Everyone who posts on this site are proper fans, why would they be here if they weren’t ?
There is a difference between Forest relegation to league 1 as it was the end of a long spell of steady decline that started with the David Platt years and it’s understandable to an extent fans would drift away from match days. While Derby is a stark contrast between being playoff contenders, the money drying up and about a third of the fans evaporating over night!
I am not yet convinced Derby are down, goal difference plus Reading having a tough looking run in means it’s still possible. But if they do go down sure they will bounce back strong, this rivalry is too good to end like this
Interesting maths there: "about a third of the fans evaporating overnight".
Currently Derby are averaging 22,635 at home this season, the third highest in the Championship behind Sheff United and Forest. These are great attendances when you consider that relegation was anticipated from the start (even before the 21 points deduction, I said on here that I thought we would be relegated, and I am an optimistic chap as a rule). For what Bunky says to have been remotely true then the average prior to this season would have needed to have been in excess of the capacity of the ground. Our support over the last 10 seasons or so has been excellent, but not quite that good. But hey, feel free to make stuff up if it makes you feel better.
I thought Mels ground held about 30K? So 22k is not far off a third! I did say about 😉
The capacity of the ground is not the same as the number of fans who attend regularly though. The City Ground holds more than 30K I think. So does that mean that 20% of Forest's support has evaporated this season, if the average is 26K?
vidal, you are a poster I’ve known and shared with (albeit sporadically from a rival team’s perspective) since the old BBC606 site - and one I’ve always found fairly rational and reasonable through debate - the poster I’ve missed off your site is MojacRam - I always got on well with him, and it’s a loss he doesn’t post anymore
But I wish you well mate, and although your team now looks almost certain form relegation, I have no doubt with the right support from the owner (whoever that will be) and with the backing your supporters will undoubtedly give, I believe you’ll be back sooner rather than later
You are indeed a ‘proper supporter’
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
The capacity of the ground is not the same as the number of fans who attend regularly though. The City Ground holds more than 30K I think. So does that mean that 20% of Forest's support has evaporated this season, if the average is 26K?
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2016 and 2017 you averaged over 29k, so not exactly a third if we are breaking out the scientific calculators but more or less
Our capacity is just over 30k but never get there for safety reasons, yours btw is 33k.
Not to labour the point, but you said “evaporated overnight”. Overnight isn’t quite the same as several years ago. To have maintained such great attendances in the face of the utter disaster that has been going on with our club is testament not just to the loyalty of the hardcore support but also shows that the majority of our fans appreciate the efforts of all involved in keeping the fight going for as long as this.
Well I wasn’t including the COVID years of course but to be honest I had know the approx 29k historically and assumed it was slightly more recent!
But if you take last full season before covid it’s still around a 20% reduction. At a time when we had been starved of live sporting events and the nation desperate to get back to normality you would think people in Derby would jump at the chance to watch football again!
Yes, and many have, which is why the attendances have been so good despite the awfulness of the state of the club.
Not sure many would consider a decline of a 7000 people over 5 years good and only filling Mel’s stadium by about 60% doesn’t feel like something to celebrate!
But fair play Vidal for looking at the positives
It will be interesting to see if Morris comes good over the stadium.
I'm looking forward to seeing Derby in League One, literally!.
If Rooney stays in the job, he will be very close to the home fans when he turns up at Forest Green!
I'm looking forward to this with great relish!
Well, these things are all relative of course. In 2012/13 Derby averaged 23K, and in 2013/14 24K. So it depends on what you compare it to. In 2015/16 Forest averaged only 19K in the Championship, in a season where you finished 16th, so it could be argued that our support has held up rather better than yours in a bad season. Forest's great run of form lately has seen a lot more people turning up at the City Ground which has bumped up the average to 26K over the season. There have been attendances of 29K recently. So I suppose the question might be asked about where these 10,000 extra fans were back in 2015/16.
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, these things are all relative of course. In 2012/13 Derby averaged 23K, and in 2013/14 24K. So it depends on what you compare it to. In 2015/16 Forest averaged only 19K in the Championship, in a season where you finished 16th, so it could be argued that our support has held up rather better than yours in a bad season. Forest's great run of form lately has seen a lot more people turning up at the City Ground which has bumped up the average to 26K over the season. There have been attendances of 29K recently. So I suppose the question might be asked about where these 10,000 extra fans were back in 2015/16.
