My take on the vaccine is that, for me it's a no brainer. Why would I not take a vaccine with little to no downsides to protect myself in case there's a vulnerability I have that I don't know about, and also give myself to travel freely which is the biggest thing covid took away from me. At the same time whilst the jabs clearly don't reduce infectiousness the way we were sold they would, it does reduce it somewhat so I'm also protecting my parents, grandparents and everybody else.
Everybody should get vaccinated.
However, I really hate the coercion and tribal nature of the "vax vs anti-vax" crowds. There are many people out there who, for whatever reason, have chosen not to get this particular vaccine. Perhaps it's because they want to be more convinced of the long term risks, entirely fair. Doesn't make them "anti-vax".
Tarring everybody with the same brush and calling them stupid (or racist and misogynistic if you're Justin Trudeau) doesn't make these people want to change their minds, if anything it just entrenches them in their viewpoints, creating a siege mentality.
When will people realise that conversation and education are the way to win people over, not just shout at them and insult them.
Your opinion is not the only valid opinion.
Having doubt about the vaccines is OK for me. But then, you should restrict your movements and behave as if you were in lockdown. I have friends who are not vaccinated and that how they live right now. They keep themselves to themselves. They don't use public transports. Only going shopping for food, keeping theirs distances and some occasional walks in forests/hiking.
Not getting vaccinated and still wanted to go to the pubs, clubbing or football stadium is just being a selfish priiick. This is not being anti vax, it is just denying that there is a feckin pandemic going on.
There's valid reasons that doesn't make people anti vax like unknown long term effects, the vaccine not stopping you getting or spreading covid, natural immunity giving better protection than the vaccine, and the virus being almost zero risk to many people. As long a you're vaxed don't know why it matters if others aren't. Look at Djokovic, if he had covid he has natural immunity so that tells you it's not about public health but the Macron mentality of pi$$ing off the unvaccinated, no justification for it with a very mild variant and the majority of the population vaxed.
Anyone heard of Deltacron yet?
Saw it on an Indian new channel yesterday
Some really good posts on here. I love debates that make me think a la
'that's a good point'
'I didn't know that'
'I don't agree with ninety percent of that, but the other ten percent is OK.
Etc
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
My take on the vaccine is that, for me it's a no brainer. Why would I not take a vaccine with little to no downsides to protect myself in case there's a vulnerability I have that I don't know about, and also give myself to travel freely which is the biggest thing covid took away from me. At the same time whilst the jabs clearly don't reduce infectiousness the way we were sold they would, it does reduce it somewhat so I'm also protecting my parents, grandparents and everybody else.
Everybody should get vaccinated.
However, I really hate the coercion and tribal nature of the "vax vs anti-vax" crowds. There are many people out there who, for whatever reason, have chosen not to get this particular vaccine. Perhaps it's because they want to be more convinced of the long term risks, entirely fair. Doesn't make them "anti-vax".
Tarring everybody with the same brush and calling them stupid (or racist and misogynistic if you're Justin Trudeau) doesn't make these people want to change their minds, if anything it just entrenches them in their viewpoints, creating a siege mentality.
When will people realise that conversation and education are the way to win people over, not just shout at them and insult them.
Your opinion is not the only valid opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"When will people realise that conversation and education are the way to win people over, not just shout at them and insult them."
Having witnessed 'What Would Stuart Pearce Do' patiently and very kindly attempt to educate 'Tbab' on hundreds, possibly thousands of mistruths he repeats regarding Brexit, for at least 3 years with absolutely zero success, I can't agree.
People are incredibly stubborn and when you're approaching something like religion or pseudo science logic and rationality are sadly the enemy.
comment by IAWT (U10012)
posted 9 minutes ago
Having doubt about the vaccines is OK for me. But then, you should restrict your movements and behave as if you were in lockdown. I have friends who are not vaccinated and that how they live right now. They keep themselves to themselves. They don't use public transports. Only going shopping for food, keeping theirs distances and some occasional walks in forests/hiking.
Not getting vaccinated and still wanted to go to the pubs, clubbing or football stadium is just being a selfish priiick. This is not being anti vax, it is just denying that there is a feckin pandemic going on.
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Most of them probably had covid already and have better immunity than you do. And sinced the vaxed can still catch and spread covid, what is the reasoning for only the unvaxed not mixing?
