Without knowing all the details it sounds like they were making an example out of Tesla.
How much should a racism cost one of the richest companies on the planet?
The bad PR could quite easily knock $130m off of the share price.
Couple of grand on each car and is paid
There's no price on what the ceiling should be for a racist ruling. It should be there to set an example that it's simply not allowed in any walk of life including a workplace.
But from the the other side as to what a 'fair' outcome looks, it looks pretty steep!
If I was a judge (and I'm a pretty far cry from that, I prefer being an uninformed jury) I'd say a presumption of lifetime earnings from presumed continued employment, plus a 50% emotional distress package would be generous.
Plus impose measures against Tesla to mitigate future occurrences.
Can't begrudge the fella though, Tesla were found not to have acted quickly or sufficiently and he got the rewards.
Hell be able to afford one of those vastly overpriced electric cars now
comment by His Punliness (U21588)
posted 41 minutes ago
Without knowing all the details it sounds like they were making an example out of Tesla.
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That’s what “punative damages” are awarded for.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 9 minutes ago
Hell be able to afford one of those vastly overpriced electric cars now
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hopefully he'll bid for fred
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comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 9 minutes ago
Hell be able to afford one of those vastly overpriced electric cars now
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hopefully he'll bid for fred
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Do you think anyone's ever told Fred that literally almost nobody rates him, or do they keep him blissfully ignorant?
They won’t end up paying all of this. Federal juries have been giving more and more for punitive damages for years now, in part because the companies are so vast how big does it need to be to actually be considered punitive...
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by His Punliness (U21588)
posted 41 minutes ago
Without knowing all the details it sounds like they were making an example out of Tesla.
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That’s what “punative damages” are awarded for.
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Punitive”
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The fine is relevant to the earnings/value of the prosecuted. That's why footballers get charged 1000's instead of 50 pound for driving offences.
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
The fine is relevant to the earnings/value of the prosecuted. That's why footballers get charged 1000's instead of 50 pound for driving offences.
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Yeah, a smaller company would pay less, in proportion to size. Punitive means punitive.
Bet Tesla wish they'd hired him full time now.
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Bet Tesla wish they'd hired him full time now.
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As a janitor
comment by 11th Place Is Not A Trophy (U3245)
posted 10 hours, 14 minutes ago
-Mr. Diaz never worked for Tesla. He was a contract employee who worked for Citistaff and nextSource.
- Mr. Diaz worked as an elevator operator at the Fremont factory for nine months, from June 2015 to March 2016.
- In addition to Mr. Diaz, three other witnesses (all non-Tesla contract employees) testified at trial that they regularly heard racial slurs (including the n-word) on the Fremont factory floor. While they all agreed that the use of the n-word was not appropriate in the workplace, they also agreed that most of the time they thought the language was used in a "friendly" manner and usually by African-American colleagues. They also told the jury about racist graffiti in the bathrooms, which was removed by our janitorial staff;
- There was no witness testimony or other evidence that anyone ever heard the n-word used toward Mr. Diaz.
- Mr. Diaz made written complaints to his non-Tesla supervisors. Those were well-documented in the nine months he worked at our factory. But he didn't make any complaints about the n-word until after he was not hired full-time by Tesla – and after he hired an attorney.
- The three times that Mr. Diaz did complain about harassment, Tesla stepped in and made sure responsive and timely action was taken by the staffing agencies: two contractors were fired and one was suspended (who had drawn a racially offensive cartoon). Mr. Diaz himself testified that he was "very satisfied" with the results of one of the investigations, and he agreed that there was follow-up on each of his complaints.
- Even though Mr. Diaz now complains about racial harassment at Fremont, at the time he said he was being harassed, he recommended to his son and daughter – while they were all living together in the same home – that they work at Tesla with him.
That's Tesla's side of things 🤔
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Judge ignored all that, wonder why though. Reading that sounds like the man pulled a fast one on Tesla. I would appeal this nonsense verdict.
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 11th Place Is Not A Trophy (U3245)
posted 10 hours, 14 minutes ago
-Mr. Diaz never worked for Tesla. He was a contract employee who worked for Citistaff and nextSource.
- Mr. Diaz worked as an elevator operator at the Fremont factory for nine months, from June 2015 to March 2016.
- In addition to Mr. Diaz, three other witnesses (all non-Tesla contract employees) testified at trial that they regularly heard racial slurs (including the n-word) on the Fremont factory floor. While they all agreed that the use of the n-word was not appropriate in the workplace, they also agreed that most of the time they thought the language was used in a "friendly" manner and usually by African-American colleagues. They also told the jury about racist graffiti in the bathrooms, which was removed by our janitorial staff;
- There was no witness testimony or other evidence that anyone ever heard the n-word used toward Mr. Diaz.
