Think most fans have now come to the conclusion that we need better.
Both have been getting stuck in, Laca in particular, but in terms of overall play, both are kind of past it now
Both Lacca and especially Aubameyang are so frustrating and if we want to challenge they have to be sold or replaced they are just average.
They work hard but have zero composure or nuance to be in a top side, time to upgrade our attacking side of the game.
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Bit harsh....you do know that we are not currently a top side, so i don't think it's best to be getting rid of our attack, which is pretty decent imo. Look around and you'll realise our att is decent compared to the rest of the Prem.
We could definitely improve there, and should look to do that in January or the summer. Auba hasn’t been as good as in the past recently, and it’s probably unlikely he will reach those heights again, however I do think we can get more out of him. We still don’t create that many chances for him, and as a whole our team isn’t massively creative so that isn’t helping either. Our play now probably just doesn’t suit a striker like auba, so we probably need a different option, but while we’ve got the options we have I think we could get some more out of them.
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
Lacca had 12 passes the whole game and Aubameyang the less said the better was awful and missed the penalty.
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 17 minutes ago
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
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Really???
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 17 minutes ago
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
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Really???
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I know he’s our best striker but we could do better, imagine we have Suarez at his prime or even a Mane.
Or Ismaila Sarr, what a baller and excellent mentally a fighter I hope we take him next summer.
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 17 minutes ago
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
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Really???
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I know he’s our best striker but we could do better, imagine we have Suarez at his prime or even a Mane.
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I get what your'e saying but you have to be realistic, we are not an attractive proposition right now, no europe and there are a lot more options for top players, Auba had a much bigger name than Sarr when he came, but even that is not enough. The grass isn't always greener.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 17 minutes ago
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
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Really???
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I know he’s our best striker but we could do better, imagine we have Suarez at his prime or even a Mane.
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I get what your'e saying but you have to be realistic, we are not an attractive proposition right now, no europe and there are a lot more options for top players, Auba had a much bigger name than Sarr when he came, but even that is not enough. The grass isn't always greener.
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You mean he’s on decline ok.
Auba's contract finishes in 2024. And he'll still give us c20 goals a season which is something that even Man City don't have. Last season which saw him miss chunks of playing time because of his mother's illness and malaria still saw him score 15 goals.
The idea that there are so many strikers who can give you that output willing to join a club not in the Champions League let alone not in any European competition is laughable.
Laca is the one who needs replacing. He works very hard but lacks creativity, final ball and is hit/miss with his finishing. If Arteta is going to stick with 4-4-1-1 and that system is working atm we need a player who can not only work hard, but also link play and finish the limited opportunities he will have playing slightly deeper.
What I am liking with Laca is that he is very good at buying fouls.
Every team has a player like him whereas historically we have had no one previously
The problem is that buying fouls is not a useful tactic. Refs get wise to it and then actual fouls don't get a free kick. Laca had so many chances to create yesterday, tbf to him a lot he won himself through hard work that went nowhere because he couldn't see the obvious pass or to shoot when he had the opportunity.
The problem is that buying fouls is not a useful tactic
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Dont underestimate that,that was all I heard about from pundits and fans in regards to Jack Grealish being England's saviour all summer...
There may be better options than Lacazette that we can get but he is extremely important right now in terms of how he brings others into play so if he leaves we have to have a ready made replacement - nobody in the club right now can do what he does.
Aubameyang had a truly terrible game but let's not pretend that Nketiah is even close to good enough...👀
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Auba's contract finishes in 2024. And he'll still give us c20 goals a season which is something that even Man City don't have. Last season which saw him miss chunks of playing time because of his mother's illness and malaria still saw him score 15 goals.
The idea that there are so many strikers who can give you that output willing to join a club not in the Champions League let alone not in any European competition is laughable.
Laca is the one who needs replacing. He works very hard but lacks creativity, final ball and is hit/miss with his finishing. If Arteta is going to stick with 4-4-1-1 and that system is working atm we need a player who can not only work hard, but also link play and finish the limited opportunities he will have playing slightly deeper.
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I think Laca is very good at linking the play. Of course there are times when he opts for a slightly easier pass/messes up the final ball, but on the whole I think that’s one of his greatest strengths.
