Tilly stayed in the stands from Wednesday
What a crock of crap if he was MOTM.
Missed today’s game as was out Christmas shopping with missus, glad I did after reading those ratings.
Re: atmosphere, it’s been poor for ages. With a few exceptions. Getting rid of the awful clappers and goal music would be a step in the right direction.
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
Tilly stayed in the stands from Wednesday
What a crock of crap if he was MOTM.
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I don’t think he had his best game but you are so blinkered it’s unbelievable. If Vardy and Barnes could head the ball that he put on a plate for them he’d be sitting here with 2 assists in a game where apparently he was the worst player on the pitch
A bit more to disagree with than usual Dunge.
Schmeichel 5 - you're a bit harsh on him, I don't see he could do much for either goal, they were both rank bad defending on our part.
Soyuncu only 5, he did not defend well enough for 6.
Amartey I'd agree with, he shouldn't have been on the pitch, nor should he be in future unless there is an emergency. Looks like a car crash waiting to happen every time he's on the ball.
Brendan picked the wrong formation for this match, no way should we have had 5 defenders, we were much better with 4 at the back and some threat going forward down the wings. Arsenal played well but they are not a particularly good team, we just contrived to make them look like world beaters for 20 minutes.
Hardly surprising the crowd were quiet given the dreadful first half of the first half. We only 'improved' in the second period of the first half because Arsenal dropped back to defend their 2 goal lead. Brendan needs to find a plan B to stop teams employing a risk-free high press, we just play the ball across the back line getting deeper and deeper and into trouble. The only team who didn't do that recently were United.
Thomas. I can only surmise that he got 6 because of a much improved second half performance. In the first half he was truly dreadful, probably showing why he is not picked more often. Also that he is not a wing back. His confidence was in tatters in that first half. 5 at best and that's being generous. He also suffers from being very one footed, similar to Chilwell. Under instructions not to lose the ball he tends to face his own goal giving him only an out backwards. He did this once in the second half when there was an opportunity for him to turn and make progress.
I thought Soumare had a better game than you indicated so 5.
In my view, not much to argue against here, other than perhaps the 4 for Schmeichel. He didn’t have that much to do; there was one smart save at the foot of his post and his distribution was better than usual.
Whilst I fully respect the right of everyone to express their opinion and I can usually understand the reasoning behind it, I must confess that I am at a loss to see where our very good friend True Blue is coming from in his views on Youri Tielemans! He is clearly the most creative player we have; God knows where we’d be if he wasn’t playing very nearly every game.
I suspect Lookman might suffer the same fate as Cengiz Under. He looks good at times but doesn’t really play with his head up so any opportunities that arise are lost.
On the positive side, it would seem likely that Ndidi may return soon and Justin isn’t too far away.
Ooooooo, I agree and disagree with Nuneaton and Dunge.
Few points from me:
Castagne is a very good player in the right formation when he can interchange and link up with the midfield like Justin does.
Thomas was poor in the first half but very good in the second when the formation was suited to him.
Soumare looked very laboured whatever the formation but better second half.
Kasper - not quite sure what he did wrong all day to be honest. It was what went on in from of him that was the problem.
Otherwise it’s hard to argue with the criticism.
But what you’ve glaringly missed Dunge is that we’re no longer getting the best out of our players and that’s a big concern. I’m fact, some players are starting to play below themselves like Castagne, Soyuncu, Barnes, Thomas abs Maddison. This is fine if it’s the odd one but if it’s a group of players something is wrong.
I tell you what was wrong yesterday. The formation and tactics. 100% this and nothing more.
I think it’s time for Rodgers to look at himself and think about how he changes this. He talks about a high press and intensity but all I see right now is a back 3 passing it between each other before a midfielder gives it away and leaves us exposed on the counter.
Time and time again.
The manager is getting it wrong. But that doesn’t mean the manager is bad or we should get rid. I’m not stupid. What it means is Rodgers needs to look at this and try something different. He’s had the blueprint in a few games and it’s clear we have the players to adapt during a game. So we now need to work out how we start to create space for our key players. Tielemans I’m midfield ans a Vardy up top. Because right now if you nullify them we may as well go home after 5 minutes.
