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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 47 minutes ago
If you cannot tell the difference between a foetus at an early stage, and person who maybe unconscious then I think your posts on this topic should be regarded as dubious at best.
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Who mentioned someone being unconscious? You're the one who mentioned someone feeling pain.
What about somebody in a coma? Somebody in a vegetative state, should they be killed?
What cutoff point do you like for abortion? 12 weeks? 24 weeks? 40 weeks?
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I wasn't the one who mentioned feeling, but anyway you don't if your unconscious, so no they should not be killed. Nor should people in a coma.
In a vegetative state is usually up to relatives.
The point being that the first two examples are not the same as a foetus.
After how many weeks, how should I know, it's up to science.
And, most importantly, it is women who should choose, not men. All God's and Priests appear to be male, so best to keep religion out of it.
And people like you who want a woman to be made to have a baby even if she told her abusive she didn't want one.
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Ooh 400
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And farewell
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
And just why the fack would you think I’d be happy to do that?
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Because I said how disgusting it is how blaise people are about aborting a fetus/baby... and your response was some comparision to plants based off not feeling pain...
So presumably you would be ok with ending anyones life if they don't feel pain, or is it just fetuses you draw that conclusion?
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That isn’t what I said. I suggest reading posters’ comments more carefully before you respond.
I posted:
“Some plants can perceive sensations, grasp and even respond to sounds.
That doesn’t mean that they’re conscious, able to feel pain or perceive emotions.”
I would be OK ending the life of a person who:
- is not cognisant and is, for example, unable to form thoughts or memories
- does not feel pain or emotions
- is not able to independently sustain themselves
That’s how end of life care for braindead patients works. Fetuses in the first trimester are equivalent. They cannot feel, they cannot emote, they cannot conceive of their surroundings. Again, we are talking about clusters of cells. The science is clear on this.
These people care more about clusters of cells than they do the babies that are born, apparently.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 seconds ago
These people care more about clusters of cells than they do the babies that are born, apparently.
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Clusters of cells lives matter?
People talk about 24 weeks as being when people start to think and sense but yet we have folks on here past 24 years that are unable to think or have any sense.
At 18 weeks, btw, there is 0% chance of a foetus surviving outside the womb. None. It has literally never happened in hundreds of thousands of recorded cases.
At 24 weeks there is around a 60% chance (ballpark) of survival with the best possible medical care, and then in 40% of the surviving cases, the individual will suffer from long-term health complications, including chronically life-shortening illnesses, complications precluding lifelong chronic pain, and afflictions resulting in the need for lifetime round the clock care.
comment by Cinciwolf---Tenth it is. (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
People talk about 24 weeks as being when people start to think and sense but yet we have folks on here past 24 years that are unable to think or have any sense.
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A sperm cell and a fertilised egg starting its 9 month gestation are two wildly different things.
People keep on talking about consciousness and the ability to feel pain.
The fact that the growth of an eventual human being is so flippantly terminated as a final attempt at contraception should be enough to find this whole thing morally questionable.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 10 minutes ago
A sperm cell and a fertilised egg starting its 9 month gestation are two wildly different things.
People keep on talking about consciousness and the ability to feel pain.
The fact that the growth of an eventual human being is so flippantly terminated as a final attempt at contraception should be enough to find this whole thing morally questionable.
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What about your men's rights?
Knowing the legal shenanigans in the US it wouldn't surprise me in 18 years or so we'll see someone suing their government for being born. "I never wanted to be born. My parents wanted a termination. How dare you!"
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
A sperm cell and a fertilised egg starting its 9 month gestation are two wildly different things.
People keep on talking about consciousness and the ability to feel pain.
The fact that the growth of an eventual human being is so flippantly terminated as a final attempt at contraception should be enough to find this whole thing morally questionable.
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Another chosen word...flippantly. to make your view seem strong. But I doubt it's ever done flippantly.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
A sperm cell and a fertilised egg starting its 9 month gestation are two wildly different things.
