comment by Robbb Strange πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
You can’t see us lose to Palace, Robb? We just got hammered by Brighton.
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No, I can see us losing to palace but to not get Europa we’d also need West Ham to win at Brighton which I’m not sure will happen.
So even losing to Palace probably won’t drop us from 6th to 7th
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With you now. Hard to tell what West Ham will do.
Realistically how many players are leaving and joining this club?
I'd say a minimum of a fourteen swing, so seven in, seven out, although some of the ins could be youth team.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Strange πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
You can’t see us lose to Palace, Robb? We just got hammered by Brighton.
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No, I can see us losing to palace but to not get Europa we’d also need West Ham to win at Brighton which I’m not sure will happen.
So even losing to Palace probably won’t drop us from 6th to 7th
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With you now. Hard to tell what West Ham will do.
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π we probably deserve to be below West Ham tbh
Is there any benefit to united playing against a bunch of garbage sides from Europe though ?
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For the players that have hardly played in Europe or won trophies, definitely yes.
For Ronaldo, yes, he hasn't won it either. haha and neither have we, for that matter.
Even though we've been poor this season I'd still rather have Utd matches to watch (endure) than not. It'd take a miracle to win the PL next season so realistically it'd be nice to be in a cup we could win if we improve as much as we hope. Also it gives us more gakesyto gel as a squad in terms of what Ten Hag wants to do.
They played the same way under Ole though, people seem to conveniently forget that he managed us for 17 games this season and we were equally as awful as we’ve been under Rangnick.
We actually needed Ralf to be doing Fletcher’s job because that’s where his talents seem to lie rather than coaching.
And if reports are to be believed, Fletcher doesn’t really understand what his role entails with The Mirror saying Ralf didn’t get why the technical director was on the sidelines barking out tactics and getting involved with training sessions.
You don’t see Dan Ashworth, Edu, Phil Giles (Brentford) etc doing that at their clubs.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also it gives us more gakesyto gel
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every modern football team needs a plentiful supply of gakesyto gel
Even if we forget about the gakesyto gel, the guy who wrote that tweet doesn't allude to who within the club are 'appalled by his incompetence', and seems to be implying that whoever said it is a beacon of competence themselves. I'd say him and his chinas on the inside might have an axe to grind about Ralf's ETH recommendation being accepted over their own (inevitably wrong) choice.
They've failed in their task of running a football club, so their opinion doesn't carry much weight. They all need to go as well as Ed.
He's been a blessing rbh. Short term role so not afraid to publicly shame those that need shaming whilst calling out what's gone wrong behind the scenes. Not like it's not what most fans can see already but I think there's a few pampered players in their that need their egos put in check. Public shaming is the last resort but I get the impression he has been shocked at how he's got on too.
I can totally believe some players ignore his instructions and think that it's about time the manager doesn't deflect most the criticism from the players.
Even with no manager united should be beating most of the teams they've lost to this season.
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The problem has always been those above the managers. They've been inconsistent in what style we want to play and this has led to a mishmash of signings that don't work for any of the managers in the mid to long term.
Ralf is an interim manager with his main role being in the back where he has had his success. He was never a great manager. Why people though he was going to change things is a surprise. But he is someone who can help set up a long term vision and help sign players that fall into that vision.
Ten Hag will need that. Otherwise he'll have the same issue Ole had and the previous managers had - signing players the manager didn't want, signing players that don't suit the managers style, signing the targets of the previous manager (Herrera, Shaw, Maguire for instance) or moving late and making desperate signings (Ighalo Cavani, moving late for Sanchez). And failing to ship out players who are not needed (Jones, Lingard, Pereira, etc) and get a decent fee for them. We even quick to offer big bucks to players too soon or to those that didn't deserve it.
Even if he’s sh-t, he can still ‘consult’ EtH first hand on how sh-t our squad is which might help him save a few months himself finding out.
Also managing and consulting are 2 completely different jobs that require very different skill sets. Being a poor manager has little bearing on someones ability to consult.
