comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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It was hardly just Klopp. Plus I think every other competition has five substitutes, including both domestic cups, so why shouldn't the PL?
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 12 minutes ago
Well the metric I see is 14 of the last 15 games we played we had more shots on target than the opposition but only won 5.
Surely law of averages will say it will even out and we win a game we have most likely less shots on target? Having said that last season we had more shots on target than them at Anfield and drew.
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Your strikers are shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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They will still have the same number of chances to make subs as they do currently, they can't be subbed in five separate stages of the game.
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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Firstly Klopp really didn't force through a rule.
Secondly all Prem teams are incredibly well financed and them being able to bring on more fresh legs is just as beneficial.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
I think the five subs idea is a good one but I would caveat that by saying that two of them coming on need to be academy players. How you define academy is up for discussion but it can't be likes of Rashford for example. Maybe players with less than 38 appearanoor something?
It does benefit the bigger teams in some ways in bringing top class players on but also, for the smaller teams, it does allow them to bring on more legs as well if their game plan is to contain.
I'd be happy with a 3-0 loss to be honest.
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
It would be just like United to beat Liverpool and help City out
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
Aside from DDG at one end and Ronaldo at the other, not sure anyone inbetween can do the job they are being asked/paid to do.
It's a shame that both Fred and McT will still be unavailable.
Matic starting is a given otherwise we don't have a midfield capable of screening the back four.
AWB should probably come back in for this game, maybe as part of a back three, especially if we persist with Dalot and Telles.
Maguire needs to focus on being a menace to the opposition in his own area ... no more headbutting Ronaldo, or scorpion kicking Pogba.
If there are players that can't show they are up for this game in training over the next couple of days then Ralph should leave them in Manchester.
Fernandes despite having a poor season is on course to create the most chances for the 2nd successive premierleague season. I reckon he created the most as well when he first came to us in that period to end of season.
So creating chances ain’t a problem for us.
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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It's simply a fact that this will help player welfare though.
If you play like you did yesterday, Liverpool will hammer United.
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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You may remember that said manager went without a central defence for the majority of last season, and so player welfare would have been at the very forefront of his mind.
We actually played well first half. They got in behind 2nd minute and then got battered for rest of half until like stoppage time and one other counter. We started 2nd half really strong and then they scored a goal out of nowhere and then they started playing again. Then we got a goal out of nothing and then Norwich got battered again. So basically for most of the game we were way on top.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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It's simply a fact that this will help player welfare though.
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Apparently not. Playing more games than anybody else has worked wonders for Liverpool. No injuries. Feel free to compare number of injuries in the EPL, relative to all of the other top European leagues this season and tell me if there have been significantly more injuries. As there should be, if Herr Jurgen's hypothesis is proven to be correct.
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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You may remember that said manager went without a central defence for the majority of last season, and so player welfare would have been at the very forefront of his mind.
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And bizarrely that was whilst you were allowed 5 subs ffs π€£. Whilst you've had feck all injuries either side of that when only allowed three subs. Almost as if the number of subs isn't an issue in terms of player welfare.
But it's certainly useful from a strategic and squad depth standpoint
I honestly don’t see us conceding less than 3.
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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You may remember that said manager went without a central defence for the majority of last season, and so player welfare would have been at the very forefront of his mind.
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And bizarrely that was whilst you were allowed 5 subs ffs π€£. Whilst you've had feck all injuries either side of that when only allowed three subs. Almost as if the number of subs isn't an issue in terms of player welfare.
But it's certainly useful from a strategic and squad depth standpoint
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Nope, that was with three subs.
Fernandes despite having a poor season is on course to create the most chances for the 2nd successive premierleague season. I reckon he created the most as well when he first came to us in that period to end of season.
So creating chances ain’t a problem for us.
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Do you actually watch the games or do you just base everything off XG stats?
I would argue that the conversion rate from creating a chance from patterns of play that you have practised hundreds of times in training will be higher than the conversion rate from lucky, unexpected bounces of the ball, which is 90% of the chances that we create.
We never create chances from open play. It's always either from deflections, mistakes, luck or moments of magic from Ronaldo.
On injures......its simple rotation.
Klopp has slowly added player to player and brought through academy too; we can rotate now because we have recently brought in/through:
Kelleher
Konate
Diaz
Kostas
Jota
Elliott
Curtis
Thiago
What this means is EXACTLY what happened when we played benfica then city....swop 7 players and the quality hardly dropped at all.
City haven't got the same overall squad quality and its why they now have injuries. Klopp learnt a lot from last season and we are benefiting right now.
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posted 34 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 34 seconds ago
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posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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You may remember that said manager went without a central defence for the majority of last season, and so player welfare would have been at the very forefront of his mind.
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And bizarrely that was whilst you were allowed 5 subs ffs π€£. Whilst you've had feck all injuries either side of that when only allowed three subs. Almost as if the number of subs isn't an issue in terms of player welfare.
But it's certainly useful from a strategic and squad depth standpoint
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Nope, that was with three subs.
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My bad. But you have no injuries now, having played more games than anybody. And with only 3 subs.