Questions questions questions.
And I agree with Nuneaton on the atmosphere. For me this can never be artificially created. It has to come from the players as well as the fans.
It was clear in the second half the fans were much more vocal because they had something to actually get behind.
Yes we can do better, but if we come out singing and we get 20 minutes like that yesterday and it’s no wonder we all just sit there crying in to our clappers!
The press is a mess, to be honest. Not quite as bad yesterday as it was against Brighton midweek, but not everyone commits to it enough. Barnes can be very effective carrying the ball, but defensively he’s terrible. He just tries to avoid getting in on the act. I’d say that he can’t press, but that should be reserved for people like Mendy who just can’t keep up with the athletes of the Premier League. Barnes has no such excuse. The simple conclusion I make is not that he can’t press, but that he won’t press.
But that would be to single him out unfairly when there are just too many people not pressing correctly. I sympathise to an extent with Rodgers on this because we have had injury problems to focus on and he hasn’t had much midweek opportunity to work on it, but such is the life of a top manager. I’ve also heard rumour of players or staff struggling to settle in to the new training ground, and it can be tricky when there’s a move. All in all, this season is already a write-off and I expect there will be some atrocious results and performances to come.
The season being a write-off means we will lose some talent. Tielemans in particular will surely be sold at the end of the season. While I’m sure that’ll get True Blue streaking through Tesco in pure elation, the rest of us recognise that a loss that will be. We’ll also see Vardy a year older, similar Evans and Schmeichel. There could even be bids for the likes of Fofana. Having a duff season will cost us momentum, but I figure we’ll probably have to live with that and look to rebuild, preferably with players who have a lot more potential than we’ve seen from our summer business thus far. Whether Rodgers will want to be a part of that, or whether a club of significant enough size will offer him a route out, is yet to be seen.
Momentum. That’s a good way to describe it. We’ve certainly stalled for some reason but it confuses me. I think our summer business has been ok. Vestergaard always unplanned and can’t be included but aside Daka looks the real deal, Soumare looks suited fo replacing Tielemans when we lose him and Bertrand for all his criticism started the season very well before Covid.
Add that on top of the talent we already have and we should be progressing. But we’ve stalled.
We stopped pressing when we started to look too open at the back and since that point the wheels have fallen off.
But like the second half yesterday, there’s a lot to be hopeful for and Rodgers seems to have blown hot and cold in his entire time with us.
He’s found answers in the past and hopefully he can find them again.
With Evans fit, this may be the opportunity Lookman and Barnes have been waiting for and if so, they need to take it and start creating goals.
Tilly was Great ........... for Arsenal, just what they needed, a key player that's easily taken out the game who like his Manager has no clue how to change and adapt, totally one dimensional.
From an Arsenal perspective, his Free Kick staraight into the one man wall was perfect, like his corner straight into Ramsdale's hands.
Not forgettig the number of times he was so easily dispossessed or just gave the ball away.
Not as bad as the Manager though, so easily out played in tactics by opposition Managers, it's embarrassing.
"Whilst I fully respect the right of everyone to express their opinion and I can usually understand the reasoning behind it, I must confess that I am at a loss to see where our very good friend True Blue is coming from in his views on Youri Tielemans! He is clearly the most creative player we have; God knows where we’d be if he wasn’t playing very nearly every game."
That must be why we're a mid table Team then.
A decent Player with a good eye for an occasional great pass, much like most of the rest of the team though.
You guys are like the British Press with a hald decent young English Player, you've built him up so far it's laughable.
Tilly as MOTM
Come on TB. The biggest clubs in the world are coming in for Tielemans in the summer. Are they and we all wrong?
This isn’t Ryan McGivern we’re talking about here.
Yes I agree with you that you can nullify Tielemans by pressing him quickly. But he’s not a Messi type of player that just skips round people. He needs the team to work around him, create a bit of space and make the movements for him to pick out. When they do he’s second to none.
Does that make him flawless, no. Does it make him flawed like you make out, absolutely not. He’s an absolute talent and we’re lucky to have him. Who would you replace him with?
Are they, why didn't they this Summer?