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 10 minutes ago
There's valid reasons that doesn't make people anti vax like unknown long term effects, the vaccine not stopping you getting or spreading covid, natural immunity giving better protection than the vaccine, and the virus being almost zero risk to many people. As long a you're vaxed don't know why it matters if others aren't. Look at Djokovic, if he had covid he has natural immunity so that tells you it's not about public health but the Macron mentality of pi$$ing off the unvaccinated, no justification for it with a very mild variant and the majority of the population vaxed.
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Daily testing is a FAR FAR FAR better way of ensuring you don't spread covid than the vaccine...
Yes the vaxxedcan still catch and spread covid, but are less likely to.
Also it must not be forgotten that though herd effect, and a milder variety may make it much easier to live with, that is a a cost of thousands of lives which may not have happened if all had been vaccinated ASAP.
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 7 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 4 seconds ago
Whatever your views...just take a look. If only for information; hardly a cra
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Fat fingers....heres rhe rest
"..hardly a crackpot tin hat scenario, its congressional senator asking questions..very sensible questions..
https://youtu.be/pxiQeZ21SFU
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Hi, GB.
What is very, very clear, and has been for a very long time, is that political battle-lines have been drawn long ago across this debate, which is one of the biggest reasons it's become so polarised. You might also like to know that these claims date back to the end of September last year, which is relevant as you'll see if you read on.
You'd like to think politicians in Congressional or Senate hearings are going to use reliable information in responsible ways. Politicians? Ha!
So rather than accept this at face value, perhaps listen carefully and check out the claims, because some of them are very easy to look up without having any scientific knowledge at all.
Right off the bat, Paul claims the data is from a study of 2.5 million patients. Last September. It's odd, because at the time Paul made that statement only about half that number of Israelis (some 1.2M) had actually contracted Covid (the figure has risen to about 1.5M today).
So seeing immediately that something was off, I tried to find more info, and this seems to be the article Paul based his claims on:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
The first thing that flies in the face is that it is a pre-print and has not been peer-reviewed. Anyhow, it turns out that the 2.5M is the number of people in a database. Of those, the study took 76,000 cases of Covid infection of which only 34 (!) had actually required hospitalisation.
In addition, even though I don't know much about scientific research, I do know that retrospective observational studies tend to have their limitations, so the next thing I did was try to find an authoritative source that might be able to understand and explain the science a bit better.
Luckily, it turned out that John's Hopkins had reviewed it:
https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural-immunity-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-reinfections-versus-breakthrough-infections/
That review was printed on 10th September, nearly three full weeks before Rand's statements. Take a look at it.
Also, here's what the CDC published on the topic about a month after Paul's statements. Note that neither this nor the links above have stopped people reposting and reposting statements that even at the time they were made were known to use flawed research as their basis.
Having covid doesn’t mean you have better immunity than a vaccinated person.
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 49 seconds ago
Having covid doesn’t mean you have better immunity than a vaccinated person.
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I have to admit I thought it did, as it doesn't waver like the jabs do, but happy to be proven wrong.
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 49 seconds ago
Having covid doesn’t mean you have better immunity than a vaccinated person.
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I have to admit I thought it did, as it doesn't waver like the jabs do, but happy to be proven wrong.
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Djokovic got Covid twice in 6 months (according to him) so I wouldn’t have through natural antibodies are quite as great as some think. Different variants will cause different issues.
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 16 minutes ago
Anyone heard of Deltacron yet?
Saw it on an Indian new channel yesterday
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I could be wrong but I’ve heard this is something and nothing - maybe even some kind of sampling contamination in a lab in Cyprus. I’ve not seen anybody really worrying about it yet.
There were reports a few months ago that natural immunity is 6 times more effective than that provided by the vaccine, and more recent ones saying more than 10 times effective.
comment by Robbb (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 49 seconds ago
Having covid doesn’t mean you have better immunity than a vaccinated person.
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I have to admit I thought it did, as it doesn't waver like the jabs do, but happy to be proven wrong.
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Djokovic got Covid twice in 6 months (according to him) so I wouldn’t have through natural antibodies are quite as great as some think. Different variants will cause different issues.
