Yes the camera angle during the replay wasn't great so it looked offside to me. No idea how they judge the angles but as long as it's consistent, I don't have an issue.
The TV replay then showed clearly that Jota was offside
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Well that's a wrong statement right from the start! The TV replay suggested he may be offside. He wasn't. No conspiracy.
The VAR uses unique cameras, some with high / very high frame rates, special software to draw the lines at angle accounting for camera angles and sync with pitch mics to get the correct timing of when exactly the ball is kicked for making offside calls.
No conspiracy I'm afraid.
Same as TOOR, the final angle they showed was again really tight too however just onside.
Further, not all the VAR cameras are part of the broadcast studio. I think EPL use 28 total iirc? Too many for a director to handle expediently. Think some setups use 33 and FIFA minimum is 4 though think most countries use minimum 8 again iirc?
It begs the question, how can we be sure that the images the people in the VAR office are providing are totally plausible and haven’t been tampered with?
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This has been a contention for a long time. Same as when they draw the line from the arm pit down?
These are arbitrary points and they decide to base a football game outcome on people in VAR decide based on what angle they have or quality picture they have...
It's totally shambolic and makes fans questions some of these points.
VAR can interfere sometimes and overrule a valid goal because during the build up, someone sneezed on a player, or sometimes, like yesterday Antonio smashed Dier in the face with an elbow, both the ref and VAR took no action?
VAR has just created favouritism in referees who manage from behind the cameras
They got the non penalty right too, good day for VAR.
Another for the OP
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10135251/World-Cup-2022-set-automated-offside-favoured-Arsene-Wenger.html
After it is implemented in the league who will we blame - the software writers?
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 minutes ago
The TV replay then showed clearly that Jota was offside
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Well that's a wrong statement right from the start! The TV replay suggested he may be offside. He wasn't. No conspiracy.
The VAR uses unique cameras, some with high / very high frame rates, special software to draw the lines at angle accounting for camera angles and sync with pitch mics to get the correct timing of when exactly the ball is kicked for making offside calls.
No conspiracy I'm afraid.
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Thanks for the clarification
comment by Prankster - Aka Stiffler (U22336)
posted 4 minutes ago
They got the non penalty right too, good day for VAR.
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Yep, totally agree about the penalty
I was just interested as to whether others had questioned the integrity of those who actually draw ‘those lines’?
Personally, I don’t like the idea of the game being run by robots, for all the possible human errors - I just prefer it that way
Jota was offside. Watch Lukaku's goal vs Liverpool in the league cup final... he was onside yet VAR said he was off to benefit Klopp + co. City are another team that get bailed out by VAR every week... their latest nonsense penalty vs Saints as proof of such.
Jota was clearly offside.
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 9 minutes ago
Jota was offside. Watch Lukaku's goal vs Liverpool in the league cup final... he was onside yet VAR said he was off to benefit Klopp + co. City are another team that get bailed out by VAR every week... their latest nonsense penalty vs Saints as proof of such.
Jota was clearly offside.
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No he wasn’t offside 😂 you would say that being a troll 😂
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 9 minutes ago
Jota was offside. Watch Lukaku's goal vs Liverpool in the league cup final... he was onside yet VAR said he was off to benefit Klopp + co. City are another team that get bailed out by VAR every week... their latest nonsense penalty vs Saints as proof of such.
Jota was clearly offside.
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No he wasn’t offside 😂 you would say that being a troll 😂
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How was Lukaku offside in the LC final but Jota was onside???
comment by Prankster - Aka Stiffler (U22336)
posted 27 minutes ago
They got the non penalty right too, good day for VAR.
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This it’s true. In real time thought defo pen but VAR showed he dragged his foot over the keepers leg to go dime. Great decision
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 9 minutes ago
Jota was offside. Watch Lukaku's goal vs Liverpool in the league cup final... he was onside yet VAR said he was off to benefit Klopp + co. City are another team that get bailed out by VAR every week... their latest nonsense penalty vs Saints as proof of such.
