooner in Scotland?
I think it largely makes sense and might be the only way you get through to to some morons. That being said, there are a section of the population who aren't able to have the covid vaccine as well as kids so I'm not sure how you accommodate those groups.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
My only problem is if all restrictions have supposedly been lifted, why are restrictions to certain events still going to be in place?
It is either safe to attend a capacity attendance stadium or it is not? Not sure why we would still have to show that you have been vaccinated?
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Why did the infection numbers rise during the Euros then fall after it? Why did that peak happen sooner in Scotland?
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So if it is clearly not safe to go to matches, why not just wait until it is?
I find it harsh why some people slate those choosing not to have the vaccine. I'm not anti vaccine, but I currently have chosen not to have the vaccine so far. That may change in the future, but currently I'm not going to have it.
Why should that stop me doing things? Those jabbed are exactly that, jabbed. Therefore, if you feel "protected" then why worry. We still know those vaccinated pass it on, just less likely to be seriously ill from covid. Infact, as much as anyone says otherwise, I am not convinced those vaccinated reduce infection rates whatsoever.
The way this government is going about getting people to have the vaccine is clever. Looking at the age groups for those with fewer vaccinated and make it mandatory for them to attend things that those in the age group want to do. They said it would never be compulsory, yet it sort of is.
I don't understand why testing isn't used as an alternative to being vaccinated.
People have bene conditioned to feel that if they are vaccinated that they are superior to those who aren't. Been conditioned to thinking those not vaccinated are selfish.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
I find it harsh why some people slate those choosing not to have the vaccine. I'm not anti vaccine, but I currently have chosen not to have the vaccine so far. That may change in the future, but currently I'm not going to have it.
Why should that stop me doing things? Those jabbed are exactly that, jabbed. Therefore, if you feel "protected" then why worry. We still know those vaccinated pass it on, just less likely to be seriously ill from covid. Infact, as much as anyone says otherwise, I am not convinced those vaccinated reduce infection rates whatsoever.
The way this government is going about getting people to have the vaccine is clever. Looking at the age groups for those with fewer vaccinated and make it mandatory for them to attend things that those in the age group want to do. They said it would never be compulsory, yet it sort of is.
I don't understand why testing isn't used as an alternative to being vaccinated.
People have bene conditioned to feel that if they are vaccinated that they are superior to those who aren't. Been conditioned to thinking those not vaccinated are selfish.
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Bake em. I agree I don`t think people should be forced to have a vaccine. But how will it affect you getting into WHL if you have not had the jabs, when it seems the requirement will be to have had both vaccines to get entry. Seems a bit unfair. Nothing is going to be 100 per cent safe, so don`t see much difference with just lifting all the restrictions if they think now is the right time. And that will include entry whether you have been vaccinated or not.
I appreciate that you are hesitant mate but if all healthy adults get fully vaxxed then it is the only way we can try and put this all behind us.
If healthy adults don't get fully vaxxed then covid will continue to rip through society and increase the chances of a new vaccine dodging variant being created - that would take us back to square one.
Full vaccinated people are:
1. Significantly less likely to get covid
2. Significantly less likely to be hospitalized and/or die from covid.
3. Significantly less likely to pass it on to others
Ultimately by getting fully vaxxed you are lowering your own chances of serious illness or death and more importantly helping those who can't get the jab for medical reasons to be enjoy similar benefits.
I think there are civil liberty issues with the covid vaccines but I also think it's going to be the only way to get through to the last people holding out for whatever reason
Sorry, that was for Bake 'em not the OP
I'm double jabbed, so not involved directly.
But, we were promised no vaccine passports. And what we are effectively talking about here is forced medical intervention. Unless you have this medical procedure no more holidays, pubs n clubs, no more concerts or sports events.
Is everyone OK with that? Because I'm not.
Where do we start and where do we stop? Next up compulsory sterilisation for the unemployed and then maybe bans on purchasing certain foods for the fatty brigade. Alcohol is bad, let's ban that.
Once you let the government decide what we all medically need you are on a nasty slippery slope.
Huddlestone's Afro
All your points are correct.
We should be encouraging everyone to get jabbed.
Just can't agree with this coercion and effectively enforced compliance.
