Hear Hear.
I'm really worried about the situation we are now in. I'm not worried about having to find a new manager, that wont be difficult; but a new Investor/Owner/Chairman is another kettle of fish entirely.
I'd be interested to hear what the Doughty out brigade think what will happen next. They probably expect an oil sheik or Russian Oligarch to bring his millions to the City Ground, but if Bill Kenright can't attract them to Everton what chance do we have
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I think their wrath has been felt more than enough for 1 week.
How can having reduced funds and potentially no one else to inject any be a positive thing!?
How anyone can think as a club we are in a stronger position after 'their' protest is a crazy man.
!0 years of failure, 3 spent in the third division, the 2 managers that were any good and looked like taking us to the Premier league both sacked. Need I go on ?
Sorry thats 10 years of failure, no make that 12.
Not wanting to intrude, but the most vocal football fans are, in the main, mindless knuckle draggers who don't have a clue about finance or business.
To think you will find a better owner than a local fan, who finances the club to the tune of £65m out of his own pocket is ludicrous!
Andorranred.
Agree there has been more downs than ups, although some of the ups have seen us knocking on tge premier league door.
The point I'm trying to make is, who is there as a replacement?
Who is going to take on a 60million debt and then invest more?
Who?
My guess is you don't have an answer.
Would you like to see doughty out for real and him call for his money back and us to be in some real shi...t?
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People don't half talk some rubbish. For a start ND has stepped down as chairman, not owner and says he'll continue support and fund the club going in to FFP. so all this talk of finding someone to put money in his rubbish.
But what do I know? am just a knuckle dragger who couldn't possibly understand the complexity of the situation.
I'm sure if i could function on the same intellectual level as the rest if you I'd understand that the recent event at the club were actually brilliant. And to be £60/70m in debt whilst mainly being rubbish is an amazing achievement,
Still there are somethings people of a limited mental capacity will never be able to grasp. So I'm off out to get dunk and beat someone up.
Strange that the protesters bring up the £60m debt as a criticism of Doughty, while with their next breath they demand more money for signings.
Where do you think the debt comes from? I'd guess it has something to do with transfer fees and players' wages.
Strange that the protesters bring up the £60m debt as a criticism of Doughty, while with their next breath they demand more money for signings.
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"the protesters?"
Quite a few people protesting, quite a few opinions. Money is a very small part of why I want ND to go.
I've only ever wanted the club to spend when they've said they were able to do so, or we know there was money available.
It annoys me that any one who doesnt think ND did a good a job is totally unreasonable. ND had 12 years, thats plenty of time to make fair judgement on his ability to run to the club.
"I've only ever wanted the club to spend when they've said they were able to do so, or we know there was money available"
I think your wish is about to become true from listening to Doughty's interview.
He may of only just stepped down as Chairman, but it sounds like his financial kindness is going to be a thing of the past.
Who knows where this is going to take us, but unless a manager comes in and makes an impact this season I think were gonna have a few hard years to come.
I listened to his interview. He said he'd made a financial commitment to the club and was happy to honour it. That will become diluted as FFP comes in.
He didn't say he was going to pull any money out.
Only saying I think your point regarding spending what we have will come true.
Yes Doughty will hour his financial commitment and thank goodness he is or we would be right in the shi..t.
But if you think he is going to go above what he has to commit to I would say is wring.
My opinion, but would you dig deep for a club who's fans have ousted you out?
ND
Marthur
McClaren
King Billy
Nothings changed. He's willing to support the club financially, but hed scaling down to comply with FFP. The only thing that's different is he's not making the decisions. He admit himself he's made bad ones.
People going on like a few idiots have spoiled it for the rest. The rest being the more enlightend, intelligent fans, as some are doing is unfair.
The result of FFP may well be the end of the opportunity for three teams to go up?..............................and three rich teams to come down...............................while the rest of us manage on our gate money???????????????
Could be one down one up with a Prem play off to see who goes down??????????????????????
It's pretty idiotic to say that nothing has changed.
And your even more of a p.rat if you think there will be the same level of financial commitment with loan signings etc if Doughty didn't stand down and the protests didn't happen.
In the words of our club captain who nows a little more about the goings on at the club than any of us...
"Who would replace Nigel Doughty and put in the money he has over the years? For me, some of the criticism he has come in for is unjust.
"the protesters?"