There is no statistic to back up Jurgen's cry for more subs either in terms of player welfare or hampering the competitiveness of English teams. But it is useful to have more subs. Particularly for big squads. As Jurgen is well aware
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 1 minute ago
On injures......its simple rotation.
Klopp has slowly added player to player and brought through academy too; we can rotate now because we have recently brought in/through:
Kelleher
Konate
Diaz
Kostas
Jota
Elliott
Curtis
Thiago
What this means is EXACTLY what happened when we played benfica then city....swop 7 players and the quality hardly dropped at all.
City haven't got the same overall squad quality and its why they now have injuries. Klopp learnt a lot from last season and we are benefiting right now.
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If Klopp gave a genuine eff about player welfare, Mo Salah would not have come off the bench for the next game after the Afcon final. He's full of Shiite basically
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posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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It's simply a fact that this will help player welfare though.
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Apparently not. Playing more games than anybody else has worked wonders for Liverpool. No injuries. Feel free to compare number of injuries in the EPL, relative to all of the other top European leagues this season and tell me if there have been significantly more injuries. As there should be, if Herr Jurgen's hypothesis is proven to be correct.
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Absolute nonsense. Look, if you want to suggest playing less minutes will not help with injuries go for it but it makes you look silly.
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posted on 17/4/22
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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It was hardly just Klopp. Plus I think every other competition has five substitutes, including both domestic cups, so why shouldn't the PL?
posted on 17/4/22
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 12 minutes ago
Well the metric I see is 14 of the last 15 games we played we had more shots on target than the opposition but only won 5.
Surely law of averages will say it will even out and we win a game we have most likely less shots on target? Having said that last season we had more shots on target than them at Anfield and drew.
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Your strikers are shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
posted on 17/4/22
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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They will still have the same number of chances to make subs as they do currently, they can't be subbed in five separate stages of the game.
posted on 17/4/22
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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Firstly Klopp really didn't force through a rule.
Secondly all Prem teams are incredibly well financed and them being able to bring on more fresh legs is just as beneficial.
posted on 17/4/22
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
posted on 17/4/22
I think the five subs idea is a good one but I would caveat that by saying that two of them coming on need to be academy players. How you define academy is up for discussion but it can't be likes of Rashford for example. Maybe players with less than 38 appearanoor something?
It does benefit the bigger teams in some ways in bringing top class players on but also, for the smaller teams, it does allow them to bring on more legs as well if their game plan is to contain.
posted on 17/4/22
I'd be happy with a 3-0 loss to be honest.
posted on 17/4/22
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
posted on 17/4/22
It would be just like United to beat Liverpool and help City out
posted on 17/4/22
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
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posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
posted on 17/4/22
Aside from DDG at one end and Ronaldo at the other, not sure anyone inbetween can do the job they are being asked/paid to do.
It's a shame that both Fred and McT will still be unavailable.
Matic starting is a given otherwise we don't have a midfield capable of screening the back four.
AWB should probably come back in for this game, maybe as part of a back three, especially if we persist with Dalot and Telles.
Maguire needs to focus on being a menace to the opposition in his own area ... no more headbutting Ronaldo, or scorpion kicking Pogba.
If there are players that can't show they are up for this game in training over the next couple of days then Ralph should leave them in Manchester.
posted on 17/4/22
Fernandes despite having a poor season is on course to create the most chances for the 2nd successive premierleague season. I reckon he created the most as well when he first came to us in that period to end of season.
So creating chances ain’t a problem for us.
posted on 17/4/22
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
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posted 28 seconds ago
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posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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It's simply a fact that this will help player welfare though.
posted on 17/4/22
If you play like you did yesterday, Liverpool will hammer United.
posted on 17/4/22
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
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posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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You may remember that said manager went without a central defence for the majority of last season, and so player welfare would have been at the very forefront of his mind.
posted on 17/4/22
We actually played well first half. They got in behind 2nd minute and then got battered for rest of half until like stoppage time and one other counter. We started 2nd half really strong and then they scored a goal out of nowhere and then they started playing again. Then we got a goal out of nothing and then Norwich got battered again. So basically for most of the game we were way on top.
posted on 17/4/22
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posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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It's simply a fact that this will help player welfare though.
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Apparently not. Playing more games than anybody else has worked wonders for Liverpool. No injuries. Feel free to compare number of injuries in the EPL, relative to all of the other top European leagues this season and tell me if there have been significantly more injuries. As there should be, if Herr Jurgen's hypothesis is proven to be correct.
posted on 17/4/22
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
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posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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You may remember that said manager went without a central defence for the majority of last season, and so player welfare would have been at the very forefront of his mind.
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And bizarrely that was whilst you were allowed 5 subs ffs π€£. Whilst you've had feck all injuries either side of that when only allowed three subs. Almost as if the number of subs isn't an issue in terms of player welfare.
But it's certainly useful from a strategic and squad depth standpoint
posted on 17/4/22
I honestly don’t see us conceding less than 3.
posted on 17/4/22
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
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comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
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posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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You may remember that said manager went without a central defence for the majority of last season, and so player welfare would have been at the very forefront of his mind.