Jota was clearly offside.
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No he wasn’t offside 😂 you would say that being a troll 😂
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And not a very good one at that
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 9 minutes ago
Jota was offside. Watch Lukaku's goal vs Liverpool in the league cup final... he was onside yet VAR said he was off to benefit Klopp + co. City are another team that get bailed out by VAR every week... their latest nonsense penalty vs Saints as proof of such.
Jota was clearly offside.
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No he wasn’t offside 😂 you would say that being a troll 😂
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How was Lukaku offside in the LC final but Jota was onside???
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Stop bringing Lukaku into it. This discussion is about the Jota incident and it looks level.
In the tv replays Jota looks to be offside. In the VAR images it looks inconclusive to me (admittedly at my age my eyesight isn’t what it used to be).
If in doubt I would always call in favour of the attacking team.
For the penalty shout I’d say definitely no penalty.
I also thought the referee was the best we’ve had this season, Linos were poor though..
I thought it was a penalty also but obviously the replay cleared that up. Was surprised the referee didn't give it. Good spot if he spotted the trailing leg but more likely he thought that if it was a penalty, VAR would have corrected his decision.
The problem with this approach is that it leaves it open to VAR saying it wasn't a clear and obvious error, which I don't like. Regardless, correct decision.
VAR is awful - bloomin hate it. All it has done is move the errors from the pitch to the VAR studio. Players make mistakes, managers make mistakes and refs make mistakes - it's part of the game.
I don't believe in a conspiracy theory in favours of some teams over others though - just that VAR is ruining the free flowing game. Fans don't know whether to celebrate a goal any more.
As an aside, I thought Forest were excellent again yesterday and with better finishing could have forced extra time and maybe pens. If they come up, I reckon they could do pretty well.
Surely a lot of credit due to the officials who got the call right in both occassions?
I thought it was a clear pen and offside, replays showed otherwise.
Rule of thumb, if you agree with Culer you're probably wrong.
comment by For Fox Sake (U4263)
posted 17 minutes ago
VAR is awful - bloomin hate it. All it has done is move the errors from the pitch to the VAR studio. Players make mistakes, managers make mistakes and refs make mistakes - it's part of the game.
I don't believe in a conspiracy theory in favours of some teams over others though - just that VAR is ruining the free flowing game. Fans don't know whether to celebrate a goal any more.
As an aside, I thought Forest were excellent again yesterday and with better finishing could have forced extra time and maybe pens. If they come up, I reckon they could do pretty well.
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Well said mate
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 15 minutes ago
Surely a lot of credit due to the officials who got the call right in both occassions?
I thought it was a clear pen and offside, replays showed otherwise.
Rule of thumb, if you agree with Culer you're probably wrong.
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Why do you bully me
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 15 minutes ago
Surely a lot of credit due to the officials who got the call right in both occassions?
I thought it was a clear pen and offside, replays showed otherwise.
Rule of thumb, if you agree with Culer you're probably wrong.
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Why do you bully me
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You deserve it.
I'm not sure what commentary you were listening to but on ITV he called it inside immediately because he could see the VAR lines being drawn.
However, I do wish they'd just draw it from the feet. Done.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 31 minutes ago
I'm not sure what commentary you were listening to but on ITV he called it inside immediately because he could see the VAR lines being drawn.
However, I do wish they'd just draw it from the feet. Done.
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That’s not true - the commentator and his sidekick called it offside as soon as they saw the replay - Lee Dixon even said that will be disallowed once VAR has finished its findings…only then for VAR to come back with a different angle with lines on it showing onside
There was definitely disparity between what the ITV replay showed and what VAR showed
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posted on 21/3/22
Yes the camera angle during the replay wasn't great so it looked offside to me. No idea how they judge the angles but as long as it's consistent, I don't have an issue.
posted on 21/3/22
The TV replay then showed clearly that Jota was offside
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Well that's a wrong statement right from the start! The TV replay suggested he may be offside. He wasn't. No conspiracy.
