Scary isnt it? How bad Corbyn and labour was that they lost to this.
"What I don't get is how could millions of educated people not see that the press before the last general election, that our press were demonising Corbyn, going after him personally, not his policies, yet ignoring every lie or scandal the Tories were involved in?"
I had a similar view as OP before Trump/Brexit (No sane woman would vote for Trump after the p*ssygrabber story, so he's unelectable due to simple maths right?), but learned 2 big lessons the hard way.
We humans tend to hyperfocus on single issues of enemies/opponents, but can let some (or alot of) things slide regarding close ones.
There's no denying it, alot of ppl regard Boris as one of their own while Corbyn is clearly not as relatable even for a large part of Labour voters.
I mean if your big bro's legal side hussle is taking off you wouldn't report him to HMRC for tax evasion, because he takes you out on dinners and gets you a PS5 for your birthday. But if a MP's side hussle isn't reported and it becomes public you ready your pitchfork and start looking for the highest Ash tree in your neighborhood
Aside of all that for a majority of ppl voting Tory actually IS in their own interests if you have a white collar job, own a nice house, car, investments, etc.
(mind you I vote left/progressive in my own country against my own interests but for the greater good which is part of my interest if you look further ahead than today).
It's also hard to make leftist/socialist policies work without going against that majority of people. The few ways to make that work is to instill a Scandinavian mindset (high tax, high wellfare) or becoming China (who can say FU to would be rightists voters and partially own highly profitable companies to fund infrastructure and unpopular policies)
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
Corbyn would have won the election only if he had stayed away from those anti-Semites 👍
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Among other things.
Working classes did not trust him in millions.
His Eurosceptic and Brexit stance did not help labour either.
Bojo is a clown and I hope labour or lib Dems get in next time, for a change??
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Not commenting on the A-S comment, but the data shows that Labour won the working class vote in 2017. That's why we then had two years of Labour scandals
As with most votes, it's the pensioners who swung it
And I also strongly disagree with the earlier comment Corbyn was too dismissive of the centre - he's the most pluralistic of any of the leader's over the last decade, it's his own PLP which rejected him over and over. Let's not forget the chicken coup of 2016, even then Corbyn still let Starmer back-in
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 23 minutes ago
I will be amazed if the tories don’t win the next election- despite all they’ve done, my faith in the British public is minuscule, they will always do the wrong thing
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Sinn fein will win the next one over here. Should be fun
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Of course he was electable, but several years of a targeted media campaign made fools believe he wasn't.
The BBC did this ffs
https://youtu.be/XH2eUwEk_1s
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Watch this one then. This is what anyone who wanted the Tories out of office were up against.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lsRbDKOXg
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Of course he was electable, but several years of a targeted media campaign made fools believe he wasn't.
The BBC did this ffs
https://youtu.be/XH2eUwEk_1s
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Watch this one then. This is what anyone who wanted the Tories out of office were up against.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lsRbDKOXg
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Ha ha thats brilliant, just shows the majority don't know what actual socialism is, and the recoil when they see its Corbyn shows the media campaign worked.
Like why anyone thinks nationalising public services is a bad idea ill never know, seeing profits going to shareholders is an absolute disgrace.
It's difficult to find a political home if you're something of a centrist.
I'm more Cameron than Corbyn, but more Blair than Boris.
When the Labour Party members voted for Corbyn as leader I was fairly safe in the knowledge that I'd never vote for Labour again. This was clearly a party that wasn't learning from past mistakes to become a potential party of government rather than a party of protest.
But then we had Brexit.
Brexit had the unintended affect of clearing the Conservative Party of many of its sensible centrists. Now you're left with the odious and obnoxious: like Mogg, Gove, Leadsom and Johnson. A party of low integrity. I had a lot of respect for May, whether I agreed with her or not, she was somebody I could get behind as a leader.
So I'm left in a vacuum of choice. The Liberal Democrats seem incapable of any political breakthrough. Keir Starmer seems very vanilla and I doubt he will cut through in this social media age when style is more important than substance. Even so I'd rather have a lawyer than a liar.