His contribution to the team has been a little undervalued for most of his time at the club imo. The only reason he needs replacing is age/contract situation.
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 10 minutes ago
There may be better options than Lacazette that we can get but he is extremely important right now in terms of how he brings others into play so if he leaves we have to have a ready made replacement - nobody in the club right now can do what he does.
Aubameyang had a truly terrible game but let's not pretend that Nketiah is even close to good enough...👀
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Completely agree for now.
But going forward if Lautaro links last summer, or Jovic for Jan were/are genuine then I can see how the club wants to proceed.
comment by Arshavin's Legacy (U10307)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Auba's contract finishes in 2024. And he'll still give us c20 goals a season which is something that even Man City don't have. Last season which saw him miss chunks of playing time because of his mother's illness and malaria still saw him score 15 goals.
The idea that there are so many strikers who can give you that output willing to join a club not in the Champions League let alone not in any European competition is laughable.
Laca is the one who needs replacing. He works very hard but lacks creativity, final ball and is hit/miss with his finishing. If Arteta is going to stick with 4-4-1-1 and that system is working atm we need a player who can not only work hard, but also link play and finish the limited opportunities he will have playing slightly deeper.
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I think Laca is very good at linking the play. Of course there are times when he opts for a slightly easier pass/messes up the final ball, but on the whole I think that’s one of his greatest strengths.
His contribution to the team has been a little undervalued for most of his time at the club imo. The only reason he needs replacing is age/contract situation.
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One of the keys to 4-4-1-1 in my opinion is tempo of the game. Its the biggest issue we have transitioning the ball from back to front quickly. Its not a new issue because in my opinion, Giroud was guilty of it as Laca is now. I have always believed the closest we came to winning the league post the invincibles season was when we had RVP and Adebayor paired together and we couldn't really replicate that with Cesc.
If Arteta is trying to replicate a modified version of Wenger's tactics then I believe a new no.10 should be next step in the process. Its kinda good timing that Laca's contract is up and tbh I don't see it being renewed.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 6 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 17 minutes ago
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
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Really???
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I know he’s our best striker but we could do better, imagine we have Suarez at his prime or even a Mane.
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I get what your'e saying but you have to be realistic, we are not an attractive proposition right now, no europe and there are a lot more options for top players, Auba had a much bigger name than Sarr when he came, but even that is not enough. The grass isn't always greener.
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Sorry but kind of gets on my nerves when fans say “we are not an attractive proposition anymore” that is complete nonsense! , if that were the case Partey would have stayed at Athletico but obviously we were a big enough draw to convince him to come to us. Arsenal are massive globally just because we’ve been out of the tittle picture for a for a while doesn’t change that fact.
Our attacking play doesn't play to either strikers strengths in fairness. We've been slinging loads of fairly aimless crosses into the box and even a more suitable striker would struggle due to being outnumbered... let alone our two who clearly aren't aerial threats
Honestly I'd rather develope our attacking play properly and see how they do as they are both talented players
"Upgrade" is the wrong word since the two players career records are testament to how good they are. "Replace" would be a fairer term, since they've simply gotten old that's all. That said, their old heads guiding this young team on the pitch can potentially be worth more this season than shipping out Laca to try and get and get some chump change back.
Although I get everyone's finance/contract concern, team harmony is worth a hell of a lot. Assuming we continue in this form, selling Laca in Jan would be one of the most stupid things we could do and it's almost certain to derail form. I'd rather we feck the chump change off, let him go on a free at the end of the season and not risk upsetting what'd be becoming a good season. Could potentially be worth more in league places than the pennies we'll get for Laca now, like the difference between 7th and 4th.
I actually think we need to give him the Armband and let Auba just focus on playing. Lacazette leads by example same as Auba but he also brings far more verbal communication and organising of the players around him. He looks like the captain whilst he's on anyway because the younger players visibly follow HIS lead ahead of Auba's. Team plays with so much more heart and fight when he's on.
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posted on 8/11/21
Think most fans have now come to the conclusion that we need better.
Both have been getting stuck in, Laca in particular, but in terms of overall play, both are kind of past it now
posted on 8/11/21
Both Lacca and especially Aubameyang are so frustrating and if we want to challenge they have to be sold or replaced they are just average.