The VAR uses unique cameras, some with high / very high frame rates, special software to draw the lines at angle accounting for camera angles and sync with pitch mics to get the correct timing of when exactly the ball is kicked for making offside calls.
No conspiracy I'm afraid.
posted on 21/3/22
Same as TOOR, the final angle they showed was again really tight too however just onside.
posted on 21/3/22
Further, not all the VAR cameras are part of the broadcast studio. I think EPL use 28 total iirc? Too many for a director to handle expediently. Think some setups use 33 and FIFA minimum is 4 though think most countries use minimum 8 again iirc?
posted on 21/3/22
It begs the question, how can we be sure that the images the people in the VAR office are providing are totally plausible and haven’t been tampered with?
==================
This has been a contention for a long time. Same as when they draw the line from the arm pit down?
These are arbitrary points and they decide to base a football game outcome on people in VAR decide based on what angle they have or quality picture they have...
It's totally shambolic and makes fans questions some of these points.
VAR can interfere sometimes and overrule a valid goal because during the build up, someone sneezed on a player, or sometimes, like yesterday Antonio smashed Dier in the face with an elbow, both the ref and VAR took no action?
VAR has just created favouritism in referees who manage from behind the cameras
posted on 21/3/22
They got the non penalty right too, good day for VAR.
posted on 21/3/22
Another for the OP
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10135251/World-Cup-2022-set-automated-offside-favoured-Arsene-Wenger.html
After it is implemented in the league who will we blame - the software writers?
posted on 21/3/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 minutes ago
The TV replay then showed clearly that Jota was offside
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Well that's a wrong statement right from the start! The TV replay suggested he may be offside. He wasn't. No conspiracy.
The VAR uses unique cameras, some with high / very high frame rates, special software to draw the lines at angle accounting for camera angles and sync with pitch mics to get the correct timing of when exactly the ball is kicked for making offside calls.
No conspiracy I'm afraid.
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Thanks for the clarification
posted on 21/3/22
comment by Prankster - Aka Stiffler (U22336)
posted 4 minutes ago
They got the non penalty right too, good day for VAR.
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Yep, totally agree about the penalty
I was just interested as to whether others had questioned the integrity of those who actually draw ‘those lines’?
posted on 21/3/22
Personally, I don’t like the idea of the game being run by robots, for all the possible human errors - I just prefer it that way
posted on 21/3/22
Jota was offside. Watch Lukaku's goal vs Liverpool in the league cup final... he was onside yet VAR said he was off to benefit Klopp + co. City are another team that get bailed out by VAR every week... their latest nonsense penalty vs Saints as proof of such.
Jota was clearly offside.
posted on 21/3/22
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 9 minutes ago
Jota was offside. Watch Lukaku's goal vs Liverpool in the league cup final... he was onside yet VAR said he was off to benefit Klopp + co. City are another team that get bailed out by VAR every week... their latest nonsense penalty vs Saints as proof of such.
Jota was clearly offside.
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No he wasn’t offside 😂 you would say that being a troll 😂
posted on 21/3/22
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 9 minutes ago
Jota was offside. Watch Lukaku's goal vs Liverpool in the league cup final... he was onside yet VAR said he was off to benefit Klopp + co. City are another team that get bailed out by VAR every week... their latest nonsense penalty vs Saints as proof of such.
Jota was clearly offside.
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No he wasn’t offside 😂 you would say that being a troll 😂
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How was Lukaku offside in the LC final but Jota was onside???
posted on 21/3/22
comment by Prankster - Aka Stiffler (U22336)
posted 27 minutes ago
They got the non penalty right too, good day for VAR.
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This it’s true. In real time thought defo pen but VAR showed he dragged his foot over the keepers leg to go dime. Great decision
posted on 21/3/22
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 9 minutes ago
Jota was offside. Watch Lukaku's goal vs Liverpool in the league cup final... he was onside yet VAR said he was off to benefit Klopp + co. City are another team that get bailed out by VAR every week... their latest nonsense penalty vs Saints as proof of such.
