Presumably we all agreed in the end on this one right. No way anybody could suggest this is fair.
comment by Cinciwolf---Top seven, guaranteed! (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Presumably we all agreed in the end on this one right. No way anybody could suggest this is fair.
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Its ridiculous and to be fair I don't see too many people supporting their inclusion in women's events.
This guy is just pulling a scam in order to get girls I think.
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
This guy is just pulling a scam in order to get girls I think.
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Of course they are.
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 24 minutes ago
This guy is just pulling a scam in order to get girls I think.
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Takes some balls that
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
Getting a gender recognition cert has major hoops to jump through.
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Looking at him and then looking at the requirements for a cert, I don't see how he could be granted it.
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Yes, that's the point. That's the current rules and those aren't what the debate is about.
You specifically mentioned self-ID, which is the official policy of a numerous political parties and has been Stonewall's main focus since gay marriage happened. As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so. A few US states as well as Canada have adopted this policy, unsurprisingly leading to a lot of predatory men abusing it.
It's also happened in UK prisons, "Karen White" being the most notable example.
You can say "Don't believe social media" all you like, but when it's the actual organisations telling me what they want then I'm going to believe it.
Karen White was down to incompetence and mistakes in the system. He should have been in jail much earlier after committing rapes and not getting charged. The only way he beat the system was due to mistakes, negligence and arrogance of the justice system. They even apologised for allowing it to happen and that whole situation proves my point. If the checks and qualifications were observed, he would have never made it into a women's prison despite his claims to being a woman. He was a paedo too in addition to a lot of other creepy stuff.
Cases like White are the exception, not the rule but people who rely on social media are subject to manipulation of their opinions when its made to look like its happening all over the place. It isn't.
You specifically mentioned self-ID, which is the official policy of a numerous political parties and has been Stonewall's main focus since gay marriage happened.
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I don't think you understand what self ID means, or have been made to believe it is something different from what it is by social media.
As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so.
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Not true mate. You've been duped.
A few US states as well as Canada have adopted this policy, unsurprisingly leading to a lot of predatory men abusing it.
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So if a lot of men are abusing it how many examples can you give? A handful of people managing to beat a new system that is still being ironed out doesn't mean we should throw it in the rubbish bin.
Whatever your view, the fact is people are having gender changes, whether you agree with it or not, and a person who has undergone all the changes cannot be put in a prison with the "opposite" gender without endangering their lives and making their life a living hell. Balance that against a few criminals duping the system and its clear the system should be improved, not abolished. These isolated cases are disgusting but being used for scaremongering.
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so.
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Not true mate. You've been duped.
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He's literally on their website where he's referred to as a woman: https://www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group
If you don't believe Stonewall's own website about their own policy then what am I supposed to do?
To be honest I think I'm right in my assessment that you're just a troll, possibly even a right-wing one. You refused to acknowledge Mridul Wadhwa's own words and now you're refusing to acknowledge Stonewall's own policy.
There's plenty of evidence for the disaster that self-ID has been around the world, but your attitude to any source that doesn't fit your narrative has just been "nuh-uh", so what's the point?
Stick to the debate, no need to start personal stuff and calling me a troll because i disagree with stuff.
I wasn't taking about Stonewall, I was talking about Strugeon and the political class advocating for self ID. What they advocate isn't what you seem to be talking about. No one will change their gender because they said so, there will be hoops.
There's plenty of evidence for the disaster that self-ID has been around the world, but your attitude to any source that doesn't fit your narrative has just been "nuh-uh", so what's the point?
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I've explained my points and provided examples where possible. I don't know where this is coming from.
The criminal justice system is quite ancient, but the transgender system is new and unpolished, yet there's innocent people in jails because no system is perfect no matter how old. What next? Will you be calling for the abolishment of the criminal justice system because it puts a few innocent people in jail and has failed to stop crime?
These loopholes and mistakes exploited by two or three people are not evidence that its a disaster, they are an ever present characteristic of human endeavours which cannot be perfect.
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 20 minutes ago
Stick to the debate, no need to start personal stuff and calling me a troll because i disagree with stuff.
I wasn't taking about Stonewall, I was talking about Strugeon and the political class advocating for self ID. What they advocate isn't what you seem to be talking about. No one will change their gender because they said so, there will be hoops.
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It's not personal to call a troll a troll, especially if they're trolling.
The part I directly quoted from you was:
Me - "As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so."
You - "Not true mate. You've been duped."
So yes, you were talking about Stonewall. You directly replied "not true" to the part where I made a claim about Stonewall. Now that I've shown that it very much is true with irrefutable evidence, you're claiming you weren't talking about Stonewall.