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OK, Sutton, you for starters
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And to be £60/70m in debt whilst mainly being rubbish is an amazing achievement
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You insist on linking our lack of success under Doughty (agreed!) with the debt to Doughty accumulated over the years.
I can see why fans' frustration has come to a head - ND always seems to lose his nerve just when we need to spend a bit more to get us over the line. But we can't have it both ways.
We could argue that he should have spent less and appointed only unknown young managers who could bring Academy players through and spot lower league talent, rigorously balancing the books. But we've all wanted him to spend more. We can't turn round now and slag him off for bankrolling the club - but some critics talk as if he's stolen £60 million from Forest!
Not you, maybe - but you still feel the need to have a dig. Are you saying he shouldn't have bankrolled us?
Unless NDs lying (he wouldn't lie to fans, would he?) little has changed.
Maybe it might cost us a few loan signings in the short term but after 12 years I think it's fair that fans should have there say.
Our captain also said the manager was promised things he didn't get. That's what kicked all this off. That why we ate where we are and probably won't make the most if two good seasons. That's his fault and he admits it. So how about placing blame where it lies, instead of having forest fans sniping at each other.
He's made mistakes and as I stated above, we have had more downs than ups.
But my personal opinion is the protest is a untasteful way to treat the guy.
Only time will tell if this is going to be detrimental to the club in the short and long term.
For a start I didn't protest. I was in favour of one. But when I got there they were chanting about Billy. Which I thought was daft. So I went back to my mates in the pub.
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Not you, maybe - but you still feel the need to have a dig. Are you saying he shouldn't have bankrolled us?
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I'm grateful to him for putting money in. All I'm saying is for that level of investment the club should have done much better.
Whenever I talk about ND it's always about money. shouldn't be. The money's not the issue, I don't fault him for that. Its his decisions, this mess with McClaren, three years in league 1, not backing Paul hart, appointing the dross managers we've had. That's why I have a dig.
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posted on 3/10/11
Hear Hear.
I'm really worried about the situation we are now in. I'm not worried about having to find a new manager, that wont be difficult; but a new Investor/Owner/Chairman is another kettle of fish entirely.
I'd be interested to hear what the Doughty out brigade think what will happen next. They probably expect an oil sheik or Russian Oligarch to bring his millions to the City Ground, but if Bill Kenright can't attract them to Everton what chance do we have
posted on 3/10/11
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posted on 3/10/11
I think their wrath has been felt more than enough for 1 week.
How can having reduced funds and potentially no one else to inject any be a positive thing!?
How anyone can think as a club we are in a stronger position after 'their' protest is a crazy man.
posted on 3/10/11
!0 years of failure, 3 spent in the third division, the 2 managers that were any good and looked like taking us to the Premier league both sacked. Need I go on ?
posted on 3/10/11
Sorry thats 10 years of failure, no make that 12.
posted on 3/10/11
Not wanting to intrude, but the most vocal football fans are, in the main, mindless knuckle draggers who don't have a clue about finance or business.
To think you will find a better owner than a local fan, who finances the club to the tune of £65m out of his own pocket is ludicrous!
posted on 3/10/11
Andorranred.
Agree there has been more downs than ups, although some of the ups have seen us knocking on tge premier league door.
The point I'm trying to make is, who is there as a replacement?
Who is going to take on a 60million debt and then invest more?
Who?
My guess is you don't have an answer.
Would you like to see doughty out for real and him call for his money back and us to be in some real shi...t?
posted on 3/10/11
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posted on 3/10/11
People don't half talk some rubbish. For a start ND has stepped down as chairman, not owner and says he'll continue support and fund the club going in to FFP. so all this talk of finding someone to put money in his rubbish.
But what do I know? am just a knuckle dragger who couldn't possibly understand the complexity of the situation.
I'm sure if i could function on the same intellectual level as the rest if you I'd understand that the recent event at the club were actually brilliant. And to be £60/70m in debt whilst mainly being rubbish is an amazing achievement,
Still there are somethings people of a limited mental capacity will never be able to grasp. So I'm off out to get dunk and beat someone up.
posted on 3/10/11
Strange that the protesters bring up the £60m debt as a criticism of Doughty, while with their next breath they demand more money for signings.
Where do you think the debt comes from? I'd guess it has something to do with transfer fees and players' wages.
posted on 3/10/11
Strange that the protesters bring up the £60m debt as a criticism of Doughty, while with their next breath they demand more money for signings.