They work hard but have zero composure or nuance to be in a top side, time to upgrade our attacking side of the game.
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Bit harsh....you do know that we are not currently a top side, so i don't think it's best to be getting rid of our attack, which is pretty decent imo. Look around and you'll realise our att is decent compared to the rest of the Prem.
posted on 8/11/21
We could definitely improve there, and should look to do that in January or the summer. Auba hasn’t been as good as in the past recently, and it’s probably unlikely he will reach those heights again, however I do think we can get more out of him. We still don’t create that many chances for him, and as a whole our team isn’t massively creative so that isn’t helping either. Our play now probably just doesn’t suit a striker like auba, so we probably need a different option, but while we’ve got the options we have I think we could get some more out of them.
posted on 8/11/21
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
posted on 8/11/21
**Isn’t suited’
posted on 8/11/21
Lacca had 12 passes the whole game and Aubameyang the less said the better was awful and missed the penalty.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 17 minutes ago
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
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Really???
posted on 8/11/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 17 minutes ago
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
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Really???
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I know he’s our best striker but we could do better, imagine we have Suarez at his prime or even a Mane.
posted on 8/11/21
Or Ismaila Sarr, what a baller and excellent mentally a fighter I hope we take him next summer.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 17 minutes ago
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
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Really???
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I know he’s our best striker but we could do better, imagine we have Suarez at his prime or even a Mane.
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I get what your'e saying but you have to be realistic, we are not an attractive proposition right now, no europe and there are a lot more options for top players, Auba had a much bigger name than Sarr when he came, but even that is not enough. The grass isn't always greener.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 17 minutes ago
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
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Really???
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I know he’s our best striker but we could do better, imagine we have Suarez at his prime or even a Mane.
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I get what your'e saying but you have to be realistic, we are not an attractive proposition right now, no europe and there are a lot more options for top players, Auba had a much bigger name than Sarr when he came, but even that is not enough. The grass isn't always greener.
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You mean he’s on decline ok.
posted on 8/11/21
Auba's contract finishes in 2024. And he'll still give us c20 goals a season which is something that even Man City don't have. Last season which saw him miss chunks of playing time because of his mother's illness and malaria still saw him score 15 goals.
The idea that there are so many strikers who can give you that output willing to join a club not in the Champions League let alone not in any European competition is laughable.
Laca is the one who needs replacing. He works very hard but lacks creativity, final ball and is hit/miss with his finishing. If Arteta is going to stick with 4-4-1-1 and that system is working atm we need a player who can not only work hard, but also link play and finish the limited opportunities he will have playing slightly deeper.
posted on 8/11/21
What I am liking with Laca is that he is very good at buying fouls.
Every team has a player like him whereas historically we have had no one previously
posted on 8/11/21
The problem is that buying fouls is not a useful tactic. Refs get wise to it and then actual fouls don't get a free kick. Laca had so many chances to create yesterday, tbf to him a lot he won himself through hard work that went nowhere because he couldn't see the obvious pass or to shoot when he had the opportunity.
posted on 8/11/21
The problem is that buying fouls is not a useful tactic
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Dont underestimate that,that was all I heard about from pundits and fans in regards to Jack Grealish being England's saviour all summer...
posted on 8/11/21
There may be better options than Lacazette that we can get but he is extremely important right now in terms of how he brings others into play so if he leaves we have to have a ready made replacement - nobody in the club right now can do what he does.
Aubameyang had a truly terrible game but let's not pretend that Nketiah is even close to good enough...👀
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Auba's contract finishes in 2024. And he'll still give us c20 goals a season which is something that even Man City don't have. Last season which saw him miss chunks of playing time because of his mother's illness and malaria still saw him score 15 goals.
The idea that there are so many strikers who can give you that output willing to join a club not in the Champions League let alone not in any European competition is laughable.
Laca is the one who needs replacing. He works very hard but lacks creativity, final ball and is hit/miss with his finishing. If Arteta is going to stick with 4-4-1-1 and that system is working atm we need a player who can not only work hard, but also link play and finish the limited opportunities he will have playing slightly deeper.
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I think Laca is very good at linking the play. Of course there are times when he opts for a slightly easier pass/messes up the final ball, but on the whole I think that’s one of his greatest strengths.
