comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
will be interesting next season when we have Saar available to play in MF too.... Saar, Skipp, PEH, Winks & Betancur gives us different options.
Like many have pointed out, its that creative MF/ No 10 that leaves a question..... will be very interesting to see exactly what Kulusevski is ?
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Maybe Kulusevski becomes our created we been missing ? Play in a Eriksen type role
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Heard Kevin Hatchard talking last night (Knows his stuff) was saying that Kulusevski was at his best more as a 10 for Atlanta & Parma than he was as a winger at Juve..... we'll see
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 minutes ago
4/10
Whilst we've shipped out a few that weren't in the manager's plans, all of them had flair and creativity that, even though they weren't often starting games, provided options from the bench should we be chasing a game. That's four midfielders of that profile leaving us with Skipp, PEH, Winks, Bentancur as our only midfield options. All four are similar in profile. No, guile, no creativity, no chance of changing a game. They're all good at tempo but they can't dictate.
We've signed a player in Kulusevski I don't think we needed. In fact in terms of contribution, we're seeing more from Moura, who he'll be competing with, than anything he's ever done at Juve.
It's a massive, massive gamble. I can see the plan. Sell on, bring in funds, hope we qualify for the CL and use those funds and the CL qualification to lure better players than we were able to source in Jan. I get it. The problem is that I worry we've oversold and shot ourselves in the foot. Even though they weren't really playing much, we're undoubtedly weaker than we were. Now that might be with a plan to go again but that only works if we qualify for the CL, which to my mind, has just become more difficult.
Imagine, we're 1-0 to, I don't know, Burnley in the PL. Conte turns to his bench. Hand on heart can you honestly say we have anyone to change a game? Anyone that can rescue things? We are no absolutely devoid of game changers, be that on the bench or in the first 11. I don't think some of you guys realise this yet but it'll become apparent when this side goes behind. That's when the frailties of this squad will be exposed. Or even if there's a stalemate and we can't find a way through a stubborn defence. That's when the questions will be asked and rightly so. Not just of Conte but of Daniel, Joe, the whole damn hierarchy.
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This and I got shot down for it on here. Wether the players we got rid of player under Conte or not is irrelevant because at the end of the day, they are still options if there were injuries etc etc. we have now got rid of 4 players, buying in 2, which means we don’t have as much quality on the bench or in the squad. I don’t give a s** what anyone says, we are weaker - fact. Now, if we don’t get untold injuries and these 2 Juventus lads hit the ground running, then theres a strong possibility the 1st 11 might improve, but that’s dependent on these 2 lads. Don’t try and sugar coat it though, our squad depth has got weaker and us stopping Harvey white going on loan is you’re proof in the pudding
Don... Conte has got rid of 4 players he doesnt want to use, and gained 2 that he does. so from the outside it looks like we have lost 2 players, but Conte will seen it as him gaining 2 players
For a January window I would give it an 8 or a 9, don't know when people started expecting this to be the time of year where you deal with the major problems in the squad
The other way of looking at it is that there are now 2 extra spots for youth prospects to step into. Imagine if we had never given Harry Kane a chance? Now Devine/Scarlett/White have a chance to show they have what it takes to step up rather than Ndombele, Dele and Lo Celso showing they can’t perform how the manager wants.
We’ve definitely come out of the window stronger
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
For a January window I would give it an 8 or a 9, don't know when people started expecting this to be the time of year where you deal with the major problems in the squad
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8 or 9?
We don't expect the major surgery to start now but when you get rid of four creative midfielders, you expect a little creativity to come in its place, particularly when you have a crucial race going on for the top four between now and the summer. We haven't signed anyone in midfield that offers creativity at all. Bentancur is very much in the same mould as Skipp, PEH and Winks. Kulu is competing with Lucas and Bergwjin for the right sided forward role. We haven't sorted any of the crucial positions that needed looking at like RWB, centre half, creative midfielder or cover for Kane. None. To call this an 8 or 9 is just laughable.
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Arsenal shat it on 16/01/22 (U18109)
posted 59 seconds ago
The other way of looking at it is that there are now 2 extra spots for youth prospects to step into. Imagine if we had never given Harry Kane a chance? Now Devine/Scarlett/White have a chance to show they have what it takes to step up rather than Ndombele, Dele and Lo Celso showing they can’t perform how the manager wants.
