comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Oh that wasn't to you ffs. Clearly a clown.
Being 'put off' trying to save the planet was an absolute banger though tbf, so thank you.
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I’m always suspicious of posters on here that rarely ever post, and when they do it’s usually to defend a fringe view or the Tories.
Being put off engaging with a topic by tactics which you personally regard as unpalatable doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. One can become emotionally charged and enter a transient state where engaging becomes less likely. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that in order to obtain broad support for your cause, you should engage with the public in a way that fosters sympathy rather than in a way that generates hostility. Put simply, to get people to listen sympathetically to what you have to say, don't undertake actions that can have a negative impact on them.
I assume though that the cause Insulate Britain was actually trying to instigate change through civil disobedience? Rather than attempting to build a base of support for one of the issues which already has a hugely broad base of support. In which case their actions make more sense with respect to the public - if the intent is to affect change via disruption then it doesn't matter to them if they rile up parts of the public while doing so. These people obviously feel strongly about the issue and to them undertaking these actions are justified by the end goals.
It is not surprising that many will be resistant to being told what ends justify which means and this can be fed into by psychological factors such as tolerance of authority. I think it is unreasonable to expect people who are disrupted by a protest to critically engage with the subject matter at that time. I also think it is unreasonable to expect people to be able to unconsciously dissociate their negative experience with the espoused cause. In that respect, I think that on an unconscious level actions like this can drive people away from the camps that it would be most beneficial to have them in
What has protesting and civil disobedience ever achieved anyway?
Civil disobedience is their modus operandi, as it’s the only way of really having success with your protests. It’s a shame that is the case, as obviously it’s an unpalatable form of protest, but it is what it is and for a lot of people I think they’ll find the ends justify the means.
I'm not really addressing that, I'm addressing why you think it's so unreasonable for some people to not immediately put the cause in front of the actions.
As I said if the idea is to affect change via civil disobedience then go for it, if you feel strongly enough about an issue then it's what you feel you must do. However the nature of how you go about that may or may not provoke a negative reaction from certain quarters of the public and that negative reaction is something that can be understood rather than written off with insults.
I find the concept of being 'put off' trying to save the planet because it made people late for work wholly mental
We're not talking about banning people smoking in pubs or having to muzzle certain breeds of dogs here. The world is on fire.
As said, if something such as this can put you off wanting to support change that will ultimately help benefit every single living organism on our planet you've surely got a spine made of cheese.
Provoking that negative reaction also has its benefits, as it puts climate change at the front and centre of the conversation.
Yep, I think this counter productive view is completely made up.
No way on this planet Gove comes out and says what he has otherwise, or it's at least very unlikely.
Protest and civil disobedience works and has done for hundreds of years.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 50 minutes ago
What has protesting and civil disobedience ever achieved anyway?
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It worked for Mahatma Ghandi
We clearly need to insulate Britain so we don't have to create needless nuclear waste that will cost future generations billions to dispose of instead of squirting a bit of foam in a wall or roll out some wool.
Not saying their tactics are right but they got some guts.
When I walk round where I live and also on the train on many days of the year when it's sunny and see at the most 5% of houses with solar panels whilst we burn coal then you know you live in a country run by people who are making big money at our expense.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
I find the concept of being 'put off' trying to save the planet because it made people late for work wholly mental
We're not talking about banning people smoking in pubs or having to muzzle certain breeds of dogs here. The world is on fire.
As said, if something such as this can put you off wanting to support change that will ultimately help benefit every single living organism on our planet you've surely got a spine made of cheese.
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Equally I find it wholly mental that a group of individuals think that their cause is so worthy they can stop folk working and endanger lives.
Stinks of self importance and arrogance, I bet they are the type of people who put what they're having for tea on Facebook (with pics).
Recently my father fell down the stairs cut his head open and broke some ribs, I got there just after it happened and I thought he'd had it as he was struggling to breath.
The ambulance crew arrived in minutes and were fantastic. They reassured us it wasn't as bad as it looked and got him on the stretcher and off to hospital he went. Had anybody delayed them I would have beat the living daylights out of them and so would anybody else in that position.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
I find the concept of being 'put off' trying to save the planet because it made people late for work wholly mental
We're not talking about banning people smoking in pubs or having to muzzle certain breeds of dogs here. The world is on fire.