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vaccinated people have also caught covid multiple times. Also I guess with the new variant it will evade immunity to some extent whether it's from the vaccine or a past infection.
comment by Robbb (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 49 seconds ago
Having covid doesn’t mean you have better immunity than a vaccinated person.
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I have to admit I thought it did, as it doesn't waver like the jabs do, but happy to be proven wrong.
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Djokovic got Covid twice in 6 months (according to him) so I wouldn’t have through natural antibodies are quite as great as some think. Different variants will cause different issues.
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It would also be pretty irresponsible, I think, to promote ‘natural immunity’ as a sort of vaccine-equivalent even if it were clearly more effective. Quite simply, it encourages people to get themselves infected.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
There were reports a few months ago that natural immunity is 6 times more effective than that provided by the vaccine, and more recent ones saying more than 10 times effective.
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How would I get natural immunity, if I haven’t had Covid? (Assuming I also wasn’t vaccinated.)
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
My take on the vaccine is that, for me it's a no brainer. Why would I not take a vaccine with little to no downsides to protect myself in case there's a vulnerability I have that I don't know about, and also give myself to travel freely which is the biggest thing covid took away from me. At the same time whilst the jabs clearly don't reduce infectiousness the way we were sold they would, it does reduce it somewhat so I'm also protecting my parents, grandparents and everybody else.
Everybody should get vaccinated.
However, I really hate the coercion and tribal nature of the "vax vs anti-vax" crowds. There are many people out there who, for whatever reason, have chosen not to get this particular vaccine. Perhaps it's because they want to be more convinced of the long term risks, entirely fair. Doesn't make them "anti-vax".
Tarring everybody with the same brush and calling them stupid (or racist and misogynistic if you're Justin Trudeau) doesn't make these people want to change their minds, if anything it just entrenches them in their viewpoints, creating a siege mentality.
When will people realise that conversation and education are the way to win people over, not just shout at them and insult them.
Your opinion is not the only valid opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"When will people realise that conversation and education are the way to win people over, not just shout at them and insult them."
Having witnessed 'What Would Stuart Pearce Do' patiently and very kindly attempt to educate 'Tbab' on hundreds, possibly thousands of mistruths he repeats regarding Brexit, for at least 3 years with absolutely zero success, I can't agree.
People are incredibly stubborn and when you're approaching something like religion or pseudo science logic and rationality are sadly the enemy.
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Apart from the fact the exact opposite is true, and I changed my mind after voting leave and thanked wwspd for his expertise on the topic.
Been a reluctant remainer for a few years, but hey ho.🤣
And my Brexit vote, like almost 18m, was not simply on economics or NI, and my vote was also a protest, in part against Cameron Tory remainers.
However, I did change my mind on Brexit and was not a closed mind.
At least read what I posted for years before jumping in.😉
I am double jabbed, boosted and was ok with lockdown when required too, fwiw.😀
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
There were reports a few months ago that natural immunity is 6 times more effective than that provided by the vaccine, and more recent ones saying more than 10 times effective.
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How would I get natural immunity, if I haven’t had Covid? (Assuming I also wasn’t vaccinated.)
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You wouldn't have immunity, but it other people are vaccinated then I don't see why they'd be concerned.
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
There were reports a few months ago that natural immunity is 6 times more effective than that provided by the vaccine, and more recent ones saying more than 10 times effective.
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How would I get natural immunity, if I haven’t had Covid? (Assuming I also wasn’t vaccinated.)
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It does beg the question as to why people need 2-3 vaccines after having covid twice though? Could do more harm than good, just to reach targets and be "seen" to be doing something? From a scientific point of view there is absolutely nothing wrong with Djokovic doing everything an unvaccinated person does, but this is political.
The common cold provides immunity against covid
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59911257
I wouldn't be surprised if it emerges in a few months and colds have been triggeting a positive covid test.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
The common cold provides immunity against covid
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59911257
I wouldn't be surprised if it emerges in a few months and colds have been triggeting a positive covid test.
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I’ve done tests during 4 colds and have never had a positive.
Although I would say I get more colds than average and haven’t had covid so…
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posted on 10/1/22
My take on the vaccine is that, for me it's a no brainer. Why would I not take a vaccine with little to no downsides to protect myself in case there's a vulnerability I have that I don't know about, and also give myself to travel freely which is the biggest thing covid took away from me. At the same time whilst the jabs clearly don't reduce infectiousness the way we were sold they would, it does reduce it somewhat so I'm also protecting my parents, grandparents and everybody else.
