Every human body is different immune system and these studies try to encompass a whole population. Small sample stuff like 12 guys on a night or isn't statistical.
I was pashed off cos I caught it in Sep right before I was due to travel. The NHS antibody blood sample was rejected for some reason so I paid for a private one as proof of recent infection in case I passed the pre-travel PCR but failed the on arrival one.
Desite it being taken at what should have been peak antibody ~10 days after infection it came back as 'normal' - no antibodies - I was x2 jabbed at the time. It was like mild flu and probably mild covid but very frustrating.
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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“With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant…”
Also demonstrably complete and utter shyyte.
One single link to a study or data backing that statement up please.
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I'd say you just have to look at all the positive tests no? 70% off the country double jabbed yet we're at numbers of infection higher than at any time during the pandemic. But hey... You're entrenched in your views. I certainly won't sway you
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No; you have to look at the studies written by academics who are experts in the field and who have built careers gathering and analysing data.
My views are absolutely changeable. That’s how science works.
Provide a link to a study which confirms that “with this new strain, the vaccine is irrelevant” and you may challenge my currently held belief.
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Just seems like media pandering. I'm sure many things are taken into consideration when signing a player, but if he's good enough and at the right price. It'll be low down on the list of order.
With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant, everyone I know and work with currently with the virus has the vaccine. 12 of us went out to town on the 18th, 9 with th vaccine, all have it, 3 without are covid free. The vaccine works for 10 weeks the latest studies to come out this week show, I had covid in June and my antibodies are still working strong.
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Sorry, but you've made that up, haven't you? Or did the three who haven't had the vaccine just not bother to test? Because it just sounds far far too perfect to not be a load of BS. And if it is, it begs the question as to why anti-vaxxers need to make things up to support their strange position.
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No that's 100% legit but of you wish to believe it or not that's not my problem..I have nothing to gain or lose. People are free to choose vaccination or not..if people wish to have good for them, if people don't, I don't really care. Everyone has their own reasons. But absolutely one fact is 9/12 vaccinated have the virus since the night out. The ones unvaccinated do not, natural antibodies are a far better protection to the virus.
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Nope; he was right - you’ve posted utter bullsheet above.
Please provide a link to this new study you mentioned - any study - that demonstrates that “the vaccine works for ten weeks”.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4
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Just Google vaccine 10 weeks, you'll see all the media outlets publishing the findings.
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Hahahahahahahaha, you’ve just read a couple of headlines, haven’t you?
You Google it, find the link to the study, read the facking study, and, if you like, come back and apologise to everybody for talking utter shiiiiit.
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I follow this pandemic in detail and have done since the first day when it appeared, much to the amusement of my friends who said it's a storm in a teacup at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html
There is one link, can't get any more liberal than the NYTimes, you'll lap it up and walk yourself to the gas chamber fod such media outlets if that's what they told you to do. It's undeniable and the world accepts, 10 weeks. The whole point of science is to continue research, refine your data and come to new conclusions, your scientists say 10 weeks. Now bend and accept.
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comment by Nsno-let us pray (U22663)
posted 5 minutes ago
Just seems like media pandering. I'm sure many things are taken into consideration when signing a player, but if he's good enough and at the right price. It'll be low down on the list of order.
With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant, everyone I know and work with currently with the virus has the vaccine. 12 of us went out to town on the 18th, 9 with th vaccine, all have it, 3 without are covid free. The vaccine works for 10 weeks the latest studies to come out this week show, I had covid in June and my antibodies are still working strong.
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Sorry, but you've made that up, haven't you? Or did the three who haven't had the vaccine just not bother to test? Because it just sounds far far too perfect to not be a load of BS. And if it is, it begs the question as to why anti-vaxxers need to make things up to support their strange position.
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No that's 100% legit but of you wish to believe it or not that's not my problem..I have nothing to gain or lose. People are free to choose vaccination or not..if people wish to have good for them, if people don't, I don't really care. Everyone has their own reasons. But absolutely one fact is 9/12 vaccinated have the virus since the night out. The ones unvaccinated do not, natural antibodies are a far better protection to the virus.
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Nope; he was right - you’ve posted utter bullsheet above.
Please provide a link to this new study you mentioned - any study - that demonstrates that “the vaccine works for ten weeks”.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4
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Just Google vaccine 10 weeks, you'll see all the media outlets publishing the findings.
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Hahahahahahahaha, you’ve just read a couple of headlines, haven’t you?
You Google it, find the link to the study, read the facking study, and, if you like, come back and apologise to everybody for talking utter shiiiiit.