People keep on talking about consciousness and the ability to feel pain.
The fact that the growth of an eventual human being is so flippantly terminated as a final attempt at contraception should be enough to find this whole thing morally questionable.
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Another chosen word...flippantly. to make your view seem strong. But I doubt it's ever done flippantly.
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I don’t doubt that the majority of the time it is not done flippantly at all, but I think (and I don’t mean to be ageist) that a lot of younger people are quite flippant about it. I’ve known an alarming amount of young people who don’t use contraception of any kind. I think that this is the problem that we should focus on to bring down the number of abortions that take place from people who literally ‘just aren’t ready or want to have kids’.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
A sperm cell and a fertilised egg starting its 9 month gestation are two wildly different things.
People keep on talking about consciousness and the ability to feel pain.
The fact that the growth of an eventual human being is so flippantly terminated as a final attempt at contraception should be enough to find this whole thing morally questionable.
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Another chosen word...flippantly. to make your view seem strong. But I doubt it's ever done flippantly.
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I don’t doubt that the majority of the time it is not done flippantly at all, but I think (and I don’t mean to be ageist) that a lot of younger people are quite flippant about it. I’ve known an alarming amount of young people who don’t use contraception of any kind. I think that this is the problem that we should focus on to bring down the number of abortions that take place from people who literally ‘just aren’t ready or want to have kids’.
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I haven't known any as described, and via children and grandchildren I've met à lot. I'm sure they exist but not in great numbers. In many countries, including the UK it would be difficult to get at all. Many find it a distressing procedure, can cost money, time off work etc.
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
And just why the fack would you think I’d be happy to do that?
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Because I said how disgusting it is how blaise people are about aborting a fetus/baby... and your response was some comparision to plants based off not feeling pain...
So presumably you would be ok with ending anyones life if they don't feel pain, or is it just fetuses you draw that conclusion?
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That isn’t what I said. I suggest reading posters’ comments more carefully before you respond.
I posted:
“Some plants can perceive sensations, grasp and even respond to sounds.
That doesn’t mean that they’re conscious, able to feel pain or perceive emotions.”
I would be OK ending the life of a person who:
- is not cognisant and is, for example, unable to form thoughts or memories
- does not feel pain or emotions
- is not able to independently sustain themselves
That’s how end of life care for braindead patients works. Fetuses in the first trimester are equivalent. They cannot feel, they cannot emote, they cannot conceive of their surroundings. Again, we are talking about clusters of cells. The science is clear on this.
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So if somebody was in a coma and has a 60 percent chance of waking up in 16 weeks. You would be ok with turning off their life support machines because they cannot feel, or survive on their own at that point in time?
They meet all the conditions you listed.
This conversation is still going!
I don't think anyone is saying that abortion is a decision that anyone would take lightly. However, that decision has to surely be an option for any potential mother. You can't just shut up shop and say no you have no option to terminate.
I don't want kids but, if Mrs DC did happen to fall pregnant and I was in that real life situation then my view could change. However, if I was forced to have the child no matter what then that could cause resentment towards the child. I know that doesn't paint me in a great picture but that's the reality. If abortion was an option, but we decided to keep the embryo/baby, then that'd be a more honest decision IMO.
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
And just why the fack would you think I’d be happy to do that?
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Because I said how disgusting it is how blaise people are about aborting a fetus/baby... and your response was some comparision to plants based off not feeling pain...
So presumably you would be ok with ending anyones life if they don't feel pain, or is it just fetuses you draw that conclusion?
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That isn’t what I said. I suggest reading posters’ comments more carefully before you respond.
I posted:
“Some plants can perceive sensations, grasp and even respond to sounds.
That doesn’t mean that they’re conscious, able to feel pain or perceive emotions.”