Everybody should get vaccinated.
However, I really hate the coercion and tribal nature of the "vax vs anti-vax" crowds. There are many people out there who, for whatever reason, have chosen not to get this particular vaccine. Perhaps it's because they want to be more convinced of the long term risks, entirely fair. Doesn't make them "anti-vax".
Tarring everybody with the same brush and calling them stupid (or racist and misogynistic if you're Justin Trudeau) doesn't make these people want to change their minds, if anything it just entrenches them in their viewpoints, creating a siege mentality.
When will people realise that conversation and education are the way to win people over, not just shout at them and insult them.
Your opinion is not the only valid opinion.
posted on 10/1/22
Having doubt about the vaccines is OK for me. But then, you should restrict your movements and behave as if you were in lockdown. I have friends who are not vaccinated and that how they live right now. They keep themselves to themselves. They don't use public transports. Only going shopping for food, keeping theirs distances and some occasional walks in forests/hiking.
Not getting vaccinated and still wanted to go to the pubs, clubbing or football stadium is just being a selfish priiick. This is not being anti vax, it is just denying that there is a feckin pandemic going on.
posted on 10/1/22
There's valid reasons that doesn't make people anti vax like unknown long term effects, the vaccine not stopping you getting or spreading covid, natural immunity giving better protection than the vaccine, and the virus being almost zero risk to many people. As long a you're vaxed don't know why it matters if others aren't. Look at Djokovic, if he had covid he has natural immunity so that tells you it's not about public health but the Macron mentality of pi$$ing off the unvaccinated, no justification for it with a very mild variant and the majority of the population vaxed.
posted on 10/1/22
Anyone heard of Deltacron yet?
Saw it on an Indian new channel yesterday
posted on 10/1/22
News*
posted on 10/1/22
Some really good posts on here. I love debates that make me think a la
'that's a good point'
'I didn't know that'
'I don't agree with ninety percent of that, but the other ten percent is OK.
Etc
posted on 10/1/22
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
My take on the vaccine is that, for me it's a no brainer. Why would I not take a vaccine with little to no downsides to protect myself in case there's a vulnerability I have that I don't know about, and also give myself to travel freely which is the biggest thing covid took away from me. At the same time whilst the jabs clearly don't reduce infectiousness the way we were sold they would, it does reduce it somewhat so I'm also protecting my parents, grandparents and everybody else.
Everybody should get vaccinated.
However, I really hate the coercion and tribal nature of the "vax vs anti-vax" crowds. There are many people out there who, for whatever reason, have chosen not to get this particular vaccine. Perhaps it's because they want to be more convinced of the long term risks, entirely fair. Doesn't make them "anti-vax".
Tarring everybody with the same brush and calling them stupid (or racist and misogynistic if you're Justin Trudeau) doesn't make these people want to change their minds, if anything it just entrenches them in their viewpoints, creating a siege mentality.
When will people realise that conversation and education are the way to win people over, not just shout at them and insult them.
Your opinion is not the only valid opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"When will people realise that conversation and education are the way to win people over, not just shout at them and insult them."
Having witnessed 'What Would Stuart Pearce Do' patiently and very kindly attempt to educate 'Tbab' on hundreds, possibly thousands of mistruths he repeats regarding Brexit, for at least 3 years with absolutely zero success, I can't agree.
People are incredibly stubborn and when you're approaching something like religion or pseudo science logic and rationality are sadly the enemy.
posted on 10/1/22
comment by IAWT (U10012)
posted 9 minutes ago
Having doubt about the vaccines is OK for me. But then, you should restrict your movements and behave as if you were in lockdown. I have friends who are not vaccinated and that how they live right now. They keep themselves to themselves. They don't use public transports. Only going shopping for food, keeping theirs distances and some occasional walks in forests/hiking.
Not getting vaccinated and still wanted to go to the pubs, clubbing or football stadium is just being a selfish priiick. This is not being anti vax, it is just denying that there is a feckin pandemic going on.
