Rubbish. No hope after today. We look a beaten team from the word go. We can keep our heads to a point but most of the neggers on here would agree he has not got too long left. A new stage of fixtures come in and if we dont improve then your wrong.

Well said that man.

So as per usual Petrov er is going to take the frankly childish and pathetic view that everyone is entitled to their opinion but if it disagrees with his then they are wrong.

Get a grip. We are 7 games in to the season for christ sake. Yes its been disappointing but we all expected this. Sacking Coyle will solve nothing.

And who could we realistically bring in who would be better. Name some individuals who could replace him who we could realistically have a chance of signing.

Bet you can't name many if any who would do a better job.

Should point out my first comment was addressed to Woody.

You expected united 5-0 Liverpool 3-1 Arsenal 3-0 and Chelsea 5-0 plus Norwich 2-1?

Not being childish just my opinion of desperate comments about how things are fine after today? Comments made by people who can't have sat through yet again what I sat through today.

Rubbish. No hope after today. We look a beaten team from the word go. We can keep our heads to a point but most of the neggers on here would agree he has not got too long left. A new stage of fixtures come in and if we dont improve then your wrong.

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Why is there no hope? there are still 31 games (93 points) left, theres still a lot to play for, however, you haven't read the article properly, have you?

WF I did not. Maybe one those results but I fully expected us to give these teams a game. Last season we nearly beat united and they went on to be champions at the reebok. Since then we have got worse. Players like Pratley are not good enough. When there are things wrong at Bolton that the fans can see yet the manager cant we have problems. Taking Ngog off today was wrong. He may be tired but we have a international break to rest up and correct me if I am wrong he wont be playing for two weeks. Gardner should have played left back from the start and Muamabahold in midfield. Davies should have been on the bench with Mavies playing off the front man. Of course I know nothing. I said over and over again I want Coyle as boss but if things do not pick up and I am worried by what I have seen that they will then what do you suggest? How long if we play like today does nothing change? Mark Hughes to answer your question about who else?

No I didn't expect to get hammered. But I did expect this points tally.

I didn't expect Arsenal to ship 8 goals against United either.

The unexpected happens, thats football.

There is alot of football yet to be played this season. We are not yet doomed, we have better fixtures coming up.

But I'm getting increasingly sick of coming on here and seeing the same old names complaining and moaning and telling everyone they are right and that we're doomed.

I genuinely reckon you want us to fail just so you can come on here and give it the "I told you so" routine.

If even Rebel can produce balanced articles and see the light at the end of the tunnel then nobody has any excuse!

(Note: thats not a dig at you Rebel, I think some of the articles you've produced recently have been great, well balanced and interesting. Keep it up )

I don't think sacking coyle is the solution and I don't think Gartside would sack him any way but I do think he needs help from his backroom staff and maybe needs to bring in a coach to help out who is experienced at this leverl, especially with defending.

As soon as we concede a goal, be it 1st minute or 60th we just crumble and you can guarantee at the moment if we let 1 in then the 2nd will follow not long after.

I never thoight we would win against Arsenal, Liverpool, United and Chelsea but it's the manner of the defeats that really annoys me.

Well if that is the reason to think things are going to change god help us. I want Bolton to fail. That has to be the worst comment on here. In fact it is actually my concern for Bolton to do well that makes me moan. If fact back at you. I think you actually like getting battered by teams just so you can come on here and tell me I am a moaner.

Aaron totally agree with you. A defensive caoch is required as we under Coyle seem to have lost that ability which was always our strength.

Petrov I understand your frustration. I really do but I honestly think you are far too quick to assume we are doomed and that Coyle should be looking over his shoulder. I've followed the trotters for thirty five years and have seen some wonderful highs and horrific lows along the way and this is just a bump in the road compared to the mid eighties as I'm sure you know.

I agree today and the game against Utd were shocking and that Owen got his tactics wrong especially in the first half. Unlike you I believe he'll know that himself and learn from it.