I would be OK ending the life of a person who:
- is not cognisant and is, for example, unable to form thoughts or memories
- does not feel pain or emotions
- is not able to independently sustain themselves
That’s how end of life care for braindead patients works. Fetuses in the first trimester are equivalent. They cannot feel, they cannot emote, they cannot conceive of their surroundings. Again, we are talking about clusters of cells. The science is clear on this.
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So if somebody was in a coma and has a 60 percent chance of waking up in 16 weeks. You would be ok with turning off their life support machines because they cannot feel, or survive on their own at that point in time?
They meet all the conditions you listed.
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Obviously not if they weren’t braindead.
Your individual in the coma *has* presumably felt, emoted, been cognisant, formed memories, been able and competent to make decisions about their own life, impacted other lives and formed bonds, contributed to society, etc., and is presumably able to do so again. They have been - they are - a person.
A twelve week old fetus is not and has never been a person.
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
And just why the fack would you think I’d be happy to do that?
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Because I said how disgusting it is how blaise people are about aborting a fetus/baby... and your response was some comparision to plants based off not feeling pain...
So presumably you would be ok with ending anyones life if they don't feel pain, or is it just fetuses you draw that conclusion?
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That isn’t what I said. I suggest reading posters’ comments more carefully before you respond.
I posted:
“Some plants can perceive sensations, grasp and even respond to sounds.
That doesn’t mean that they’re conscious, able to feel pain or perceive emotions.”
I would be OK ending the life of a person who:
- is not cognisant and is, for example, unable to form thoughts or memories
- does not feel pain or emotions
- is not able to independently sustain themselves
That’s how end of life care for braindead patients works. Fetuses in the first trimester are equivalent. They cannot feel, they cannot emote, they cannot conceive of their surroundings. Again, we are talking about clusters of cells. The science is clear on this.
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So if somebody was in a coma and has a 60 percent chance of waking up in 16 weeks. You would be ok with turning off their life support machines because they cannot feel, or survive on their own at that point in time?
They meet all the conditions you listed.
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Do you think people have the right to die?
People who are in constant pain?
People who have diseases that won't kill them for years, but make those years torture?
I'm dealing with an old woman ATM whose greatest fear for years was ending up in a care home. Said shed rather be dead.(which was an option before she deteriorated) But now that she has dementia she can't make that decision.
And your morals? I'm sure shed tell you where to stick them.
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
And just why the fack would you think I’d be happy to do that?
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Because I said how disgusting it is how blaise people are about aborting a fetus/baby... and your response was some comparision to plants based off not feeling pain...
So presumably you would be ok with ending anyones life if they don't feel pain, or is it just fetuses you draw that conclusion?
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That isn’t what I said. I suggest reading posters’ comments more carefully before you respond.
I posted:
“Some plants can perceive sensations, grasp and even respond to sounds.
That doesn’t mean that they’re conscious, able to feel pain or perceive emotions.”
I would be OK ending the life of a person who:
- is not cognisant and is, for example, unable to form thoughts or memories
- does not feel pain or emotions
- is not able to independently sustain themselves
That’s how end of life care for braindead patients works. Fetuses in the first trimester are equivalent. They cannot feel, they cannot emote, they cannot conceive of their surroundings. Again, we are talking about clusters of cells. The science is clear on this.
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So if somebody was in a coma and has a 60 percent chance of waking up in 16 weeks. You would be ok with turning off their life support machines because they cannot feel, or survive on their own at that point in time?
They meet all the conditions you listed.
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Obviously not if they weren’t braindead.
Your individual in the coma *has* presumably felt, emoted, been cognisant, formed memories, been able and competent to make decisions about their own life, impacted other lives and formed bonds, contributed to society, etc., and is presumably able to do so again. They have been - they are - a person.
A twelve week old fetus is not and has never been a person.
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where's the line then ?