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I was being polite, View. This had unexpectedly turned into quite a civilised thread, and then Bunky decided to try to score a cheap point. I don't think he agrees with his fellow posters being nice, consorting with the enemy and that. Fair enough.
In my original post I said that I believed everyone on this platform are “proper” fans so pushing against earlier suggestions that derby weren’t proper! Also I said I think you can still stay up as goal difference plus reading run in meant it’s not over!
Not sure it’s possible to be nicer 🤣🤣🤣
I don’t see you as an enemy, not particularly enjoying your current plight as doesn’t fit with my own values on what sport should be! Punishment don’t fit the crime if that makes sense.
comment by ViewFromCroxteth - FECK the EFL (U1581)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, these things are all relative of course. In 2012/13 Derby averaged 23K, and in 2013/14 24K. So it depends on what you compare it to. In 2015/16 Forest averaged only 19K in the Championship, in a season where you finished 16th, so it could be argued that our support has held up rather better than yours in a bad season. Forest's great run of form lately has seen a lot more people turning up at the City Ground which has bumped up the average to 26K over the season. There have been attendances of 29K recently. So I suppose the question might be asked about where these 10,000 extra fans were back in 2015/16.
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No need to lower the tone View
As vidal was saying, it’s been pretty amicable so far
The reason I made this post was because Derby fans constantly claimed that being the worst team in history wasn’t embarrassing, and that being in league one was worse. Well now they are likely to find out if that is true.
Somehow, Derby fans can never admit anything is bad or shameful. Being relegated for cheating, that’s fine. Being the worst team in English football history, fine too. Having your players involved in a drink drive accident and then running away, also fine.
Now, having gone on about attendances for years, it’s ok that when you are not doing well, you have a huge drop in fans going to the games. Despite having. Slagged off Forest for a similar effect. Of course, that is also not a negative in anyway somehow.
What would it actually take for a Derby fan to accept things might have not gone so well?
comment by reds_are_everywhere (U9547)
posted 38 minutes ago
The reason I made this post was because Derby fans constantly claimed that being the worst team in history wasn’t embarrassing, and that being in league one was worse. Well now they are likely to find out if that is true.
Somehow, Derby fans can never admit anything is bad or shameful. Being relegated for cheating, that’s fine. Being the worst team in English football history, fine too. Having your players involved in a drink drive accident and then running away, also fine.
Now, having gone on about attendances for years, it’s ok that when you are not doing well, you have a huge drop in fans going to the games. Despite having. Slagged off Forest for a similar effect. Of course, that is also not a negative in anyway somehow.
What would it actually take for a Derby fan to accept things might have not gone so well?
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Yeah, but my dad's bigger than your dad.
Strange air about this thread - similar to what I’ve seen on Twitter and other social media.
Notts Florest are having their best season in 23 years (?). They stand on the brink of the premier league for the first time since May 1999 😳 and having been the first Euro winners to drop into the 3rd tier of their national leagues (on form) for ever.
They’ve got a good manager, crowds are back, good playing style, happy fans and…….
….they still seem to want to talk about their more illustrious and preferred neighbours from down the 52.
It’s not right, in fact it’s downright weird and I personally don’t get it .
Enjoy your season Dogs, we’re worried but we’re fine but if you want to obsess about us - as you are - make it constructive or objective? Eh?
Things are bad, really bad, in fact, I don't think they could
Get any worse.
Oh wait, I could be a red dog.
That's worse than anything we are going through.
There is a god!!!!
You just don't get it, reds_are_everywhere, though some of your fellows do. Of course it has been an utter and complete disaster, who is denying that? None of it is fine. It won't stop me being a fan. What kind of person would I be if it did? Despite everything, there has been a lot to be proud of this season. The fact that you can't quite get your head around it doesn't make it any less true. But your obsession with Derby County and how you think its fans ought to be feeling is, frankly, a bit weird.
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 4 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by reds_are_everywhere (U9547)
posted 38 minutes ago
The reason I made this post was because Derby fans constantly claimed that being the worst team in history wasn’t embarrassing, and that being in league one was worse. Well now they are likely to find out if that is true.
Somehow, Derby fans can never admit anything is bad or shameful. Being relegated for cheating, that’s fine. Being the worst team in English football history, fine too. Having your players involved in a drink drive accident and then running away, also fine.
