The scientists involved in vaccine development and the standards of rigour and ethics required are some of the most groundbreaking achievements humanity has made. Do not let an idiot with a YouTube account ever undermine that.
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 1 minute ago
Folk are welcome to not get vaccinated, as is their personal choice. But to mislead others into it, through sensationalist quackery is at best the hight of ignorance and at it's worst utterly shameful opportunism.
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It's their condescending, morally superior attitude I can't stand.
This pandemic has given some of the stupidest people on the planet the chance to feel like experts and heroes.
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 1 minute ago
Folk are welcome to not get vaccinated, as is their personal choice. But to mislead others into it, through sensationalist quackery is at best the hight of ignorance and at it's worst utterly shameful opportunism.
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Admin🥺
I admire you. But we could have so much fun. 🥺
😂
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 28 seconds ago
Amazing how many times these kinds of things come out just before a cabinet reshuffle...
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Might be something I'm desperate to believe as I don't like him, but I never buy the 'youthful hi-jinks' theory.
The ease in which people are quickly brainwashed by online propaganda is incredible.
Here is the main point: the vaccine is very affective against the original version of vivid, I'm not disputing that. It gives you SPECIFIC antibodies that are more powerful than your bodies normal anibodies, however your bodies normal antibodies are NON SPECIFIC meaning that normall you would be protected against variety and other threats but this is now a permanent change in your body and variants will go through unchallenged due to these super specific antibodies.
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I really don't get this.
I mean, you don't clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about because this makes no sense. Why bother trying to pretend you do? I don't come on here trying to explain the facking multiverse theory to people.
Just shut the fack up and let us intelligent people do the thinking for you.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 11 minutes ago
Here is the main point: the vaccine is very affective against the original version of vivid, I'm not disputing that. It gives you SPECIFIC antibodies that are more powerful than your bodies normal anibodies, however your bodies normal antibodies are NON SPECIFIC meaning that normall you would be protected against variety and other threats but this is now a permanent change in your body and variants will go through unchallenged due to these super specific antibodies.
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I really don't get this.
I mean, you don't clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about because this makes no sense. Why bother trying to pretend you do? I don't come on here trying to explain the facking multiverse theory to people.
Just shut the fack up and let us intelligent people do the thinking for you.
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All well and good putting forward hypotheses ... but where is the clinical evidence to back up these claims that vaccines compromise a body's natural immune response?
Where is the proof that the covid (or any) specific antibody affects non-specific interaction?
The video is just some joker with a whiteboard making wild claims about how he thinks the immune system works.
If you tell a lie often enough people will believe it's the truth. I think that's an actual quote from one of Trump's business books.
Thankfully it's the gullible few in this case, but they make an incredible amount of noise.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 42 minutes ago
Here is the main point: the vaccine is very affective against the original version of vivid, I'm not disputing that. It gives you SPECIFIC antibodies that are more powerful than your bodies normal anibodies, however your bodies normal antibodies are NON SPECIFIC meaning that normall you would be protected against variety and other threats but this is now a permanent change in your body and variants will go through unchallenged due to these super specific antibodies.
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I really don't get this.
I mean, you don't clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about because this makes no sense. Why bother trying to pretend you do? I don't come on here trying to explain the facking multiverse theory to people.
Just shut the fack up and let us intelligent people do the thinking for you.
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lol
comment by Jalisco Red - ¡Viva Ronaldo! (U4195)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
This pandemic has given some of the stupidest people on the planet the chance to feel like experts and heroes.
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tbf ja606 did it first
Then you get the actually dangerous ones like Shemirani referrimg to nurses who carry out vaccinations as Naz is. People like that are going to get healthcare professionals hurt, she should have been prosecuted for that.
comment by The Gentleman. (U13709)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
OP YOU ARE COMPLICIT. SHAME ON YOU.
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Mate, I’m really sorry that this has happened to you, but Vanden Bossche’s arguments (and they haven’t changed) were completely taken apart months ago.
I’m not even going to start here, because I’ve posted the responses to his arguments - comprehensive, coherent responses made by multiple epidemiologists and virologists - when WUMs and cranks (the frequent flyers in this site that you really don’t want to be grouped with) have posted his interviews several times.
Even a cursory Google search will get you to your pick of multiple articles which will explain why Vanden Bossche’s concerns aren’t concerns that we should all share.
I defer once again to the great(est) David Hume:
“A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence… and should always reject the greater miracle.”