- Mr. Diaz made written complaints to his non-Tesla supervisors. Those were well-documented in the nine months he worked at our factory. But he didn't make any complaints about the n-word until after he was not hired full-time by Tesla – and after he hired an attorney.
- The three times that Mr. Diaz did complain about harassment, Tesla stepped in and made sure responsive and timely action was taken by the staffing agencies: two contractors were fired and one was suspended (who had drawn a racially offensive cartoon). Mr. Diaz himself testified that he was "very satisfied" with the results of one of the investigations, and he agreed that there was follow-up on each of his complaints.
- Even though Mr. Diaz now complains about racial harassment at Fremont, at the time he said he was being harassed, he recommended to his son and daughter – while they were all living together in the same home – that they work at Tesla with him.
That's Tesla's side of things 🤔
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Judge ignored all that, wonder why though. Reading that sounds like the man pulled a fast one on Tesla. I would appeal this nonsense verdict.
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Judge probably has shares in ExxoMobil. Needs checking out
comment by Bite (U3245)
posted 12 hours, 53 minutes ago
-Mr. Diaz never worked for Tesla. He was a contract employee who worked for Citistaff and nextSource.
- Mr. Diaz worked as an elevator operator at the Fremont factory for nine months, from June 2015 to March 2016.
- In addition to Mr. Diaz, three other witnesses (all non-Tesla contract employees) testified at trial that they regularly heard racial slurs (including the n-word) on the Fremont factory floor. While they all agreed that the use of the n-word was not appropriate in the workplace, they also agreed that most of the time they thought the language was used in a "friendly" manner and usually by African-American colleagues. They also told the jury about racist graffiti in the bathrooms, which was removed by our janitorial staff;
- There was no witness testimony or other evidence that anyone ever heard the n-word used toward Mr. Diaz.
- Mr. Diaz made written complaints to his non-Tesla supervisors. Those were well-documented in the nine months he worked at our factory. But he didn't make any complaints about the n-word until after he was not hired full-time by Tesla – and after he hired an attorney.
- The three times that Mr. Diaz did complain about harassment, Tesla stepped in and made sure responsive and timely action was taken by the staffing agencies: two contractors were fired and one was suspended (who had drawn a racially offensive cartoon). Mr. Diaz himself testified that he was "very satisfied" with the results of one of the investigations, and he agreed that there was follow-up on each of his complaints.
- Even though Mr. Diaz now complains about racial harassment at Fremont, at the time he said he was being harassed, he recommended to his son and daughter – while they were all living together in the same home – that they work at Tesla with him.
That's Tesla's side of things 🤔
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Looks like the lawyer is a real ѕсummy piece of shіt.
comment by Bite (U3245)
posted 13 hours, 20 minutes ago
-Mr. Diaz never worked for Tesla. He was a contract employee who worked for Citistaff and nextSource.
- Mr. Diaz worked as an elevator operator at the Fremont factory for nine months, from June 2015 to March 2016.
- In addition to Mr. Diaz, three other witnesses (all non-Tesla contract employees) testified at trial that they regularly heard racial slurs (including the n-word) on the Fremont factory floor. While they all agreed that the use of the n-word was not appropriate in the workplace, they also agreed that most of the time they thought the language was used in a "friendly" manner and usually by African-American colleagues. They also told the jury about racist graffiti in the bathrooms, which was removed by our janitorial staff;
- There was no witness testimony or other evidence that anyone ever heard the n-word used toward Mr. Diaz.
- Mr. Diaz made written complaints to his non-Tesla supervisors. Those were well-documented in the nine months he worked at our factory. But he didn't make any complaints about the n-word until after he was not hired full-time by Tesla – and after he hired an attorney.
- The three times that Mr. Diaz did complain about harassment, Tesla stepped in and made sure responsive and timely action was taken by the staffing agencies: two contractors were fired and one was suspended (who had drawn a racially offensive cartoon). Mr. Diaz himself testified that he was "very satisfied" with the results of one of the investigations, and he agreed that there was follow-up on each of his complaints.
- Even though Mr. Diaz now complains about racial harassment at Fremont, at the time he said he was being harassed, he recommended to his son and daughter – while they were all living together in the same home – that they work at Tesla with him.
That's Tesla's side of things 🤔
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Can u also do a summary of his side of things, in order to make this a more balanced discussion?, rather than the losing parties version of events and then make your mind up.
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posted on 5/10/21
Without knowing all the details it sounds like they were making an example out of Tesla.
posted on 5/10/21
How much should a racism cost one of the richest companies on the planet?
posted on 5/10/21
The bad PR could quite easily knock $130m off of the share price.
posted on 5/10/21
Couple of grand on each car and is paid
posted on 5/10/21
There's no price on what the ceiling should be for a racist ruling. It should be there to set an example that it's simply not allowed in any walk of life including a workplace.
