Nah don't be so over reactionary, the whole squad doesn't need replacing.
We just need new strikers, a mobile midfielder to partner Partey and probably a right back. In other words we just need a better spine, if we get that things could easily improve.
Look there is a reason why the most important hire at any football club is the Manager.
There is something to be said for missing Partey, Odegaard, White, Gabriel, Aubameyang (half fit), Lacazette and more. There are deep, deep problems, but look at how Liverpool fell apart without Van Dijk. We're missing our entire spine.
Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
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Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
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No I don't. I think Chelsea are stronger than us regardless. I think we may have put up much more of a fight, however.
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Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
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No I don't. I think Chelsea are stronger than us regardless. I think we may have put up much more of a fight, however.
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We beat a similar Chelsea team (apart from Lukaku) managed by Lampard. Kinda shows what difference a good manager makes.
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comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
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No I don't. I think Chelsea are stronger than us regardless. I think we may have put up much more of a fight, however.
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We beat a similar Chelsea team (apart from Lukaku) managed by Lampard. Kinda shows what difference a good manager makes.
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Then perhaps we would have beaten them with our spine on the pitch, you've convinced me.
Really hope we manage to get at least a right back in.
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posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
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No I don't. I think Chelsea are stronger than us regardless. I think we may have put up much more of a fight, however.
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We beat a similar Chelsea team (apart from Lukaku) managed by Lampard. Kinda shows what difference a good manager makes.
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Then perhaps we would have beaten them with our spine on the pitch, you've convinced me.
Really hope we manage to get at least a right back in.
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With a better manager I think the squad is good enough to finish in the European positions.
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posted 7 minutes ago
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posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
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No I don't. I think Chelsea are stronger than us regardless. I think we may have put up much more of a fight, however.
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We beat a similar Chelsea team (apart from Lukaku) managed by Lampard. Kinda shows what difference a good manager makes.
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Then perhaps we would have beaten them with our spine on the pitch, you've convinced me.
Really hope we manage to get at least a right back in.
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With a better manager I think the squad is good enough to finish in the European positions.
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I don't disagree. Though coronavirus is going to make this season particularly screwy. You know I put a lot of faith in Odegaard, he should be available for city right? It's a shame Gabriel is still not available. This time last year he looked genuine WC potential.
The problem is, as Lampard showed that it doesn't matter how good your squad is on paper, a poor manager will scupper your efforts. Until we change manager you won't see the best of Odegaard or anyone else.
Honestly, whilst I do agree Arteta is not doing the best job, I think the gap between triumph and disaster is smaller than you realise. I still maintain Arteta's largest failings come down to his coaching staff.
Arteta's coaching setup is part of his management. You cannot separate the two which is why Arteta has preferred to get rid of Leno rather than Inaki Cana. Whenever we hire the next manager he will come with own coaching staff. So when people talk of Conte or Rodgers its implicit that their coaches come with them.
I think this the mistake made by KSE. They took Arteta from Man City setup without understanding that what makes them great was never Arteta individually but Pep and his coaching staff who have mostly followed him from Barca to Bayern to City. Arteta was just a part of that and looking at how we've looked for the past 2 years, not a very big part.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
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Arteta's coaching setup is part of his management. You cannot separate the two which is why Arteta has preferred to get rid of Leno rather than Inaki Cana. Whenever we hire the next manager he will come with own coaching staff. So when people talk of Conte or Rodgers its implicit that their coaches come with them.
I think this the mistake made by KSE. They took Arteta from Man City setup without understanding that what makes them great was never Arteta individually but Pep and his coaching staff who have mostly followed him from Barca to Bayern to City. Arteta was just a part of that and looking at how we've looked for the past 2 years, not a very big part.
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I think Arteta, individually, is genuinely an exceptional coach and showing himself as a good manager. You're right that you cannot fully separate a manager from their retinue, and I do wonder how much better he might be doing if he was able to develop one more organically. We have some members of this set up with truly atrocious CV's.
What has Arteta done to make you believe he is a genuinely exceptional coach?
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
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What has Arteta done to make you believe he is a genuinely exceptional coach?
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Mainly the reviews from his City days, the comments from his peers, the genuine improvement he's managed to get from Pepe and Saka. He seems best with wingers.
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
What has Arteta done to make you believe he is a genuinely exceptional coach?
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Mainly the reviews from his City days, the comments from his peers, the genuine improvement he's managed to get from Pepe and Saka. He seems best with wingers.
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Man City's U21 coach has been always credited for improving players which is why he took over from Arteta as Pep's no.2. Arteta was particularly praised for developing Sterling. But keep in mind Sterling was already a top player at Liverpool. So how much coaching did he require? Just like with Saka or ESR. How much work does it take improve players who are already exceptional talents? Keep in mind Emery spotted them and initially promoted them.
I look at players who do need developing, Saliba, Martinelli, Willock, Maitland-Niles, Nketiah, Nelson, Balogun. Arteta is trying to sell most of them or hardly plays them at all.
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posted on 22/8/21
posted on 22/8/21
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posted on 22/8/21
Nah don't be so over reactionary, the whole squad doesn't need replacing.