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And bizarrely that was whilst you were allowed 5 subs ffs π€£. Whilst you've had feck all injuries either side of that when only allowed three subs. Almost as if the number of subs isn't an issue in terms of player welfare.
But it's certainly useful from a strategic and squad depth standpoint
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Nope, that was with three subs.
posted on 17/4/22
Fernandes despite having a poor season is on course to create the most chances for the 2nd successive premierleague season. I reckon he created the most as well when he first came to us in that period to end of season.
So creating chances ain’t a problem for us.
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Do you actually watch the games or do you just base everything off XG stats?
I would argue that the conversion rate from creating a chance from patterns of play that you have practised hundreds of times in training will be higher than the conversion rate from lucky, unexpected bounces of the ball, which is 90% of the chances that we create.
We never create chances from open play. It's always either from deflections, mistakes, luck or moments of magic from Ronaldo.
posted on 17/4/22
On injures......its simple rotation.
Klopp has slowly added player to player and brought through academy too; we can rotate now because we have recently brought in/through:
Kelleher
Konate
Diaz
Kostas
Jota
Elliott
Curtis
Thiago
What this means is EXACTLY what happened when we played benfica then city....swop 7 players and the quality hardly dropped at all.
City haven't got the same overall squad quality and its why they now have injuries. Klopp learnt a lot from last season and we are benefiting right now.
posted on 17/4/22
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 34 seconds ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
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posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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You may remember that said manager went without a central defence for the majority of last season, and so player welfare would have been at the very forefront of his mind.
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And bizarrely that was whilst you were allowed 5 subs ffs π€£. Whilst you've had feck all injuries either side of that when only allowed three subs. Almost as if the number of subs isn't an issue in terms of player welfare.
But it's certainly useful from a strategic and squad depth standpoint
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Nope, that was with three subs.
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My bad. But you have no injuries now, having played more games than anybody. And with only 3 subs.
There is no statistic to back up Jurgen's cry for more subs either in terms of player welfare or hampering the competitiveness of English teams. But it is useful to have more subs. Particularly for big squads. As Jurgen is well aware
posted on 17/4/22
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 1 minute ago
On injures......its simple rotation.
Klopp has slowly added player to player and brought through academy too; we can rotate now because we have recently brought in/through:
Kelleher
Konate
Diaz
Kostas
Jota
Elliott
Curtis
Thiago
What this means is EXACTLY what happened when we played benfica then city....swop 7 players and the quality hardly dropped at all.
City haven't got the same overall squad quality and its why they now have injuries. Klopp learnt a lot from last season and we are benefiting right now.
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If Klopp gave a genuine eff about player welfare, Mo Salah would not have come off the bench for the next game after the Afcon final. He's full of Shiite basically
posted on 17/4/22
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
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comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Lasso πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
United have to play amazing simply because Liverpool can bring on several top class players if things aren't going well, and at least one of em will surely waltz through united defence.
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That will be even moreso the case next season with 5 subs sadly. If you thought the PL was already uncompetitive, Jurgen has managed to force through a rule that makes it even more so.
Just for the record, going into yesterday's semi final, there was only one team in the PL without a single squad player injured. Liverpool. So you can see that the extra subs were absolutely essential for player welfare
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I agree with you here Merry dude. The 5 subs rule is so stupid. It’s basically giving the richer clubs with better squads carte blanche to play another half a team of top players in their matches. Plus the non stop subbing ruins the flow of games. I’d love to see a rule where you can’t make any subs after the 85th min mark.
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I think with no winter break, and if the PL/fa want English teams to perform well on all fronts, 5 subs is needed to manage the squad more effectively.
I also accept the flip side is the weaker teams have less options but I can guarantee it's something even the smallest squads in the PL will utilise. Maybe they won't derive as much benefit but I don't think they won't use the additional subs. Just cos a player isn't as good or worth as much doesn't mean they aren't worth protecting. I'd argue a smaller squad of quality means their players need more.managing.
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The English league has performed very well on all fronts in Europe this season, without 5 subs domestically. In fact it's been the one of the most successful seasons in English football history in terms of continental achievements.
And the team who have played most games, whose manager has shouted loudest for more subs are currently the only squad in the league without a single injury. And they've had very very few injuries all season long. Almost as if it isn't a player welfare issue and more one of maximising the ability to utilise your squad during any game. Though Jurgen says that isn't the case. Of course he does
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You're making it sound like we're the only team that will benefit from this.
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I'm making it sound like your manager was the one who shouted loudest for it and that his player welfare arguments aren't backed up by simple facts.
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It's simply a fact that this will help player welfare though.
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Apparently not. Playing more games than anybody else has worked wonders for Liverpool. No injuries. Feel free to compare number of injuries in the EPL, relative to all of the other top European leagues this season and tell me if there have been significantly more injuries. As there should be, if Herr Jurgen's hypothesis is proven to be correct.
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Absolute nonsense. Look, if you want to suggest playing less minutes will not help with injuries go for it but it makes you look silly.
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