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I follow this pandemic in detail and have done since the first day when it appeared, much to the amusement of my friends who said it's a storm in a teacup at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html
There is one link, can't get any more liberal than the NYTimes, you'll lap it up and walk yourself to the gas chamber fod such media outlets if that's what they told you to do. It's undeniable and the world accepts, 10 weeks. The whole point of science is to continue research, refine your data and come to new conclusions, your scientists say 10 weeks. Now bend and accept.
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Here’s the summary cited in the article:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf
Skip to page 24, where it starts the discussion about vaccine effectiveness against Omicron. Read the three pages from there.
When you’ve done so, by all means, come back and apologise.
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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comment by Nsno-let us pray (U22663)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
“With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant…”
Also demonstrably complete and utter shyyte.
One single link to a study or data backing that statement up please.
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I'd say you just have to look at all the positive tests no? 70% off the country double jabbed yet we're at numbers of infection higher than at any time during the pandemic. But hey... You're entrenched in your views. I certainly won't sway you
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No; you have to look at the studies written by academics who are experts in the field and who have built careers gathering and analysing data.
My views are absolutely changeable. That’s how science works.
Provide a link to a study which confirms that “with this new strain, the vaccine is irrelevant” and you may challenge my currently held belief.
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How do you explain record numbers of infection? That's also not taking into consideration the saturation rate of available tests or the people who don't even know they have it or done lateral flow tests but not reported their results to the NHS so they aren't hounded by call centre staff. The fact of the matter is more people are vaccinated that at any time during the pandemic correct? And more people have the virus than at any time during the pandemic correc? Explain... Or answer me back in say 3/4 weeks when the obvious data is confirmed by scientific study that against Omicron the vaccine on th whole is useless.
A bit more from the same on vaccine effectiveness against Omicron for you:
“It will be a few weeks before effectiveness against severe disease with Omicron can be estimated, however based on experience with previous variants, this is likely to be substantially higher than the estimates against symptomatic disease.”
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comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Nsno-let us pray (U22663)
posted 5 minutes ago
Just seems like media pandering. I'm sure many things are taken into consideration when signing a player, but if he's good enough and at the right price. It'll be low down on the list of order.
With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant, everyone I know and work with currently with the virus has the vaccine. 12 of us went out to town on the 18th, 9 with th vaccine, all have it, 3 without are covid free. The vaccine works for 10 weeks the latest studies to come out this week show, I had covid in June and my antibodies are still working strong.
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Sorry, but you've made that up, haven't you? Or did the three who haven't had the vaccine just not bother to test? Because it just sounds far far too perfect to not be a load of BS. And if it is, it begs the question as to why anti-vaxxers need to make things up to support their strange position.
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No that's 100% legit but of you wish to believe it or not that's not my problem..I have nothing to gain or lose. People are free to choose vaccination or not..if people wish to have good for them, if people don't, I don't really care. Everyone has their own reasons. But absolutely one fact is 9/12 vaccinated have the virus since the night out. The ones unvaccinated do not, natural antibodies are a far better protection to the virus.
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Nope; he was right - you’ve posted utter bullsheet above.
Please provide a link to this new study you mentioned - any study - that demonstrates that “the vaccine works for ten weeks”.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4
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Just Google vaccine 10 weeks, you'll see all the media outlets publishing the findings.
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Hahahahahahahaha, you’ve just read a couple of headlines, haven’t you?
You Google it, find the link to the study, read the facking study, and, if you like, come back and apologise to everybody for talking utter shiiiiit.
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I follow this pandemic in detail and have done since the first day when it appeared, much to the amusement of my friends who said it's a storm in a teacup at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html
There is one link, can't get any more liberal than the NYTimes, you'll lap it up and walk yourself to the gas chamber fod such media outlets if that's what they told you to do. It's undeniable and the world accepts, 10 weeks. The whole point of science is to continue research, refine your data and come to new conclusions, your scientists say 10 weeks. Now bend and accept.
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Here’s the summary cited in the article:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf
Skip to page 24, where it starts the discussion about vaccine effectiveness against Omicron. Read the three pages from there.
When you’ve done so, by all means, come back and apologise.
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Honest question. Of all the people you know who have covid... How many are vaccinated and how many are unvaccinated? I ask everyone to answer that question for themselves. You'll know the truth of the matter. This strain the vaccine wasn't designed for, I have no issues with people being vaccinated and I have absolutely nothing to gain from my views. We all know the truth when you forget all this politicised divide and conquer nonce sense.
Risk of death or serious illness for 98% of mankind nominal to non. Risk of death for the elderly, severely vulnerable and poverty stricken it goes up, but hey gale force winds will knock a large portion of those unfortunate individuals from this earth.
You Google it, find the link to the study, read the facking study, and, if you like, come back and apologise to everybody for talking utter shiiiiit.