You know gaslighting doesn't work in text, right? The evidence is literally written down a few comments above. You can't claim to have said something different when it's still written down for all to see.
The part I directly quoted from you was:
Me - "As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so."
You - "Not true mate. You've been duped."
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Only because I've addressed the point in other posts and don't want to repeat myself.
I'm not sure you know what trolling is tbh.
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 8 hours, 55 minutes ago
The part I directly quoted from you was:
Me - "As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so."
You - "Not true mate. You've been duped."
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Only because I've addressed the point in other posts and don't want to repeat myself.
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Mamba he officially stonewall though mate
These people are crazy.
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Seems apt https://youtu.be/URz-RYEOaig
Sizzle got ace’s article banned, admin gone woke
Was on Ace’s article earlier
Why did it get pulled ?
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
Was on Ace’s article earlier
Why did it get pulled ?
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Fack knows mate, apparently some topics aren’t allowed to be discussed if they offend a far left minority.
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comment by Gaffer Pranks - Suck On Deeeeeeez Nuts (U22336)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
Was on Ace’s article earlier
Why did it get pulled ?
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Fack knows mate, apparently some topics aren’t allowed to be discussed if they offend a far left minority.
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It clearly wasn’t anything to do with any sensible discussion of the topic as specified in the article title, was it?
To take a wild guess, I’d say it was more than likely the raft of transphobic slurs posted by multiple users on the thread.
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Gaffer Pranks - Suck On Deeeeeeez Nuts (U22336)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
Was on Ace’s article earlier
Why did it get pulled ?
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Fack knows mate, apparently some topics aren’t allowed to be discussed if they offend a far left minority.
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It clearly wasn’t anything to do with any sensible discussion of the topic as specified in the article title, was it?
To take a wild guess, I’d say it was more than likely the raft of transphobic slurs posted by multiple users on the thread.
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Transphobic because they agree with the ruling
I suppose you don’t agree
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posted on 10/4/22
Presumably we all agreed in the end on this one right. No way anybody could suggest this is fair.
posted on 10/4/22
comment by Cinciwolf---Top seven, guaranteed! (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Presumably we all agreed in the end on this one right. No way anybody could suggest this is fair.
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Its ridiculous and to be fair I don't see too many people supporting their inclusion in women's events.
posted on 10/4/22
This guy is just pulling a scam in order to get girls I think.
posted on 10/4/22
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
This guy is just pulling a scam in order to get girls I think.
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Of course they are.
posted on 10/4/22
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 24 minutes ago
This guy is just pulling a scam in order to get girls I think.
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Takes some balls that
posted on 10/4/22
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
Getting a gender recognition cert has major hoops to jump through.
=====
Looking at him and then looking at the requirements for a cert, I don't see how he could be granted it.
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Yes, that's the point. That's the current rules and those aren't what the debate is about.
You specifically mentioned self-ID, which is the official policy of a numerous political parties and has been Stonewall's main focus since gay marriage happened. As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so. A few US states as well as Canada have adopted this policy, unsurprisingly leading to a lot of predatory men abusing it.
It's also happened in UK prisons, "Karen White" being the most notable example.
You can say "Don't believe social media" all you like, but when it's the actual organisations telling me what they want then I'm going to believe it.
posted on 10/4/22
Karen White was down to incompetence and mistakes in the system. He should have been in jail much earlier after committing rapes and not getting charged. The only way he beat the system was due to mistakes, negligence and arrogance of the justice system. They even apologised for allowing it to happen and that whole situation proves my point. If the checks and qualifications were observed, he would have never made it into a women's prison despite his claims to being a woman. He was a paedo too in addition to a lot of other creepy stuff.
Cases like White are the exception, not the rule but people who rely on social media are subject to manipulation of their opinions when its made to look like its happening all over the place. It isn't.
posted on 10/4/22
You specifically mentioned self-ID, which is the official policy of a numerous political parties and has been Stonewall's main focus since gay marriage happened.
=====
I don't think you understand what self ID means, or have been made to believe it is something different from what it is by social media.
posted on 10/4/22
As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so.
=====
Not true mate. You've been duped.
posted on 10/4/22
A few US states as well as Canada have adopted this policy, unsurprisingly leading to a lot of predatory men abusing it.
=====
So if a lot of men are abusing it how many examples can you give? A handful of people managing to beat a new system that is still being ironed out doesn't mean we should throw it in the rubbish bin.
Whatever your view, the fact is people are having gender changes, whether you agree with it or not, and a person who has undergone all the changes cannot be put in a prison with the "opposite" gender without endangering their lives and making their life a living hell. Balance that against a few criminals duping the system and its clear the system should be improved, not abolished. These isolated cases are disgusting but being used for scaremongering.
posted on 10/4/22
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so.
