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In all honesty ,City are the best team we've played this year, also the best team in Europe at this moment ,so, surely pep and the guys will get it right this season !......
or maybe next !
Money makes a huge difference though.
Chelsea and City are good examples.
Their fans keep saying its not just the money but its the money that allows their clubs to get things right.
They can attract the best players because of money.
They can attract the best managers because of money.
They can afford to make costly mistakes without anyone noticing because they have the money to cover it up.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
A defence is usually 4 players plus subs. When a team has spent 400 million to get the right 4 or so players then that;s difficult to compete with. Just keep buying until you get it right.
A team like Liverpool have one match left in the matchbox, get it wrong and you're facked for the foreseeable.
If we'd signed Maguire instead of VVD the whole project would have been less successful. We can't buy Maguire and then buy VVD soon after because Maguire is crap. We had one shot, but boy, did we nail it.
Everyone else needs Pep to leave. Once he goes City won’t be as dominant.
Its time for Pep to have his sabbatical
Of course money makes a Huge difference. It enables you to compete.
But the caveat to that is that the money has to be spent right.
Spend that money on the wrong players - Everton.
Spend that money on the wrong manager - Everton.
Spend that money on the wrong back room personnel - Everton.
Get it right = City
For every example above when I mentioned Everton, you could easily replace Everton with United.
And don’t ever tell me that United are a club that don’t have money…
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
Its time for Pep to have his sabbatical
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I genuinely believe that this will happen should he win the CL with City.
That said. Hasn't he stated that he wants to stay as long as he can.
The impact he has had is way beyond my initial expectations anyway. Long may it continue.
I do think (hope maybe) that Pep will extend his stay
It’s mainly down to Pep. Mancini and Pellegrini had the same resources and couldn’t sustain success like Pep has.
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 25 minutes ago
Everyone else needs Pep to leave. Once he goes City won’t be as dominant.
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Swap City for Bayern and that's the quote from a Dortmund fan in 2015.
Likewise a Madrid fan re Barca in 2011.
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
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They beat United under Fergie to the title and overcame a Suarez inspired Liverpool to the title in an age where Chelsea were a string team.
City have been the best team in England since before Pep went there. Pep has taken it to another level but they were already at the top or thereabouts before he came.
Also, the Everton example doesn't go all the way. They have not received massive favours from their owners and have spent what they earn. Everton are currently paying for their mistakes. Teams with very rich owners never reach that stage because they can just keep spending until they get it right.
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comment by The Process (U20671)
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comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
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They beat United under Fergie to the title and overcame a Suarez inspired Liverpool to the title in an age where Chelsea were a string team.
City have been the best team in England since before Pep went there. Pep has taken it to another level but they were already at the top or thereabouts before he came.
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Mancini had a far better squad than SAF at that time and only won it on goal difference before easily surrendering it the following season.
Pellegrini had a good title win but that squad should never have allowed Leicester to win a title. I’d argue both underachieved but especially Pellegrini who’s an average manager.
I'm a little confused by the article.
I thought it was asking who can catch you this season, then I considered perhaps it's asking who can catch you in general, although there was then talk about clubs spending badly who are nowhere near catching you.
If you're asking this season then Liverpool can catch you. If you're asking overall then nobody as you have the best squad of players and can improve on that with mega money each season. Of course as you say, this has to be done right but much easier from the position you're in than from the position Everton are/were in.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
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That’s harsh on both Mancini and Pellegrini. But you are right to the extent that City didn’t continue the tenure of both of those managers. Mancini’s failure to win the league again after his success in 2012 resulted in his sacking.
But Pellegrini wasn’t sacked per se. He worked his contract, fulfilled his contract. And it was always the plan for Pep to come in. Pellegrini knew this was the case - it was a condition of his contract. Pellegrini - no matter what he achieved, was always going in 2016 and Pep was always arriving at that time to replace him.
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
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That’s harsh on both Mancini and Pellegrini. But you are right to the extent that City didn’t continue the tenure of both of those managers. Mancini’s failure to win the league again after his success in 2012 resulted in his sacking.
But Pellegrini wasn’t sacked per se. He worked his contract, fulfilled his contract. And it was always the plan for Pep to come in. Pellegrini knew this was the case - it was a condition of his contract. Pellegrini - no matter what he achieved, was always going in 2016 and Pep was always arriving at that time to replace him.
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I don’t think it’s harsh on Pellegrini whatever about Mancini.
He had the best team and only won 1 in 3. I accept Chelsea were very good in one of those seasons but letting Leicester win it and barely making top 4 was poor.
The only team with the guts to have a go is Liverpool tbf hopefully city have blip when European football starts 👍
Pep is the single most important part but simply put, the investment in the squad covers mistakes, bad luck and bad form. If a signing doesn’t work out, doesn’t matter. If a player gets injured - not a problem, there’s another top class player on the bench. A player is out of form - ditto.
When you have a top manager and the ability to minimise the impacts of poor fortune - it’s insanely difficult to compete? Other teams know they have to be almost perfect which brings with it additional pressure.
The next manager will be interesting. Will he be able to keep the squad as content as they seem now? Keep the desire in the players. I don’t think you can underestimate the impact having a manager who will go down as one of the greatest ever.