But from the the other side as to what a 'fair' outcome looks, it looks pretty steep!
If I was a judge (and I'm a pretty far cry from that, I prefer being an uninformed jury) I'd say a presumption of lifetime earnings from presumed continued employment, plus a 50% emotional distress package would be generous.
Plus impose measures against Tesla to mitigate future occurrences.
Can't begrudge the fella though, Tesla were found not to have acted quickly or sufficiently and he got the rewards.
posted on 5/10/21
Yeah, ridiculous.
posted on 5/10/21
Hell be able to afford one of those vastly overpriced electric cars now
posted on 5/10/21
comment by His Punliness (U21588)
posted 41 minutes ago
Without knowing all the details it sounds like they were making an example out of Tesla.
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That’s what “punative damages” are awarded for.
posted on 5/10/21
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 9 minutes ago
Hell be able to afford one of those vastly overpriced electric cars now
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hopefully he'll bid for fred
posted on 5/10/21
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posted on 5/10/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 9 minutes ago
Hell be able to afford one of those vastly overpriced electric cars now
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hopefully he'll bid for fred
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Do you think anyone's ever told Fred that literally almost nobody rates him, or do they keep him blissfully ignorant?
posted on 5/10/21
They won’t end up paying all of this. Federal juries have been giving more and more for punitive damages for years now, in part because the companies are so vast how big does it need to be to actually be considered punitive...
posted on 5/10/21
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by His Punliness (U21588)
posted 41 minutes ago
Without knowing all the details it sounds like they were making an example out of Tesla.
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That’s what “punative damages” are awarded for.
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Punitive”
posted on 6/10/21
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posted on 6/10/21
The fine is relevant to the earnings/value of the prosecuted. That's why footballers get charged 1000's instead of 50 pound for driving offences.
posted on 6/10/21
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
The fine is relevant to the earnings/value of the prosecuted. That's why footballers get charged 1000's instead of 50 pound for driving offences.
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Yeah, a smaller company would pay less, in proportion to size. Punitive means punitive.
posted on 6/10/21
Bet Tesla wish they'd hired him full time now.
posted on 6/10/21
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Bet Tesla wish they'd hired him full time now.
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As a janitor
posted on 6/10/21
comment by 11th Place Is Not A Trophy (U3245)
posted 10 hours, 14 minutes ago
-Mr. Diaz never worked for Tesla. He was a contract employee who worked for Citistaff and nextSource.
- Mr. Diaz worked as an elevator operator at the Fremont factory for nine months, from June 2015 to March 2016.
- In addition to Mr. Diaz, three other witnesses (all non-Tesla contract employees) testified at trial that they regularly heard racial slurs (including the n-word) on the Fremont factory floor. While they all agreed that the use of the n-word was not appropriate in the workplace, they also agreed that most of the time they thought the language was used in a "friendly" manner and usually by African-American colleagues. They also told the jury about racist graffiti in the bathrooms, which was removed by our janitorial staff;
- There was no witness testimony or other evidence that anyone ever heard the n-word used toward Mr. Diaz.
- Mr. Diaz made written complaints to his non-Tesla supervisors. Those were well-documented in the nine months he worked at our factory. But he didn't make any complaints about the n-word until after he was not hired full-time by Tesla – and after he hired an attorney.
- The three times that Mr. Diaz did complain about harassment, Tesla stepped in and made sure responsive and timely action was taken by the staffing agencies: two contractors were fired and one was suspended (who had drawn a racially offensive cartoon). Mr. Diaz himself testified that he was "very satisfied" with the results of one of the investigations, and he agreed that there was follow-up on each of his complaints.
- Even though Mr. Diaz now complains about racial harassment at Fremont, at the time he said he was being harassed, he recommended to his son and daughter – while they were all living together in the same home – that they work at Tesla with him.
That's Tesla's side of things 🤔
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Judge ignored all that, wonder why though. Reading that sounds like the man pulled a fast one on Tesla. I would appeal this nonsense verdict.
posted on 6/10/21
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 11th Place Is Not A Trophy (U3245)
posted 10 hours, 14 minutes ago
-Mr. Diaz never worked for Tesla. He was a contract employee who worked for Citistaff and nextSource.
- Mr. Diaz worked as an elevator operator at the Fremont factory for nine months, from June 2015 to March 2016.