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Most of them probably had covid already and have better immunity than you do. And sinced the vaxed can still catch and spread covid, what is the reasoning for only the unvaxed not mixing?
posted on 10/1/22
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 10 minutes ago
There's valid reasons that doesn't make people anti vax like unknown long term effects, the vaccine not stopping you getting or spreading covid, natural immunity giving better protection than the vaccine, and the virus being almost zero risk to many people. As long a you're vaxed don't know why it matters if others aren't. Look at Djokovic, if he had covid he has natural immunity so that tells you it's not about public health but the Macron mentality of pi$$ing off the unvaccinated, no justification for it with a very mild variant and the majority of the population vaxed.
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Daily testing is a FAR FAR FAR better way of ensuring you don't spread covid than the vaccine...
posted on 10/1/22
Yes the vaxxedcan still catch and spread covid, but are less likely to.
Also it must not be forgotten that though herd effect, and a milder variety may make it much easier to live with, that is a a cost of thousands of lives which may not have happened if all had been vaccinated ASAP.
posted on 10/1/22
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 7 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 4 seconds ago
Whatever your views...just take a look. If only for information; hardly a cra
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fat fingers....heres rhe rest
"..hardly a crackpot tin hat scenario, its congressional senator asking questions..very sensible questions..
https://youtu.be/pxiQeZ21SFU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi, GB.
What is very, very clear, and has been for a very long time, is that political battle-lines have been drawn long ago across this debate, which is one of the biggest reasons it's become so polarised. You might also like to know that these claims date back to the end of September last year, which is relevant as you'll see if you read on.
You'd like to think politicians in Congressional or Senate hearings are going to use reliable information in responsible ways. Politicians? Ha!
So rather than accept this at face value, perhaps listen carefully and check out the claims, because some of them are very easy to look up without having any scientific knowledge at all.
Right off the bat, Paul claims the data is from a study of 2.5 million patients. Last September. It's odd, because at the time Paul made that statement only about half that number of Israelis (some 1.2M) had actually contracted Covid (the figure has risen to about 1.5M today).
So seeing immediately that something was off, I tried to find more info, and this seems to be the article Paul based his claims on:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
The first thing that flies in the face is that it is a pre-print and has not been peer-reviewed. Anyhow, it turns out that the 2.5M is the number of people in a database. Of those, the study took 76,000 cases of Covid infection of which only 34 (!) had actually required hospitalisation.
In addition, even though I don't know much about scientific research, I do know that retrospective observational studies tend to have their limitations, so the next thing I did was try to find an authoritative source that might be able to understand and explain the science a bit better.
Luckily, it turned out that John's Hopkins had reviewed it:
https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural-immunity-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-reinfections-versus-breakthrough-infections/
That review was printed on 10th September, nearly three full weeks before Rand's statements. Take a look at it.
Also, here's what the CDC published on the topic about a month after Paul's statements. Note that neither this nor the links above have stopped people reposting and reposting statements that even at the time they were made were known to use flawed research as their basis.
posted on 10/1/22
Having covid doesn’t mean you have better immunity than a vaccinated person.
posted on 10/1/22
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 49 seconds ago
Having covid doesn’t mean you have better immunity than a vaccinated person.
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I have to admit I thought it did, as it doesn't waver like the jabs do, but happy to be proven wrong.
posted on 10/1/22
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 49 seconds ago
Having covid doesn’t mean you have better immunity than a vaccinated person.
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I have to admit I thought it did, as it doesn't waver like the jabs do, but happy to be proven wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Djokovic got Covid twice in 6 months (according to him) so I wouldn’t have through natural antibodies are quite as great as some think. Different variants will cause different issues.
posted on 10/1/22
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 16 minutes ago
Anyone heard of Deltacron yet?
Saw it on an Indian new channel yesterday
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I could be wrong but I’ve heard this is something and nothing - maybe even some kind of sampling contamination in a lab in Cyprus. I’ve not seen anybody really worrying about it yet.
posted on 10/1/22
There were reports a few months ago that natural immunity is 6 times more effective than that provided by the vaccine, and more recent ones saying more than 10 times effective.
posted on 10/1/22
comment by Robbb (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 49 seconds ago
Having covid doesn’t mean you have better immunity than a vaccinated person.
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I have to admit I thought it did, as it doesn't waver like the jabs do, but happy to be proven wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Djokovic got Covid twice in 6 months (according to him) so I wouldn’t have through natural antibodies are quite as great as some think. Different variants will cause different issues.