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
“With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant…”
Also demonstrably complete and utter shyyte.
One single link to a study or data backing that statement up please.
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I'd say you just have to look at all the positive tests no? 70% off the country double jabbed yet we're at numbers of infection higher than at any time during the pandemic. But hey... You're entrenched in your views. I certainly won't sway you
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No; you have to look at the studies written by academics who are experts in the field and who have built careers gathering and analysing data.
My views are absolutely changeable. That’s how science works.
Provide a link to a study which confirms that “with this new strain, the vaccine is irrelevant” and you may challenge my currently held belief.
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How do you explain record numbers of infection? That's also not taking into consideration the saturation rate of available tests or the people who don't even know they have it or done lateral flow tests but not reported their results to the NHS so they aren't hounded by call centre staff. The fact of the matter is more people are vaccinated that at any time during the pandemic correct? And more people have the virus than at any time during the pandemic correc? Explain... Or answer me back in say 3/4 weeks when the obvious data is confirmed by scientific study that against Omicron the vaccine on th whole is useless.
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There are a whole raft of reasons for the number of positive tests, the most obvious being the much higher transmissibility of Omicron, but also:
- Waning (changing, really) immunity, both post-infection and vaccine-induced, which we’ve always known would happen (particularly antibody counts)
- It’s party and family gathering season
- Busy high streets
- More people back to work
- Mask and distancing fatigue
- 50% increase in the number of tests being taken vs early Nov
The data shows that the vaccines are still working, as the study linked from your article demonstrates very clearly. And it’s the data that matters; not the headlines, or your interpretation of them.
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comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
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comment by Nsno-let us pray (U22663)
posted 5 minutes ago
Just seems like media pandering. I'm sure many things are taken into consideration when signing a player, but if he's good enough and at the right price. It'll be low down on the list of order.
With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant, everyone I know and work with currently with the virus has the vaccine. 12 of us went out to town on the 18th, 9 with th vaccine, all have it, 3 without are covid free. The vaccine works for 10 weeks the latest studies to come out this week show, I had covid in June and my antibodies are still working strong.
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Sorry, but you've made that up, haven't you? Or did the three who haven't had the vaccine just not bother to test? Because it just sounds far far too perfect to not be a load of BS. And if it is, it begs the question as to why anti-vaxxers need to make things up to support their strange position.
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No that's 100% legit but of you wish to believe it or not that's not my problem..I have nothing to gain or lose. People are free to choose vaccination or not..if people wish to have good for them, if people don't, I don't really care. Everyone has their own reasons. But absolutely one fact is 9/12 vaccinated have the virus since the night out. The ones unvaccinated do not, natural antibodies are a far better protection to the virus.
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Nope; he was right - you’ve posted utter bullsheet above.
Please provide a link to this new study you mentioned - any study - that demonstrates that “the vaccine works for ten weeks”.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4
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Just Google vaccine 10 weeks, you'll see all the media outlets publishing the findings.
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Hahahahahahahaha, you’ve just read a couple of headlines, haven’t you?
You Google it, find the link to the study, read the facking study, and, if you like, come back and apologise to everybody for talking utter shiiiiit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I follow this pandemic in detail and have done since the first day when it appeared, much to the amusement of my friends who said it's a storm in a teacup at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html
There is one link, can't get any more liberal than the NYTimes, you'll lap it up and walk yourself to the gas chamber fod such media outlets if that's what they told you to do. It's undeniable and the world accepts, 10 weeks. The whole point of science is to continue research, refine your data and come to new conclusions, your scientists say 10 weeks. Now bend and accept.
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Here’s the summary cited in the article:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf
Skip to page 24, where it starts the discussion about vaccine effectiveness against Omicron. Read the three pages from there.
When you’ve done so, by all means, come back and apologise.
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Honest question. Of all the people you know who have covid... How many are vaccinated and how many are unvaccinated? I ask everyone to answer that question for themselves. You'll know the truth of the matter. This strain the vaccine wasn't designed for, I have no issues with people being vaccinated and I have absolutely nothing to gain from my views. We all know the truth when you forget all this politicised divide and conquer nonce sense.
Risk of death or serious illness for 98% of mankind nominal to non. Risk of death for the elderly, severely vulnerable and poverty stricken it goes up, but hey gale force winds will knock a large portion of those unfortunate individuals from this earth.
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“Of all the people you know who have covid... How many are vaccinated and how many are unvaccinated?“
Completely and utterly irrelevant.
As it happens, I live in a country which has managed to vaccinate nearly everyone who has been eligible for vaccination, and despite the daily case rate being almost as high as it was during our highest peak (last winter for us), our daily mortality rate right now is at around *one twentieth* of the mortality rate during that previous peak.