This country has too many people who vote by party - irrespective of what that party stands for. You could pin a red rosette on an orangutan or a blue rosette on a hippo and people would still vote for them. That's why a change in the electoral system, although long overdue, will never happen and we'll just lurch from one extreme to the other and one crisis to the next.
Sorry, centrists have an abundance of options in the UK. This 'politically homeless' narrative does not compare in the slightest for anyone on the left
Yeah but Boris is a laugh innit
I can't think about Corbyn without an image of him ploughing Diane Abbot springing up Reggie Perrin likey.
Naw. Just naw.
It's probably clear from this page I'm still very sore about the Labour loss, but the disrespect Diane Abbott gets is even more infuriating. A black woman in Oxbridge in the 70s, the first black female MP, and still an intensely popular constituency MP. By all rights she should be considered a mother of the House, instead she's statistically the most abused female MP
comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
Corbyn would have won the election only if he had stayed away from those anti-Semites 👍
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Among other things.
Working classes did not trust him in millions.
His Eurosceptic and Brexit stance did not help labour either.
Bojo is a clown and I hope labour or lib Dems get in next time, for a change??
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Not commenting on the A-S comment, but the data shows that Labour won the working class vote in 2017. That's why we then had two years of Labour scandals
As with most votes, it's the pensioners who swung it
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More working class voted tory than labour in 2019 though, right?
Considering labour were formed to represent the red wall working class, among other regions, the disconnect between working people and Corbyn labour is startling...not sure Starmer is much better, tbh.
That said, voting Boris and Tory is not my alternative.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
I can't think about Corbyn without an image of him ploughing Diane Abbot springing up Reggie Perrin likey.
Naw. Just naw.
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😱
comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
It's probably clear from this page I'm still very sore about the Labour loss, but the disrespect Diane Abbott gets is even more infuriating. A black woman in Oxbridge in the 70s, the first black female MP, and still an intensely popular constituency MP. By all rights she should be considered a mother of the House, instead she's statistically the most abused female MP
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The abuse Abbott receives is often racist, sexist and wrong.
As an MP and operator in modern politics, she is inept, badly prepared and a figure of fun.
comment by Cinciwolf--Whiney and easily offended! (U11551)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
Yeah but Boris is a laugh innit
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That ship has sailed with HIGNFY...the party is over 😉
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
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The abuse Abbott receives is often racist, sexist and wrong.
As an MP and operator in modern politics, she is inept, badly prepared and a figure of fun.
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She's an old, diabetic woman who has been in the public eye for over 3 decades, and she is routinely mocked for a single time she got a figure wrong on radio. Oh, and drinking a can on a train. I have issues with her - she's puritanical on s3x worker rights for example - and you may disagree, but she is a figure of fun because she's black.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
It's probably clear from this page I'm still very sore about the Labour loss, but the disrespect Diane Abbott gets is even more infuriating. A black woman in Oxbridge in the 70s, the first black female MP, and still an intensely popular constituency MP. By all rights she should be considered a mother of the House, instead she's statistically the most abused female MP
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The abuse Abbott receives is often racist, sexist and wrong.
As an MP and operator in modern politics, she is inept, badly prepared and a figure of fun.
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Aw, you missed out hypocrite, racist and corrupt amongst others.
comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
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The abuse Abbott receives is often racist, sexist and wrong.
As an MP and operator in modern politics, she is inept, badly prepared and a figure of fun.
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She's an old, diabetic woman who has been in the public eye for over 3 decades, and she is routinely mocked for a single time she got a figure wrong on radio. Oh, and drinking a can on a train. I have issues with her - she's puritanical on s3x worker rights for example - and you may disagree, but she is a figure of fun because she's black.
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68 is old? FFS.
She is a figure of fun who happens to be black and the forgetfulness and the can is the least of her worries versus the elasticity of positions she has made over the years. Pluralistic indeed.
She’s been in Parliament for 3 decades and she’s a figure of fun because she got a figure wrong.
Meanwhile Johnson, Sunak and co let £4.3bn slip away, break the rules in under 2 years and no one calls them unelectable.