It was 30 fecking years ago ffs. Funny how lefty blebs will jump on this but will play down Abbot and Corbyn's pro-RA speeches. I can guarantee there will be people on here who used racist language in the youth that wouldn't dream of saying it now.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - ¡Viva Ronaldo! (U4195)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
This pandemic has given some of the stupidest people on the planet the chance to feel like experts and heroes.
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tbf ja606 did it first
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comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 56 seconds ago
It was 30 fecking years ago ffs. Funny how lefty blebs will jump on this but will play down Abbot and Corbyn's pro-RA speeches. I can guarantee there will be people on here who used racist language in the youth that wouldn't dream of saying it now.
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Plebs
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 56 seconds ago
It was 30 fecking years ago ffs. Funny how lefty blebs will jump on this but will play down Abbot and Corbyn's pro-RA speeches. I can guarantee there will be people on here who used racist language in the youth that wouldn't dream of saying it now.
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Plebs
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If you're happy with an elected representative saying Margaret Thatcher’s policies were a “new empire” where “the happy south stamps over the cruel, dirty, toothless face of the northerner”, and that gay people “thrive primarily upon short-term relations”, and that “It may be moral to keep an empire because the fuzzy-wuzzies can’t look after themselves." because it was in the early nineties I pity your poverty of thought.
You're giving yourself away with the standard reflex Corbyn retort as well - what's he got to do with what Michael Gove said, and what difference do your personal politics make to whether you think its alright for him to have said it? Are you suggesting left leaning people will be disgusted but right leaning people should support it? Really?
I'm sure Boris will be very proud hearing these revelations.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
I'm sure Boris will be very proud hearing these revelations.
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He'll be delighted. He surrounds himself with potential fall guys wherever he can to take the heat off him when he needs it. All he needs to be at any given time is the second biggest liability in the room and he'll be OK.
Are you suggesting left leaning people will be disgusted but right leaning people should support it? Really?
No, I’m suggesting that we all make mistakes but lefties on here pooh-pooh those mistakes made by the likes of Abbott. Abbott literally wanted the RA to win yet you lot were happy for her to be our Home Secretary.😂 Abbott is also a racist, she’s dropped her guard on a number of occasions.
I'm left-leaning and dislike Abbott's politics and her rhetoric. But it's quite typical of a streak of cynicism in right-wing politics today to use the 'the other side are just as bad, the other side are hypocrites' defence. If Gove's comments genuinely disgust you, there's always the option of condemning them, rather than making it a point about The Left.
Gove being a twunt isn't a surprise.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Are you suggesting left leaning people will be disgusted but right leaning people should support it? Really?
No, I’m suggesting that we all make mistakes but lefties on here pooh-pooh those mistakes made by the likes of Abbott. Abbott literally wanted the RA to win yet you lot were happy for her to be our Home Secretary.😂 Abbott is also a racist, she’s dropped her guard on a number of occasions.
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What have 'lefties', Diane Abbott or the I RA got to do with Michael Gove's views?
The deflect and attack approach is a bit transparent these days, not many people fall for it.
Forgetting all that, are you saying we should let this slide because (in your words) "we all make mistakes"?
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Are you suggesting left leaning people will be disgusted but right leaning people should support it? Really?
No, I’m suggesting that we all make mistakes but lefties on here pooh-pooh those mistakes made by the likes of Abbott. Abbott literally wanted the RA to win yet you lot were happy for her to be our Home Secretary.😂 Abbott is also a racist, she’s dropped her guard on a number of occasions.
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What have 'lefties', Diane Abbott or the I RA got to do with Michael Gove's views?
The deflect and attack approach is a bit transparent these days, not many people fall for it.
Forgetting all that, are you saying we should let this slide because (in your words) "we all make mistakes"?
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I don’t think a big deal should be made of it, I certainly don’t think it was worthy of a thread on football forum.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 minute ago
I don’t think a big deal should be made of it, I certainly don’t think it was worthy of a thread on football forum.
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There are many non-football threads on here, many political, why is this one not to be discussed?
I don’t think a big deal should be made of it, I certainly don’t think it was worthy of a thread on football forum.
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he's a person in a very high position in our government, who influences all our lives, and we now hear his disgusting views and your like ' no big deal'...move on etc.. Your mentality is exactly why players still take the knee because people are just not accepting blatant racism, shutting their mouths and cracking on with their day anymore.
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posted on 13/9/21
The scientists involved in vaccine development and the standards of rigour and ethics required are some of the most groundbreaking achievements humanity has made. Do not let an idiot with a YouTube account ever undermine that.
posted on 13/9/21
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 1 minute ago
Folk are welcome to not get vaccinated, as is their personal choice. But to mislead others into it, through sensationalist quackery is at best the hight of ignorance and at it's worst utterly shameful opportunism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's their condescending, morally superior attitude I can't stand.