Various reasons for that. One - and probably the most important - is that the vaccines have worked, and continue to work, against all of the VoCs which have emerged to date, including Omicron.
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posted 9 minutes ago
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.
The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.
And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.
The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.
And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
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His contentions were:
“The vaccine works for ten weeks…”
Demonstrably untrue, as the data his own link was based on confirmed, for all booster combinations, including AZ. (I do not live in the UK, and few countries primarily used AZ for the primary course.)
35% effectiveness, by the way (although demonstrating the need to consider a fourth dose, as well as shifting to new versions of the vaccines which may be more effective against Omicron) are odds I will take over 0%.
“With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant…”
Demonstrably untrue, again, as his own link confirmed.
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posted 19 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.
The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.
And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
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His contentions were:
“The vaccine works for ten weeks…”
Demonstrably untrue, as the data his own link was based on confirmed, for all booster combinations, including AZ. (I do not live in the UK, and few countries primarily used AZ for the primary course.)
35% effectiveness, by the way (although demonstrating the need to consider a fourth dose, as well as shifting to new versions of the vaccines which may be more effective against Omicron) are odds I will take over 0%.
“With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant…”
Demonstrably untrue, again, as his own link confirmed.
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Worth also adding that we’re only talking about preventing symptomatic COVID-19, and, as stated in the Technical Briefing, the vaccines will probably still be even more effective in preventing hospitalisation, ICU stays, and death.
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Just so you know, NHS staff will only receive the Pfizer jab, with the shortening times between doses. blood clots are becoming a serious issue with Moderna and Astra jabs. Something th media will not tell you. But it's legit
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Why won't the media tell us? Are the shadowy unelected ruling elite compensating them for the readership and advertising revenue their journalism would otherwise generate?
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posted 45 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.
The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.
And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
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How are all these facts? they're still collecting data.
Another pub expert
The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting Covid, so it’s a pretty dumb notion to suspect an unvaccinated player can repeatedly get Covid, but those vaccinated cannot.
Better to look at a players lifestyle in my opinion. It’s also the socially responsible thing to do, so I would understand if they said they’d prefer a player who wants a vaccine.
Everybody I know who has got Covid over Christmas is vaccinated. It seemingly makes no difference in terms of contracting the virus, if it helps stop it spreading then great.
They’re also not sick at all. Whether that’s down to the vaccine or the weakened omicron, I’ll leave to the scientists.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.
The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.
And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
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How are all these facts? they're still collecting data.
Another pub expert
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The virus is less than 3 years old, at what point is the data considered “collected”?
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comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
Scientists are the most inherently argumentative community on the planet, and the peer review process is brutal. There is no chance the vaccines would have passed clinical trials if there was any suggestion at all of political pressure.
The fact that they're still in the monitoring period (in line with standard practice for any new pharmaceticals) means that the review (not approval) process in ongoing, so the suggestion of unscientific approval is nonsense.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the clinical trails won't actually be completed, and there's some red flags around the methodology in the first place (trials conducted on mostly - or even exclusively - people in lower risk categories for Covid19 to begin with, for eg). A couple of the manufacturers I believe basically ended their trials by unblinding their control group. Maybe all of them did - I can't remember. The British Medical Journal published a commentary back along.
Personally I've no firm idea about the trials having not read too much on them recently. But are you *absolutely* sure - would bet your family's life, for instance - on what you said;
"the suggestion of unscientific approval is nonsense."??
I ask because we already know that improper science does indeed lead to medical products entering the market that later turn out to be problematic - catastrophic even - for patients. There's a very interesting and revealing documentary on Netflix called The Bleeding Edge which examines implanted devices (like hip replacements) and their not so difficult route to market. It's endorsed (the documentary, that is) by the BMJ.
For the record, I'm not saying this is the case with the jabs (that they are problematic or unsafe etc). I'm just challenging the underlying assumption that everything that passes to market must be hunky dory.
You’re an idiot if you’d choose to remain unvaccinated.
Where do you guys stand on this? If a top class player becomes available but they aren’t jabbed up would you agree with those managers?
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On the basis that top footballers in their 20's are fit, healthy and not likely to require hospitalisation/not in a high risk category for Covid, then I'd not personally have any issue with the club signing a player that hasn't been jabbed for Covid. The risk of being hospitalised at these ages is very very small, so I don't really understand the reactions of many to the idea of a professional athlete not being jabbed.
Is it better if they are jabbed? Sure, in terms of limiting their own risk. But it's their choice & I don't really see grounds for a discriminatory transfer policy on that basis.