Unfortunately for my club, I suspect Klopp will move on at about the same time.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm a little confused by the article.
I thought it was asking who can catch you this season, then I considered perhaps it's asking who can catch you in general, although there was then talk about clubs spending badly who are nowhere near catching you.
If you're asking this season then Liverpool can catch you. If you're asking overall then nobody as you have the best squad of players and can improve on that with mega money each season. Of course as you say, this has to be done right but much easier from the position you're in than from the position Everton are/were in.
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City were in a worse position when the current owners took over than Everton were. City have only progressed as a result of their current owners.
Everton have got worse, or at best stagnated. Nah, they’ve got worse.
The point is that good owners with a plan can make all the difference. Rich owners (Everton) without a plan can make no difference at all. Or it can actually end up worse than it was beforehand.
Yes, the comments have taken the article in a different direction, but the point overall remains the same. Investment. Trying to compete. And once competing, who can then challenge.
City have been at and around the top for just over a decade now. Some of those at the top back in 2008 no longer are. United most notably. Is that purely down to money? I would say money plays a part but it isn’t the only reason.
My point is that City have clearly got it right. The club has a vision. It isn’t just about throwing money at something and hoping it sticks.
So my question does relate to who can catch us this season and also who can catch us going forward. Which club has the structure in place to compete and better what City have done and what City want to continue to achieve?
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
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That’s harsh on both Mancini and Pellegrini. But you are right to the extent that City didn’t continue the tenure of both of those managers. Mancini’s failure to win the league again after his success in 2012 resulted in his sacking.
But Pellegrini wasn’t sacked per se. He worked his contract, fulfilled his contract. And it was always the plan for Pep to come in. Pellegrini knew this was the case - it was a condition of his contract. Pellegrini - no matter what he achieved, was always going in 2016 and Pep was always arriving at that time to replace him.
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I don’t think it’s harsh on Pellegrini whatever about Mancini.
He had the best team and only won 1 in 3. I accept Chelsea were very good in one of those seasons but letting Leicester win it and barely making top 4 was poor.
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Letting Leicester win it?
How did Mancini or Pellegrini let Leicester win it?
Your going to have to clarify your post, because I can’t make any sense out of it.
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posted on 17/1/22
In all honesty ,City are the best team we've played this year, also the best team in Europe at this moment ,so, surely pep and the guys will get it right this season !......
or maybe next !
posted on 17/1/22
Money makes a huge difference though.
Chelsea and City are good examples.
Their fans keep saying its not just the money but its the money that allows their clubs to get things right.
They can attract the best players because of money.
They can attract the best managers because of money.
They can afford to make costly mistakes without anyone noticing because they have the money to cover it up.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
A defence is usually 4 players plus subs. When a team has spent 400 million to get the right 4 or so players then that;s difficult to compete with. Just keep buying until you get it right.
A team like Liverpool have one match left in the matchbox, get it wrong and you're facked for the foreseeable.
If we'd signed Maguire instead of VVD the whole project would have been less successful. We can't buy Maguire and then buy VVD soon after because Maguire is crap. We had one shot, but boy, did we nail it.
posted on 17/1/22
Everyone else needs Pep to leave. Once he goes City won’t be as dominant.
posted on 17/1/22
Its time for Pep to have his sabbatical
posted on 17/1/22
Of course money makes a Huge difference. It enables you to compete.
But the caveat to that is that the money has to be spent right.
Spend that money on the wrong players - Everton.
Spend that money on the wrong manager - Everton.
Spend that money on the wrong back room personnel - Everton.
Get it right = City
posted on 17/1/22
For every example above when I mentioned Everton, you could easily replace Everton with United.
And don’t ever tell me that United are a club that don’t have money…
posted on 17/1/22
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
Its time for Pep to have his sabbatical
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I genuinely believe that this will happen should he win the CL with City.
That said. Hasn't he stated that he wants to stay as long as he can.
The impact he has had is way beyond my initial expectations anyway. Long may it continue.
posted on 17/1/22
I do think (hope maybe) that Pep will extend his stay
posted on 17/1/22
It’s mainly down to Pep. Mancini and Pellegrini had the same resources and couldn’t sustain success like Pep has.
posted on 17/1/22
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
posted on 17/1/22
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 25 minutes ago
Everyone else needs Pep to leave. Once he goes City won’t be as dominant.
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Swap City for Bayern and that's the quote from a Dortmund fan in 2015.
Likewise a Madrid fan re Barca in 2011.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
------------------------------
They beat United under Fergie to the title and overcame a Suarez inspired Liverpool to the title in an age where Chelsea were a string team.
City have been the best team in England since before Pep went there. Pep has taken it to another level but they were already at the top or thereabouts before he came.
posted on 17/1/22
Also, the Everton example doesn't go all the way. They have not received massive favours from their owners and have spent what they earn. Everton are currently paying for their mistakes. Teams with very rich owners never reach that stage because they can just keep spending until they get it right.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by Assassin Baby (U1282)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
------------------------------
They beat United under Fergie to the title and overcame a Suarez inspired Liverpool to the title in an age where Chelsea were a string team.
