Yeah, we’ll be ok <red wine>

Ah ha...I deduce that you are a maths teacher.

Well, I’ve not had many goals to tot up recently

Oh my stars! While I hope the fans keep supporting goodness knows how this will affect the team on the pitch.

Trying to get the club sold before February to enable incomings is now unimportant as we are relegated even if we sign six Messi equivalents. On the other hand certain of our players may well want to leave and will have to be replaced unless we fill the team with kids so maybe a quick sale would help a little.

I'm just too p----d off to think straight at the moment.

Far from official. The press had us certain for -12 when the EFL charged us last year. Yet we got £100k.
We have not been charged with any other offence yet. All we know is that we were told to resubmit our accounts which we have done. The EFL have not responded to that resubmission and if they do charge us then it goes to a disciplinary committee who’s findings we can appeal.

Hear what you’re saying Ramses (and welcome back btw 👍) but Percy, despite writing for the Telegraph, is usually a good source 👍

comment by ViewFromCroxteth (U1581)
posted 24 minutes ago
Hear what you’re saying Ramses (and welcome back btw 👍) but Percy, despite writing for the Telegraph, is usually a good source 👍
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Exactly. While the regulations may make provision for a disciplinary hearing and appeal there seems to be nothing to stop the EFL and relevant Club from negotiating a "deal." This is presumably what is happening right now. The admors are accepting the need to get this resolved quickly.

I agree Chicago. Though as this is the case why would we accept the top end punishment?

Also -9 puts us down. Not a good outcome for the administrators. Accepting minus -9 just seems baffling especially as the -12 case has been adjourned. We appealled -12. According to Percy we are accepting-12 and -9 that just makes no sense.

utterly gutless if we accept -9 points.

we should be taking the EFL to court and demanding immunity from relegation over the way they've handled this.

our entire chain of actions were based on them giving approval to an accounting technique and it has already been said we acted in good faith over that, even if they later decided to clarify things in a way that put us on the wrong side of their rules.

we've since been punished for that repeatedly with embargoes etc. making the club unattractive, and hindering the process of selling it, which ultimately lead to us going into administration.

had the EFL not signed off the technique we used in the first place, the entire chain of events would have been different, this is their doing, and I don't for a minute believe the club would be so gutless as to accept another penalty based on that.

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Hi, 9ear.

Not sure about suing EFL - there needs to be a cause of action. Good legal advice would be needed first. Also it is irrelevant whether or not the Club can be described as gutless. The decision is for the administrators and them alone and no doubt they will say they are being pragmatic in accepting the EFL sanctions.

But in respect of all the dubious handling of the whole affair (including your points), what is needed is an INDEPENDENT examination by a reputable party. It would, for example, be good if, say, the Telegraph (Percy) would conduct an investigation and publish the results. It would have to be wide-ranging and look in depth at all Derby did or did not do and all the EFL did or did not do and cover the part Gibson has played in it, especially while on the EFL Board.

Meanwhile, as always, it is the supporters and some of the players who will suffer, not the perpetrator.

Geoffrey Cox is supposed to be a "decent" lawyer?

comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted less than a minute ago
Geoffrey Cox is supposed to be a "decent" lawyer?
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...but can we afford him ?

The administrstors' responsibility is to the creditors, not to us, so all they want to do is to sell the club to whoever offers the best deal to the creditors, prinicipally HMRC. I'm guessing that the best offer comes with a timeframe attached and that the EFL have said they are prepared to drag this on indefinitely, in which case the potential buyers will drift away again and there is the real risk of liquidation. So effectively the EFL have said the administrators must accept Derby getting relegated in order for them to allow it. Obviously this is disgraceful but the administators are not DCFC so won't care about relegation unles it were to affect the ability to pay off creditors.

It's very hard to see a silver lining except that it implies that the preferred taskeover option (assuming there is one) isn't overly fussed which division the club will be in next season, or at least it isn't a dealbreaker. That in itself is curious, if correct, because you would think a new owner would harbour ambitions of getting us into the Premier league one day and it's a long old haul from the third division. History tells us though that it can be done, and has been done many times even in recent years, so I would have a tiny bit of optimism if our new ownership seemed the sort who would have the long-term vision and strategy to rebuild over the several years it would be likely to take.

I would add, though, that Spart has reassured us countless times (check the threads, check the threads) that there is absolutely no possibility that we will get a points deduction of any sort, so unless anyone is going to come on here and tell us that Saprt is some sort of numpty who doesn't know what he's talking about then I suggest we all chill the F out and wait for it to inevitably blow over.

I only hope you didn't type that out on a 'phone vidal, just think of the RSI.

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 15 minutes ago
The administrstors' responsibility is to the creditors, not to us, so all they want to do is to sell the club to whoever offers the best deal to the creditors, prinicipally HMRC. I'm guessing that the best offer comes with a timeframe attached and that the EFL have said they are prepared to drag this on indefinitely, in which case the potential buyers will drift away again and there is the real risk of liquidation. So effectively the EFL have said the administrators must accept Derby getting relegated in order for them to allow it. Obviously this is disgraceful but the administators are not DCFC so won't care about relegation unles it were to affect the ability to pay off creditors.

It's very hard to see a silver lining except that it implies that the preferred taskeover option (assuming there is one) isn't overly fussed which division the club will be in next season, or at least it isn't a dealbreaker. That in itself is curious, if correct, because you would think a new owner would harbour ambitions of getting us into the Premier league one day and it's a long old haul from the third division. History tells us though that it can be done, and has been done many times even in recent years, so I would have a tiny bit of optimism if our new ownership seemed the sort who would have the long-term vision and strategy to rebuild over the several years it would be likely to take.

I would add, though, that Spart has reassured us countless times (check the threads, check the threads) that there is absolutely no possibility that we will get a points deduction of any sort, so unless anyone is going to come on here and tell us that Saprt is some sort of numpty who doesn't know what he's talking about then I suggest we all chill the F out and wait for it to inevitably blow over.
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You have just told a lie of Johnson like proportions, I said we wouldn't have any punishment from the sale of the ground if what was said in the club statement was true.This turned out to be the case and you have never forgiven me being right.

The later allegations I never predicted what would happen as I had no information to go on.
What I did say at the time was that with Ken Bates at Leeds making the EFL look foolish, the EFL subsequently applied points deductions for other financial irregularities. I mentioned that the EFL is nothing if not vindictive. That also seems to be correct.

Now you can be man enough to apologise for this libelous comment or you can as the Americans say "double down" in Trump style.

Tee hee

Mornin’ y’all💲💲

Look on the bright side, maybe Bobby Duncan will finally start a game?

Ahh the old dragging your heels gambit.
Very effective use of ancient tactic by the EFL.
This is akin to being forced to sign a full confession.
We should call Amnesty.
In all seriousness as others have said a decent investigative journalist should take a proper look at the whole Derby v EFL issue, it absolutely stinks.

Until the bomb actually drops we know nothing do we... let's wait and see. I don't relish League 1. Yes we got out of it before but look at Sunderland now spending their 4th season there.....

comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Look on the bright side, maybe Bobby Duncan will finally start a game?
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Who is he?

comment by Terry Hennessey (U22420)
posted about 4 hours ago

Until the bomb actually drops we know nothing do we... let's wait and see. I don't relish League 1. Yes we got out of it before but look at Sunderland now spending their 4th season there....


There were 2 other clubs that spent a few season in League 1 but I can't remember who they were.......

Think positive, we can do this.........A low points record in every division! Nil desperandum folks!