His contribution to the team has been a little undervalued for most of his time at the club imo. The only reason he needs replacing is age/contract situation.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 10 minutes ago
There may be better options than Lacazette that we can get but he is extremely important right now in terms of how he brings others into play so if he leaves we have to have a ready made replacement - nobody in the club right now can do what he does.
Aubameyang had a truly terrible game but let's not pretend that Nketiah is even close to good enough...👀
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Completely agree for now.
But going forward if Lautaro links last summer, or Jovic for Jan were/are genuine then I can see how the club wants to proceed.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Arshavin's Legacy (U10307)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Auba's contract finishes in 2024. And he'll still give us c20 goals a season which is something that even Man City don't have. Last season which saw him miss chunks of playing time because of his mother's illness and malaria still saw him score 15 goals.
The idea that there are so many strikers who can give you that output willing to join a club not in the Champions League let alone not in any European competition is laughable.
Laca is the one who needs replacing. He works very hard but lacks creativity, final ball and is hit/miss with his finishing. If Arteta is going to stick with 4-4-1-1 and that system is working atm we need a player who can not only work hard, but also link play and finish the limited opportunities he will have playing slightly deeper.
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I think Laca is very good at linking the play. Of course there are times when he opts for a slightly easier pass/messes up the final ball, but on the whole I think that’s one of his greatest strengths.
His contribution to the team has been a little undervalued for most of his time at the club imo. The only reason he needs replacing is age/contract situation.
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One of the keys to 4-4-1-1 in my opinion is tempo of the game. Its the biggest issue we have transitioning the ball from back to front quickly. Its not a new issue because in my opinion, Giroud was guilty of it as Laca is now. I have always believed the closest we came to winning the league post the invincibles season was when we had RVP and Adebayor paired together and we couldn't really replicate that with Cesc.
If Arteta is trying to replicate a modified version of Wenger's tactics then I believe a new no.10 should be next step in the process. Its kinda good timing that Laca's contract is up and tbh I don't see it being renewed.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 6 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 17 minutes ago
Aubameyang is suited to the modern style I would play Nkettia and Lacca and just bring on Aubameyang the last 20 minutes surely, we can do better without the headless Captain.
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Really???
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I know he’s our best striker but we could do better, imagine we have Suarez at his prime or even a Mane.
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I get what your'e saying but you have to be realistic, we are not an attractive proposition right now, no europe and there are a lot more options for top players, Auba had a much bigger name than Sarr when he came, but even that is not enough. The grass isn't always greener.
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Sorry but kind of gets on my nerves when fans say “we are not an attractive proposition anymore” that is complete nonsense! , if that were the case Partey would have stayed at Athletico but obviously we were a big enough draw to convince him to come to us. Arsenal are massive globally just because we’ve been out of the tittle picture for a for a while doesn’t change that fact.
posted on 8/11/21
Our attacking play doesn't play to either strikers strengths in fairness. We've been slinging loads of fairly aimless crosses into the box and even a more suitable striker would struggle due to being outnumbered... let alone our two who clearly aren't aerial threats
Honestly I'd rather develope our attacking play properly and see how they do as they are both talented players
posted on 9/11/21
"Upgrade" is the wrong word since the two players career records are testament to how good they are. "Replace" would be a fairer term, since they've simply gotten old that's all. That said, their old heads guiding this young team on the pitch can potentially be worth more this season than shipping out Laca to try and get and get some chump change back.
Although I get everyone's finance/contract concern, team harmony is worth a hell of a lot. Assuming we continue in this form, selling Laca in Jan would be one of the most stupid things we could do and it's almost certain to derail form. I'd rather we feck the chump change off, let him go on a free at the end of the season and not risk upsetting what'd be becoming a good season. Could potentially be worth more in league places than the pennies we'll get for Laca now, like the difference between 7th and 4th.
I actually think we need to give him the Armband and let Auba just focus on playing. Lacazette leads by example same as Auba but he also brings far more verbal communication and organising of the players around him. He looks like the captain whilst he's on anyway because the younger players visibly follow HIS lead ahead of Auba's. Team plays with so much more heart and fight when he's on.
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