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 24 minutes ago
The problem has always been those above the managers. They've been inconsistent in what style we want to play and this has led to a mishmash of signings that don't work for any of the managers in the mid to long term.
Ralf is an interim manager with his main role being in the back where he has had his success. He was never a great manager. Why people though he was going to change things is a surprise. But he is someone who can help set up a long term vision and help sign players that fall into that vision.
Ten Hag will need that. Otherwise he'll have the same issue Ole had and the previous managers had - signing players the manager didn't want, signing players that don't suit the managers style, signing the targets of the previous manager (Herrera, Shaw, Maguire for instance) or moving late and making desperate signings (Ighalo Cavani, moving late for Sanchez). And failing to ship out players who are not needed (Jones, Lingard, Pereira, etc) and get a decent fee for them. We even quick to offer big bucks to players too soon or to those that didn't deserve it.
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First paragraph is spot on.
The squad lacks winners in all the most important places - indeed apart form the outstanding players that deserve to be there - and that is only 6 players - the rest are not even reliable squad players and that has been going on for many seasons under many managers/coachs.
Ralf couldn't overcome that nor will Ten Hag - he's an academy coach - which may mean he can repair the busted academy but he won't make a difference to the first team unless those from the academy in it are recognised for what they are (pogba excepted of course).
Third paragraph is full of holes though. Agree on Herrera who was joke signing and never suited to either the club or the EPL at all. Definitely wrong on Maguire and Shaw though, they United's ONLY defenders with the kind of defenders intelligence that the club needs.
Why would we want Europe when there's a WC disrupting next season? If anything it's an advantage not being in Europe because the other big clubs will be and juggling this WC
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 3 hours ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 24 minutes ago
The problem has always been those above the managers. They've been inconsistent in what style we want to play and this has led to a mishmash of signings that don't work for any of the managers in the mid to long term.
Ralf is an interim manager with his main role being in the back where he has had his success. He was never a great manager. Why people though he was going to change things is a surprise. But he is someone who can help set up a long term vision and help sign players that fall into that vision.
Ten Hag will need that. Otherwise he'll have the same issue Ole had and the previous managers had - signing players the manager didn't want, signing players that don't suit the managers style, signing the targets of the previous manager (Herrera, Shaw, Maguire for instance) or moving late and making desperate signings (Ighalo Cavani, moving late for Sanchez). And failing to ship out players who are not needed (Jones, Lingard, Pereira, etc) and get a decent fee for them. We even quick to offer big bucks to players too soon or to those that didn't deserve it.
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First paragraph is spot on.
The squad lacks winners in all the most important places - indeed apart form the outstanding players that deserve to be there - and that is only 6 players - the rest are not even reliable squad players and that has been going on for many seasons under many managers/coachs.
Ralf couldn't overcome that nor will Ten Hag - he's an academy coach - which may mean he can repair the busted academy but he won't make a difference to the first team unless those from the academy in it are recognised for what they are (pogba excepted of course).
Third paragraph is full of holes though. Agree on Herrera who was joke signing and never suited to either the club or the EPL at all. Definitely wrong on Maguire and Shaw though, they United's ONLY defenders with the kind of defenders intelligence that the club needs.
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Mad how Herrera won our player of the year when he never suited the PL.
“ Give a high pressing manager a bunch of over-rated, lazy prima donnas.
He worked out quickly they couldn’t do it so is now having to manage a style that he doesn’t believe in.”
We’re in for a party with ETH then.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 38 minutes ago
“ Give a high pressing manager a bunch of over-rated, lazy prima donnas.
He worked out quickly they couldn’t do it so is now having to manage a style that he doesn’t believe in.”
We’re in for a party with ETH then.
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posted on 8/5/22
comment by Robbb Strange πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
You can’t see us lose to Palace, Robb? We just got hammered by Brighton.
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No, I can see us losing to palace but to not get Europa we’d also need West Ham to win at Brighton which I’m not sure will happen.