We just need new strikers, a mobile midfielder to partner Partey and probably a right back. In other words we just need a better spine, if we get that things could easily improve.
posted on 22/8/21
Look there is a reason why the most important hire at any football club is the Manager.
posted on 23/8/21
There is something to be said for missing Partey, Odegaard, White, Gabriel, Aubameyang (half fit), Lacazette and more. There are deep, deep problems, but look at how Liverpool fell apart without Van Dijk. We're missing our entire spine.
posted on 23/8/21
Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
posted on 23/8/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
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No I don't. I think Chelsea are stronger than us regardless. I think we may have put up much more of a fight, however.
posted on 23/8/21
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
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No I don't. I think Chelsea are stronger than us regardless. I think we may have put up much more of a fight, however.
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We beat a similar Chelsea team (apart from Lukaku) managed by Lampard. Kinda shows what difference a good manager makes.
posted on 23/8/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I don't. I think Chelsea are stronger than us regardless. I think we may have put up much more of a fight, however.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We beat a similar Chelsea team (apart from Lukaku) managed by Lampard. Kinda shows what difference a good manager makes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Then perhaps we would have beaten them with our spine on the pitch, you've convinced me.
Really hope we manage to get at least a right back in.
posted on 23/8/21
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I don't. I think Chelsea are stronger than us regardless. I think we may have put up much more of a fight, however.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We beat a similar Chelsea team (apart from Lukaku) managed by Lampard. Kinda shows what difference a good manager makes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Then perhaps we would have beaten them with our spine on the pitch, you've convinced me.
Really hope we manage to get at least a right back in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With a better manager I think the squad is good enough to finish in the European positions.
posted on 23/8/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
Giroulski
Do you honestly think the result would have been different if both club had their strongest team playing yesterday? Keep in mind we conceded both goals because of a tactical error by the manager?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I don't. I think Chelsea are stronger than us regardless. I think we may have put up much more of a fight, however.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We beat a similar Chelsea team (apart from Lukaku) managed by Lampard. Kinda shows what difference a good manager makes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Then perhaps we would have beaten them with our spine on the pitch, you've convinced me.
Really hope we manage to get at least a right back in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With a better manager I think the squad is good enough to finish in the European positions.
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I don't disagree. Though coronavirus is going to make this season particularly screwy. You know I put a lot of faith in Odegaard, he should be available for city right? It's a shame Gabriel is still not available. This time last year he looked genuine WC potential.
posted on 23/8/21
The problem is, as Lampard showed that it doesn't matter how good your squad is on paper, a poor manager will scupper your efforts. Until we change manager you won't see the best of Odegaard or anyone else.
posted on 23/8/21
Honestly, whilst I do agree Arteta is not doing the best job, I think the gap between triumph and disaster is smaller than you realise. I still maintain Arteta's largest failings come down to his coaching staff.
posted on 23/8/21
Arteta's coaching setup is part of his management. You cannot separate the two which is why Arteta has preferred to get rid of Leno rather than Inaki Cana. Whenever we hire the next manager he will come with own coaching staff. So when people talk of Conte or Rodgers its implicit that their coaches come with them.
I think this the mistake made by KSE. They took Arteta from Man City setup without understanding that what makes them great was never Arteta individually but Pep and his coaching staff who have mostly followed him from Barca to Bayern to City. Arteta was just a part of that and looking at how we've looked for the past 2 years, not a very big part.
posted on 23/8/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
Arteta's coaching setup is part of his management. You cannot separate the two which is why Arteta has preferred to get rid of Leno rather than Inaki Cana. Whenever we hire the next manager he will come with own coaching staff. So when people talk of Conte or Rodgers its implicit that their coaches come with them.
I think this the mistake made by KSE. They took Arteta from Man City setup without understanding that what makes them great was never Arteta individually but Pep and his coaching staff who have mostly followed him from Barca to Bayern to City. Arteta was just a part of that and looking at how we've looked for the past 2 years, not a very big part.
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I think Arteta, individually, is genuinely an exceptional coach and showing himself as a good manager. You're right that you cannot fully separate a manager from their retinue, and I do wonder how much better he might be doing if he was able to develop one more organically. We have some members of this set up with truly atrocious CV's.
posted on 23/8/21
What has Arteta done to make you believe he is a genuinely exceptional coach?
posted on 23/8/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
What has Arteta done to make you believe he is a genuinely exceptional coach?
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Mainly the reviews from his City days, the comments from his peers, the genuine improvement he's managed to get from Pepe and Saka. He seems best with wingers.
posted on 23/8/21
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
What has Arteta done to make you believe he is a genuinely exceptional coach?
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Mainly the reviews from his City days, the comments from his peers, the genuine improvement he's managed to get from Pepe and Saka. He seems best with wingers.
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Man City's U21 coach has been always credited for improving players which is why he took over from Arteta as Pep's no.2. Arteta was particularly praised for developing Sterling. But keep in mind Sterling was already a top player at Liverpool. So how much coaching did he require? Just like with Saka or ESR. How much work does it take improve players who are already exceptional talents? Keep in mind Emery spotted them and initially promoted them.
posted on 23/8/21
I look at players who do need developing, Saliba, Martinelli, Willock, Maitland-Niles, Nketiah, Nelson, Balogun. Arteta is trying to sell most of them or hardly plays them at all.
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