The amount of brainwashing the British public have allowed themselves to be subjected to is astounding
Putin would be laughing his balls off if Corbyn’s Labour were in power now. Fancy admitting you’d never press the button. These weapons are a deterrent, nobody wants to use them, but as soon as you say you won’t use them they’re no longer a deterrent.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 7 hours, 18 minutes ago
Putin would be laughing his balls off if Corbyn’s Labour were in power now. Fancy admitting you’d never press the button. These weapons are a deterrent, nobody wants to use them, but as soon as you say you won’t use them they’re no longer a deterrent.
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Putins been laughing ever since we voted for Brexit and then for Boris. He's been laughing longer and harder at the UK than you realise. UK's nuclear deterrent means nothing to someone like Russia
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
Andy Burnham would be a perfect leader for the Labour Party
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Nah he is only interested in pandering to the North, even though he spent years in Westminster earning a crust. He is really the worse of the worse, and though I am Labour through and through, he is one politician who I simply do not trust. He is always trying to pit the country against London. Like London has no places of deprivation. He is only in it for himself.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
It's probably clear from this page I'm still very sore about the Labour loss, but the disrespect Diane Abbott gets is even more infuriating. A black woman in Oxbridge in the 70s, the first black female MP, and still an intensely popular constituency MP. By all rights she should be considered a mother of the House, instead she's statistically the most abused female MP
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The abuse Abbott receives is often racist, sexist and wrong.
As an MP and operator in modern politics, she is inept, badly prepared and a figure of fun.
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Are you talking about our current PM?
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 23 hours, 28 minutes ago
She’s been in Parliament for 3 decades and she’s a figure of fun because she got a figure wrong.
Meanwhile Johnson, Sunak and co let £4.3bn slip away, break the rules in under 2 years and no one calls them unelectable.
The amount of brainwashing the British public have allowed themselves to be subjected to is astounding
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posted on 28/1/22
Scary isnt it? How bad Corbyn and labour was that they lost to this.
posted on 28/1/22
"What I don't get is how could millions of educated people not see that the press before the last general election, that our press were demonising Corbyn, going after him personally, not his policies, yet ignoring every lie or scandal the Tories were involved in?"
I had a similar view as OP before Trump/Brexit (No sane woman would vote for Trump after the p*ssygrabber story, so he's unelectable due to simple maths right?), but learned 2 big lessons the hard way.
We humans tend to hyperfocus on single issues of enemies/opponents, but can let some (or alot of) things slide regarding close ones.
There's no denying it, alot of ppl regard Boris as one of their own while Corbyn is clearly not as relatable even for a large part of Labour voters.
I mean if your big bro's legal side hussle is taking off you wouldn't report him to HMRC for tax evasion, because he takes you out on dinners and gets you a PS5 for your birthday. But if a MP's side hussle isn't reported and it becomes public you ready your pitchfork and start looking for the highest Ash tree in your neighborhood
Aside of all that for a majority of ppl voting Tory actually IS in their own interests if you have a white collar job, own a nice house, car, investments, etc.
(mind you I vote left/progressive in my own country against my own interests but for the greater good which is part of my interest if you look further ahead than today).
It's also hard to make leftist/socialist policies work without going against that majority of people. The few ways to make that work is to instill a Scandinavian mindset (high tax, high wellfare) or becoming China (who can say FU to would be rightists voters and partially own highly profitable companies to fund infrastructure and unpopular policies)
posted on 28/1/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
Corbyn would have won the election only if he had stayed away from those anti-Semites 👍
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Among other things.
Working classes did not trust him in millions.
His Eurosceptic and Brexit stance did not help labour either.
Bojo is a clown and I hope labour or lib Dems get in next time, for a change??
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Not commenting on the A-S comment, but the data shows that Labour won the working class vote in 2017. That's why we then had two years of Labour scandals
As with most votes, it's the pensioners who swung it
posted on 28/1/22
And I also strongly disagree with the earlier comment Corbyn was too dismissive of the centre - he's the most pluralistic of any of the leader's over the last decade, it's his own PLP which rejected him over and over. Let's not forget the chicken coup of 2016, even then Corbyn still let Starmer back-in
posted on 28/1/22
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 23 minutes ago
I will be amazed if the tories don’t win the next election- despite all they’ve done, my faith in the British public is minuscule, they will always do the wrong thing
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Sinn fein will win the next one over here. Should be fun
posted on 28/1/22
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Of course he was electable, but several years of a targeted media campaign made fools believe he wasn't.