So even losing to Palace probably won’t drop us from 6th to 7th
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With you now. Hard to tell what West Ham will do.
posted on 8/5/22
Realistically how many players are leaving and joining this club?
I'd say a minimum of a fourteen swing, so seven in, seven out, although some of the ins could be youth team.
posted on 8/5/22
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Strange πΊπ¦ π¦πΊ πͺπΈ (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
You can’t see us lose to Palace, Robb? We just got hammered by Brighton.
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No, I can see us losing to palace but to not get Europa we’d also need West Ham to win at Brighton which I’m not sure will happen.
So even losing to Palace probably won’t drop us from 6th to 7th
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With you now. Hard to tell what West Ham will do.
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π we probably deserve to be below West Ham tbh
posted on 8/5/22
Is there any benefit to united playing against a bunch of garbage sides from Europe though ?
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For the players that have hardly played in Europe or won trophies, definitely yes.
For Ronaldo, yes, he hasn't won it either. haha and neither have we, for that matter.
posted on 8/5/22
Even though we've been poor this season I'd still rather have Utd matches to watch (endure) than not. It'd take a miracle to win the PL next season so realistically it'd be nice to be in a cup we could win if we improve as much as we hope. Also it gives us more gakesyto gel as a squad in terms of what Ten Hag wants to do.
posted on 8/5/22
They played the same way under Ole though, people seem to conveniently forget that he managed us for 17 games this season and we were equally as awful as we’ve been under Rangnick.
We actually needed Ralf to be doing Fletcher’s job because that’s where his talents seem to lie rather than coaching.
And if reports are to be believed, Fletcher doesn’t really understand what his role entails with The Mirror saying Ralf didn’t get why the technical director was on the sidelines barking out tactics and getting involved with training sessions.
You don’t see Dan Ashworth, Edu, Phil Giles (Brentford) etc doing that at their clubs.
posted on 8/5/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also it gives us more gakesyto gel
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every modern football team needs a plentiful supply of gakesyto gel
posted on 8/5/22
Even if we forget about the gakesyto gel, the guy who wrote that tweet doesn't allude to who within the club are 'appalled by his incompetence', and seems to be implying that whoever said it is a beacon of competence themselves. I'd say him and his chinas on the inside might have an axe to grind about Ralf's ETH recommendation being accepted over their own (inevitably wrong) choice.
They've failed in their task of running a football club, so their opinion doesn't carry much weight. They all need to go as well as Ed.
posted on 8/5/22
He's been a blessing rbh. Short term role so not afraid to publicly shame those that need shaming whilst calling out what's gone wrong behind the scenes. Not like it's not what most fans can see already but I think there's a few pampered players in their that need their egos put in check. Public shaming is the last resort but I get the impression he has been shocked at how he's got on too.
I can totally believe some players ignore his instructions and think that it's about time the manager doesn't deflect most the criticism from the players.
Even with no manager united should be beating most of the teams they've lost to this season.
posted on 8/5/22
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posted on 8/5/22
The problem has always been those above the managers. They've been inconsistent in what style we want to play and this has led to a mishmash of signings that don't work for any of the managers in the mid to long term.
Ralf is an interim manager with his main role being in the back where he has had his success. He was never a great manager. Why people though he was going to change things is a surprise. But he is someone who can help set up a long term vision and help sign players that fall into that vision.
Ten Hag will need that. Otherwise he'll have the same issue Ole had and the previous managers had - signing players the manager didn't want, signing players that don't suit the managers style, signing the targets of the previous manager (Herrera, Shaw, Maguire for instance) or moving late and making desperate signings (Ighalo Cavani, moving late for Sanchez). And failing to ship out players who are not needed (Jones, Lingard, Pereira, etc) and get a decent fee for them. We even quick to offer big bucks to players too soon or to those that didn't deserve it.
posted on 8/5/22
Even if he’s sh-t, he can still ‘consult’ EtH first hand on how sh-t our squad is which might help him save a few months himself finding out.