This pandemic has given some of the stupidest people on the planet the chance to feel like experts and heroes.
posted on 13/9/21
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 1 minute ago
Folk are welcome to not get vaccinated, as is their personal choice. But to mislead others into it, through sensationalist quackery is at best the hight of ignorance and at it's worst utterly shameful opportunism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Admin🥺
I admire you. But we could have so much fun. 🥺
😂
posted on 13/9/21
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 28 seconds ago
Amazing how many times these kinds of things come out just before a cabinet reshuffle...
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Might be something I'm desperate to believe as I don't like him, but I never buy the 'youthful hi-jinks' theory.
posted on 13/9/21
The ease in which people are quickly brainwashed by online propaganda is incredible.
posted on 13/9/21
Here is the main point: the vaccine is very affective against the original version of vivid, I'm not disputing that. It gives you SPECIFIC antibodies that are more powerful than your bodies normal anibodies, however your bodies normal antibodies are NON SPECIFIC meaning that normall you would be protected against variety and other threats but this is now a permanent change in your body and variants will go through unchallenged due to these super specific antibodies.
------------------------------
I really don't get this.
I mean, you don't clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about because this makes no sense. Why bother trying to pretend you do? I don't come on here trying to explain the facking multiverse theory to people.
Just shut the fack up and let us intelligent people do the thinking for you.
posted on 13/9/21
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 11 minutes ago
Here is the main point: the vaccine is very affective against the original version of vivid, I'm not disputing that. It gives you SPECIFIC antibodies that are more powerful than your bodies normal anibodies, however your bodies normal antibodies are NON SPECIFIC meaning that normall you would be protected against variety and other threats but this is now a permanent change in your body and variants will go through unchallenged due to these super specific antibodies.
------------------------------
I really don't get this.
I mean, you don't clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about because this makes no sense. Why bother trying to pretend you do? I don't come on here trying to explain the facking multiverse theory to people.
Just shut the fack up and let us intelligent people do the thinking for you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
All well and good putting forward hypotheses ... but where is the clinical evidence to back up these claims that vaccines compromise a body's natural immune response?
Where is the proof that the covid (or any) specific antibody affects non-specific interaction?
The video is just some joker with a whiteboard making wild claims about how he thinks the immune system works.
posted on 13/9/21
If you tell a lie often enough people will believe it's the truth. I think that's an actual quote from one of Trump's business books.
Thankfully it's the gullible few in this case, but they make an incredible amount of noise.
posted on 13/9/21
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 42 minutes ago
Here is the main point: the vaccine is very affective against the original version of vivid, I'm not disputing that. It gives you SPECIFIC antibodies that are more powerful than your bodies normal anibodies, however your bodies normal antibodies are NON SPECIFIC meaning that normall you would be protected against variety and other threats but this is now a permanent change in your body and variants will go through unchallenged due to these super specific antibodies.
------------------------------
I really don't get this.
I mean, you don't clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about because this makes no sense. Why bother trying to pretend you do? I don't come on here trying to explain the facking multiverse theory to people.
Just shut the fack up and let us intelligent people do the thinking for you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
lol
posted on 13/9/21
comment by Jalisco Red - ¡Viva Ronaldo! (U4195)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
This pandemic has given some of the stupidest people on the planet the chance to feel like experts and heroes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
tbf ja606 did it first
posted on 13/9/21
Then you get the actually dangerous ones like Shemirani referrimg to nurses who carry out vaccinations as Naz is. People like that are going to get healthcare professionals hurt, she should have been prosecuted for that.
posted on 13/9/21
comment by The Gentleman. (U13709)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
OP YOU ARE COMPLICIT. SHAME ON YOU.
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Mate, I’m really sorry that this has happened to you, but Vanden Bossche’s arguments (and they haven’t changed) were completely taken apart months ago.
I’m not even going to start here, because I’ve posted the responses to his arguments - comprehensive, coherent responses made by multiple epidemiologists and virologists - when WUMs and cranks (the frequent flyers in this site that you really don’t want to be grouped with) have posted his interviews several times.
Even a cursory Google search will get you to your pick of multiple articles which will explain why Vanden Bossche’s concerns aren’t concerns that we should all share.
