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International football that isn’t tournament finals is pure shieeete and therefore I couldn’t care less.
I did feel the need to comment though
Ignoring the manager, that was a poor performance, feel for Kyle Walker, thought he MoM until their goal and you see how annoyed he was being done by that turn.
That said, Phillips is a far better player than I knew on the basis of watching England's games (don't see a lot of Leeds) he was phenomenal.
Didn't watch it but I think the whole of St George's is consumed by navel gazing. Sure they have fabulous pitches and work being done on science, development, marginal gains but with that comes the psychology of the game and I believe their emphasis is on conveying trust in the (starting) group at the expense of winning games. Modern football is way more complex than that.
Anyway, I might also be talking scheite?
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 56 seconds ago
Didn't watch it but I think the whole of St George's is consumed by navel gazing. Sure they have fabulous pitches and work being done on science, development, marginal gains but with that comes the psychology of the game and I believe their emphasis is on conveying trust in the (starting) group at the expense of winning games. Modern football is way more complex than that.
Anyway, I might also be talking scheite?
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Yep
He really is the luckiest manager ever. Says and does the right things but tactically lacking, yet has ridden on a wave of luck in having fortunate draws, home tournaments and an abundance of very good players to work with.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
He really is the luckiest manager ever. Says and does the right things but tactically lacking, yet has ridden on a wave of luck in having fortunate draws, home tournaments and an abundance of very good players to work with.
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Agree with that...i feel he is extremely lucky, but, it wont last and his massive lack of tactical nous will get found out
Southgate has got England to a semi and a final. Whether you like him or not his credit is sky high.
Can't imagine any manager of the 10 outfield players is happy that no subs were made and that does come across as a bizarre decision.
https://twitter.com/6Thiagoat/status/1435713345856942080?s=20
The international Ole is a great description
In other news, Boris Johnson doesn't know what he's doing.
comment by RJC (U17308)
posted 2 minutes ago
Southgate has got England to a semi and a final. Whether you like him or not his credit is sky high.
Can't imagine any manager of the 10 outfield players is happy that no subs were made and that does come across as a bizarre decision.
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I honestly think many other past England managers would have done the same with the same circumstances and players to pick from.
I have heard people keep giving him credit for giving youth a chance, when the younger players are literally our best choices anyway.
comment by Bryãn's left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
In other news, Boris Johnson doesn't know what he's doing.
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Also heard that water is wet
comment by “GiVe HiM TiL nOvEmBeR” (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
The international Ole is a great description
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Seems fair, I see quite a lot of similarities.
We have another golden generation of talent but the manager is made of fool's gold.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
We have another golden generation of talent but the manager is made of fool's gold.
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I know....its like and English curse or something
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
He really is the luckiest manager ever. Says and does the right things but tactically lacking, yet has ridden on a wave of luck in having fortunate draws, home tournaments and an abundance of very good players to work with.
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Agree with that...i feel he is extremely lucky, but, it wont last and his massive lack of tactical nous will get found out
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Was talk today about him getting a contract beyond 2024 lol
Southgate's international cv looks very good on paper but his coaching deficiencies are shown up against sides with World class players.
When you analyse the crucial defeats against Croatia in the WC semi and losing to Italy on Penalties in the Euro final where we were hanging on until he reluctantly brought on Grealish far too late with only 20mins of extra time remaining, Southgate just looked tactically lost and a rabbit caught in the headlights.
Southgate in my opinion and thousands of others too, will never be a tournament winning manager because he isn't a risk taker. He might cautiously guide us to another WC semi but ultimately his negative approach will cost England and our most talented and capable International squad will be wasted.
The bottom line is we have the tools but Southgate doesn't know how to properly use them.
You can't argue with results but his managerial decision making is definitely not beyond critique.
comment by Macca: Emily Bishop's love child (U8194)
posted 9 hours, 48 minutes ago
Southgate's international cv looks very good on paper but his coaching deficiencies are shown up against sides with World class players.
When you analyse the crucial defeats against Croatia in the WC semi and losing to Italy on Penalties in the Euro final where we were hanging on until he reluctantly brought on Grealish far too late with only 20mins of extra time remaining, Southgate just looked tactically lost and a rabbit caught in the headlights.
