I don’t even want my own club rewarded for failure.
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
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Well and the exploration of and theft from their own people.
If it wasn't a closed shop with no relegation then the rest of it was very appealing.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
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Well and the exploration of and theft from their own people.
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Not in City's case.
The UAE has excellent healthcare and education, all free and the people don't pay income tax.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
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Well and the exploration of and theft from their own people.
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Not in City's case.
The UAE has excellent healthcare and education, all free and the people don't pay income tax.
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Don’t they still hang LGBT people?
No, never have.
Seems like you're confusing the UAE with Saudi Arabia or Qatar.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 26 seconds ago
No, never have.
Seems like you're confusing the UAE with Saudi Arabia or Qatar.
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From wiki……
According to human rights organisations, the government of the UAE violates a number of fundamental human rights. The UAE does not have democratically elected institutions and citizens do not have the right to change their government or to form political parties. Activists and academics who criticize the regime are detained and imprisoned, and their families are often harassed by the state security apparatus.[1] There are reports of forced disappearances in the UAE, many foreign nationals and Emirati citizens have been abducted by the UAE government and illegally detained and tortured in undisclosed locations.[2][3] In numerous instances, the UAE government has tortured people in custody (especially expats and political dissidents),[4][5][6][7][8] and has denied their citizens the right to a speedy trial and access to counsel during official investigations.[2][3]
UAE laws discriminate against women, migrants and LGBT individuals.[1]
Flogging and stoning are legal forms of judicial punishment in the UAE due to Sharia courts although no stoning has ever taken place.[9] The government restricts freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and the local media are censored to avoid criticising the government, government officials or royal families.
Despite being elected to the UN Council, the UAE has not signed most international human-rights and labour-rights treaties, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and the Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families. In November 2020, the United Arab Emirates overhauled its legal system to loosen restrictions on alcohol consumption, permit cohabitation, and increase penalty for honor killings, among other changes.[10]
Sounds like a wonderful place to live…..
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 28 minutes ago
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
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Not as simple as this...UAE Wealth base was oil. Yes they are diversifying but natural resources is a key rev stream for the diversification.
Either way all are sovereign clubs using a nations resources to have toy clubs.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 58 minutes ago
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
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I’m pleased your dumb ass has nothing to do with energy that’s for sure what a dense comment
This was always a probable outcome of the pouring of money into the game and its increased popularity throughout the world. It harks back to the creation of the Premier League - and while clubs (and indeed fans of those clubs) lapped up the extra income and increased exposure (and with it status), the world’s richest were always going to become involved.
People separate the clubs that have owners worth 10s of billions from clubs that have owners “only” worth billions. And they justify this separation through delving into the world of politics. Oil has become a dirty word. A blatant put down, irrespective of the obvious hypocrisy that doing so entails. Then comes the predictable concern over issues such as lgbt rights.
The bottom line to this concern is simple: they are using such serious issues only as a stick in which to beat the clubs themselves with. And that’s as far as their concern goes.
The wealth of Newcastle’s new owners dwarfs the wealth of Mansour to a far greater extent than Mansour’s wealth dwarfs the wealth of owners of Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool etc.
What is also interesting is the amount that City’s owners have invested into the club is itself dwarfed by the individual wealth of owners from the above clubs. That elephant in the room has been discussed again and again by fans, who moan about their owners. On one hand they will target their owners for their frugality, while on the other slating owners who do actually invest into their clubs in a desire to compete at the very highest level.
Newcastle fans will know full well what is coming. And they will become frustrated with the negativity aimed towards their club that only rises in accordance with the levels of success that is attained. But they will nevertheless revel in any success that is attained.
And fans of other clubs will moan impotently, and misdirect and seek to justify their annoyance through a faux concern towards political, ethical, and moral reasons.
Yes Ripleys, because political, ethical and moral reasons are only challenged by those with faux concern
That’s a blatant misunderstanding of what I actually said.
It’s not though, your point may have been towards the new found attitude towards Newcastle - but the flippancy inferred regarding actual social issues in your post was apparent.
TV money doped clubs getting a pass.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
And fans of other clubs will moan impotently, and misdirect and seek to justify their annoyance through a faux concern towards political, ethical, and moral reasons.
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If I was being controlled by backward owners that dealt in blood money and uses a medieval law to put away rape victims for 12 months if they can't prove it, I think I'd have to raise an eyebrow or two. How can anybody sit there and justify being owned by individuals that do not share the values and morals of any decent society?