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vaccinated people have also caught covid multiple times. Also I guess with the new variant it will evade immunity to some extent whether it's from the vaccine or a past infection.
posted on 10/1/22
comment by Robbb (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 49 seconds ago
Having covid doesn’t mean you have better immunity than a vaccinated person.
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I have to admit I thought it did, as it doesn't waver like the jabs do, but happy to be proven wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Djokovic got Covid twice in 6 months (according to him) so I wouldn’t have through natural antibodies are quite as great as some think. Different variants will cause different issues.
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It would also be pretty irresponsible, I think, to promote ‘natural immunity’ as a sort of vaccine-equivalent even if it were clearly more effective. Quite simply, it encourages people to get themselves infected.
posted on 10/1/22
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
There were reports a few months ago that natural immunity is 6 times more effective than that provided by the vaccine, and more recent ones saying more than 10 times effective.
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How would I get natural immunity, if I haven’t had Covid? (Assuming I also wasn’t vaccinated.)
posted on 10/1/22
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
My take on the vaccine is that, for me it's a no brainer. Why would I not take a vaccine with little to no downsides to protect myself in case there's a vulnerability I have that I don't know about, and also give myself to travel freely which is the biggest thing covid took away from me. At the same time whilst the jabs clearly don't reduce infectiousness the way we were sold they would, it does reduce it somewhat so I'm also protecting my parents, grandparents and everybody else.
Everybody should get vaccinated.
However, I really hate the coercion and tribal nature of the "vax vs anti-vax" crowds. There are many people out there who, for whatever reason, have chosen not to get this particular vaccine. Perhaps it's because they want to be more convinced of the long term risks, entirely fair. Doesn't make them "anti-vax".
Tarring everybody with the same brush and calling them stupid (or racist and misogynistic if you're Justin Trudeau) doesn't make these people want to change their minds, if anything it just entrenches them in their viewpoints, creating a siege mentality.
When will people realise that conversation and education are the way to win people over, not just shout at them and insult them.
Your opinion is not the only valid opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"When will people realise that conversation and education are the way to win people over, not just shout at them and insult them."
Having witnessed 'What Would Stuart Pearce Do' patiently and very kindly attempt to educate 'Tbab' on hundreds, possibly thousands of mistruths he repeats regarding Brexit, for at least 3 years with absolutely zero success, I can't agree.
People are incredibly stubborn and when you're approaching something like religion or pseudo science logic and rationality are sadly the enemy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apart from the fact the exact opposite is true, and I changed my mind after voting leave and thanked wwspd for his expertise on the topic.
Been a reluctant remainer for a few years, but hey ho.🤣
And my Brexit vote, like almost 18m, was not simply on economics or NI, and my vote was also a protest, in part against Cameron Tory remainers.
However, I did change my mind on Brexit and was not a closed mind.
At least read what I posted for years before jumping in.😉
posted on 10/1/22
I am double jabbed, boosted and was ok with lockdown when required too, fwiw.😀
posted on 10/1/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
There were reports a few months ago that natural immunity is 6 times more effective than that provided by the vaccine, and more recent ones saying more than 10 times effective.
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How would I get natural immunity, if I haven’t had Covid? (Assuming I also wasn’t vaccinated.)
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You wouldn't have immunity, but it other people are vaccinated then I don't see why they'd be concerned.
posted on 10/1/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
There were reports a few months ago that natural immunity is 6 times more effective than that provided by the vaccine, and more recent ones saying more than 10 times effective.
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How would I get natural immunity, if I haven’t had Covid? (Assuming I also wasn’t vaccinated.)
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It does beg the question as to why people need 2-3 vaccines after having covid twice though? Could do more harm than good, just to reach targets and be "seen" to be doing something? From a scientific point of view there is absolutely nothing wrong with Djokovic doing everything an unvaccinated person does, but this is political.
posted on 10/1/22
The common cold provides immunity against covid
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59911257
I wouldn't be surprised if it emerges in a few months and colds have been triggeting a positive covid test.
posted on 10/1/22
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
The common cold provides immunity against covid
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59911257
I wouldn't be surprised if it emerges in a few months and colds have been triggeting a positive covid test.
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I’ve done tests during 4 colds and have never had a positive.
Although I would say I get more colds than average and haven’t had covid so…
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