Southgate in my opinion and thousands of others too, will never be a tournament winning manager because he isn't a risk taker. He might cautiously guide us to another WC semi but ultimately his negative approach will cost England and our most talented and capable International squad will be wasted.
The bottom line is we have the tools but Southgate doesn't know how to properly use them.
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That's the point I was trying to make. With all the resources available decisions are being made on analysis and not on instinct.
"Guys, I'm thinking of throwing on some subs?"
"Dunno, gaffer the sprints are still showing as meeting the intense level, the passing is still beyond the successful benchmark and the GPS data is still that the guys are OK."
"Oh well, we should leave it then - that's what the manual says, right?"
"Good decision, gaffer."
He's a robot beholden to the St George's way.
comment by Macca: Emily Bishop's love child (U8194)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
Southgate's international cv looks very good on paper but his coaching deficiencies are shown up against sides with World class players.
When you analyse the crucial defeats against Croatia in the WC semi and losing to Italy on Penalties in the Euro final where we were hanging on until he reluctantly brought on Grealish far too late with only 20mins of extra time remaining, Southgate just looked tactically lost and a rabbit caught in the headlights.
Southgate in my opinion and thousands of others too, will never be a tournament winning manager because he isn't a risk taker. He might cautiously guide us to another WC semi but ultimately his negative approach will cost England and our most talented and capable International squad will be wasted.
The bottom line is we have the tools but Southgate doesn't know how to properly use them.
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Macca spot on
It's Southgate's questionable and critical decision making that let's the national side down sometimes, such as the Italy defeat and last night.
Sometimes you have to make difficult decisions in games but you have to trust your players ultimately, I'm not sure he did that last night. Trying to be over-reliant on the Rice-Phillips combination will always backfire because, although they have been very good as a pair together under his leadership, it does need to change sometimes in games. They are not just a "one size fits all" pair.
Bottom line for me in that game was if Sterling actually had any sort of final ball, instead of running in to players after taking far too many touches, then it would have been comfortable.
The guy seems untouchable and yes, he has got on the end of a few crosses to tap the ball in but his approach play has been largely ineffective.
He is lauded for running at people but actually when this achieves no output then whats the point. You can see why there was talk of City being willing to sell him and why he was dropped a fair bit last season, the guy is too often, head down blinkers on.
Kane is not up to speed yet but his dropping deep is getting out of hand now. Its like he thinks he's in an audition for Pep....look at me, look how fluid my movement is, how dynamic i am, linking play, floating everywhere. Just get in the feckin box.
For me though this is symptomatic of the set up and style. It is all too neat and tidy to feet. Trying to work positions around the box, little one twos, trying to work it to the bye line for a cut back. Yes this can work but sometimes you just want a quality ball in, an early cross and a striker looking to get on the end this.
We are one dimensional and more often than not lacking pace to get in behind. Our approach need more variation and the complete lack of this was exposed by Italy who pinned us back and we offered nothing to break that hold as our neat & tidy possession was pressed into being utterly ineffective.
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by Macca: Emily Bishop's love child (U8194)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
Southgate's international cv looks very good on paper but his coaching deficiencies are shown up against sides with World class players.
When you analyse the crucial defeats against Croatia in the WC semi and losing to Italy on Penalties in the Euro final where we were hanging on until he reluctantly brought on Grealish far too late with only 20mins of extra time remaining, Southgate just looked tactically lost and a rabbit caught in the headlights.
Southgate in my opinion and thousands of others too, will never be a tournament winning manager because he isn't a risk taker. He might cautiously guide us to another WC semi but ultimately his negative approach will cost England and our most talented and capable International squad will be wasted.
The bottom line is we have the tools but Southgate doesn't know how to properly use them.
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Maccaspot on
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Is it?
I think this defence first approach is more likely to win a tournament and our placings at the last two tournaments back this up.
We rarely concede, even rarer that we lose, and so the criticism seems unfounded.
It's not great on the eye though, but that's a different conversation.
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Southgate...not good enough imo.
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posted on 8/9/21
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posted on 8/9/21
International football that isn’t tournament finals is pure shieeete and therefore I couldn’t care less.
I did feel the need to comment though
posted on 8/9/21
Ignoring the manager, that was a poor performance, feel for Kyle Walker, thought he MoM until their goal and you see how annoyed he was being done by that turn.