- In addition to Mr. Diaz, three other witnesses (all non-Tesla contract employees) testified at trial that they regularly heard racial slurs (including the n-word) on the Fremont factory floor. While they all agreed that the use of the n-word was not appropriate in the workplace, they also agreed that most of the time they thought the language was used in a "friendly" manner and usually by African-American colleagues. They also told the jury about racist graffiti in the bathrooms, which was removed by our janitorial staff;
- There was no witness testimony or other evidence that anyone ever heard the n-word used toward Mr. Diaz.
- Mr. Diaz made written complaints to his non-Tesla supervisors. Those were well-documented in the nine months he worked at our factory. But he didn't make any complaints about the n-word until after he was not hired full-time by Tesla – and after he hired an attorney.
- The three times that Mr. Diaz did complain about harassment, Tesla stepped in and made sure responsive and timely action was taken by the staffing agencies: two contractors were fired and one was suspended (who had drawn a racially offensive cartoon). Mr. Diaz himself testified that he was "very satisfied" with the results of one of the investigations, and he agreed that there was follow-up on each of his complaints.
- Even though Mr. Diaz now complains about racial harassment at Fremont, at the time he said he was being harassed, he recommended to his son and daughter – while they were all living together in the same home – that they work at Tesla with him.
That's Tesla's side of things 🤔
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Judge ignored all that, wonder why though. Reading that sounds like the man pulled a fast one on Tesla. I would appeal this nonsense verdict.
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Judge probably has shares in ExxoMobil. Needs checking out
posted on 6/10/21
comment by Bite (U3245)
posted 12 hours, 53 minutes ago
-Mr. Diaz never worked for Tesla. He was a contract employee who worked for Citistaff and nextSource.
- Mr. Diaz worked as an elevator operator at the Fremont factory for nine months, from June 2015 to March 2016.
- In addition to Mr. Diaz, three other witnesses (all non-Tesla contract employees) testified at trial that they regularly heard racial slurs (including the n-word) on the Fremont factory floor. While they all agreed that the use of the n-word was not appropriate in the workplace, they also agreed that most of the time they thought the language was used in a "friendly" manner and usually by African-American colleagues. They also told the jury about racist graffiti in the bathrooms, which was removed by our janitorial staff;
- There was no witness testimony or other evidence that anyone ever heard the n-word used toward Mr. Diaz.
- Mr. Diaz made written complaints to his non-Tesla supervisors. Those were well-documented in the nine months he worked at our factory. But he didn't make any complaints about the n-word until after he was not hired full-time by Tesla – and after he hired an attorney.
- The three times that Mr. Diaz did complain about harassment, Tesla stepped in and made sure responsive and timely action was taken by the staffing agencies: two contractors were fired and one was suspended (who had drawn a racially offensive cartoon). Mr. Diaz himself testified that he was "very satisfied" with the results of one of the investigations, and he agreed that there was follow-up on each of his complaints.
- Even though Mr. Diaz now complains about racial harassment at Fremont, at the time he said he was being harassed, he recommended to his son and daughter – while they were all living together in the same home – that they work at Tesla with him.
That's Tesla's side of things 🤔
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Looks like the lawyer is a real ѕсummy piece of shіt.
posted on 6/10/21
comment by Bite (U3245)
posted 13 hours, 20 minutes ago
-Mr. Diaz never worked for Tesla. He was a contract employee who worked for Citistaff and nextSource.
- Mr. Diaz worked as an elevator operator at the Fremont factory for nine months, from June 2015 to March 2016.
- In addition to Mr. Diaz, three other witnesses (all non-Tesla contract employees) testified at trial that they regularly heard racial slurs (including the n-word) on the Fremont factory floor. While they all agreed that the use of the n-word was not appropriate in the workplace, they also agreed that most of the time they thought the language was used in a "friendly" manner and usually by African-American colleagues. They also told the jury about racist graffiti in the bathrooms, which was removed by our janitorial staff;
- There was no witness testimony or other evidence that anyone ever heard the n-word used toward Mr. Diaz.
- Mr. Diaz made written complaints to his non-Tesla supervisors. Those were well-documented in the nine months he worked at our factory. But he didn't make any complaints about the n-word until after he was not hired full-time by Tesla – and after he hired an attorney.
- The three times that Mr. Diaz did complain about harassment, Tesla stepped in and made sure responsive and timely action was taken by the staffing agencies: two contractors were fired and one was suspended (who had drawn a racially offensive cartoon). Mr. Diaz himself testified that he was "very satisfied" with the results of one of the investigations, and he agreed that there was follow-up on each of his complaints.
- Even though Mr. Diaz now complains about racial harassment at Fremont, at the time he said he was being harassed, he recommended to his son and daughter – while they were all living together in the same home – that they work at Tesla with him.
That's Tesla's side of things 🤔
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Can u also do a summary of his side of things, in order to make this a more balanced discussion?, rather than the losing parties version of events and then make your mind up.
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