Now, having gone on about attendances for years, it’s ok that when you are not doing well, you have a huge drop in fans going to the games. Despite having. Slagged off Forest for a similar effect. Of course, that is also not a negative in anyway somehow.
What would it actually take for a Derby fan to accept things might have not gone so well?
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Yeah, but my dad's bigger than your dad.
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Jim Royle?
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
You just don't get it, reds_are_everywhere, though some of your fellows do. Of course it has been an utter and complete disaster, who is denying that? None of it is fine. It won't stop me being a fan. What kind of person would I be if it did? Despite everything, there has been a lot to be proud of this season. The fact that you can't quite get your head around it doesn't make it any less true. But your obsession with Derby County and how you think its fans ought to be feeling is, frankly, a bit weird.
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Reds...I couldn't agree more and Vidal just proved your point.
They are incapable of responding to points in a comment and pluck a response from a singular example to prove a point. They seem incapable of being anything but sanctimonious.
Vidal maybe higher up on the Bristol chart, but he's still a stool.
The only hope they have, is that we mess up and they can have the last laugh at the end of May. Trust me, that is all they are clinging to.
We've seen it a million times before, they'll be all over our comment section and when we rarely venture onto the virtual A52 they will delete ours. Spineless.
Not long to go now Reds, with any luck they will be relegated this time next week.
comment by Morninchile (U18154)
............ they'll be all over our comment section and when we rarely venture onto the virtual A52 they will delete ours. Spineless.
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OMFG.
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It’s true….View of late has had a meltdown - he just deletes anyone and everyone who dares to come onto his match thread and doesn’t support his Derby perspective
It seem banter, debate, interaction with those across the footballing spectrum has all but disappeared from his mindset unless you toe the party line
I think this season has finally tipped him over the edge
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posted on 10/4/22
Everyone who posts on this site are proper fans, why would they be here if they weren’t ?
There is a difference between Forest relegation to league 1 as it was the end of a long spell of steady decline that started with the David Platt years and it’s understandable to an extent fans would drift away from match days. While Derby is a stark contrast between being playoff contenders, the money drying up and about a third of the fans evaporating over night!
I am not yet convinced Derby are down, goal difference plus Reading having a tough looking run in means it’s still possible. But if they do go down sure they will bounce back strong, this rivalry is too good to end like this
posted on 10/4/22
Interesting maths there: "about a third of the fans evaporating overnight".
Currently Derby are averaging 22,635 at home this season, the third highest in the Championship behind Sheff United and Forest. These are great attendances when you consider that relegation was anticipated from the start (even before the 21 points deduction, I said on here that I thought we would be relegated, and I am an optimistic chap as a rule). For what Bunky says to have been remotely true then the average prior to this season would have needed to have been in excess of the capacity of the ground. Our support over the last 10 seasons or so has been excellent, but not quite that good. But hey, feel free to make stuff up if it makes you feel better.
posted on 10/4/22
I thought Mels ground held about 30K? So 22k is not far off a third! I did say about 😉
posted on 10/4/22
The capacity of the ground is not the same as the number of fans who attend regularly though. The City Ground holds more than 30K I think. So does that mean that 20% of Forest's support has evaporated this season, if the average is 26K?
posted on 11/4/22
vidal, you are a poster I’ve known and shared with (albeit sporadically from a rival team’s perspective) since the old BBC606 site - and one I’ve always found fairly rational and reasonable through debate - the poster I’ve missed off your site is MojacRam - I always got on well with him, and it’s a loss he doesn’t post anymore
But I wish you well mate, and although your team now looks almost certain form relegation, I have no doubt with the right support from the owner (whoever that will be) and with the backing your supporters will undoubtedly give, I believe you’ll be back sooner rather than later
You are indeed a ‘proper supporter’
posted on 11/4/22
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
The capacity of the ground is not the same as the number of fans who attend regularly though. The City Ground holds more than 30K I think. So does that mean that 20% of Forest's support has evaporated this season, if the average is 26K?