Woody Cornish makes a valid point about our confidence being hurt by facing one top team after another and heads dropping but so do you when you say it's the manager's job to get them back up. Unlike you I firmly believe that Owen can and will do that. He now has two weeks in which to take stock, learn from some of the errors we made and remind the lads that we are not new to the prem by any means and if I were him I'd be telling them that everyone gets a clean slate for the wigan game.

Robbo has got to be dropped. If I had to I'd play a YTS kid there instead of him because every team in the prem knows he's slow and can be turned easily by any right winger with even a modicum of pace.

Jussi can't come back fast enough for me although I still firmly think we made a mistake in selling Ali. Adams just not ready and it showed today.

As to your comment about Mark Hughes I sincerely doubt he'd come here even if Owen was sacked tomorrow and frankly I wouldn't want him anyway.

For now all I can suggest is that everyone takes a deep breath and relaxes a little over the next two weeks and we should get ready to back the manager not sack him and give the players our maximum support because it's times like this when they need us most. We need to be unified, singing with one voice and show them that we are behind them. Of course we have the right to our individual opinions but perhaps we could be a touch more circumspect about how we air them and not be ready to jump on each other's backs seven games into the season when just one win would see us make a significant upward move. I hope we can put our differences aside at least for now because the last thing the trotters need is a divided fanbase again like we had in the last days of the megson era or like we saw at Blackburn yesterday.

COME ON YOU MEN IN WHITE!!!!

PS A really good point from Aaron about a defensive coach or an experienced assistant for Owen. How about Peter Reid?

I honestly believe coyle needs to get rid of the 2 assistants he brought in from burnley and especially the goal keeping coach who also brought with him.

Who ever is the coach at organising set-pieces (I think it's stewart) needs sacking as if that is his job, he doesn't do it well

LPP I want to be positive and take your point but it is not the 80s and in this day and age mangers have to deliver. I personally will give him till after the everton game. I am not happy and voiced that on here yet get behind the team at the bok. If after the everton game we have gained less than 4 points I will call for his head. That will be the end of november and would give someone else a chance to assess current squad and to prepare for jan window. If we are in the bottom three at crimbo and coyle us still boss get ready fizzy pop league. Thats not negative it's reality.

Fair enough Petrov. But can I just ask you to do one thing? Between now and the Everton game will you please give Owen and the lads your complete support? I fully understand your frustration and agree that football is now a results business and the results haven't been good enough YET.

While I don't feel we need to panic I agree that we need to improve fast and I believe we will. If I'm wrong I'll be the first to say so but right now I honestly think that constantly saying we're doomed and talking about replacing the manager harms only ourselves.

Personally I can see us getting a lot more than four points in the next five games and that the break couldn't have come at a better time for us. Owen will turn it around I'm sure and if he gets some help in the backroom I think he'll be able to concentrate on what he does best which is motivating the players to perform above themselves. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Big Sam that way and given some time and some real money I think he could match or even better the results we got in the heady days of Sam's heyday.

So what do you say Petrov? do we stick together and back him 100% at least until the Everton game? I hope so because now is the time when he and the players will need us most

I always back him and I am with you all the way. I reserve one thing! If we get battered like today before Everton to be able to complain.

Absolutely Petrov. If we get battered by a lesser team like we got hammered today I'll be complaining right alongside you. I just don't think that will happen though. There's just no way Owen will allow the players to switch off like that first half again. I honestly feel that by the time Wigan come up the players will know exactly what they have to do and Owen will have instilled in them the self belief to go and do it.

Let's all just be quiet! Bury your heads in the sand, immediately!

I agree today and the game against Utd were shocking and that Owen got his tactics wrong especially in the first half. Unlike you I believe he'll know that himself and learn from it.
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Yes, but WHEN will he learn? That's the $64million question? He's certainly not shown any signs so far since that game! There's not a one of us on here that WANTS Owen Coyle to fail ..far from it .... but if he doesn't turn things around relatively soon .... suffice to say, no player is bigger than the club, as managers are often heard to say ... but neither is any manager!

The club's best interests have to be at the forefront of everything, not personalities, no matter how nice they are ....