That said, Phillips is a far better player than I knew on the basis of watching England's games (don't see a lot of Leeds) he was phenomenal.
posted on 8/9/21
Didn't watch it but I think the whole of St George's is consumed by navel gazing. Sure they have fabulous pitches and work being done on science, development, marginal gains but with that comes the psychology of the game and I believe their emphasis is on conveying trust in the (starting) group at the expense of winning games. Modern football is way more complex than that.
Anyway, I might also be talking scheite?
posted on 8/9/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 56 seconds ago
Didn't watch it but I think the whole of St George's is consumed by navel gazing. Sure they have fabulous pitches and work being done on science, development, marginal gains but with that comes the psychology of the game and I believe their emphasis is on conveying trust in the (starting) group at the expense of winning games. Modern football is way more complex than that.
Anyway, I might also be talking scheite?
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Yep
posted on 8/9/21
He really is the luckiest manager ever. Says and does the right things but tactically lacking, yet has ridden on a wave of luck in having fortunate draws, home tournaments and an abundance of very good players to work with.
posted on 8/9/21
100% agree Spurtle
posted on 8/9/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
He really is the luckiest manager ever. Says and does the right things but tactically lacking, yet has ridden on a wave of luck in having fortunate draws, home tournaments and an abundance of very good players to work with.
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Agree with that...i feel he is extremely lucky, but, it wont last and his massive lack of tactical nous will get found out
posted on 8/9/21
Southgate has got England to a semi and a final. Whether you like him or not his credit is sky high.
Can't imagine any manager of the 10 outfield players is happy that no subs were made and that does come across as a bizarre decision.
posted on 8/9/21
https://twitter.com/6Thiagoat/status/1435713345856942080?s=20
posted on 8/9/21
The international Ole is a great description
posted on 8/9/21
In other news, Boris Johnson doesn't know what he's doing.
posted on 8/9/21
comment by RJC (U17308)
posted 2 minutes ago
Southgate has got England to a semi and a final. Whether you like him or not his credit is sky high.
Can't imagine any manager of the 10 outfield players is happy that no subs were made and that does come across as a bizarre decision.
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I honestly think many other past England managers would have done the same with the same circumstances and players to pick from.
I have heard people keep giving him credit for giving youth a chance, when the younger players are literally our best choices anyway.
posted on 8/9/21
comment by Bryãn's left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
In other news, Boris Johnson doesn't know what he's doing.
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Also heard that water is wet
posted on 8/9/21
comment by “GiVe HiM TiL nOvEmBeR” (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
The international Ole is a great description
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Seems fair, I see quite a lot of similarities.
posted on 8/9/21
We have another golden generation of talent but the manager is made of fool's gold.
posted on 8/9/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
We have another golden generation of talent but the manager is made of fool's gold.
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I know....its like and English curse or something
posted on 8/9/21
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
He really is the luckiest manager ever. Says and does the right things but tactically lacking, yet has ridden on a wave of luck in having fortunate draws, home tournaments and an abundance of very good players to work with.
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Agree with that...i feel he is extremely lucky, but, it wont last and his massive lack of tactical nous will get found out
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Was talk today about him getting a contract beyond 2024 lol
posted on 8/9/21
Southgate's international cv looks very good on paper but his coaching deficiencies are shown up against sides with World class players.
When you analyse the crucial defeats against Croatia in the WC semi and losing to Italy on Penalties in the Euro final where we were hanging on until he reluctantly brought on Grealish far too late with only 20mins of extra time remaining, Southgate just looked tactically lost and a rabbit caught in the headlights.
Southgate in my opinion and thousands of others too, will never be a tournament winning manager because he isn't a risk taker. He might cautiously guide us to another WC semi but ultimately his negative approach will cost England and our most talented and capable International squad will be wasted.
The bottom line is we have the tools but Southgate doesn't know how to properly use them.
posted on 9/9/21
You can't argue with results but his managerial decision making is definitely not beyond critique.
posted on 9/9/21
comment by Macca: Emily Bishop's love child (U8194)
posted 9 hours, 48 minutes ago
Southgate's international cv looks very good on paper but his coaching deficiencies are shown up against sides with World class players.