We’ve definitely come out of the window stronger
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I admire your optimism but this just smacks of the same rose-tinted specs people had when they were trying to turn the signing of Frazer Campbell into a positive. I get where your coming from but if the only positive is a clearer path for the youngsters to evolve then we've had a bad window. Most kids don't make it. I think I've only ever seen maybe three examples of academy graduates coming through together to take the PL by storm and that's United's class of 1992, West Ham's Rio, Cole Lampard etc and the current Chelsea crop. It's rare. Most academy players drop down the leagues and find their level so to rely on them for a CL run in is just crazy.
If we take the on paper values we shifted nearly 200m worth of talent out and brought less than 100m in. Of course that's not a fair reflection of the context of who we moved and why, but yeah. 8 or 9 would be silly. Maybe if we'd got one of our (Conte's?) first pics I'd be more positive.
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
For a January window I would give it an 8 or a 9, don't know when people started expecting this to be the time of year where you deal with the major problems in the squad
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8 or 9?
We don't expect the major surgery to start now but when you get rid of four creative midfielders, you expect a little creativity to come in its place, particularly when you have a crucial race going on for the top four between now and the summer. We haven't signed anyone in midfield that offers creativity at all. Bentancur is very much in the same mould as Skipp, PEH and Winks. Kulu is competing with Lucas and Bergwjin for the right sided forward role. We haven't sorted any of the crucial positions that needed looking at like RWB, centre half, creative midfielder or cover for Kane. None. To call this an 8 or 9 is just laughable.
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Kulusevski averaged more league assists per 90 this season for juventus than Ndombele, Dele or Lo Celso ever have done for us. He's a creative player but one thag Conte actually wants and will use. It's pretty obvious that Conte wants to play a 343 with a conservative midfield two, it's not like bentancur stopped us signing a creative central midfielder because Conte doesn't want that type of player.
You think clubs were queuing up to sell their champions league quality RWBs, CBs, and CFs in January? No, it's a terrible time to buy. That's why us getting any good business done should be seen as a huge success.
If a 10/10 is the best case scenario for a January window than I don't see how it's silly to call this an 8 or a 9. Do people think the best case scenario was us signing Lamptey, Bastoni and Vlahovic alongside the two we got? Because I hate to break it to you but that was never going to happen
If you ship out more players than you bring in and the quality isn't notably better, then yeah. I don't see how you've improved the squad. Granted we've set ourselves up for the summer by shifting some deadwood.. but it's not like the 2 unwanted midfielders were sold. We've likely just made a problem for the future there.
Kulusevski should've been a RWB. And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? We should've bought a similar quality defender and shifted a RB or Rodon
To those who it (bizarrely) isn’t obvious to. If you get rid of players who wouldn’t play anyway - it probably doesn’t matter. It has been very evident that Conte wants to play in a way that suits a Bentacur over a GLC.
Why does a players quality and availability ever directly correlate, bales?
Not sure I understand the question, Edin. Chris' point was that we did good business cos you can't sign the top players in Jan.. while saying that Kulusevski was a top creative player (better than what we had anyway).
We've massively improved the actual playing squad. Those players were not in the managers plans. We've gone from having 3 central midfielders and 3 wingers that the manager is happy using to 4 of each. I don't see how that isn't a plus.
"If he's so good why did they sell him" isn't really that compelling because clubs makes mistakes all the time.
It's easy to say that it "should have been a RB" but we've no idea who was available. Considering we wanted adama im sure we wanted to strengthen that position but then we're not happy with the other options available this window. Should we have just panic bought a player for the sake of it and got stuck with them on our books? I don't think so.
If we don't sign a RWB in the summer then nobody will be complaining more than me but I think people have frankly hilarious expectations for the January window
Sometimes decent players become available but it's not like clockwork - it's not that one from every position becomes available and you pick which one you need the most. A CM and a RW that Conte likes happened to become available towards the end of the window because juventus signed Vlahovic and we capitalised on that.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
If you ship out more players than you bring in and the quality isn't notably better, then yeah. I don't see how you've improved the squad. Granted we've set ourselves up for the summer by shifting some deadwood.. but it's not like the 2 unwanted midfielders were sold. We've likely just made a problem for the future there.
Kulusevski should've been a RWB. And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? We should've bought a similar quality defender and shifted a RB or Rodon
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Salah and KDB were surplus at Chelsea. Jamie Vardy was playing non league football, Dele was at MK dons, Kane couldn’t score when away on his loans, Bales Spurs career started terribly.