I defer once again to the great(est) David Hume:
“A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence… and should always reject the greater miracle.”
posted on 13/9/21
It was 30 fecking years ago ffs. Funny how lefty blebs will jump on this but will play down Abbot and Corbyn's pro-RA speeches. I can guarantee there will be people on here who used racist language in the youth that wouldn't dream of saying it now.
posted on 13/9/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - ¡Viva Ronaldo! (U4195)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
This pandemic has given some of the stupidest people on the planet the chance to feel like experts and heroes.
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tbf ja606 did it first
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posted on 13/9/21
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 56 seconds ago
It was 30 fecking years ago ffs. Funny how lefty blebs will jump on this but will play down Abbot and Corbyn's pro-RA speeches. I can guarantee there will be people on here who used racist language in the youth that wouldn't dream of saying it now.
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Plebs
posted on 13/9/21
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 56 seconds ago
It was 30 fecking years ago ffs. Funny how lefty blebs will jump on this but will play down Abbot and Corbyn's pro-RA speeches. I can guarantee there will be people on here who used racist language in the youth that wouldn't dream of saying it now.
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Plebs
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If you're happy with an elected representative saying Margaret Thatcher’s policies were a “new empire” where “the happy south stamps over the cruel, dirty, toothless face of the northerner”, and that gay people “thrive primarily upon short-term relations”, and that “It may be moral to keep an empire because the fuzzy-wuzzies can’t look after themselves." because it was in the early nineties I pity your poverty of thought.
You're giving yourself away with the standard reflex Corbyn retort as well - what's he got to do with what Michael Gove said, and what difference do your personal politics make to whether you think its alright for him to have said it? Are you suggesting left leaning people will be disgusted but right leaning people should support it? Really?
posted on 14/9/21
I'm sure Boris will be very proud hearing these revelations.
posted on 14/9/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
I'm sure Boris will be very proud hearing these revelations.
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He'll be delighted. He surrounds himself with potential fall guys wherever he can to take the heat off him when he needs it. All he needs to be at any given time is the second biggest liability in the room and he'll be OK.
posted on 14/9/21
Are you suggesting left leaning people will be disgusted but right leaning people should support it? Really?
No, I’m suggesting that we all make mistakes but lefties on here pooh-pooh those mistakes made by the likes of Abbott. Abbott literally wanted the RA to win yet you lot were happy for her to be our Home Secretary.😂 Abbott is also a racist, she’s dropped her guard on a number of occasions.
posted on 14/9/21
I'm left-leaning and dislike Abbott's politics and her rhetoric. But it's quite typical of a streak of cynicism in right-wing politics today to use the 'the other side are just as bad, the other side are hypocrites' defence. If Gove's comments genuinely disgust you, there's always the option of condemning them, rather than making it a point about The Left.
posted on 14/9/21
Gove being a twunt isn't a surprise.
posted on 14/9/21
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Are you suggesting left leaning people will be disgusted but right leaning people should support it? Really?
No, I’m suggesting that we all make mistakes but lefties on here pooh-pooh those mistakes made by the likes of Abbott. Abbott literally wanted the RA to win yet you lot were happy for her to be our Home Secretary.😂 Abbott is also a racist, she’s dropped her guard on a number of occasions.
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What have 'lefties', Diane Abbott or the I RA got to do with Michael Gove's views?
The deflect and attack approach is a bit transparent these days, not many people fall for it.
Forgetting all that, are you saying we should let this slide because (in your words) "we all make mistakes"?
posted on 14/9/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Are you suggesting left leaning people will be disgusted but right leaning people should support it? Really?
No, I’m suggesting that we all make mistakes but lefties on here pooh-pooh those mistakes made by the likes of Abbott. Abbott literally wanted the RA to win yet you lot were happy for her to be our Home Secretary.😂 Abbott is also a racist, she’s dropped her guard on a number of occasions.
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What have 'lefties', Diane Abbott or the I RA got to do with Michael Gove's views?
The deflect and attack approach is a bit transparent these days, not many people fall for it.
Forgetting all that, are you saying we should let this slide because (in your words) "we all make mistakes"?
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I don’t think a big deal should be made of it, I certainly don’t think it was worthy of a thread on football forum.
posted on 14/9/21
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 minute ago
I don’t think a big deal should be made of it, I certainly don’t think it was worthy of a thread on football forum.
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There are many non-football threads on here, many political, why is this one not to be discussed?
posted on 14/9/21
I don’t think a big deal should be made of it, I certainly don’t think it was worthy of a thread on football forum.
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he's a person in a very high position in our government, who influences all our lives, and we now hear his disgusting views and your like ' no big deal'...move on etc.. Your mentality is exactly why players still take the knee because people are just not accepting blatant racism, shutting their mouths and cracking on with their day anymore.
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