There is nothing more melodious than cat's meow

We should be looking at players from premier league sides (rivals) Especially the sides who we are bigger than. Its our 3rd season back in the Premier League, time to start acting like the big club we are.

I've always had the feeling that radz and orta are small time. We are still a sleeping giant.

comment by May Bell (U22849)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
There is nothing more melodious than cat's meow
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have you ever seen the end of a bell?

if raffi goes ... don't you mean when?

….has achieved little in retaining star players, attracting proven players to the new project, or maintaining a culture of progress and development.
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Get real.
We avoided relegation by a gnats gonad.
Why would star players risk staying with such a team?
Why would proven players commit to a new project with such a team
And how can you talk about “maintaining” a culture of progress (when we went backwards) and as for development, then you have to say that NO club has given more development opportunities that we did last year.

So all in all, our injury issues and Bielsa’s inability to manage that, resulted not only his departure, but the team effectively back at square one.

If we can show progress this season, then we can start thinking along the lines you talk of, if not, we’ll be a Burnley.. hanging on each year and never likely to achieve any of those things you are expecting for the simple reason …. good players don’t want or need to take the risk on us.

The time to "kick on" with big signings was at the end of our return season. Top half finish would have been a bigger draw than our last disastrous campaign.

Agree entirely about needing a few more stars in our team, not a few less like we're getting.

If you ignore the odd high fee we've paid, none of our new signings are anything other than we'd expect if we were still in the Championship.

It kinda feels like Orta & co are following up on the low budget 'we got relegated' plan rather than the 'we stayed up and need to do better' plan...

There’s no chance you any of the players you listed.

You scraped out of relegation by the skin of your teeth, and are about to lose your two best players, there’s no way the players you listed are realistic.

As it stands with Raph heading out, I’d say we are going to struggle. 3 unknown commodities in, and our best 2 players out…I’m not brimming with confidence!

We are following the Leicester model, which I think is misleading to some. People say Leicester and they think 80 mill for Maguire, but the reason Leicester got that much was because they were an established PL club, holding out in the top 8, with a realistic shot of Europe most seasons. You need to work to get there.

People forget the players Leicester sold relatively cheaply along the way to get there, such as Kante. You just have to hope the players you reinvest in are better than the players you sold, and that you make more profit when it's time for them to be moved on. Some.of the players we have been linked with to replace Raphinha are very exciting indeed.

We never had a chance of signing any of the players you listed.

Just been sat 20 yards away at the bar from Raph Deco and AN Other in Nobu Ibiza

When you sell you best two players leaving the cupboard bare, it sends the wrong message to players with real quality.

Incoming players want to hear the club is building. All O can see is a very risky strategy which if things don’t work out for Marsch could leave us in serious trouble by Christmas.

Assuming Raphinha goes, on paper, apart from Aaronsen, I don’t see we have a single player with a value over £20 million (maybe Harrison or Meslier at as stretch), yet that is the quality of team Radrizzani is hoping Marsch will keep us up with. He maing a huge assumption that these new players becoming as good as Phillips and Rapha. It’s all well and good spending the money, but we will be starting from scratch having torn out the core of quality from the side. I’m not being a doom monger, just pointing out the massive risk being taken right now.

Most likely, Christmas is when we will have a better idea about how effective Marsch’s approach to Premier League football really is; in other words, once other teams begin to suss out how to counter his tactics and style of play.

Like all, would much prefer to be wrong, but I have serious concerns.

For a start, it works two ways. Yes, players might read it as the club being unambitious, or they might see it as evidence that a move to Leeds can be a pathway to Europe, with Leeds not going to stand in your way if a move materialises. This is obviously not ideal, but it's in line with the Leicester model, and is a perfectly valid way of furthering the club's stature, s long as we are consistent in the quality of signings, which is where it should come for scrutiny.

If Gakpo or de Kettle see us as an opportunity to move to England, with a club that want to look up, with a large fanbase and a lot of other pulls, that can provide a pathway to man City, Barcelona etc then that is an advantage in us getting them. if we bullied KP and Raph into staying then not only would that be detrimental to the morale of the players here, it would also put off ambitious younger players who want to use Leeds as an opportunity to get their foot in the door of Europe's elite, and that's the market we should be trying to tap.

I find it odd when anybody gets a new player people are on the edge, the best players in the world started as nobody's and got their chance because someone gave them one!..

The players coming to us, nothing to say they won't improve us, the same as players being to good for us, if the money is right than just about anyone would come to us!..

These day's money talks louder then football, but these day's there are clubs that have a little more then others, and that's the reason most off the best would choose ManC or Newcastle over us!..