Faux outrage? What piissses you off then generally?
My point (and the context of my point) was that fans of other clubs use it as a stick to beat the fans of other clubs with.
It’s used as a gotcha. A put down, and a wind up towards fans of these clubs.
That is classic misdirection. And it is a classic display of faux concern when that’s the only thing someone actually does do.
And I would bet the vast (vast) majority of those who do this haven’t done anything other than use the tribal nature of football in order to have a dig towards others about something that is indeed a very serious issue.
The ESL is coming, whether it’s called that or rebranded it will occur.
Teams like Real, Barca and Juve aren’t going to tolerate being in the bin whilst historically small clubs like City, Chelsea, PSG and Newcastle are ruling Europe due to vast amounts of money.
People also seemed to have missed my point about how this concern seems to rise in relation to how successful the club itself becomes.
I suspect that this is what will happen to Newcastle should they become successful.
It doesn’t happen to anywhere near the same degree in regards to the likes of Charlton and Sheffield United…
If it really is genuine, then why is that?
It couldn’t possibly be because those two clubs (for example) aren’t seen as a threat on the football pitch to the club that you support? No, surely it couldn’t possibly be that…
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
My point (and the context of my point) was that fans of other clubs use it as a stick to beat the fans of other clubs with.
It’s used as a gotcha. A put down, and a wind up towards fans of these clubs.
That is classic misdirection. And it is a classic display of faux concern when that’s the only thing someone actually does do.
And I would bet the vast (vast) majority of those who do this haven’t done anything other than use the tribal nature of football in order to have a dig towards others about something that is indeed a very serious issue.
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There isn't ever a big enough stick IMO.
Every club as their half heads with a narrow view of the world and some people are just not interested in what goes on around it. That doesn't excuse what is actually happening. It's a massive deflection on your part. Hold your hands up and own it, no point going round the houses.
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posted on 8/10/21
Yes, yes it was.
posted on 8/10/21
I don’t even want my own club rewarded for failure.
posted on 8/10/21
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
posted on 8/10/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well and the exploration of and theft from their own people.
posted on 8/10/21
If it wasn't a closed shop with no relegation then the rest of it was very appealing.
posted on 8/10/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
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Well and the exploration of and theft from their own people.
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Not in City's case.
The UAE has excellent healthcare and education, all free and the people don't pay income tax.
posted on 8/10/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well and the exploration of and theft from their own people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not in City's case.
The UAE has excellent healthcare and education, all free and the people don't pay income tax.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t they still hang LGBT people?
posted on 8/10/21
No, never have.
Seems like you're confusing the UAE with Saudi Arabia or Qatar.
posted on 8/10/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 26 seconds ago
No, never have.
Seems like you're confusing the UAE with Saudi Arabia or Qatar.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From wiki……
According to human rights organisations, the government of the UAE violates a number of fundamental human rights. The UAE does not have democratically elected institutions and citizens do not have the right to change their government or to form political parties. Activists and academics who criticize the regime are detained and imprisoned, and their families are often harassed by the state security apparatus.[1] There are reports of forced disappearances in the UAE, many foreign nationals and Emirati citizens have been abducted by the UAE government and illegally detained and tortured in undisclosed locations.[2][3] In numerous instances, the UAE government has tortured people in custody (especially expats and political dissidents),[4][5][6][7][8] and has denied their citizens the right to a speedy trial and access to counsel during official investigations.[2][3]
UAE laws discriminate against women, migrants and LGBT individuals.[1]
Flogging and stoning are legal forms of judicial punishment in the UAE due to Sharia courts although no stoning has ever taken place.[9] The government restricts freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and the local media are censored to avoid criticising the government, government officials or royal families.
Despite being elected to the UN Council, the UAE has not signed most international human-rights and labour-rights treaties, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and the Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families. In November 2020, the United Arab Emirates overhauled its legal system to loosen restrictions on alcohol consumption, permit cohabitation, and increase penalty for honor killings, among other changes.[10]
posted on 8/10/21
Sounds like a wonderful place to live…..
posted on 8/10/21
Better than Harringay.
posted on 8/10/21
Medieval.
posted on 8/10/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 28 minutes ago
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not as simple as this...UAE Wealth base was oil. Yes they are diversifying but natural resources is a key rev stream for the diversification.
posted on 8/10/21
Either way all are sovereign clubs using a nations resources to have toy clubs.
posted on 8/10/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 58 minutes ago
You do realise that none of the owners of City, Chelsea or PSG have anything to do with oil?