Juventus are a footballing powerhouse with some of the best players in the world. Kulusevski had been kept out of the side by Chiesa. Juve who have widely reported financial issues, bought Vlahovic and Zakaria and desperately needed to balance the books - hence Ronaldo was let go in the summer and these two now
Fair enough. I'm not saying we've had a mare or anything. And if we'd actually sold them 2 I'd be right on board singing Paratici's praises.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
Not sure I understand the question, Edin. Chris' point was that we did good business cos you can't sign the top players in Jan.. while saying that Kulusevski was a top creative player (better than what we had anyway).
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‘ And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? ‘.
My point is that a players availability and quality are not directly comparable. We have signed plenty of quality players quite easily who were very available.
I think other people addressed the point above.
Only thing you aim for in Jan is to improve the squad (which we have in terms of people who play) or to fix any urgent weaknesses. Which we don’t really have, while Emerson isn’t the best suited he is capable enough
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
Not sure I understand the question, Edin. Chris' point was that we did good business cos you can't sign the top players in Jan.. while saying that Kulusevski was a top creative player (better than what we had anyway).
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‘ And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? ‘.
My point is that a players availability and quality are not directly comparable. We have signed plenty of quality players quite easily who were very available.
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Not necessarily directly, no. But usually, yes. Supply and demand n all that. Diaz was available but demand saw us miss out.
Kulusevski was available but wasn't in such high demand.. logic tells you he's not as good as Diaz.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
Not sure I understand the question, Edin. Chris' point was that we did good business cos you can't sign the top players in Jan.. while saying that Kulusevski was a top creative player (better than what we had anyway).
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‘ And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? ‘.
My point is that a players availability and quality are not directly comparable. We have signed plenty of quality players quite easily who were very available.
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Not necessarily directly, no. But usually, yes. Supply and demand n all that. Diaz was available but demand saw us miss out.
Kulusevski was available but wasn't in such high demand.. logic tells you he's not as good as Diaz.
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That’s correct for now, but doesn’t mean Kulu won’t be the better long term signing. The summer we bought Tanguy he was considered much better than JWP - but I know which I would rather have.
United sounded £70m on Sancho, Leeds spent less than half of that on Raphina.
The point is Kulusevski is 21 and has played semi regularly for Juventus as well as being a regular for his national side. We haven’t bought a complete no hoper, we have loaned a player with serious potential, who in 18 Mo this time we can send back if he is not up to it
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
Not sure I understand the question, Edin. Chris' point was that we did good business cos you can't sign the top players in Jan.. while saying that Kulusevski was a top creative player (better than what we had anyway).
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‘ And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? ‘.
My point is that a players availability and quality are not directly comparable. We have signed plenty of quality players quite easily who were very available.
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Not necessarily directly, no. But usually, yes. Supply and demand n all that. Diaz was available but demand saw us miss out.
Kulusevski was available but wasn't in such high demand.. logic tells you he's not as good as Diaz.
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not comparing the two as players but we were the only ones going for Eriksen when we signed him, so demand doesnt mean much
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think other people addressed the point above.
Only thing you aim for in Jan is to improve the squad (which we have in terms of people who play) or to fix any urgent weaknesses. Which we don’t really have, while Emerson isn’t the best suited he is capable enough
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Have we?
I'm not sure we have improved even the starting 11. The two we've signed we already have decent enough players that do exactly the same thing...
Bentancur > Winks, PEH, Skipp
Kulusevski > Lucas, Bergwijn
From the reviews I've read, the Juve fans are quite happy to get rid of them so all we've really done is signed cover for positions that are already well covered.
In the meantime we have Royal still stinking out the RWB slot, a left back in a left centre half role, no creative midfielder and no cover for Kane should he get injured. I don't know who's pulling the strings but if this is Paratici it absolutely stinks of reactive signings rather than thinking about what we really need. At around £50m for the pair, I don't know, they may turn out to be a bargain, but do we need them? No. It's about what the squad needs, not what bargain he can pull off.
I'm not happy with the squad, the sporting director or the ownership right now. Conte I'm yet to be convinced is 100% invested in this project. He's a good manager but if he's got one eye on leaving in the summer, forget it. I don't want to give him a penny. Why butcher a squad in the name of someone that doesn't really want to stick around?
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posted on 1/2/22
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
will be interesting next season when we have Saar available to play in MF too.... Saar, Skipp, PEH, Winks & Betancur gives us different options.
Like many have pointed out, its that creative MF/ No 10 that leaves a question..... will be very interesting to see exactly what Kulusevski is ?