When you analyse the crucial defeats against Croatia in the WC semi and losing to Italy on Penalties in the Euro final where we were hanging on until he reluctantly brought on Grealish far too late with only 20mins of extra time remaining, Southgate just looked tactically lost and a rabbit caught in the headlights.
Southgate in my opinion and thousands of others too, will never be a tournament winning manager because he isn't a risk taker. He might cautiously guide us to another WC semi but ultimately his negative approach will cost England and our most talented and capable International squad will be wasted.
The bottom line is we have the tools but Southgate doesn't know how to properly use them.
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That's the point I was trying to make. With all the resources available decisions are being made on analysis and not on instinct.
"Guys, I'm thinking of throwing on some subs?"
"Dunno, gaffer the sprints are still showing as meeting the intense level, the passing is still beyond the successful benchmark and the GPS data is still that the guys are OK."
"Oh well, we should leave it then - that's what the manual says, right?"
"Good decision, gaffer."
He's a robot beholden to the St George's way.
posted on 9/9/21
comment by Macca: Emily Bishop's love child (U8194)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
Southgate's international cv looks very good on paper but his coaching deficiencies are shown up against sides with World class players.
When you analyse the crucial defeats against Croatia in the WC semi and losing to Italy on Penalties in the Euro final where we were hanging on until he reluctantly brought on Grealish far too late with only 20mins of extra time remaining, Southgate just looked tactically lost and a rabbit caught in the headlights.
Southgate in my opinion and thousands of others too, will never be a tournament winning manager because he isn't a risk taker. He might cautiously guide us to another WC semi but ultimately his negative approach will cost England and our most talented and capable International squad will be wasted.
The bottom line is we have the tools but Southgate doesn't know how to properly use them.
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Macca spot on
posted on 9/9/21
It's Southgate's questionable and critical decision making that let's the national side down sometimes, such as the Italy defeat and last night.
Sometimes you have to make difficult decisions in games but you have to trust your players ultimately, I'm not sure he did that last night. Trying to be over-reliant on the Rice-Phillips combination will always backfire because, although they have been very good as a pair together under his leadership, it does need to change sometimes in games. They are not just a "one size fits all" pair.
posted on 9/9/21
Bottom line for me in that game was if Sterling actually had any sort of final ball, instead of running in to players after taking far too many touches, then it would have been comfortable.
The guy seems untouchable and yes, he has got on the end of a few crosses to tap the ball in but his approach play has been largely ineffective.
He is lauded for running at people but actually when this achieves no output then whats the point. You can see why there was talk of City being willing to sell him and why he was dropped a fair bit last season, the guy is too often, head down blinkers on.
Kane is not up to speed yet but his dropping deep is getting out of hand now. Its like he thinks he's in an audition for Pep....look at me, look how fluid my movement is, how dynamic i am, linking play, floating everywhere. Just get in the feckin box.
For me though this is symptomatic of the set up and style. It is all too neat and tidy to feet. Trying to work positions around the box, little one twos, trying to work it to the bye line for a cut back. Yes this can work but sometimes you just want a quality ball in, an early cross and a striker looking to get on the end this.
We are one dimensional and more often than not lacking pace to get in behind. Our approach need more variation and the complete lack of this was exposed by Italy who pinned us back and we offered nothing to break that hold as our neat & tidy possession was pressed into being utterly ineffective.
posted on 9/9/21
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by Macca: Emily Bishop's love child (U8194)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
Southgate's international cv looks very good on paper but his coaching deficiencies are shown up against sides with World class players.
When you analyse the crucial defeats against Croatia in the WC semi and losing to Italy on Penalties in the Euro final where we were hanging on until he reluctantly brought on Grealish far too late with only 20mins of extra time remaining, Southgate just looked tactically lost and a rabbit caught in the headlights.
Southgate in my opinion and thousands of others too, will never be a tournament winning manager because he isn't a risk taker. He might cautiously guide us to another WC semi but ultimately his negative approach will cost England and our most talented and capable International squad will be wasted.
The bottom line is we have the tools but Southgate doesn't know how to properly use them.
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Maccaspot on
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Is it?
I think this defence first approach is more likely to win a tournament and our placings at the last two tournaments back this up.
We rarely concede, even rarer that we lose, and so the criticism seems unfounded.
It's not great on the eye though, but that's a different conversation.
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