Too easily nullified to be anything more than a Very Good Player,
Ah, back to the Team dpoing all the work for him again, just like other Teams do for the Top Class Players in their team.
Of course, they might be moving for him, how would he know, he spends most of his time increasing his passing stats facing his own goal passing straight abck to the player who just passed to him.
The problem for Tilly is that they're aren't enough Big Teams too arrogant to worry about our players to close them down like the Man Cities or Utd's so he can shine, the rest just take this World Class player out the picture so so easily.
Of course, if his Manager wasn't so one dimensional in his tactics it wouldn't be that every single little pass has to go through him to go straight backwards to the same player time after time.
Serious question - why don’t we bring in a set piece coach which seems trendy at the minute? It’s clearly an issue for us and someone to come in to focus purely on that can help?
That or we get our tactics right so we’re no conceding them every 5 minutes!
True Blue - I genuinely hope you are a master WUM, because otherwise your lack of footballing knowledge is embarrassing.
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 16 hours, 44 minutes ago
Are they, why didn't they this Summer?
Too easily nullified to be anything more than a Very Good Player,
Ah, back to the Team dpoing all the work for him again, just like other Teams do for the Top Class Players in their team.
Of course, they might be moving for him, how would he know, he spends most of his time increasing his passing stats facing his own goal passing straight abck to the player who just passed to him.
The problem for Tilly is that they're aren't enough Big Teams too arrogant to worry about our players to close them down like the Man Cities or Utd's so he can shine, the rest just take this World Class player out the picture so so easily.
Of course, if his Manager wasn't so one dimensional in his tactics it wouldn't be that every single little pass has to go through him to go straight backwards to the same player time after time.
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Sure I saw that he’s played more forward passes from midfield than anyone in the division so you must be thinking about someone else…
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-arsenal-talking-points-6139688
Feel like this is. Cheeky rip off of our post match analysis, or maybe sums up the same points as us for a reason!
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posted on 30/10/21
Tilly stayed in the stands from Wednesday
What a crock of crap if he was MOTM.
posted on 30/10/21
Missed today’s game as was out Christmas shopping with missus, glad I did after reading those ratings.
Re: atmosphere, it’s been poor for ages. With a few exceptions. Getting rid of the awful clappers and goal music would be a step in the right direction.
posted on 31/10/21
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
Tilly stayed in the stands from Wednesday
What a crock of crap if he was MOTM.
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I don’t think he had his best game but you are so blinkered it’s unbelievable. If Vardy and Barnes could head the ball that he put on a plate for them he’d be sitting here with 2 assists in a game where apparently he was the worst player on the pitch
posted on 31/10/21
A bit more to disagree with than usual Dunge.
Schmeichel 5 - you're a bit harsh on him, I don't see he could do much for either goal, they were both rank bad defending on our part.
Soyuncu only 5, he did not defend well enough for 6.
Amartey I'd agree with, he shouldn't have been on the pitch, nor should he be in future unless there is an emergency. Looks like a car crash waiting to happen every time he's on the ball.
Brendan picked the wrong formation for this match, no way should we have had 5 defenders, we were much better with 4 at the back and some threat going forward down the wings. Arsenal played well but they are not a particularly good team, we just contrived to make them look like world beaters for 20 minutes.
Hardly surprising the crowd were quiet given the dreadful first half of the first half. We only 'improved' in the second period of the first half because Arsenal dropped back to defend their 2 goal lead. Brendan needs to find a plan B to stop teams employing a risk-free high press, we just play the ball across the back line getting deeper and deeper and into trouble. The only team who didn't do that recently were United.
Thomas. I can only surmise that he got 6 because of a much improved second half performance. In the first half he was truly dreadful, probably showing why he is not picked more often. Also that he is not a wing back. His confidence was in tatters in that first half. 5 at best and that's being generous. He also suffers from being very one footed, similar to Chilwell. Under instructions not to lose the ball he tends to face his own goal giving him only an out backwards. He did this once in the second half when there was an opportunity for him to turn and make progress.
I thought Soumare had a better game than you indicated so 5.
posted on 31/10/21
In my view, not much to argue against here, other than perhaps the 4 for Schmeichel. He didn’t have that much to do; there was one smart save at the foot of his post and his distribution was better than usual.