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Every human body is different immune system and these studies try to encompass a whole population. Small sample stuff like 12 guys on a night or isn't statistical.
I was pashed off cos I caught it in Sep right before I was due to travel. The NHS antibody blood sample was rejected for some reason so I paid for a private one as proof of recent infection in case I passed the pre-travel PCR but failed the on arrival one.
Desite it being taken at what should have been peak antibody ~10 days after infection it came back as 'normal' - no antibodies - I was x2 jabbed at the time. It was like mild flu and probably mild covid but very frustrating.
posted on 27/12/21
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“With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant…”
Also demonstrably complete and utter shyyte.
One single link to a study or data backing that statement up please.
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I'd say you just have to look at all the positive tests no? 70% off the country double jabbed yet we're at numbers of infection higher than at any time during the pandemic. But hey... You're entrenched in your views. I certainly won't sway you
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No; you have to look at the studies written by academics who are experts in the field and who have built careers gathering and analysing data.
My views are absolutely changeable. That’s how science works.
Provide a link to a study which confirms that “with this new strain, the vaccine is irrelevant” and you may challenge my currently held belief.
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Just seems like media pandering. I'm sure many things are taken into consideration when signing a player, but if he's good enough and at the right price. It'll be low down on the list of order.
With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant, everyone I know and work with currently with the virus has the vaccine. 12 of us went out to town on the 18th, 9 with th vaccine, all have it, 3 without are covid free. The vaccine works for 10 weeks the latest studies to come out this week show, I had covid in June and my antibodies are still working strong.
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Sorry, but you've made that up, haven't you? Or did the three who haven't had the vaccine just not bother to test? Because it just sounds far far too perfect to not be a load of BS. And if it is, it begs the question as to why anti-vaxxers need to make things up to support their strange position.
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No that's 100% legit but of you wish to believe it or not that's not my problem..I have nothing to gain or lose. People are free to choose vaccination or not..if people wish to have good for them, if people don't, I don't really care. Everyone has their own reasons. But absolutely one fact is 9/12 vaccinated have the virus since the night out. The ones unvaccinated do not, natural antibodies are a far better protection to the virus.
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Nope; he was right - you’ve posted utter bullsheet above.
Please provide a link to this new study you mentioned - any study - that demonstrates that “the vaccine works for ten weeks”.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4
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Just Google vaccine 10 weeks, you'll see all the media outlets publishing the findings.
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Hahahahahahahaha, you’ve just read a couple of headlines, haven’t you?
You Google it, find the link to the study, read the facking study, and, if you like, come back and apologise to everybody for talking utter shiiiiit.
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I follow this pandemic in detail and have done since the first day when it appeared, much to the amusement of my friends who said it's a storm in a teacup at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html
There is one link, can't get any more liberal than the NYTimes, you'll lap it up and walk yourself to the gas chamber fod such media outlets if that's what they told you to do. It's undeniable and the world accepts, 10 weeks. The whole point of science is to continue research, refine your data and come to new conclusions, your scientists say 10 weeks. Now bend and accept.
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Just seems like media pandering. I'm sure many things are taken into consideration when signing a player, but if he's good enough and at the right price. It'll be low down on the list of order.
With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant, everyone I know and work with currently with the virus has the vaccine. 12 of us went out to town on the 18th, 9 with th vaccine, all have it, 3 without are covid free. The vaccine works for 10 weeks the latest studies to come out this week show, I had covid in June and my antibodies are still working strong.
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Sorry, but you've made that up, haven't you? Or did the three who haven't had the vaccine just not bother to test? Because it just sounds far far too perfect to not be a load of BS. And if it is, it begs the question as to why anti-vaxxers need to make things up to support their strange position.
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No that's 100% legit but of you wish to believe it or not that's not my problem..I have nothing to gain or lose. People are free to choose vaccination or not..if people wish to have good for them, if people don't, I don't really care. Everyone has their own reasons. But absolutely one fact is 9/12 vaccinated have the virus since the night out. The ones unvaccinated do not, natural antibodies are a far better protection to the virus.
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Nope; he was right - you’ve posted utter bullsheet above.
Please provide a link to this new study you mentioned - any study - that demonstrates that “the vaccine works for ten weeks”.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4
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Just Google vaccine 10 weeks, you'll see all the media outlets publishing the findings.
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Hahahahahahahaha, you’ve just read a couple of headlines, haven’t you?
You Google it, find the link to the study, read the facking study, and, if you like, come back and apologise to everybody for talking utter shiiiiit.