As said, if something such as this can put you off wanting to support change that will ultimately help benefit every single living organism on our planet you've surely got a spine made of cheese.
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Equally I find it wholly mental that a group of individuals think that their cause is so worthy they can stop folk working and endanger lives.
Stinks of self importance and arrogance, I bet they are the type of people who put what they're having for tea on Facebook (with pics).
Recently my father fell down the stairs cut his head open and broke some ribs, I got there just after it happened and I thought he'd had it as he was struggling to breath.
The ambulance crew arrived in minutes and were fantastic. They reassured us it wasn't as bad as it looked and got him on the stretcher and off to hospital he went. Had anybody delayed them I would have beat the living daylights out of them and so would anybody else in that position.
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Had you been queued outside of A&E for hours sat in an ambulance would you have battered Boris & Co?
comment by 8==Divock #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
I find the concept of being 'put off' trying to save the planet because it made people late for work wholly mental
We're not talking about banning people smoking in pubs or having to muzzle certain breeds of dogs here. The world is on fire.
As said, if something such as this can put you off wanting to support change that will ultimately help benefit every single living organism on our planet you've surely got a spine made of cheese.
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Equally I find it wholly mental that a group of individuals think that their cause is so worthy they can stop folk working and endanger lives.
Stinks of self importance and arrogance, I bet they are the type of people who put what they're having for tea on Facebook (with pics).
Recently my father fell down the stairs cut his head open and broke some ribs, I got there just after it happened and I thought he'd had it as he was struggling to breath.
The ambulance crew arrived in minutes and were fantastic. They reassured us it wasn't as bad as it looked and got him on the stretcher and off to hospital he went. Had anybody delayed them I would have beat the living daylights out of them and so would anybody else in that position.
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Had you been queued outside of A&E for hours sat in an ambulance would you have battered Boris & Co?
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Pawl doesn’t want to address the real possibility of that happening and would sooner focus his anger on a hypothetical situation instead.
Equally I find it wholly mental that a group of individuals think that their cause is so worthy they can stop folk working and endanger lives.
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You must live a very sheltered life.
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posted on 19/11/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Oh that wasn't to you ffs. Clearly a clown.
Being 'put off' trying to save the planet was an absolute banger though tbf, so thank you.
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I’m always suspicious of posters on here that rarely ever post, and when they do it’s usually to defend a fringe view or the Tories.
posted on 19/11/21
Being put off engaging with a topic by tactics which you personally regard as unpalatable doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. One can become emotionally charged and enter a transient state where engaging becomes less likely. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that in order to obtain broad support for your cause, you should engage with the public in a way that fosters sympathy rather than in a way that generates hostility. Put simply, to get people to listen sympathetically to what you have to say, don't undertake actions that can have a negative impact on them.
I assume though that the cause Insulate Britain was actually trying to instigate change through civil disobedience? Rather than attempting to build a base of support for one of the issues which already has a hugely broad base of support. In which case their actions make more sense with respect to the public - if the intent is to affect change via disruption then it doesn't matter to them if they rile up parts of the public while doing so. These people obviously feel strongly about the issue and to them undertaking these actions are justified by the end goals.
It is not surprising that many will be resistant to being told what ends justify which means and this can be fed into by psychological factors such as tolerance of authority. I think it is unreasonable to expect people who are disrupted by a protest to critically engage with the subject matter at that time. I also think it is unreasonable to expect people to be able to unconsciously dissociate their negative experience with the espoused cause. In that respect, I think that on an unconscious level actions like this can drive people away from the camps that it would be most beneficial to have them in
posted on 19/11/21
What has protesting and civil disobedience ever achieved anyway?
posted on 19/11/21
Civil disobedience is their modus operandi, as it’s the only way of really having success with your protests. It’s a shame that is the case, as obviously it’s an unpalatable form of protest, but it is what it is and for a lot of people I think they’ll find the ends justify the means.
posted on 19/11/21
I'm not really addressing that, I'm addressing why you think it's so unreasonable for some people to not immediately put the cause in front of the actions.
As I said if the idea is to affect change via civil disobedience then go for it, if you feel strongly enough about an issue then it's what you feel you must do. However the nature of how you go about that may or may not provoke a negative reaction from certain quarters of the public and that negative reaction is something that can be understood rather than written off with insults.
posted on 19/11/21
I find the concept of being 'put off' trying to save the planet because it made people late for work wholly mental
We're not talking about banning people smoking in pubs or having to muzzle certain breeds of dogs here. The world is on fire.