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2016 and 2017 you averaged over 29k, so not exactly a third if we are breaking out the scientific calculators but more or less
Our capacity is just over 30k but never get there for safety reasons, yours btw is 33k.
posted on 11/4/22
Not to labour the point, but you said “evaporated overnight”. Overnight isn’t quite the same as several years ago. To have maintained such great attendances in the face of the utter disaster that has been going on with our club is testament not just to the loyalty of the hardcore support but also shows that the majority of our fans appreciate the efforts of all involved in keeping the fight going for as long as this.
posted on 11/4/22
Well I wasn’t including the COVID years of course but to be honest I had know the approx 29k historically and assumed it was slightly more recent!
But if you take last full season before covid it’s still around a 20% reduction. At a time when we had been starved of live sporting events and the nation desperate to get back to normality you would think people in Derby would jump at the chance to watch football again!
posted on 11/4/22
Yes, and many have, which is why the attendances have been so good despite the awfulness of the state of the club.
posted on 11/4/22
Not sure many would consider a decline of a 7000 people over 5 years good and only filling Mel’s stadium by about 60% doesn’t feel like something to celebrate!
But fair play Vidal for looking at the positives
posted on 11/4/22
It will be interesting to see if Morris comes good over the stadium.
I'm looking forward to seeing Derby in League One, literally!.
If Rooney stays in the job, he will be very close to the home fans when he turns up at Forest Green!
I'm looking forward to this with great relish!
posted on 11/4/22
Well, these things are all relative of course. In 2012/13 Derby averaged 23K, and in 2013/14 24K. So it depends on what you compare it to. In 2015/16 Forest averaged only 19K in the Championship, in a season where you finished 16th, so it could be argued that our support has held up rather better than yours in a bad season. Forest's great run of form lately has seen a lot more people turning up at the City Ground which has bumped up the average to 26K over the season. There have been attendances of 29K recently. So I suppose the question might be asked about where these 10,000 extra fans were back in 2015/16.
posted on 11/4/22
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, these things are all relative of course. In 2012/13 Derby averaged 23K, and in 2013/14 24K. So it depends on what you compare it to. In 2015/16 Forest averaged only 19K in the Championship, in a season where you finished 16th, so it could be argued that our support has held up rather better than yours in a bad season. Forest's great run of form lately has seen a lot more people turning up at the City Ground which has bumped up the average to 26K over the season. There have been attendances of 29K recently. So I suppose the question might be asked about where these 10,000 extra fans were back in 2015/16.
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As in:
“Where were you when you were 5hit?”
posted on 11/4/22
I was being polite, View. This had unexpectedly turned into quite a civilised thread, and then Bunky decided to try to score a cheap point. I don't think he agrees with his fellow posters being nice, consorting with the enemy and that. Fair enough.
posted on 11/4/22
In my original post I said that I believed everyone on this platform are “proper” fans so pushing against earlier suggestions that derby weren’t proper! Also I said I think you can still stay up as goal difference plus reading run in meant it’s not over!
Not sure it’s possible to be nicer 🤣🤣🤣
I don’t see you as an enemy, not particularly enjoying your current plight as doesn’t fit with my own values on what sport should be! Punishment don’t fit the crime if that makes sense.
posted on 11/4/22
comment by ViewFromCroxteth - FECK the EFL (U1581)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, these things are all relative of course. In 2012/13 Derby averaged 23K, and in 2013/14 24K. So it depends on what you compare it to. In 2015/16 Forest averaged only 19K in the Championship, in a season where you finished 16th, so it could be argued that our support has held up rather better than yours in a bad season. Forest's great run of form lately has seen a lot more people turning up at the City Ground which has bumped up the average to 26K over the season. There have been attendances of 29K recently. So I suppose the question might be asked about where these 10,000 extra fans were back in 2015/16.
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As in:
“Where were you when you were 5hit?”
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No need to lower the tone View
As vidal was saying, it’s been pretty amicable so far
posted on 11/4/22
The reason I made this post was because Derby fans constantly claimed that being the worst team in history wasn’t embarrassing, and that being in league one was worse. Well now they are likely to find out if that is true.
Somehow, Derby fans can never admit anything is bad or shameful. Being relegated for cheating, that’s fine. Being the worst team in English football history, fine too. Having your players involved in a drink drive accident and then running away, also fine.
Now, having gone on about attendances for years, it’s ok that when you are not doing well, you have a huge drop in fans going to the games. Despite having. Slagged off Forest for a similar effect. Of course, that is also not a negative in anyway somehow.