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I follow this pandemic in detail and have done since the first day when it appeared, much to the amusement of my friends who said it's a storm in a teacup at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html
There is one link, can't get any more liberal than the NYTimes, you'll lap it up and walk yourself to the gas chamber fod such media outlets if that's what they told you to do. It's undeniable and the world accepts, 10 weeks. The whole point of science is to continue research, refine your data and come to new conclusions, your scientists say 10 weeks. Now bend and accept.
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Here’s the summary cited in the article:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf
Skip to page 24, where it starts the discussion about vaccine effectiveness against Omicron. Read the three pages from there.
When you’ve done so, by all means, come back and apologise.
posted on 27/12/21
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
posted on 27/12/21
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“With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant…”
Also demonstrably complete and utter shyyte.
One single link to a study or data backing that statement up please.
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I'd say you just have to look at all the positive tests no? 70% off the country double jabbed yet we're at numbers of infection higher than at any time during the pandemic. But hey... You're entrenched in your views. I certainly won't sway you
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No; you have to look at the studies written by academics who are experts in the field and who have built careers gathering and analysing data.
My views are absolutely changeable. That’s how science works.
Provide a link to a study which confirms that “with this new strain, the vaccine is irrelevant” and you may challenge my currently held belief.
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How do you explain record numbers of infection? That's also not taking into consideration the saturation rate of available tests or the people who don't even know they have it or done lateral flow tests but not reported their results to the NHS so they aren't hounded by call centre staff. The fact of the matter is more people are vaccinated that at any time during the pandemic correct? And more people have the virus than at any time during the pandemic correc? Explain... Or answer me back in say 3/4 weeks when the obvious data is confirmed by scientific study that against Omicron the vaccine on th whole is useless.
posted on 27/12/21
A bit more from the same on vaccine effectiveness against Omicron for you:
“It will be a few weeks before effectiveness against severe disease with Omicron can be estimated, however based on experience with previous variants, this is likely to be substantially higher than the estimates against symptomatic disease.”
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Just seems like media pandering. I'm sure many things are taken into consideration when signing a player, but if he's good enough and at the right price. It'll be low down on the list of order.
With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant, everyone I know and work with currently with the virus has the vaccine. 12 of us went out to town on the 18th, 9 with th vaccine, all have it, 3 without are covid free. The vaccine works for 10 weeks the latest studies to come out this week show, I had covid in June and my antibodies are still working strong.
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Sorry, but you've made that up, haven't you? Or did the three who haven't had the vaccine just not bother to test? Because it just sounds far far too perfect to not be a load of BS. And if it is, it begs the question as to why anti-vaxxers need to make things up to support their strange position.
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No that's 100% legit but of you wish to believe it or not that's not my problem..I have nothing to gain or lose. People are free to choose vaccination or not..if people wish to have good for them, if people don't, I don't really care. Everyone has their own reasons. But absolutely one fact is 9/12 vaccinated have the virus since the night out. The ones unvaccinated do not, natural antibodies are a far better protection to the virus.
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Nope; he was right - you’ve posted utter bullsheet above.
Please provide a link to this new study you mentioned - any study - that demonstrates that “the vaccine works for ten weeks”.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4
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Just Google vaccine 10 weeks, you'll see all the media outlets publishing the findings.
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Hahahahahahahaha, you’ve just read a couple of headlines, haven’t you?
You Google it, find the link to the study, read the facking study, and, if you like, come back and apologise to everybody for talking utter shiiiiit.
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I follow this pandemic in detail and have done since the first day when it appeared, much to the amusement of my friends who said it's a storm in a teacup at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html
There is one link, can't get any more liberal than the NYTimes, you'll lap it up and walk yourself to the gas chamber fod such media outlets if that's what they told you to do. It's undeniable and the world accepts, 10 weeks. The whole point of science is to continue research, refine your data and come to new conclusions, your scientists say 10 weeks. Now bend and accept.
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Here’s the summary cited in the article:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf
Skip to page 24, where it starts the discussion about vaccine effectiveness against Omicron. Read the three pages from there.
When you’ve done so, by all means, come back and apologise.
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Honest question. Of all the people you know who have covid... How many are vaccinated and how many are unvaccinated? I ask everyone to answer that question for themselves. You'll know the truth of the matter. This strain the vaccine wasn't designed for, I have no issues with people being vaccinated and I have absolutely nothing to gain from my views. We all know the truth when you forget all this politicised divide and conquer nonce sense.
Risk of death or serious illness for 98% of mankind nominal to non. Risk of death for the elderly, severely vulnerable and poverty stricken it goes up, but hey gale force winds will knock a large portion of those unfortunate individuals from this earth.
posted on 27/12/21
You Google it, find the link to the study, read the facking study, and, if you like, come back and apologise to everybody for talking utter shiiiiit.
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“With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant…”
Also demonstrably complete and utter shyyte.