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comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 5 seconds ago
Contraception is primarily the woman’s responsibility, everyone knows that. It was only the advent of AIDS that made some men start wearing rubber johnnies as you didn’t know where some of these birds had been. Me personally I always preferred to take the risk or just get a nosh off instead, not a fan of condoms. Alright fair enough some bloke are happy to wear johnnies and that’s their business, but they shouldn’t have to. It’s the woman that gets up the duff and has to choose between an abortion or childbirth, neither of which can be very pleasant, so they need to make sure they take precautions. They should definitely have the right to choose though, for their sake of course but also the bloke - if I accidentally got some slag in the club I wouldn’t want her not to have the ability to get rid which is why I’m very much pro choice. The child maintenance lawyers are barstards and have the full weight of the law behind them too / imagine having to be skint for the rest of your life just for one bunk up when you were young. No wonder so many blokes try to dodge it, can’t say I blame them.
Fortunately for me I don’t have to worry about these issues now, 14 years married and no plans for any more kids, if the missus ever decides she wants to come off the pill I will support her in getting a sterilisation.
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never use johnnies if asked either
*unless asked, that should say
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 2 minutes ago
*unless asked, that should say
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Do these women you pay to talk to on line ever ask you to wear one?
Weird.
never paid for it in my life
i wouldn't so much as buy a woman a glass of orange these days...it's not the 1950s...and I ain't no simp
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 5 minutes ago
never paid for it in my life
i wouldn't so much as buy a woman a glass of orange these days...it's not the 1950s...and I ain't no simp
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And ur almosed 90 yrs old…..
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 3 minutes ago
never paid for it in my life
i wouldn't so much as buy a woman a glass of orange these days...it's not the 1950s...and I ain't no simp
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Peks, you are the sexual equivalent to a keyboard hardman.
I would bet you couldn't get laid in a woman's prison if you had a briefcase full of pardons.
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posted on 27/6/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 47 minutes ago
If you cannot tell the difference between a foetus at an early stage, and person who maybe unconscious then I think your posts on this topic should be regarded as dubious at best.
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Who mentioned someone being unconscious? You're the one who mentioned someone feeling pain.
What about somebody in a coma? Somebody in a vegetative state, should they be killed?
What cutoff point do you like for abortion? 12 weeks? 24 weeks? 40 weeks?
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I wasn't the one who mentioned feeling, but anyway you don't if your unconscious, so no they should not be killed. Nor should people in a coma.
In a vegetative state is usually up to relatives.
The point being that the first two examples are not the same as a foetus.
After how many weeks, how should I know, it's up to science.
And, most importantly, it is women who should choose, not men. All God's and Priests appear to be male, so best to keep religion out of it.
And people like you who want a woman to be made to have a baby even if she told her abusive she didn't want one.
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Ooh 400
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And farewell
posted on 27/6/22
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
And just why the fack would you think I’d be happy to do that?
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Because I said how disgusting it is how blaise people are about aborting a fetus/baby... and your response was some comparision to plants based off not feeling pain...
So presumably you would be ok with ending anyones life if they don't feel pain, or is it just fetuses you draw that conclusion?
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That isn’t what I said. I suggest reading posters’ comments more carefully before you respond.
I posted:
“Some plants can perceive sensations, grasp and even respond to sounds.
That doesn’t mean that they’re conscious, able to feel pain or perceive emotions.”
I would be OK ending the life of a person who:
- is not cognisant and is, for example, unable to form thoughts or memories
- does not feel pain or emotions
- is not able to independently sustain themselves
That’s how end of life care for braindead patients works. Fetuses in the first trimester are equivalent. They cannot feel, they cannot emote, they cannot conceive of their surroundings. Again, we are talking about clusters of cells. The science is clear on this.
posted on 27/6/22
These people care more about clusters of cells than they do the babies that are born, apparently.
posted on 27/6/22
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 seconds ago
These people care more about clusters of cells than they do the babies that are born, apparently.
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Clusters of cells lives matter?
posted on 27/6/22
People talk about 24 weeks as being when people start to think and sense but yet we have folks on here past 24 years that are unable to think or have any sense.
posted on 27/6/22
At 18 weeks, btw, there is 0% chance of a foetus surviving outside the womb. None. It has literally never happened in hundreds of thousands of recorded cases.