What would it actually take for a Derby fan to accept things might have not gone so well?
posted on 11/4/22
comment by reds_are_everywhere (U9547)
posted 38 minutes ago
The reason I made this post was because Derby fans constantly claimed that being the worst team in history wasn’t embarrassing, and that being in league one was worse. Well now they are likely to find out if that is true.
Somehow, Derby fans can never admit anything is bad or shameful. Being relegated for cheating, that’s fine. Being the worst team in English football history, fine too. Having your players involved in a drink drive accident and then running away, also fine.
Now, having gone on about attendances for years, it’s ok that when you are not doing well, you have a huge drop in fans going to the games. Despite having. Slagged off Forest for a similar effect. Of course, that is also not a negative in anyway somehow.
What would it actually take for a Derby fan to accept things might have not gone so well?
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Yeah, but my dad's bigger than your dad.
posted on 11/4/22
Strange air about this thread - similar to what I’ve seen on Twitter and other social media.
Notts Florest are having their best season in 23 years (?). They stand on the brink of the premier league for the first time since May 1999 😳 and having been the first Euro winners to drop into the 3rd tier of their national leagues (on form) for ever.
They’ve got a good manager, crowds are back, good playing style, happy fans and…….
….they still seem to want to talk about their more illustrious and preferred neighbours from down the 52.
It’s not right, in fact it’s downright weird and I personally don’t get it .
Enjoy your season Dogs, we’re worried but we’re fine but if you want to obsess about us - as you are - make it constructive or objective? Eh?
posted on 11/4/22
Things are bad, really bad, in fact, I don't think they could
Get any worse.
Oh wait, I could be a red dog.
That's worse than anything we are going through.
There is a god!!!!
posted on 11/4/22
You just don't get it, reds_are_everywhere, though some of your fellows do. Of course it has been an utter and complete disaster, who is denying that? None of it is fine. It won't stop me being a fan. What kind of person would I be if it did? Despite everything, there has been a lot to be proud of this season. The fact that you can't quite get your head around it doesn't make it any less true. But your obsession with Derby County and how you think its fans ought to be feeling is, frankly, a bit weird.
posted on 11/4/22
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 4 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by reds_are_everywhere (U9547)
posted 38 minutes ago
The reason I made this post was because Derby fans constantly claimed that being the worst team in history wasn’t embarrassing, and that being in league one was worse. Well now they are likely to find out if that is true.
Somehow, Derby fans can never admit anything is bad or shameful. Being relegated for cheating, that’s fine. Being the worst team in English football history, fine too. Having your players involved in a drink drive accident and then running away, also fine.
Now, having gone on about attendances for years, it’s ok that when you are not doing well, you have a huge drop in fans going to the games. Despite having. Slagged off Forest for a similar effect. Of course, that is also not a negative in anyway somehow.
What would it actually take for a Derby fan to accept things might have not gone so well?
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Yeah, but my dad's bigger than your dad.
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Jim Royle?
posted on 11/4/22
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
You just don't get it, reds_are_everywhere, though some of your fellows do. Of course it has been an utter and complete disaster, who is denying that? None of it is fine. It won't stop me being a fan. What kind of person would I be if it did? Despite everything, there has been a lot to be proud of this season. The fact that you can't quite get your head around it doesn't make it any less true. But your obsession with Derby County and how you think its fans ought to be feeling is, frankly, a bit weird.
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Reds...I couldn't agree more and Vidal just proved your point.
They are incapable of responding to points in a comment and pluck a response from a singular example to prove a point. They seem incapable of being anything but sanctimonious.
Vidal maybe higher up on the Bristol chart, but he's still a stool.
The only hope they have, is that we mess up and they can have the last laugh at the end of May. Trust me, that is all they are clinging to.
We've seen it a million times before, they'll be all over our comment section and when we rarely venture onto the virtual A52 they will delete ours. Spineless.
Not long to go now Reds, with any luck they will be relegated this time next week.
posted on 11/4/22
comment by Morninchile (U18154)
............ they'll be all over our comment section and when we rarely venture onto the virtual A52 they will delete ours. Spineless.
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OMFG.
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posted on 11/4/22
It’s true….View of late has had a meltdown - he just deletes anyone and everyone who dares to come onto his match thread and doesn’t support his Derby perspective
It seem banter, debate, interaction with those across the footballing spectrum has all but disappeared from his mindset unless you toe the party line
I think this season has finally tipped him over the edge
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