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Maybe Kulusevski becomes our created we been missing ? Play in a Eriksen type role
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Heard Kevin Hatchard talking last night (Knows his stuff) was saying that Kulusevski was at his best more as a 10 for Atlanta & Parma than he was as a winger at Juve..... we'll see
posted on 1/2/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 minutes ago
4/10
Whilst we've shipped out a few that weren't in the manager's plans, all of them had flair and creativity that, even though they weren't often starting games, provided options from the bench should we be chasing a game. That's four midfielders of that profile leaving us with Skipp, PEH, Winks, Bentancur as our only midfield options. All four are similar in profile. No, guile, no creativity, no chance of changing a game. They're all good at tempo but they can't dictate.
We've signed a player in Kulusevski I don't think we needed. In fact in terms of contribution, we're seeing more from Moura, who he'll be competing with, than anything he's ever done at Juve.
It's a massive, massive gamble. I can see the plan. Sell on, bring in funds, hope we qualify for the CL and use those funds and the CL qualification to lure better players than we were able to source in Jan. I get it. The problem is that I worry we've oversold and shot ourselves in the foot. Even though they weren't really playing much, we're undoubtedly weaker than we were. Now that might be with a plan to go again but that only works if we qualify for the CL, which to my mind, has just become more difficult.
Imagine, we're 1-0 to, I don't know, Burnley in the PL. Conte turns to his bench. Hand on heart can you honestly say we have anyone to change a game? Anyone that can rescue things? We are no absolutely devoid of game changers, be that on the bench or in the first 11. I don't think some of you guys realise this yet but it'll become apparent when this side goes behind. That's when the frailties of this squad will be exposed. Or even if there's a stalemate and we can't find a way through a stubborn defence. That's when the questions will be asked and rightly so. Not just of Conte but of Daniel, Joe, the whole damn hierarchy.
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This and I got shot down for it on here. Wether the players we got rid of player under Conte or not is irrelevant because at the end of the day, they are still options if there were injuries etc etc. we have now got rid of 4 players, buying in 2, which means we don’t have as much quality on the bench or in the squad. I don’t give a s** what anyone says, we are weaker - fact. Now, if we don’t get untold injuries and these 2 Juventus lads hit the ground running, then theres a strong possibility the 1st 11 might improve, but that’s dependent on these 2 lads. Don’t try and sugar coat it though, our squad depth has got weaker and us stopping Harvey white going on loan is you’re proof in the pudding
posted on 1/2/22
Don... Conte has got rid of 4 players he doesnt want to use, and gained 2 that he does. so from the outside it looks like we have lost 2 players, but Conte will seen it as him gaining 2 players
posted on 1/2/22
For a January window I would give it an 8 or a 9, don't know when people started expecting this to be the time of year where you deal with the major problems in the squad
posted on 1/2/22
The other way of looking at it is that there are now 2 extra spots for youth prospects to step into. Imagine if we had never given Harry Kane a chance? Now Devine/Scarlett/White have a chance to show they have what it takes to step up rather than Ndombele, Dele and Lo Celso showing they can’t perform how the manager wants.
We’ve definitely come out of the window stronger
posted on 1/2/22
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
For a January window I would give it an 8 or a 9, don't know when people started expecting this to be the time of year where you deal with the major problems in the squad
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8 or 9?
We don't expect the major surgery to start now but when you get rid of four creative midfielders, you expect a little creativity to come in its place, particularly when you have a crucial race going on for the top four between now and the summer. We haven't signed anyone in midfield that offers creativity at all. Bentancur is very much in the same mould as Skipp, PEH and Winks. Kulu is competing with Lucas and Bergwjin for the right sided forward role. We haven't sorted any of the crucial positions that needed looking at like RWB, centre half, creative midfielder or cover for Kane. None. To call this an 8 or 9 is just laughable.
posted on 1/2/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Arsenal shat it on 16/01/22 (U18109)
posted 59 seconds ago
The other way of looking at it is that there are now 2 extra spots for youth prospects to step into. Imagine if we had never given Harry Kane a chance? Now Devine/Scarlett/White have a chance to show they have what it takes to step up rather than Ndombele, Dele and Lo Celso showing they can’t perform how the manager wants.