At 24 weeks there is around a 60% chance (ballpark) of survival with the best possible medical care, and then in 40% of the surviving cases, the individual will suffer from long-term health complications, including chronically life-shortening illnesses, complications precluding lifelong chronic pain, and afflictions resulting in the need for lifetime round the clock care.
posted on 27/6/22
comment by Cinciwolf---Tenth it is. (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
People talk about 24 weeks as being when people start to think and sense but yet we have folks on here past 24 years that are unable to think or have any sense.
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posted on 27/6/22
A sperm cell and a fertilised egg starting its 9 month gestation are two wildly different things.
People keep on talking about consciousness and the ability to feel pain.
The fact that the growth of an eventual human being is so flippantly terminated as a final attempt at contraception should be enough to find this whole thing morally questionable.
posted on 27/6/22
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 10 minutes ago
A sperm cell and a fertilised egg starting its 9 month gestation are two wildly different things.
People keep on talking about consciousness and the ability to feel pain.
The fact that the growth of an eventual human being is so flippantly terminated as a final attempt at contraception should be enough to find this whole thing morally questionable.
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What about your men's rights?
posted on 27/6/22
Knowing the legal shenanigans in the US it wouldn't surprise me in 18 years or so we'll see someone suing their government for being born. "I never wanted to be born. My parents wanted a termination. How dare you!"
posted on 27/6/22
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
A sperm cell and a fertilised egg starting its 9 month gestation are two wildly different things.
People keep on talking about consciousness and the ability to feel pain.
The fact that the growth of an eventual human being is so flippantly terminated as a final attempt at contraception should be enough to find this whole thing morally questionable.
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Another chosen word...flippantly. to make your view seem strong. But I doubt it's ever done flippantly.
posted on 27/6/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
A sperm cell and a fertilised egg starting its 9 month gestation are two wildly different things.
People keep on talking about consciousness and the ability to feel pain.
The fact that the growth of an eventual human being is so flippantly terminated as a final attempt at contraception should be enough to find this whole thing morally questionable.
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Another chosen word...flippantly. to make your view seem strong. But I doubt it's ever done flippantly.
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I don’t doubt that the majority of the time it is not done flippantly at all, but I think (and I don’t mean to be ageist) that a lot of younger people are quite flippant about it. I’ve known an alarming amount of young people who don’t use contraception of any kind. I think that this is the problem that we should focus on to bring down the number of abortions that take place from people who literally ‘just aren’t ready or want to have kids’.
posted on 27/6/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
A sperm cell and a fertilised egg starting its 9 month gestation are two wildly different things.
People keep on talking about consciousness and the ability to feel pain.
The fact that the growth of an eventual human being is so flippantly terminated as a final attempt at contraception should be enough to find this whole thing morally questionable.
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Another chosen word...flippantly. to make your view seem strong. But I doubt it's ever done flippantly.
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I don’t doubt that the majority of the time it is not done flippantly at all, but I think (and I don’t mean to be ageist) that a lot of younger people are quite flippant about it. I’ve known an alarming amount of young people who don’t use contraception of any kind. I think that this is the problem that we should focus on to bring down the number of abortions that take place from people who literally ‘just aren’t ready or want to have kids’.
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I haven't known any as described, and via children and grandchildren I've met à lot. I'm sure they exist but not in great numbers. In many countries, including the UK it would be difficult to get at all. Many find it a distressing procedure, can cost money, time off work etc.
posted on 27/6/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
And just why the fack would you think I’d be happy to do that?
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Because I said how disgusting it is how blaise people are about aborting a fetus/baby... and your response was some comparision to plants based off not feeling pain...
So presumably you would be ok with ending anyones life if they don't feel pain, or is it just fetuses you draw that conclusion?