And don't get me started on Social Care staff being forced to get the vaccine.
Oh well why them and not NHS staff? Simple it makes the government look like they are doing something and they haven't got to deal with the much more powerfully unionised NHS. There is no point in forcing one set of staff and not the other apart from it being gesture politics.
Anybody who refuses to have the vaccine (without a medical reason not to), should be taken out and immediately shot.
The science says the vaccine reduces the risk of passing the virus on to others, and so by having it you are protecting yourself as well as others. Anybody refusing it, is just an inconsiderate bar steward and needs removing from the gene pool.
Billy
That's a valid opinion and I myself have happily had my two doses.
But do you really want to live in a country that mandates medical treatment?
Compulsory abortion for those the state thinks are stupid or poor? Compulsory gastric bands for salad dodgers? Compulsory Prozac for everyone to keep us compliant?
On Covid this may seem sensible, but it is crossing a very important line.
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Huddlestone's Afro
All your points are correct.
We should be encouraging everyone to get jabbed.
Just can't agree with this coercion and effectively enforced compliance.
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I do agree, it's weird and feels like a slippery slope and goes against my instincts. The thing is, I struggle to find an alternative that encourages those who are able to get vaccinated, to get vaccinated.
Nobody wants to force needles in arms but there's a greater good argument that just falls on deaf ears. If this was even 10% more deadly then people wouldn't be hesitating but because half the media has been playing down the disease for the past 18 months it's infinitely more difficult.
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Unless you have a specific medical reason and a doctor says you shouldn't have it there is literally no rational reason not to have this jab.
This nonsense about it being rushed etc makes me laugh. You would rather be exposed to a virus which we don't know much about the long term effects than a vaccine which has been worked on tirelessly by the best science has to offer and has been used on over a billion people?
If people want to be ignorant that's up to them. But I am all for vaccine passports (once everyone has had the opportunity to be jabbed twice). I would suggest children and those genuinely unable to take the jab would be except.
But the uneducated who refuse to take the jab deserve to be left on the sidelines.
Lamela
So should fat people, smokers, drinkers and everyone else who doesn't do what is clearly the best health option "be left on the sidelines" as well?
They all know the facts, but continue with their negative health choices. Is it just Covid or do you wish to push your we know what's best for you health agenda more generally?
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 21 seconds ago
Lamela
So should fat people, smokers, drinkers and everyone else who doesn't do what is clearly the best health option "be left on the sidelines" as well?
They all know the facts, but continue with their negative health choices. Is it just Covid or do you wish to push your we know what's best for you health agenda more generally?
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Those are different examples because their health choices don’t directly affect the person sitting next to them.
Robb
Yes they do, the tax burden on the state for a start.
Plus, right or wrong once we establish that the government can control our medical decisions the precedent has been set.
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 5 seconds ago
Robb
Yes they do, the tax burden on the state for a start.
Plus, right or wrong once we establish that the government can control our medical decisions the precedent has been set.
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You can raise taxes on fatty food though. Or cigarettes etc. The world is in a pandemic and variants are spreading like wildfire amongst the young unvaccinated. No one loves the idea of vaccine passports but if they’re the only way to get younger people to get vaccinated it’s a necessary evil.
I understand the slippery slope argument but a level of trust is important here. That scary times call for ‘scary’ measures. Saying that, I do think some medical decisions made by higher ups have worked. Like banning smoking indoors for one. And raising taxes for sugary drinks. Things like that only have positive benefits.
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posted on 27/7/21
Some folk just want to moan about stuff under the guise of civil liberties. It’s like the swampy woke warriors that go on every march just to girfuy the establishment.
posted on 27/7/21
Everyone can get it now so there’s no excuse
posted on 27/7/21
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posted on 27/7/21
Would be a very good decision for the club to only let the vaccinated in (once everyone has had the opportunity). Hopefully pubs, restaurants etc do the same. Keep the conspiracy nuts out.
posted on 27/7/21
no more leaving the bluecoats boozer 10 mins before kick off for me then
posted on 27/7/21
My only problem is if all restrictions have supposedly been lifted, why are restrictions to certain events still going to be in place?