Also managing and consulting are 2 completely different jobs that require very different skill sets. Being a poor manager has little bearing on someones ability to consult.
posted on 8/5/22
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 24 minutes ago
The problem has always been those above the managers. They've been inconsistent in what style we want to play and this has led to a mishmash of signings that don't work for any of the managers in the mid to long term.
Ralf is an interim manager with his main role being in the back where he has had his success. He was never a great manager. Why people though he was going to change things is a surprise. But he is someone who can help set up a long term vision and help sign players that fall into that vision.
Ten Hag will need that. Otherwise he'll have the same issue Ole had and the previous managers had - signing players the manager didn't want, signing players that don't suit the managers style, signing the targets of the previous manager (Herrera, Shaw, Maguire for instance) or moving late and making desperate signings (Ighalo Cavani, moving late for Sanchez). And failing to ship out players who are not needed (Jones, Lingard, Pereira, etc) and get a decent fee for them. We even quick to offer big bucks to players too soon or to those that didn't deserve it.
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First paragraph is spot on.
The squad lacks winners in all the most important places - indeed apart form the outstanding players that deserve to be there - and that is only 6 players - the rest are not even reliable squad players and that has been going on for many seasons under many managers/coachs.
Ralf couldn't overcome that nor will Ten Hag - he's an academy coach - which may mean he can repair the busted academy but he won't make a difference to the first team unless those from the academy in it are recognised for what they are (pogba excepted of course).
Third paragraph is full of holes though. Agree on Herrera who was joke signing and never suited to either the club or the EPL at all. Definitely wrong on Maguire and Shaw though, they United's ONLY defenders with the kind of defenders intelligence that the club needs.
posted on 8/5/22
Why would we want Europe when there's a WC disrupting next season? If anything it's an advantage not being in Europe because the other big clubs will be and juggling this WC
posted on 8/5/22
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 3 hours ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 24 minutes ago
The problem has always been those above the managers. They've been inconsistent in what style we want to play and this has led to a mishmash of signings that don't work for any of the managers in the mid to long term.
Ralf is an interim manager with his main role being in the back where he has had his success. He was never a great manager. Why people though he was going to change things is a surprise. But he is someone who can help set up a long term vision and help sign players that fall into that vision.
Ten Hag will need that. Otherwise he'll have the same issue Ole had and the previous managers had - signing players the manager didn't want, signing players that don't suit the managers style, signing the targets of the previous manager (Herrera, Shaw, Maguire for instance) or moving late and making desperate signings (Ighalo Cavani, moving late for Sanchez). And failing to ship out players who are not needed (Jones, Lingard, Pereira, etc) and get a decent fee for them. We even quick to offer big bucks to players too soon or to those that didn't deserve it.
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First paragraph is spot on.
The squad lacks winners in all the most important places - indeed apart form the outstanding players that deserve to be there - and that is only 6 players - the rest are not even reliable squad players and that has been going on for many seasons under many managers/coachs.
Ralf couldn't overcome that nor will Ten Hag - he's an academy coach - which may mean he can repair the busted academy but he won't make a difference to the first team unless those from the academy in it are recognised for what they are (pogba excepted of course).
Third paragraph is full of holes though. Agree on Herrera who was joke signing and never suited to either the club or the EPL at all. Definitely wrong on Maguire and Shaw though, they United's ONLY defenders with the kind of defenders intelligence that the club needs.
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Mad how Herrera won our player of the year when he never suited the PL.
posted on 9/5/22
“ Give a high pressing manager a bunch of over-rated, lazy prima donnas.
He worked out quickly they couldn’t do it so is now having to manage a style that he doesn’t believe in.”
We’re in for a party with ETH then.
posted on 9/5/22
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 38 minutes ago
“ Give a high pressing manager a bunch of over-rated, lazy prima donnas.
He worked out quickly they couldn’t do it so is now having to manage a style that he doesn’t believe in.”
We’re in for a party with ETH then.
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We're not in a too bad a place, there's nothing a complete change of playing personnel, ownership, senior management, scouting system and a new ground won't fix
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