=====
Not true mate. You've been duped.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's literally on their website where he's referred to as a woman: https://www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group
If you don't believe Stonewall's own website about their own policy then what am I supposed to do?
To be honest I think I'm right in my assessment that you're just a troll, possibly even a right-wing one. You refused to acknowledge Mridul Wadhwa's own words and now you're refusing to acknowledge Stonewall's own policy.
There's plenty of evidence for the disaster that self-ID has been around the world, but your attitude to any source that doesn't fit your narrative has just been "nuh-uh", so what's the point?
posted on 10/4/22
Stick to the debate, no need to start personal stuff and calling me a troll because i disagree with stuff.
I wasn't taking about Stonewall, I was talking about Strugeon and the political class advocating for self ID. What they advocate isn't what you seem to be talking about. No one will change their gender because they said so, there will be hoops.
posted on 10/4/22
There's plenty of evidence for the disaster that self-ID has been around the world, but your attitude to any source that doesn't fit your narrative has just been "nuh-uh", so what's the point?
=====
I've explained my points and provided examples where possible. I don't know where this is coming from.
The criminal justice system is quite ancient, but the transgender system is new and unpolished, yet there's innocent people in jails because no system is perfect no matter how old. What next? Will you be calling for the abolishment of the criminal justice system because it puts a few innocent people in jail and has failed to stop crime?
These loopholes and mistakes exploited by two or three people are not evidence that its a disaster, they are an ever present characteristic of human endeavours which cannot be perfect.
posted on 10/4/22
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 20 minutes ago
Stick to the debate, no need to start personal stuff and calling me a troll because i disagree with stuff.
I wasn't taking about Stonewall, I was talking about Strugeon and the political class advocating for self ID. What they advocate isn't what you seem to be talking about. No one will change their gender because they said so, there will be hoops.
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It's not personal to call a troll a troll, especially if they're trolling.
The part I directly quoted from you was:
Me - "As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so."
You - "Not true mate. You've been duped."
So yes, you were talking about Stonewall. You directly replied "not true" to the part where I made a claim about Stonewall. Now that I've shown that it very much is true with irrefutable evidence, you're claiming you weren't talking about Stonewall.
You know gaslighting doesn't work in text, right? The evidence is literally written down a few comments above. You can't claim to have said something different when it's still written down for all to see.
posted on 10/4/22
The part I directly quoted from you was:
Me - "As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so."
You - "Not true mate. You've been duped."
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Only because I've addressed the point in other posts and don't want to repeat myself.
posted on 10/4/22
I'm not sure you know what trolling is tbh.
posted on 11/4/22
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 8 hours, 55 minutes ago
The part I directly quoted from you was:
Me - "As I said he's officially in Stonewall - this is exactly the situation they're lobbing for - for Alex Drummond to legally be a woman just because he says so."
You - "Not true mate. You've been duped."
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Only because I've addressed the point in other posts and don't want to repeat myself.
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Mamba he officially stonewall though mate
These people are crazy.
posted on 19/6/22
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posted on 19/6/22
Seems apt https://youtu.be/URz-RYEOaig
posted on 19/6/22
Sizzle got ace’s article banned, admin gone woke
posted on 19/6/22
Was on Ace’s article earlier
Why did it get pulled ?
posted on 19/6/22
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
Was on Ace’s article earlier
Why did it get pulled ?
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Fack knows mate, apparently some topics aren’t allowed to be discussed if they offend a far left minority.
posted on 19/6/22
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posted on 19/6/22
comment by Gaffer Pranks - Suck On Deeeeeeez Nuts (U22336)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
Was on Ace’s article earlier
Why did it get pulled ?
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Fack knows mate, apparently some topics aren’t allowed to be discussed if they offend a far left minority.
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It clearly wasn’t anything to do with any sensible discussion of the topic as specified in the article title, was it?
To take a wild guess, I’d say it was more than likely the raft of transphobic slurs posted by multiple users on the thread.
posted on 19/6/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Gaffer Pranks - Suck On Deeeeeeez Nuts (U22336)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
Was on Ace’s article earlier
Why did it get pulled ?
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Fack knows mate, apparently some topics aren’t allowed to be discussed if they offend a far left minority.
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It clearly wasn’t anything to do with any sensible discussion of the topic as specified in the article title, was it?
To take a wild guess, I’d say it was more than likely the raft of transphobic slurs posted by multiple users on the thread.
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Transphobic because they agree with the ruling
I suppose you don’t agree
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