It is either safe to attend a capacity attendance stadium or it is not? Not sure why we would still have to show that you have been vaccinated?
posted on 27/7/21
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
My only problem is if all restrictions have supposedly been lifted, why are restrictions to certain events still going to be in place?
It is either safe to attend a capacity attendance stadium or it is not? Not sure why we would still have to show that you have been vaccinated?
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Why did the infection numbers rise during the Euros then fall after it? Why did that peak happen sooner in Scotland?
posted on 28/7/21
I think it largely makes sense and might be the only way you get through to to some morons. That being said, there are a section of the population who aren't able to have the covid vaccine as well as kids so I'm not sure how you accommodate those groups.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
My only problem is if all restrictions have supposedly been lifted, why are restrictions to certain events still going to be in place?
It is either safe to attend a capacity attendance stadium or it is not? Not sure why we would still have to show that you have been vaccinated?
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Why did the infection numbers rise during the Euros then fall after it? Why did that peak happen sooner in Scotland?
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So if it is clearly not safe to go to matches, why not just wait until it is?
posted on 28/7/21
I find it harsh why some people slate those choosing not to have the vaccine. I'm not anti vaccine, but I currently have chosen not to have the vaccine so far. That may change in the future, but currently I'm not going to have it.
Why should that stop me doing things? Those jabbed are exactly that, jabbed. Therefore, if you feel "protected" then why worry. We still know those vaccinated pass it on, just less likely to be seriously ill from covid. Infact, as much as anyone says otherwise, I am not convinced those vaccinated reduce infection rates whatsoever.
The way this government is going about getting people to have the vaccine is clever. Looking at the age groups for those with fewer vaccinated and make it mandatory for them to attend things that those in the age group want to do. They said it would never be compulsory, yet it sort of is.
I don't understand why testing isn't used as an alternative to being vaccinated.
People have bene conditioned to feel that if they are vaccinated that they are superior to those who aren't. Been conditioned to thinking those not vaccinated are selfish.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
I find it harsh why some people slate those choosing not to have the vaccine. I'm not anti vaccine, but I currently have chosen not to have the vaccine so far. That may change in the future, but currently I'm not going to have it.
Why should that stop me doing things? Those jabbed are exactly that, jabbed. Therefore, if you feel "protected" then why worry. We still know those vaccinated pass it on, just less likely to be seriously ill from covid. Infact, as much as anyone says otherwise, I am not convinced those vaccinated reduce infection rates whatsoever.
The way this government is going about getting people to have the vaccine is clever. Looking at the age groups for those with fewer vaccinated and make it mandatory for them to attend things that those in the age group want to do. They said it would never be compulsory, yet it sort of is.
I don't understand why testing isn't used as an alternative to being vaccinated.
People have bene conditioned to feel that if they are vaccinated that they are superior to those who aren't. Been conditioned to thinking those not vaccinated are selfish.
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Bake em. I agree I don`t think people should be forced to have a vaccine. But how will it affect you getting into WHL if you have not had the jabs, when it seems the requirement will be to have had both vaccines to get entry. Seems a bit unfair. Nothing is going to be 100 per cent safe, so don`t see much difference with just lifting all the restrictions if they think now is the right time. And that will include entry whether you have been vaccinated or not.
posted on 28/7/21
I appreciate that you are hesitant mate but if all healthy adults get fully vaxxed then it is the only way we can try and put this all behind us.
If healthy adults don't get fully vaxxed then covid will continue to rip through society and increase the chances of a new vaccine dodging variant being created - that would take us back to square one.
Full vaccinated people are:
1. Significantly less likely to get covid
2. Significantly less likely to be hospitalized and/or die from covid.
3. Significantly less likely to pass it on to others
Ultimately by getting fully vaxxed you are lowering your own chances of serious illness or death and more importantly helping those who can't get the jab for medical reasons to be enjoy similar benefits.
I think there are civil liberty issues with the covid vaccines but I also think it's going to be the only way to get through to the last people holding out for whatever reason
posted on 28/7/21
Sorry, that was for Bake 'em not the OP
posted on 28/7/21
I'm double jabbed, so not involved directly.
But, we were promised no vaccine passports. And what we are effectively talking about here is forced medical intervention. Unless you have this medical procedure no more holidays, pubs n clubs, no more concerts or sports events.