One single link to a study or data backing that statement up please.
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I'd say you just have to look at all the positive tests no? 70% off the country double jabbed yet we're at numbers of infection higher than at any time during the pandemic. But hey... You're entrenched in your views. I certainly won't sway you
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No; you have to look at the studies written by academics who are experts in the field and who have built careers gathering and analysing data.
My views are absolutely changeable. That’s how science works.
Provide a link to a study which confirms that “with this new strain, the vaccine is irrelevant” and you may challenge my currently held belief.
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How do you explain record numbers of infection? That's also not taking into consideration the saturation rate of available tests or the people who don't even know they have it or done lateral flow tests but not reported their results to the NHS so they aren't hounded by call centre staff. The fact of the matter is more people are vaccinated that at any time during the pandemic correct? And more people have the virus than at any time during the pandemic correc? Explain... Or answer me back in say 3/4 weeks when the obvious data is confirmed by scientific study that against Omicron the vaccine on th whole is useless.
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There are a whole raft of reasons for the number of positive tests, the most obvious being the much higher transmissibility of Omicron, but also:
- Waning (changing, really) immunity, both post-infection and vaccine-induced, which we’ve always known would happen (particularly antibody counts)
- It’s party and family gathering season
- Busy high streets
- More people back to work
- Mask and distancing fatigue
- 50% increase in the number of tests being taken vs early Nov
The data shows that the vaccines are still working, as the study linked from your article demonstrates very clearly. And it’s the data that matters; not the headlines, or your interpretation of them.
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Just seems like media pandering. I'm sure many things are taken into consideration when signing a player, but if he's good enough and at the right price. It'll be low down on the list of order.
With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant, everyone I know and work with currently with the virus has the vaccine. 12 of us went out to town on the 18th, 9 with th vaccine, all have it, 3 without are covid free. The vaccine works for 10 weeks the latest studies to come out this week show, I had covid in June and my antibodies are still working strong.
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Sorry, but you've made that up, haven't you? Or did the three who haven't had the vaccine just not bother to test? Because it just sounds far far too perfect to not be a load of BS. And if it is, it begs the question as to why anti-vaxxers need to make things up to support their strange position.
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No that's 100% legit but of you wish to believe it or not that's not my problem..I have nothing to gain or lose. People are free to choose vaccination or not..if people wish to have good for them, if people don't, I don't really care. Everyone has their own reasons. But absolutely one fact is 9/12 vaccinated have the virus since the night out. The ones unvaccinated do not, natural antibodies are a far better protection to the virus.
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Nope; he was right - you’ve posted utter bullsheet above.
Please provide a link to this new study you mentioned - any study - that demonstrates that “the vaccine works for ten weeks”.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4
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Just Google vaccine 10 weeks, you'll see all the media outlets publishing the findings.
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Hahahahahahahaha, you’ve just read a couple of headlines, haven’t you?
You Google it, find the link to the study, read the facking study, and, if you like, come back and apologise to everybody for talking utter shiiiiit.
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I follow this pandemic in detail and have done since the first day when it appeared, much to the amusement of my friends who said it's a storm in a teacup at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html
There is one link, can't get any more liberal than the NYTimes, you'll lap it up and walk yourself to the gas chamber fod such media outlets if that's what they told you to do. It's undeniable and the world accepts, 10 weeks. The whole point of science is to continue research, refine your data and come to new conclusions, your scientists say 10 weeks. Now bend and accept.
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Here’s the summary cited in the article:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf
Skip to page 24, where it starts the discussion about vaccine effectiveness against Omicron. Read the three pages from there.
When you’ve done so, by all means, come back and apologise.
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Honest question. Of all the people you know who have covid... How many are vaccinated and how many are unvaccinated? I ask everyone to answer that question for themselves. You'll know the truth of the matter. This strain the vaccine wasn't designed for, I have no issues with people being vaccinated and I have absolutely nothing to gain from my views. We all know the truth when you forget all this politicised divide and conquer nonce sense.
Risk of death or serious illness for 98% of mankind nominal to non. Risk of death for the elderly, severely vulnerable and poverty stricken it goes up, but hey gale force winds will knock a large portion of those unfortunate individuals from this earth.
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“Of all the people you know who have covid... How many are vaccinated and how many are unvaccinated?“
Completely and utterly irrelevant.
As it happens, I live in a country which has managed to vaccinate nearly everyone who has been eligible for vaccination, and despite the daily case rate being almost as high as it was during our highest peak (last winter for us), our daily mortality rate right now is at around *one twentieth* of the mortality rate during that previous peak.
Various reasons for that. One - and probably the most important - is that the vaccines have worked, and continue to work, against all of the VoCs which have emerged to date, including Omicron.
posted on 27/12/21
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.