As said, if something such as this can put you off wanting to support change that will ultimately help benefit every single living organism on our planet you've surely got a spine made of cheese.
posted on 19/11/21
Provoking that negative reaction also has its benefits, as it puts climate change at the front and centre of the conversation.
posted on 19/11/21
Yep, I think this counter productive view is completely made up.
No way on this planet Gove comes out and says what he has otherwise, or it's at least very unlikely.
Protest and civil disobedience works and has done for hundreds of years.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 50 minutes ago
What has protesting and civil disobedience ever achieved anyway?
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It worked for Mahatma Ghandi
posted on 19/11/21
We clearly need to insulate Britain so we don't have to create needless nuclear waste that will cost future generations billions to dispose of instead of squirting a bit of foam in a wall or roll out some wool.
Not saying their tactics are right but they got some guts.
When I walk round where I live and also on the train on many days of the year when it's sunny and see at the most 5% of houses with solar panels whilst we burn coal then you know you live in a country run by people who are making big money at our expense.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
I find the concept of being 'put off' trying to save the planet because it made people late for work wholly mental
We're not talking about banning people smoking in pubs or having to muzzle certain breeds of dogs here. The world is on fire.
As said, if something such as this can put you off wanting to support change that will ultimately help benefit every single living organism on our planet you've surely got a spine made of cheese.
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Equally I find it wholly mental that a group of individuals think that their cause is so worthy they can stop folk working and endanger lives.
Stinks of self importance and arrogance, I bet they are the type of people who put what they're having for tea on Facebook (with pics).
Recently my father fell down the stairs cut his head open and broke some ribs, I got there just after it happened and I thought he'd had it as he was struggling to breath.
The ambulance crew arrived in minutes and were fantastic. They reassured us it wasn't as bad as it looked and got him on the stretcher and off to hospital he went. Had anybody delayed them I would have beat the living daylights out of them and so would anybody else in that position.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
I find the concept of being 'put off' trying to save the planet because it made people late for work wholly mental
We're not talking about banning people smoking in pubs or having to muzzle certain breeds of dogs here. The world is on fire.
As said, if something such as this can put you off wanting to support change that will ultimately help benefit every single living organism on our planet you've surely got a spine made of cheese.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Equally I find it wholly mental that a group of individuals think that their cause is so worthy they can stop folk working and endanger lives.
Stinks of self importance and arrogance, I bet they are the type of people who put what they're having for tea on Facebook (with pics).
Recently my father fell down the stairs cut his head open and broke some ribs, I got there just after it happened and I thought he'd had it as he was struggling to breath.
The ambulance crew arrived in minutes and were fantastic. They reassured us it wasn't as bad as it looked and got him on the stretcher and off to hospital he went. Had anybody delayed them I would have beat the living daylights out of them and so would anybody else in that position.
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Had you been queued outside of A&E for hours sat in an ambulance would you have battered Boris & Co?
posted on 19/11/21
comment by 8==Divock #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
I find the concept of being 'put off' trying to save the planet because it made people late for work wholly mental
We're not talking about banning people smoking in pubs or having to muzzle certain breeds of dogs here. The world is on fire.
As said, if something such as this can put you off wanting to support change that will ultimately help benefit every single living organism on our planet you've surely got a spine made of cheese.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Equally I find it wholly mental that a group of individuals think that their cause is so worthy they can stop folk working and endanger lives.
Stinks of self importance and arrogance, I bet they are the type of people who put what they're having for tea on Facebook (with pics).
Recently my father fell down the stairs cut his head open and broke some ribs, I got there just after it happened and I thought he'd had it as he was struggling to breath.
The ambulance crew arrived in minutes and were fantastic. They reassured us it wasn't as bad as it looked and got him on the stretcher and off to hospital he went. Had anybody delayed them I would have beat the living daylights out of them and so would anybody else in that position.
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Had you been queued outside of A&E for hours sat in an ambulance would you have battered Boris & Co?
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Pawl doesn’t want to address the real possibility of that happening and would sooner focus his anger on a hypothetical situation instead.
posted on 19/11/21
Equally I find it wholly mental that a group of individuals think that their cause is so worthy they can stop folk working and endanger lives.
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You must live a very sheltered life.
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