Is everyone OK with that? Because I'm not.
Where do we start and where do we stop? Next up compulsory sterilisation for the unemployed and then maybe bans on purchasing certain foods for the fatty brigade. Alcohol is bad, let's ban that.
Once you let the government decide what we all medically need you are on a nasty slippery slope.
posted on 28/7/21
Huddlestone's Afro
All your points are correct.
We should be encouraging everyone to get jabbed.
Just can't agree with this coercion and effectively enforced compliance.
posted on 28/7/21
And don't get me started on Social Care staff being forced to get the vaccine.
Oh well why them and not NHS staff? Simple it makes the government look like they are doing something and they haven't got to deal with the much more powerfully unionised NHS. There is no point in forcing one set of staff and not the other apart from it being gesture politics.
posted on 28/7/21
Anybody who refuses to have the vaccine (without a medical reason not to), should be taken out and immediately shot.
The science says the vaccine reduces the risk of passing the virus on to others, and so by having it you are protecting yourself as well as others. Anybody refusing it, is just an inconsiderate bar steward and needs removing from the gene pool.
posted on 28/7/21
Billy
That's a valid opinion and I myself have happily had my two doses.
But do you really want to live in a country that mandates medical treatment?
Compulsory abortion for those the state thinks are stupid or poor? Compulsory gastric bands for salad dodgers? Compulsory Prozac for everyone to keep us compliant?
On Covid this may seem sensible, but it is crossing a very important line.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Huddlestone's Afro
All your points are correct.
We should be encouraging everyone to get jabbed.
Just can't agree with this coercion and effectively enforced compliance.
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I do agree, it's weird and feels like a slippery slope and goes against my instincts. The thing is, I struggle to find an alternative that encourages those who are able to get vaccinated, to get vaccinated.
Nobody wants to force needles in arms but there's a greater good argument that just falls on deaf ears. If this was even 10% more deadly then people wouldn't be hesitating but because half the media has been playing down the disease for the past 18 months it's infinitely more difficult.
posted on 28/7/21
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posted on 28/7/21
Unless you have a specific medical reason and a doctor says you shouldn't have it there is literally no rational reason not to have this jab.
This nonsense about it being rushed etc makes me laugh. You would rather be exposed to a virus which we don't know much about the long term effects than a vaccine which has been worked on tirelessly by the best science has to offer and has been used on over a billion people?
If people want to be ignorant that's up to them. But I am all for vaccine passports (once everyone has had the opportunity to be jabbed twice). I would suggest children and those genuinely unable to take the jab would be except.
But the uneducated who refuse to take the jab deserve to be left on the sidelines.
posted on 28/7/21
Lamela
So should fat people, smokers, drinkers and everyone else who doesn't do what is clearly the best health option "be left on the sidelines" as well?
They all know the facts, but continue with their negative health choices. Is it just Covid or do you wish to push your we know what's best for you health agenda more generally?
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 21 seconds ago
Lamela
So should fat people, smokers, drinkers and everyone else who doesn't do what is clearly the best health option "be left on the sidelines" as well?
They all know the facts, but continue with their negative health choices. Is it just Covid or do you wish to push your we know what's best for you health agenda more generally?
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Those are different examples because their health choices don’t directly affect the person sitting next to them.
posted on 28/7/21
Robb
Yes they do, the tax burden on the state for a start.
Plus, right or wrong once we establish that the government can control our medical decisions the precedent has been set.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 5 seconds ago
Robb
Yes they do, the tax burden on the state for a start.
Plus, right or wrong once we establish that the government can control our medical decisions the precedent has been set.
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You can raise taxes on fatty food though. Or cigarettes etc. The world is in a pandemic and variants are spreading like wildfire amongst the young unvaccinated. No one loves the idea of vaccine passports but if they’re the only way to get younger people to get vaccinated it’s a necessary evil.
I understand the slippery slope argument but a level of trust is important here. That scary times call for ‘scary’ measures. Saying that, I do think some medical decisions made by higher ups have worked. Like banning smoking indoors for one. And raising taxes for sugary drinks. Things like that only have positive benefits.
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