City - Property
PSG - Gas
Chelsea - Gas
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m pleased your dumb ass has nothing to do with energy that’s for sure what a dense comment
posted on 8/10/21
This was always a probable outcome of the pouring of money into the game and its increased popularity throughout the world. It harks back to the creation of the Premier League - and while clubs (and indeed fans of those clubs) lapped up the extra income and increased exposure (and with it status), the world’s richest were always going to become involved.
People separate the clubs that have owners worth 10s of billions from clubs that have owners “only” worth billions. And they justify this separation through delving into the world of politics. Oil has become a dirty word. A blatant put down, irrespective of the obvious hypocrisy that doing so entails. Then comes the predictable concern over issues such as lgbt rights.
The bottom line to this concern is simple: they are using such serious issues only as a stick in which to beat the clubs themselves with. And that’s as far as their concern goes.
The wealth of Newcastle’s new owners dwarfs the wealth of Mansour to a far greater extent than Mansour’s wealth dwarfs the wealth of owners of Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool etc.
What is also interesting is the amount that City’s owners have invested into the club is itself dwarfed by the individual wealth of owners from the above clubs. That elephant in the room has been discussed again and again by fans, who moan about their owners. On one hand they will target their owners for their frugality, while on the other slating owners who do actually invest into their clubs in a desire to compete at the very highest level.
Newcastle fans will know full well what is coming. And they will become frustrated with the negativity aimed towards their club that only rises in accordance with the levels of success that is attained. But they will nevertheless revel in any success that is attained.
And fans of other clubs will moan impotently, and misdirect and seek to justify their annoyance through a faux concern towards political, ethical, and moral reasons.
posted on 8/10/21
Yes Ripleys, because political, ethical and moral reasons are only challenged by those with faux concern
posted on 8/10/21
That’s a blatant misunderstanding of what I actually said.
posted on 8/10/21
It’s not though, your point may have been towards the new found attitude towards Newcastle - but the flippancy inferred regarding actual social issues in your post was apparent.
posted on 8/10/21
TV money doped clubs getting a pass.
posted on 8/10/21
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
And fans of other clubs will moan impotently, and misdirect and seek to justify their annoyance through a faux concern towards political, ethical, and moral reasons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I was being controlled by backward owners that dealt in blood money and uses a medieval law to put away rape victims for 12 months if they can't prove it, I think I'd have to raise an eyebrow or two. How can anybody sit there and justify being owned by individuals that do not share the values and morals of any decent society?
Faux outrage? What piissses you off then generally?
posted on 8/10/21
My point (and the context of my point) was that fans of other clubs use it as a stick to beat the fans of other clubs with.
It’s used as a gotcha. A put down, and a wind up towards fans of these clubs.
That is classic misdirection. And it is a classic display of faux concern when that’s the only thing someone actually does do.
And I would bet the vast (vast) majority of those who do this haven’t done anything other than use the tribal nature of football in order to have a dig towards others about something that is indeed a very serious issue.
posted on 8/10/21
The ESL is coming, whether it’s called that or rebranded it will occur.
Teams like Real, Barca and Juve aren’t going to tolerate being in the bin whilst historically small clubs like City, Chelsea, PSG and Newcastle are ruling Europe due to vast amounts of money.
posted on 8/10/21
People also seemed to have missed my point about how this concern seems to rise in relation to how successful the club itself becomes.
I suspect that this is what will happen to Newcastle should they become successful.
It doesn’t happen to anywhere near the same degree in regards to the likes of Charlton and Sheffield United…
If it really is genuine, then why is that?
It couldn’t possibly be because those two clubs (for example) aren’t seen as a threat on the football pitch to the club that you support? No, surely it couldn’t possibly be that…
posted on 8/10/21
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
My point (and the context of my point) was that fans of other clubs use it as a stick to beat the fans of other clubs with.
It’s used as a gotcha. A put down, and a wind up towards fans of these clubs.
That is classic misdirection. And it is a classic display of faux concern when that’s the only thing someone actually does do.
And I would bet the vast (vast) majority of those who do this haven’t done anything other than use the tribal nature of football in order to have a dig towards others about something that is indeed a very serious issue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There isn't ever a big enough stick IMO.
Every club as their half heads with a narrow view of the world and some people are just not interested in what goes on around it. That doesn't excuse what is actually happening. It's a massive deflection on your part. Hold your hands up and own it, no point going round the houses.
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