City have been the best team in England since before Pep went there. Pep has taken it to another level but they were already at the top or thereabouts before he came.
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Mancini had a far better squad than SAF at that time and only won it on goal difference before easily surrendering it the following season.
Pellegrini had a good title win but that squad should never have allowed Leicester to win a title. I’d argue both underachieved but especially Pellegrini who’s an average manager.
posted on 17/1/22
I'm a little confused by the article.
I thought it was asking who can catch you this season, then I considered perhaps it's asking who can catch you in general, although there was then talk about clubs spending badly who are nowhere near catching you.
If you're asking this season then Liverpool can catch you. If you're asking overall then nobody as you have the best squad of players and can improve on that with mega money each season. Of course as you say, this has to be done right but much easier from the position you're in than from the position Everton are/were in.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s harsh on both Mancini and Pellegrini. But you are right to the extent that City didn’t continue the tenure of both of those managers. Mancini’s failure to win the league again after his success in 2012 resulted in his sacking.
But Pellegrini wasn’t sacked per se. He worked his contract, fulfilled his contract. And it was always the plan for Pep to come in. Pellegrini knew this was the case - it was a condition of his contract. Pellegrini - no matter what he achieved, was always going in 2016 and Pep was always arriving at that time to replace him.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
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That’s harsh on both Mancini and Pellegrini. But you are right to the extent that City didn’t continue the tenure of both of those managers. Mancini’s failure to win the league again after his success in 2012 resulted in his sacking.
But Pellegrini wasn’t sacked per se. He worked his contract, fulfilled his contract. And it was always the plan for Pep to come in. Pellegrini knew this was the case - it was a condition of his contract. Pellegrini - no matter what he achieved, was always going in 2016 and Pep was always arriving at that time to replace him.
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I don’t think it’s harsh on Pellegrini whatever about Mancini.
He had the best team and only won 1 in 3. I accept Chelsea were very good in one of those seasons but letting Leicester win it and barely making top 4 was poor.
posted on 17/1/22
The only team with the guts to have a go is Liverpool tbf hopefully city have blip when European football starts 👍
posted on 17/1/22
Pep is the single most important part but simply put, the investment in the squad covers mistakes, bad luck and bad form. If a signing doesn’t work out, doesn’t matter. If a player gets injured - not a problem, there’s another top class player on the bench. A player is out of form - ditto.
When you have a top manager and the ability to minimise the impacts of poor fortune - it’s insanely difficult to compete? Other teams know they have to be almost perfect which brings with it additional pressure.
The next manager will be interesting. Will he be able to keep the squad as content as they seem now? Keep the desire in the players. I don’t think you can underestimate the impact having a manager who will go down as one of the greatest ever.
Unfortunately for my club, I suspect Klopp will move on at about the same time.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm a little confused by the article.
I thought it was asking who can catch you this season, then I considered perhaps it's asking who can catch you in general, although there was then talk about clubs spending badly who are nowhere near catching you.
If you're asking this season then Liverpool can catch you. If you're asking overall then nobody as you have the best squad of players and can improve on that with mega money each season. Of course as you say, this has to be done right but much easier from the position you're in than from the position Everton are/were in.
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City were in a worse position when the current owners took over than Everton were. City have only progressed as a result of their current owners.
Everton have got worse, or at best stagnated. Nah, they’ve got worse.
The point is that good owners with a plan can make all the difference. Rich owners (Everton) without a plan can make no difference at all. Or it can actually end up worse than it was beforehand.
Yes, the comments have taken the article in a different direction, but the point overall remains the same. Investment. Trying to compete. And once competing, who can then challenge.
City have been at and around the top for just over a decade now. Some of those at the top back in 2008 no longer are. United most notably. Is that purely down to money? I would say money plays a part but it isn’t the only reason.
My point is that City have clearly got it right. The club has a vision. It isn’t just about throwing money at something and hoping it sticks.
So my question does relate to who can catch us this season and also who can catch us going forward. Which club has the structure in place to compete and better what City have done and what City want to continue to achieve?
posted on 17/1/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
All three managers appointed by the owners have won the league.
But I do agree, Pep is the stand out.
I think for City, if they get the next manager right…
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They have but I’d argue only one league for Mancini and especially Pellegrini was an underachievement.
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That’s harsh on both Mancini and Pellegrini. But you are right to the extent that City didn’t continue the tenure of both of those managers. Mancini’s failure to win the league again after his success in 2012 resulted in his sacking.
But Pellegrini wasn’t sacked per se. He worked his contract, fulfilled his contract. And it was always the plan for Pep to come in. Pellegrini knew this was the case - it was a condition of his contract. Pellegrini - no matter what he achieved, was always going in 2016 and Pep was always arriving at that time to replace him.
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I don’t think it’s harsh on Pellegrini whatever about Mancini.
He had the best team and only won 1 in 3. I accept Chelsea were very good in one of those seasons but letting Leicester win it and barely making top 4 was poor.
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Letting Leicester win it?
How did Mancini or Pellegrini let Leicester win it?
Your going to have to clarify your post, because I can’t make any sense out of it.
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