________________________
"the protesters?"
Quite a few people protesting, quite a few opinions. Money is a very small part of why I want ND to go.
I've only ever wanted the club to spend when they've said they were able to do so, or we know there was money available.
It annoys me that any one who doesnt think ND did a good a job is totally unreasonable. ND had 12 years, thats plenty of time to make fair judgement on his ability to run to the club.
posted on 3/10/11
"I've only ever wanted the club to spend when they've said they were able to do so, or we know there was money available"
I think your wish is about to become true from listening to Doughty's interview.
He may of only just stepped down as Chairman, but it sounds like his financial kindness is going to be a thing of the past.
Who knows where this is going to take us, but unless a manager comes in and makes an impact this season I think were gonna have a few hard years to come.
posted on 3/10/11
I listened to his interview. He said he'd made a financial commitment to the club and was happy to honour it. That will become diluted as FFP comes in.
He didn't say he was going to pull any money out.
posted on 3/10/11
Only saying I think your point regarding spending what we have will come true.
Yes Doughty will hour his financial commitment and thank goodness he is or we would be right in the shi..t.
But if you think he is going to go above what he has to commit to I would say is wring.
My opinion, but would you dig deep for a club who's fans have ousted you out?
posted on 3/10/11
ND
Marthur
McClaren
King Billy
posted on 3/10/11
Nothings changed. He's willing to support the club financially, but hed scaling down to comply with FFP. The only thing that's different is he's not making the decisions. He admit himself he's made bad ones.
People going on like a few idiots have spoiled it for the rest. The rest being the more enlightend, intelligent fans, as some are doing is unfair.
posted on 3/10/11
The result of FFP may well be the end of the opportunity for three teams to go up?..............................and three rich teams to come down...............................while the rest of us manage on our gate money???????????????
Could be one down one up with a Prem play off to see who goes down??????????????????????
posted on 3/10/11
It's pretty idiotic to say that nothing has changed.
And your even more of a p.rat if you think there will be the same level of financial commitment with loan signings etc if Doughty didn't stand down and the protests didn't happen.
In the words of our club captain who nows a little more about the goings on at the club than any of us...
"Who would replace Nigel Doughty and put in the money he has over the years? For me, some of the criticism he has come in for is unjust.
posted on 3/10/11
"the protesters?"
_______________
OK, Sutton, you for starters
___________________________________
And to be £60/70m in debt whilst mainly being rubbish is an amazing achievement
_____________________________________
You insist on linking our lack of success under Doughty (agreed!) with the debt to Doughty accumulated over the years.
I can see why fans' frustration has come to a head - ND always seems to lose his nerve just when we need to spend a bit more to get us over the line. But we can't have it both ways.
We could argue that he should have spent less and appointed only unknown young managers who could bring Academy players through and spot lower league talent, rigorously balancing the books. But we've all wanted him to spend more. We can't turn round now and slag him off for bankrolling the club - but some critics talk as if he's stolen £60 million from Forest!
Not you, maybe - but you still feel the need to have a dig. Are you saying he shouldn't have bankrolled us?
posted on 3/10/11
Unless NDs lying (he wouldn't lie to fans, would he?) little has changed.
Maybe it might cost us a few loan signings in the short term but after 12 years I think it's fair that fans should have there say.
Our captain also said the manager was promised things he didn't get. That's what kicked all this off. That why we ate where we are and probably won't make the most if two good seasons. That's his fault and he admits it. So how about placing blame where it lies, instead of having forest fans sniping at each other.
posted on 3/10/11
He's made mistakes and as I stated above, we have had more downs than ups.
But my personal opinion is the protest is a untasteful way to treat the guy.
Only time will tell if this is going to be detrimental to the club in the short and long term.
posted on 3/10/11
For a start I didn't protest. I was in favour of one. But when I got there they were chanting about Billy. Which I thought was daft. So I went back to my mates in the pub.
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Not you, maybe - but you still feel the need to have a dig. Are you saying he shouldn't have bankrolled us?
_____________________________
I'm grateful to him for putting money in. All I'm saying is for that level of investment the club should have done much better.
Whenever I talk about ND it's always about money. shouldn't be. The money's not the issue, I don't fault him for that. Its his decisions, this mess with McClaren, three years in league 1, not backing Paul hart, appointing the dross managers we've had. That's why I have a dig.
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