The BBC did this ffs
https://youtu.be/XH2eUwEk_1s
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Watch this one then. This is what anyone who wanted the Tories out of office were up against.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lsRbDKOXg
posted on 28/1/22
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Of course he was electable, but several years of a targeted media campaign made fools believe he wasn't.
The BBC did this ffs
https://youtu.be/XH2eUwEk_1s
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Watch this one then. This is what anyone who wanted the Tories out of office were up against.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lsRbDKOXg
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Ha ha thats brilliant, just shows the majority don't know what actual socialism is, and the recoil when they see its Corbyn shows the media campaign worked.
Like why anyone thinks nationalising public services is a bad idea ill never know, seeing profits going to shareholders is an absolute disgrace.
posted on 28/1/22
It's difficult to find a political home if you're something of a centrist.
I'm more Cameron than Corbyn, but more Blair than Boris.
When the Labour Party members voted for Corbyn as leader I was fairly safe in the knowledge that I'd never vote for Labour again. This was clearly a party that wasn't learning from past mistakes to become a potential party of government rather than a party of protest.
But then we had Brexit.
Brexit had the unintended affect of clearing the Conservative Party of many of its sensible centrists. Now you're left with the odious and obnoxious: like Mogg, Gove, Leadsom and Johnson. A party of low integrity. I had a lot of respect for May, whether I agreed with her or not, she was somebody I could get behind as a leader.
So I'm left in a vacuum of choice. The Liberal Democrats seem incapable of any political breakthrough. Keir Starmer seems very vanilla and I doubt he will cut through in this social media age when style is more important than substance. Even so I'd rather have a lawyer than a liar.
This country has too many people who vote by party - irrespective of what that party stands for. You could pin a red rosette on an orangutan or a blue rosette on a hippo and people would still vote for them. That's why a change in the electoral system, although long overdue, will never happen and we'll just lurch from one extreme to the other and one crisis to the next.
posted on 28/1/22
Sorry, centrists have an abundance of options in the UK. This 'politically homeless' narrative does not compare in the slightest for anyone on the left
posted on 28/1/22
Yeah but Boris is a laugh innit
posted on 28/1/22
I can't think about Corbyn without an image of him ploughing Diane Abbot springing up Reggie Perrin likey.
Naw. Just naw.
posted on 28/1/22
It's probably clear from this page I'm still very sore about the Labour loss, but the disrespect Diane Abbott gets is even more infuriating. A black woman in Oxbridge in the 70s, the first black female MP, and still an intensely popular constituency MP. By all rights she should be considered a mother of the House, instead she's statistically the most abused female MP
posted on 28/1/22
comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
Corbyn would have won the election only if he had stayed away from those anti-Semites 👍
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Among other things.
Working classes did not trust him in millions.
His Eurosceptic and Brexit stance did not help labour either.
Bojo is a clown and I hope labour or lib Dems get in next time, for a change??
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Not commenting on the A-S comment, but the data shows that Labour won the working class vote in 2017. That's why we then had two years of Labour scandals
As with most votes, it's the pensioners who swung it
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More working class voted tory than labour in 2019 though, right?
Considering labour were formed to represent the red wall working class, among other regions, the disconnect between working people and Corbyn labour is startling...not sure Starmer is much better, tbh.
That said, voting Boris and Tory is not my alternative.
posted on 28/1/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
I can't think about Corbyn without an image of him ploughing Diane Abbot springing up Reggie Perrin likey.
Naw. Just naw.
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😱
posted on 28/1/22
comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
It's probably clear from this page I'm still very sore about the Labour loss, but the disrespect Diane Abbott gets is even more infuriating. A black woman in Oxbridge in the 70s, the first black female MP, and still an intensely popular constituency MP. By all rights she should be considered a mother of the House, instead she's statistically the most abused female MP
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The abuse Abbott receives is often racist, sexist and wrong.