We’ve definitely come out of the window stronger
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I admire your optimism but this just smacks of the same rose-tinted specs people had when they were trying to turn the signing of Frazer Campbell into a positive. I get where your coming from but if the only positive is a clearer path for the youngsters to evolve then we've had a bad window. Most kids don't make it. I think I've only ever seen maybe three examples of academy graduates coming through together to take the PL by storm and that's United's class of 1992, West Ham's Rio, Cole Lampard etc and the current Chelsea crop. It's rare. Most academy players drop down the leagues and find their level so to rely on them for a CL run in is just crazy.
posted on 1/2/22
If we take the on paper values we shifted nearly 200m worth of talent out and brought less than 100m in. Of course that's not a fair reflection of the context of who we moved and why, but yeah. 8 or 9 would be silly. Maybe if we'd got one of our (Conte's?) first pics I'd be more positive.
posted on 1/2/22
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posted on 1/2/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
For a January window I would give it an 8 or a 9, don't know when people started expecting this to be the time of year where you deal with the major problems in the squad
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8 or 9?
We don't expect the major surgery to start now but when you get rid of four creative midfielders, you expect a little creativity to come in its place, particularly when you have a crucial race going on for the top four between now and the summer. We haven't signed anyone in midfield that offers creativity at all. Bentancur is very much in the same mould as Skipp, PEH and Winks. Kulu is competing with Lucas and Bergwjin for the right sided forward role. We haven't sorted any of the crucial positions that needed looking at like RWB, centre half, creative midfielder or cover for Kane. None. To call this an 8 or 9 is just laughable.
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Kulusevski averaged more league assists per 90 this season for juventus than Ndombele, Dele or Lo Celso ever have done for us. He's a creative player but one thag Conte actually wants and will use. It's pretty obvious that Conte wants to play a 343 with a conservative midfield two, it's not like bentancur stopped us signing a creative central midfielder because Conte doesn't want that type of player.
You think clubs were queuing up to sell their champions league quality RWBs, CBs, and CFs in January? No, it's a terrible time to buy. That's why us getting any good business done should be seen as a huge success.
posted on 1/2/22
If a 10/10 is the best case scenario for a January window than I don't see how it's silly to call this an 8 or a 9. Do people think the best case scenario was us signing Lamptey, Bastoni and Vlahovic alongside the two we got? Because I hate to break it to you but that was never going to happen
posted on 1/2/22
If you ship out more players than you bring in and the quality isn't notably better, then yeah. I don't see how you've improved the squad. Granted we've set ourselves up for the summer by shifting some deadwood.. but it's not like the 2 unwanted midfielders were sold. We've likely just made a problem for the future there.
Kulusevski should've been a RWB. And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? We should've bought a similar quality defender and shifted a RB or Rodon
posted on 1/2/22
To those who it (bizarrely) isn’t obvious to. If you get rid of players who wouldn’t play anyway - it probably doesn’t matter. It has been very evident that Conte wants to play in a way that suits a Bentacur over a GLC.
posted on 1/2/22
Why does a players quality and availability ever directly correlate, bales?
posted on 1/2/22
Not sure I understand the question, Edin. Chris' point was that we did good business cos you can't sign the top players in Jan.. while saying that Kulusevski was a top creative player (better than what we had anyway).
posted on 1/2/22
We've massively improved the actual playing squad. Those players were not in the managers plans. We've gone from having 3 central midfielders and 3 wingers that the manager is happy using to 4 of each. I don't see how that isn't a plus.
"If he's so good why did they sell him" isn't really that compelling because clubs makes mistakes all the time.
It's easy to say that it "should have been a RB" but we've no idea who was available. Considering we wanted adama im sure we wanted to strengthen that position but then we're not happy with the other options available this window. Should we have just panic bought a player for the sake of it and got stuck with them on our books? I don't think so.
If we don't sign a RWB in the summer then nobody will be complaining more than me but I think people have frankly hilarious expectations for the January window
posted on 1/2/22
Sometimes decent players become available but it's not like clockwork - it's not that one from every position becomes available and you pick which one you need the most. A CM and a RW that Conte likes happened to become available towards the end of the window because juventus signed Vlahovic and we capitalised on that.
posted on 1/2/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
If you ship out more players than you bring in and the quality isn't notably better, then yeah. I don't see how you've improved the squad. Granted we've set ourselves up for the summer by shifting some deadwood.. but it's not like the 2 unwanted midfielders were sold. We've likely just made a problem for the future there.
Kulusevski should've been a RWB. And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? We should've bought a similar quality defender and shifted a RB or Rodon
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Salah and KDB were surplus at Chelsea. Jamie Vardy was playing non league football, Dele was at MK dons, Kane couldn’t score when away on his loans, Bales Spurs career started terribly.