Whilst I fully respect the right of everyone to express their opinion and I can usually understand the reasoning behind it, I must confess that I am at a loss to see where our very good friend True Blue is coming from in his views on Youri Tielemans! He is clearly the most creative player we have; God knows where we’d be if he wasn’t playing very nearly every game.
I suspect Lookman might suffer the same fate as Cengiz Under. He looks good at times but doesn’t really play with his head up so any opportunities that arise are lost.
On the positive side, it would seem likely that Ndidi may return soon and Justin isn’t too far away.
posted on 31/10/21
Ooooooo, I agree and disagree with Nuneaton and Dunge.
Few points from me:
Castagne is a very good player in the right formation when he can interchange and link up with the midfield like Justin does.
Thomas was poor in the first half but very good in the second when the formation was suited to him.
Soumare looked very laboured whatever the formation but better second half.
Kasper - not quite sure what he did wrong all day to be honest. It was what went on in from of him that was the problem.
Otherwise it’s hard to argue with the criticism.
But what you’ve glaringly missed Dunge is that we’re no longer getting the best out of our players and that’s a big concern. I’m fact, some players are starting to play below themselves like Castagne, Soyuncu, Barnes, Thomas abs Maddison. This is fine if it’s the odd one but if it’s a group of players something is wrong.
I tell you what was wrong yesterday. The formation and tactics. 100% this and nothing more.
I think it’s time for Rodgers to look at himself and think about how he changes this. He talks about a high press and intensity but all I see right now is a back 3 passing it between each other before a midfielder gives it away and leaves us exposed on the counter.
Time and time again.
The manager is getting it wrong. But that doesn’t mean the manager is bad or we should get rid. I’m not stupid. What it means is Rodgers needs to look at this and try something different. He’s had the blueprint in a few games and it’s clear we have the players to adapt during a game. So we now need to work out how we start to create space for our key players. Tielemans I’m midfield ans a Vardy up top. Because right now if you nullify them we may as well go home after 5 minutes.
Questions questions questions.
posted on 31/10/21
And I agree with Nuneaton on the atmosphere. For me this can never be artificially created. It has to come from the players as well as the fans.
It was clear in the second half the fans were much more vocal because they had something to actually get behind.
Yes we can do better, but if we come out singing and we get 20 minutes like that yesterday and it’s no wonder we all just sit there crying in to our clappers!
posted on 31/10/21
The press is a mess, to be honest. Not quite as bad yesterday as it was against Brighton midweek, but not everyone commits to it enough. Barnes can be very effective carrying the ball, but defensively he’s terrible. He just tries to avoid getting in on the act. I’d say that he can’t press, but that should be reserved for people like Mendy who just can’t keep up with the athletes of the Premier League. Barnes has no such excuse. The simple conclusion I make is not that he can’t press, but that he won’t press.
But that would be to single him out unfairly when there are just too many people not pressing correctly. I sympathise to an extent with Rodgers on this because we have had injury problems to focus on and he hasn’t had much midweek opportunity to work on it, but such is the life of a top manager. I’ve also heard rumour of players or staff struggling to settle in to the new training ground, and it can be tricky when there’s a move. All in all, this season is already a write-off and I expect there will be some atrocious results and performances to come.
The season being a write-off means we will lose some talent. Tielemans in particular will surely be sold at the end of the season. While I’m sure that’ll get True Blue streaking through Tesco in pure elation, the rest of us recognise that a loss that will be. We’ll also see Vardy a year older, similar Evans and Schmeichel. There could even be bids for the likes of Fofana. Having a duff season will cost us momentum, but I figure we’ll probably have to live with that and look to rebuild, preferably with players who have a lot more potential than we’ve seen from our summer business thus far. Whether Rodgers will want to be a part of that, or whether a club of significant enough size will offer him a route out, is yet to be seen.
posted on 31/10/21
Momentum. That’s a good way to describe it. We’ve certainly stalled for some reason but it confuses me. I think our summer business has been ok. Vestergaard always unplanned and can’t be included but aside Daka looks the real deal, Soumare looks suited fo replacing Tielemans when we lose him and Bertrand for all his criticism started the season very well before Covid.