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That isn’t what I said. I suggest reading posters’ comments more carefully before you respond.
I posted:
“Some plants can perceive sensations, grasp and even respond to sounds.
That doesn’t mean that they’re conscious, able to feel pain or perceive emotions.”
I would be OK ending the life of a person who:
- is not cognisant and is, for example, unable to form thoughts or memories
- does not feel pain or emotions
- is not able to independently sustain themselves
That’s how end of life care for braindead patients works. Fetuses in the first trimester are equivalent. They cannot feel, they cannot emote, they cannot conceive of their surroundings. Again, we are talking about clusters of cells. The science is clear on this.
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So if somebody was in a coma and has a 60 percent chance of waking up in 16 weeks. You would be ok with turning off their life support machines because they cannot feel, or survive on their own at that point in time?
They meet all the conditions you listed.
posted on 27/6/22
This conversation is still going!
I don't think anyone is saying that abortion is a decision that anyone would take lightly. However, that decision has to surely be an option for any potential mother. You can't just shut up shop and say no you have no option to terminate.
I don't want kids but, if Mrs DC did happen to fall pregnant and I was in that real life situation then my view could change. However, if I was forced to have the child no matter what then that could cause resentment towards the child. I know that doesn't paint me in a great picture but that's the reality. If abortion was an option, but we decided to keep the embryo/baby, then that'd be a more honest decision IMO.
posted on 27/6/22
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
And just why the fack would you think I’d be happy to do that?
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Because I said how disgusting it is how blaise people are about aborting a fetus/baby... and your response was some comparision to plants based off not feeling pain...
So presumably you would be ok with ending anyones life if they don't feel pain, or is it just fetuses you draw that conclusion?
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That isn’t what I said. I suggest reading posters’ comments more carefully before you respond.
I posted:
“Some plants can perceive sensations, grasp and even respond to sounds.
That doesn’t mean that they’re conscious, able to feel pain or perceive emotions.”
I would be OK ending the life of a person who:
- is not cognisant and is, for example, unable to form thoughts or memories
- does not feel pain or emotions
- is not able to independently sustain themselves
That’s how end of life care for braindead patients works. Fetuses in the first trimester are equivalent. They cannot feel, they cannot emote, they cannot conceive of their surroundings. Again, we are talking about clusters of cells. The science is clear on this.
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So if somebody was in a coma and has a 60 percent chance of waking up in 16 weeks. You would be ok with turning off their life support machines because they cannot feel, or survive on their own at that point in time?
They meet all the conditions you listed.
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Obviously not if they weren’t braindead.
Your individual in the coma *has* presumably felt, emoted, been cognisant, formed memories, been able and competent to make decisions about their own life, impacted other lives and formed bonds, contributed to society, etc., and is presumably able to do so again. They have been - they are - a person.
A twelve week old fetus is not and has never been a person.
posted on 27/6/22
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
And just why the fack would you think I’d be happy to do that?
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Because I said how disgusting it is how blaise people are about aborting a fetus/baby... and your response was some comparision to plants based off not feeling pain...
So presumably you would be ok with ending anyones life if they don't feel pain, or is it just fetuses you draw that conclusion?
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That isn’t what I said. I suggest reading posters’ comments more carefully before you respond.
I posted:
“Some plants can perceive sensations, grasp and even respond to sounds.
That doesn’t mean that they’re conscious, able to feel pain or perceive emotions.”
I would be OK ending the life of a person who:
- is not cognisant and is, for example, unable to form thoughts or memories
- does not feel pain or emotions
- is not able to independently sustain themselves
That’s how end of life care for braindead patients works. Fetuses in the first trimester are equivalent. They cannot feel, they cannot emote, they cannot conceive of their surroundings. Again, we are talking about clusters of cells. The science is clear on this.
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So if somebody was in a coma and has a 60 percent chance of waking up in 16 weeks. You would be ok with turning off their life support machines because they cannot feel, or survive on their own at that point in time?