The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.
And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
posted on 27/12/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.
The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.
And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
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His contentions were:
“The vaccine works for ten weeks…”
Demonstrably untrue, as the data his own link was based on confirmed, for all booster combinations, including AZ. (I do not live in the UK, and few countries primarily used AZ for the primary course.)
35% effectiveness, by the way (although demonstrating the need to consider a fourth dose, as well as shifting to new versions of the vaccines which may be more effective against Omicron) are odds I will take over 0%.
“With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant…”
Demonstrably untrue, again, as his own link confirmed.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.
The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.
And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
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His contentions were:
“The vaccine works for ten weeks…”
Demonstrably untrue, as the data his own link was based on confirmed, for all booster combinations, including AZ. (I do not live in the UK, and few countries primarily used AZ for the primary course.)
35% effectiveness, by the way (although demonstrating the need to consider a fourth dose, as well as shifting to new versions of the vaccines which may be more effective against Omicron) are odds I will take over 0%.
“With this new strain, it seems as though the vaccine is irrelevant…”
Demonstrably untrue, again, as his own link confirmed.
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Worth also adding that we’re only talking about preventing symptomatic COVID-19, and, as stated in the Technical Briefing, the vaccines will probably still be even more effective in preventing hospitalisation, ICU stays, and death.
posted on 27/12/21
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Just so you know, NHS staff will only receive the Pfizer jab, with the shortening times between doses. blood clots are becoming a serious issue with Moderna and Astra jabs. Something th media will not tell you. But it's legit
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Why won't the media tell us? Are the shadowy unelected ruling elite compensating them for the readership and advertising revenue their journalism would otherwise generate?
posted on 27/12/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.
The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.
And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
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How are all these facts? they're still collecting data.
Another pub expert
posted on 27/12/21
The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting Covid, so it’s a pretty dumb notion to suspect an unvaccinated player can repeatedly get Covid, but those vaccinated cannot.
Better to look at a players lifestyle in my opinion. It’s also the socially responsible thing to do, so I would understand if they said they’d prefer a player who wants a vaccine.
posted on 27/12/21
Everybody I know who has got Covid over Christmas is vaccinated. It seemingly makes no difference in terms of contracting the virus, if it helps stop it spreading then great.
They’re also not sick at all. Whether that’s down to the vaccine or the weakened omicron, I’ll leave to the scientists.
posted on 27/12/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.
After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.
The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.
And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
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How are all these facts? they're still collecting data.
Another pub expert
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The virus is less than 3 years old, at what point is the data considered “collected”?
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comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
Scientists are the most inherently argumentative community on the planet, and the peer review process is brutal. There is no chance the vaccines would have passed clinical trials if there was any suggestion at all of political pressure.
The fact that they're still in the monitoring period (in line with standard practice for any new pharmaceticals) means that the review (not approval) process in ongoing, so the suggestion of unscientific approval is nonsense.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the clinical trails won't actually be completed, and there's some red flags around the methodology in the first place (trials conducted on mostly - or even exclusively - people in lower risk categories for Covid19 to begin with, for eg). A couple of the manufacturers I believe basically ended their trials by unblinding their control group. Maybe all of them did - I can't remember. The British Medical Journal published a commentary back along.
Personally I've no firm idea about the trials having not read too much on them recently. But are you *absolutely* sure - would bet your family's life, for instance - on what you said;
"the suggestion of unscientific approval is nonsense."??
I ask because we already know that improper science does indeed lead to medical products entering the market that later turn out to be problematic - catastrophic even - for patients. There's a very interesting and revealing documentary on Netflix called The Bleeding Edge which examines implanted devices (like hip replacements) and their not so difficult route to market. It's endorsed (the documentary, that is) by the BMJ.
For the record, I'm not saying this is the case with the jabs (that they are problematic or unsafe etc). I'm just challenging the underlying assumption that everything that passes to market must be hunky dory.
posted on 27/12/21
You’re an idiot if you’d choose to remain unvaccinated.
posted on 27/12/21
Where do you guys stand on this? If a top class player becomes available but they aren’t jabbed up would you agree with those managers?
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On the basis that top footballers in their 20's are fit, healthy and not likely to require hospitalisation/not in a high risk category for Covid, then I'd not personally have any issue with the club signing a player that hasn't been jabbed for Covid. The risk of being hospitalised at these ages is very very small, so I don't really understand the reactions of many to the idea of a professional athlete not being jabbed.
Is it better if they are jabbed? Sure, in terms of limiting their own risk. But it's their choice & I don't really see grounds for a discriminatory transfer policy on that basis.
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