Jota was clearly offside.
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No he wasn’t offside 😂 you would say that being a troll 😂
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And not a very good one at that
posted on 21/3/22
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 9 minutes ago
Jota was offside. Watch Lukaku's goal vs Liverpool in the league cup final... he was onside yet VAR said he was off to benefit Klopp + co. City are another team that get bailed out by VAR every week... their latest nonsense penalty vs Saints as proof of such.
Jota was clearly offside.
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No he wasn’t offside 😂 you would say that being a troll 😂
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How was Lukaku offside in the LC final but Jota was onside???
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Stop bringing Lukaku into it. This discussion is about the Jota incident and it looks level.
posted on 21/3/22
In the tv replays Jota looks to be offside. In the VAR images it looks inconclusive to me (admittedly at my age my eyesight isn’t what it used to be).
If in doubt I would always call in favour of the attacking team.
For the penalty shout I’d say definitely no penalty.
I also thought the referee was the best we’ve had this season, Linos were poor though..
posted on 21/3/22
I thought it was a penalty also but obviously the replay cleared that up. Was surprised the referee didn't give it. Good spot if he spotted the trailing leg but more likely he thought that if it was a penalty, VAR would have corrected his decision.
The problem with this approach is that it leaves it open to VAR saying it wasn't a clear and obvious error, which I don't like. Regardless, correct decision.
posted on 21/3/22
VAR is awful - bloomin hate it. All it has done is move the errors from the pitch to the VAR studio. Players make mistakes, managers make mistakes and refs make mistakes - it's part of the game.
I don't believe in a conspiracy theory in favours of some teams over others though - just that VAR is ruining the free flowing game. Fans don't know whether to celebrate a goal any more.
As an aside, I thought Forest were excellent again yesterday and with better finishing could have forced extra time and maybe pens. If they come up, I reckon they could do pretty well.
posted on 21/3/22
Surely a lot of credit due to the officials who got the call right in both occassions?
I thought it was a clear pen and offside, replays showed otherwise.
Rule of thumb, if you agree with Culer you're probably wrong.
posted on 21/3/22
comment by For Fox Sake (U4263)
posted 17 minutes ago
VAR is awful - bloomin hate it. All it has done is move the errors from the pitch to the VAR studio. Players make mistakes, managers make mistakes and refs make mistakes - it's part of the game.
I don't believe in a conspiracy theory in favours of some teams over others though - just that VAR is ruining the free flowing game. Fans don't know whether to celebrate a goal any more.
As an aside, I thought Forest were excellent again yesterday and with better finishing could have forced extra time and maybe pens. If they come up, I reckon they could do pretty well.
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Well said mate
posted on 21/3/22
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 15 minutes ago
Surely a lot of credit due to the officials who got the call right in both occassions?
I thought it was a clear pen and offside, replays showed otherwise.
Rule of thumb, if you agree with Culer you're probably wrong.
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Why do you bully me
posted on 21/3/22
comment by Culèr The Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 15 minutes ago
Surely a lot of credit due to the officials who got the call right in both occassions?
I thought it was a clear pen and offside, replays showed otherwise.
Rule of thumb, if you agree with Culer you're probably wrong.
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Why do you bully me
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You deserve it.
posted on 21/3/22
I'm not sure what commentary you were listening to but on ITV he called it inside immediately because he could see the VAR lines being drawn.
However, I do wish they'd just draw it from the feet. Done.
posted on 21/3/22
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 31 minutes ago
I'm not sure what commentary you were listening to but on ITV he called it inside immediately because he could see the VAR lines being drawn.
However, I do wish they'd just draw it from the feet. Done.
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That’s not true - the commentator and his sidekick called it offside as soon as they saw the replay - Lee Dixon even said that will be disallowed once VAR has finished its findings…only then for VAR to come back with a different angle with lines on it showing onside
There was definitely disparity between what the ITV replay showed and what VAR showed
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