Juventus are a footballing powerhouse with some of the best players in the world. Kulusevski had been kept out of the side by Chiesa. Juve who have widely reported financial issues, bought Vlahovic and Zakaria and desperately needed to balance the books - hence Ronaldo was let go in the summer and these two now
posted on 1/2/22
Fair enough. I'm not saying we've had a mare or anything. And if we'd actually sold them 2 I'd be right on board singing Paratici's praises.
posted on 1/2/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
Not sure I understand the question, Edin. Chris' point was that we did good business cos you can't sign the top players in Jan.. while saying that Kulusevski was a top creative player (better than what we had anyway).
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‘ And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? ‘.
My point is that a players availability and quality are not directly comparable. We have signed plenty of quality players quite easily who were very available.
posted on 1/2/22
I think other people addressed the point above.
Only thing you aim for in Jan is to improve the squad (which we have in terms of people who play) or to fix any urgent weaknesses. Which we don’t really have, while Emerson isn’t the best suited he is capable enough
posted on 1/2/22
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
Not sure I understand the question, Edin. Chris' point was that we did good business cos you can't sign the top players in Jan.. while saying that Kulusevski was a top creative player (better than what we had anyway).
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‘ And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? ‘.
My point is that a players availability and quality are not directly comparable. We have signed plenty of quality players quite easily who were very available.
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Not necessarily directly, no. But usually, yes. Supply and demand n all that. Diaz was available but demand saw us miss out.
Kulusevski was available but wasn't in such high demand.. logic tells you he's not as good as Diaz.
posted on 1/2/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
Not sure I understand the question, Edin. Chris' point was that we did good business cos you can't sign the top players in Jan.. while saying that Kulusevski was a top creative player (better than what we had anyway).
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‘ And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? ‘.
My point is that a players availability and quality are not directly comparable. We have signed plenty of quality players quite easily who were very available.
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Not necessarily directly, no. But usually, yes. Supply and demand n all that. Diaz was available but demand saw us miss out.
Kulusevski was available but wasn't in such high demand.. logic tells you he's not as good as Diaz.
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That’s correct for now, but doesn’t mean Kulu won’t be the better long term signing. The summer we bought Tanguy he was considered much better than JWP - but I know which I would rather have.
United sounded £70m on Sancho, Leeds spent less than half of that on Raphina.
The point is Kulusevski is 21 and has played semi regularly for Juventus as well as being a regular for his national side. We haven’t bought a complete no hoper, we have loaned a player with serious potential, who in 18 Mo this time we can send back if he is not up to it
posted on 1/2/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
Not sure I understand the question, Edin. Chris' point was that we did good business cos you can't sign the top players in Jan.. while saying that Kulusevski was a top creative player (better than what we had anyway).
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‘ And to your point above, Chris, if he's so good how come he was available? ‘.
My point is that a players availability and quality are not directly comparable. We have signed plenty of quality players quite easily who were very available.
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Not necessarily directly, no. But usually, yes. Supply and demand n all that. Diaz was available but demand saw us miss out.
Kulusevski was available but wasn't in such high demand.. logic tells you he's not as good as Diaz.
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not comparing the two as players but we were the only ones going for Eriksen when we signed him, so demand doesnt mean much
posted on 1/2/22
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think other people addressed the point above.
Only thing you aim for in Jan is to improve the squad (which we have in terms of people who play) or to fix any urgent weaknesses. Which we don’t really have, while Emerson isn’t the best suited he is capable enough
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Have we?
I'm not sure we have improved even the starting 11. The two we've signed we already have decent enough players that do exactly the same thing...
Bentancur > Winks, PEH, Skipp
Kulusevski > Lucas, Bergwijn
From the reviews I've read, the Juve fans are quite happy to get rid of them so all we've really done is signed cover for positions that are already well covered.
In the meantime we have Royal still stinking out the RWB slot, a left back in a left centre half role, no creative midfielder and no cover for Kane should he get injured. I don't know who's pulling the strings but if this is Paratici it absolutely stinks of reactive signings rather than thinking about what we really need. At around £50m for the pair, I don't know, they may turn out to be a bargain, but do we need them? No. It's about what the squad needs, not what bargain he can pull off.
I'm not happy with the squad, the sporting director or the ownership right now. Conte I'm yet to be convinced is 100% invested in this project. He's a good manager but if he's got one eye on leaving in the summer, forget it. I don't want to give him a penny. Why butcher a squad in the name of someone that doesn't really want to stick around?
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