This is terrible news r.e kp and raph.
Relegation sounds even more of a certainty.

Why these clubs with their plastic fans, I.e.chelsea and man City are the clubs with all the money is beyond me. Footballs a total mess. If a respectable club like Leeds can't keep superstars, what hope do others have.

comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
For a start, it works two ways. Yes, players might read it as the club being unambitious, or they might see it as evidence that a move to Leeds can be a pathway to Europe, with Leeds not going to stand in your way if a move materialises. This is obviously not ideal, but it's in line with the Leicester model, and is a perfectly valid way of furthering the club's stature, s long as we are consistent in the quality of signings, which is where it should come for scrutiny.

If Gakpo or de Kettle see us as an opportunity to move to England, with a club that want to look up, with a large fanbase and a lot of other pulls, that can provide a pathway to man City, Barcelona etc then that is an advantage in us getting them. if we bullied KP and Raph into staying then not only would that be detrimental to the morale of the players here, it would also put off ambitious younger players who want to use Leeds as an opportunity to get their foot in the door of Europe's elite, and that's the market we should be trying to tap.
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In regard to your second point, Lubo, Tottenham held on to Kane last season even though he was banging at the door to get out, and what happened? He settled down and with the help of Son, blasted Spurs back into the Champions League. Understandably, there is less noise coming from Spurs about him wanting to leave for another club.
Players are no different from the rest of us, they all want the best deal they can get. Raph is making noises right now, but if we could keep him on board, even till January, it would be massive for the club. He is the most talented player we have had in 20 years. We should remember how hard and expensive it is to bring in that kind of talent on our kind of budget.
It is extremely short-sighted to sell him for 60 million or so and assume that we can get one or two players who can equal the impact he has on a game.
He won't like staying a third season with us, but these are professional footballers who are good at one thing in life, and want to showcase that talent at every opportunity. If we don't have to sell him, don't sell him.

comment by My favorite Marschian (U19827)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
For a start, it works two ways. Yes, players might read it as the club being unambitious, or they might see it as evidence that a move to Leeds can be a pathway to Europe, with Leeds not going to stand in your way if a move materialises. This is obviously not ideal, but it's in line with the Leicester model, and is a perfectly valid way of furthering the club's stature, s long as we are consistent in the quality of signings, which is where it should come for scrutiny.

If Gakpo or de Kettle see us as an opportunity to move to England, with a club that want to look up, with a large fanbase and a lot of other pulls, that can provide a pathway to man City, Barcelona etc then that is an advantage in us getting them. if we bullied KP and Raph into staying then not only would that be detrimental to the morale of the players here, it would also put off ambitious younger players who want to use Leeds as an opportunity to get their foot in the door of Europe's elite, and that's the market we should be trying to tap.
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In regard to your second point, Lubo, Tottenham held on to Kane last season even though he was banging at the door to get out, and what happened? He settled down and with the help of Son, blasted Spurs back into the Champions League. Understandably, there is less noise coming from Spurs about him wanting to leave for another club.
Players are no different from the rest of us, they all want the best deal they can get. Raph is making noises right now, but if we could keep him on board, even till January, it would be massive for the club. He is the most talented player we have had in 20 years. We should remember how hard and expensive it is to bring in that kind of talent on our kind of budget.
It is extremely short-sighted to sell him for 60 million or so and assume that we can get one or two players who can equal the impact he has on a game.
He won't like staying a third season with us, but these are professional footballers who are good at one thing in life, and want to showcase that talent at every opportunity. If we don't have to sell him, don't sell him.
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Comparing us to Tottenham is like comparing chalk to cheese. They are an established PL club, never likely to be at risk of relegation, and always likely to have some form of European football. Man City would have been a step up from them (and his agent not been incompetent he would probably have made the move), but he's still at a club able to pay him extortionate wages, guarantee him European football, and (hypothetically) challenge for trophies.

On paper, I understand your point. I just don't think it works as binarily as you seem to think it does. There are plenty of downsides of forcing your best players to stay, be that they down their tools and refuse to play, it dents the morale of the team, deters potential future signings etc etc. On paper, you always want to keep your best players, but the reality of football is not that cut and dry. Sometimes, it suits you better selling one star player, and reinvesting that money on two. If they work, you have two star players instead of one. Then you sell them and you can have four. It all relies on recruitment being good.

According to the Newcastle boot cleaners the richest club in the world are another after Raphinha!..

40mill, wtf!..

So, if true, that means we'd be taking a hit on our 2 best players, or someone at the club had best fecking wake up!..

Rumors are indicating that many future "stars" are being bid on. or soon to be sold. Sadly, if this trend continues at Leeds, you will be playing in the First division in a couple of years!