As an MP and operator in modern politics, she is inept, badly prepared and a figure of fun.
posted on 28/1/22
comment by Cinciwolf--Whiney and easily offended! (U11551)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
Yeah but Boris is a laugh innit
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That ship has sailed with HIGNFY...the party is over 😉
posted on 28/1/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
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The abuse Abbott receives is often racist, sexist and wrong.
As an MP and operator in modern politics, she is inept, badly prepared and a figure of fun.
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She's an old, diabetic woman who has been in the public eye for over 3 decades, and she is routinely mocked for a single time she got a figure wrong on radio. Oh, and drinking a can on a train. I have issues with her - she's puritanical on s3x worker rights for example - and you may disagree, but she is a figure of fun because she's black.
posted on 28/1/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
It's probably clear from this page I'm still very sore about the Labour loss, but the disrespect Diane Abbott gets is even more infuriating. A black woman in Oxbridge in the 70s, the first black female MP, and still an intensely popular constituency MP. By all rights she should be considered a mother of the House, instead she's statistically the most abused female MP
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The abuse Abbott receives is often racist, sexist and wrong.
As an MP and operator in modern politics, she is inept, badly prepared and a figure of fun.
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Aw, you missed out hypocrite, racist and corrupt amongst others.
posted on 28/1/22
comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
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The abuse Abbott receives is often racist, sexist and wrong.
As an MP and operator in modern politics, she is inept, badly prepared and a figure of fun.
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She's an old, diabetic woman who has been in the public eye for over 3 decades, and she is routinely mocked for a single time she got a figure wrong on radio. Oh, and drinking a can on a train. I have issues with her - she's puritanical on s3x worker rights for example - and you may disagree, but she is a figure of fun because she's black.
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68 is old? FFS.
She is a figure of fun who happens to be black and the forgetfulness and the can is the least of her worries versus the elasticity of positions she has made over the years. Pluralistic indeed.
posted on 28/1/22
She’s been in Parliament for 3 decades and she’s a figure of fun because she got a figure wrong.
Meanwhile Johnson, Sunak and co let £4.3bn slip away, break the rules in under 2 years and no one calls them unelectable.
The amount of brainwashing the British public have allowed themselves to be subjected to is astounding
posted on 29/1/22
Putin would be laughing his balls off if Corbyn’s Labour were in power now. Fancy admitting you’d never press the button. These weapons are a deterrent, nobody wants to use them, but as soon as you say you won’t use them they’re no longer a deterrent.
posted on 29/1/22
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 7 hours, 18 minutes ago
Putin would be laughing his balls off if Corbyn’s Labour were in power now. Fancy admitting you’d never press the button. These weapons are a deterrent, nobody wants to use them, but as soon as you say you won’t use them they’re no longer a deterrent.
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Putins been laughing ever since we voted for Brexit and then for Boris. He's been laughing longer and harder at the UK than you realise. UK's nuclear deterrent means nothing to someone like Russia
posted on 29/1/22
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
Andy Burnham would be a perfect leader for the Labour Party
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Nah he is only interested in pandering to the North, even though he spent years in Westminster earning a crust. He is really the worse of the worse, and though I am Labour through and through, he is one politician who I simply do not trust. He is always trying to pit the country against London. Like London has no places of deprivation. He is only in it for himself.
posted on 29/1/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
It's probably clear from this page I'm still very sore about the Labour loss, but the disrespect Diane Abbott gets is even more infuriating. A black woman in Oxbridge in the 70s, the first black female MP, and still an intensely popular constituency MP. By all rights she should be considered a mother of the House, instead she's statistically the most abused female MP
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The abuse Abbott receives is often racist, sexist and wrong.
As an MP and operator in modern politics, she is inept, badly prepared and a figure of fun.
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Are you talking about our current PM?
posted on 29/1/22
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 23 hours, 28 minutes ago
She’s been in Parliament for 3 decades and she’s a figure of fun because she got a figure wrong.
Meanwhile Johnson, Sunak and co let £4.3bn slip away, break the rules in under 2 years and no one calls them unelectable.
The amount of brainwashing the British public have allowed themselves to be subjected to is astounding
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