They meet all the conditions you listed.
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Do you think people have the right to die?
People who are in constant pain?
People who have diseases that won't kill them for years, but make those years torture?
I'm dealing with an old woman ATM whose greatest fear for years was ending up in a care home. Said shed rather be dead.(which was an option before she deteriorated) But now that she has dementia she can't make that decision.
And your morals? I'm sure shed tell you where to stick them.
posted on 27/6/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
And just why the fack would you think I’d be happy to do that?
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Because I said how disgusting it is how blaise people are about aborting a fetus/baby... and your response was some comparision to plants based off not feeling pain...
So presumably you would be ok with ending anyones life if they don't feel pain, or is it just fetuses you draw that conclusion?
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That isn’t what I said. I suggest reading posters’ comments more carefully before you respond.
I posted:
“Some plants can perceive sensations, grasp and even respond to sounds.
That doesn’t mean that they’re conscious, able to feel pain or perceive emotions.”
I would be OK ending the life of a person who:
- is not cognisant and is, for example, unable to form thoughts or memories
- does not feel pain or emotions
- is not able to independently sustain themselves
That’s how end of life care for braindead patients works. Fetuses in the first trimester are equivalent. They cannot feel, they cannot emote, they cannot conceive of their surroundings. Again, we are talking about clusters of cells. The science is clear on this.
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So if somebody was in a coma and has a 60 percent chance of waking up in 16 weeks. You would be ok with turning off their life support machines because they cannot feel, or survive on their own at that point in time?
They meet all the conditions you listed.
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Obviously not if they weren’t braindead.
Your individual in the coma *has* presumably felt, emoted, been cognisant, formed memories, been able and competent to make decisions about their own life, impacted other lives and formed bonds, contributed to society, etc., and is presumably able to do so again. They have been - they are - a person.
A twelve week old fetus is not and has never been a person.
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where's the line then ?
posted on 27/6/22
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posted on 27/6/22
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 5 seconds ago
Contraception is primarily the woman’s responsibility, everyone knows that. It was only the advent of AIDS that made some men start wearing rubber johnnies as you didn’t know where some of these birds had been. Me personally I always preferred to take the risk or just get a nosh off instead, not a fan of condoms. Alright fair enough some bloke are happy to wear johnnies and that’s their business, but they shouldn’t have to. It’s the woman that gets up the duff and has to choose between an abortion or childbirth, neither of which can be very pleasant, so they need to make sure they take precautions. They should definitely have the right to choose though, for their sake of course but also the bloke - if I accidentally got some slag in the club I wouldn’t want her not to have the ability to get rid which is why I’m very much pro choice. The child maintenance lawyers are barstards and have the full weight of the law behind them too / imagine having to be skint for the rest of your life just for one bunk up when you were young. No wonder so many blokes try to dodge it, can’t say I blame them.
Fortunately for me I don’t have to worry about these issues now, 14 years married and no plans for any more kids, if the missus ever decides she wants to come off the pill I will support her in getting a sterilisation.
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never use johnnies if asked either
posted on 27/6/22
*unless asked, that should say
posted on 27/6/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 2 minutes ago
*unless asked, that should say
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Do these women you pay to talk to on line ever ask you to wear one?
Weird.
posted on 27/6/22
never paid for it in my life
i wouldn't so much as buy a woman a glass of orange these days...it's not the 1950s...and I ain't no simp
posted on 27/6/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 5 minutes ago
never paid for it in my life
i wouldn't so much as buy a woman a glass of orange these days...it's not the 1950s...and I ain't no simp
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And ur almosed 90 yrs old…..
posted on 27/6/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 3 minutes ago
never paid for it in my life
i wouldn't so much as buy a woman a glass of orange these days...it's not the 1950s...and I ain't no simp
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Peks, you are the sexual equivalent to a keyboard hardman.
I would bet you couldn't get laid in a woman's prison if you had a briefcase full of pardons.
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