Add that on top of the talent we already have and we should be progressing. But we’ve stalled.
We stopped pressing when we started to look too open at the back and since that point the wheels have fallen off.
But like the second half yesterday, there’s a lot to be hopeful for and Rodgers seems to have blown hot and cold in his entire time with us.
He’s found answers in the past and hopefully he can find them again.
With Evans fit, this may be the opportunity Lookman and Barnes have been waiting for and if so, they need to take it and start creating goals.
posted on 31/10/21
Tilly was Great ........... for Arsenal, just what they needed, a key player that's easily taken out the game who like his Manager has no clue how to change and adapt, totally one dimensional.
From an Arsenal perspective, his Free Kick staraight into the one man wall was perfect, like his corner straight into Ramsdale's hands.
Not forgettig the number of times he was so easily dispossessed or just gave the ball away.
Not as bad as the Manager though, so easily out played in tactics by opposition Managers, it's embarrassing.
posted on 31/10/21
"Whilst I fully respect the right of everyone to express their opinion and I can usually understand the reasoning behind it, I must confess that I am at a loss to see where our very good friend True Blue is coming from in his views on Youri Tielemans! He is clearly the most creative player we have; God knows where we’d be if he wasn’t playing very nearly every game."
That must be why we're a mid table Team then.
A decent Player with a good eye for an occasional great pass, much like most of the rest of the team though.
You guys are like the British Press with a hald decent young English Player, you've built him up so far it's laughable.
Tilly as MOTM
posted on 31/10/21
Come on TB. The biggest clubs in the world are coming in for Tielemans in the summer. Are they and we all wrong?
This isn’t Ryan McGivern we’re talking about here.
Yes I agree with you that you can nullify Tielemans by pressing him quickly. But he’s not a Messi type of player that just skips round people. He needs the team to work around him, create a bit of space and make the movements for him to pick out. When they do he’s second to none.
Does that make him flawless, no. Does it make him flawed like you make out, absolutely not. He’s an absolute talent and we’re lucky to have him. Who would you replace him with?
posted on 31/10/21
Are they, why didn't they this Summer?
Too easily nullified to be anything more than a Very Good Player,
Ah, back to the Team dpoing all the work for him again, just like other Teams do for the Top Class Players in their team.
Of course, they might be moving for him, how would he know, he spends most of his time increasing his passing stats facing his own goal passing straight abck to the player who just passed to him.
The problem for Tilly is that they're aren't enough Big Teams too arrogant to worry about our players to close them down like the Man Cities or Utd's so he can shine, the rest just take this World Class player out the picture so so easily.
Of course, if his Manager wasn't so one dimensional in his tactics it wouldn't be that every single little pass has to go through him to go straight backwards to the same player time after time.
posted on 31/10/21
Serious question - why don’t we bring in a set piece coach which seems trendy at the minute? It’s clearly an issue for us and someone to come in to focus purely on that can help?
That or we get our tactics right so we’re no conceding them every 5 minutes!
posted on 1/11/21
True Blue - I genuinely hope you are a master WUM, because otherwise your lack of footballing knowledge is embarrassing.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 16 hours, 44 minutes ago
Are they, why didn't they this Summer?
Too easily nullified to be anything more than a Very Good Player,
Ah, back to the Team dpoing all the work for him again, just like other Teams do for the Top Class Players in their team.
Of course, they might be moving for him, how would he know, he spends most of his time increasing his passing stats facing his own goal passing straight abck to the player who just passed to him.
The problem for Tilly is that they're aren't enough Big Teams too arrogant to worry about our players to close them down like the Man Cities or Utd's so he can shine, the rest just take this World Class player out the picture so so easily.
Of course, if his Manager wasn't so one dimensional in his tactics it wouldn't be that every single little pass has to go through him to go straight backwards to the same player time after time.
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Sure I saw that he’s played more forward passes from midfield than anyone in the division so you must be thinking about someone else…
posted on 1/11/21
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-arsenal-talking-points-6139688
Feel like this is. Cheeky rip off of our post match analysis, or maybe sums up the same points as us for a reason!
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