Now this is a manager that thinks he can reproduce his farmer league result in the Premier League by just signing his former players, and we are making it to be more than it really is by saying things like he is getting the players he trusts to apply his philosophy. What I see is a manager who has no clue how big of a task he has on his hands.
comment by The-ComeBack-Kings (U18502)
posted 3 minutes ago
Now this is a manager that thinks he can reproduce his farmer league result in the Premier League by just signing his former players, and we are making it to be more than it really is by saying things like he is getting the players he trusts to apply his philosophy. What I see is a manager who has no clue how big of a task he has on his hands.
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Explain to me how you see this please? Given that we have not started the season yet or have a finished team or window for that matter.
Very curious about how this one pans out
I don't very much at all about the likes of Martinez, Malacia or Antony (& Timber I suppose), but is anyone else concerned that our apparent targets (I'll slightly exclude FDJ & Eriksen here - but only slightly), seem so far to be based on the wants/experience/knowledge of the new manager, rather than based on any sort of longer term scouting and analysis?
In other words, would we be after these players if ETH wasn't the manager?
On the one hand, it makes absolute sense to bring players in that the manager knows and trusts to carry out his philosophy & ideas. On the other, are we not risking being in a situation again whereby the current manager fails, and the next manager inherits players who don't fit whatever ideas he brings? The counter argument I suppose would be to ensure whoever the next manager is, their footballing blueprint is similar to ETH's.
comment by The-ComeBack-Kings (U18502)
posted 53 minutes ago
Now this is a manager that thinks he can reproduce his farmer league result in the Premier League by just signing his former players, and we are making it to be more than it really is by saying things like he is getting the players he trusts to apply his philosophy. What I see is a manager who has no clue how big of a task he has on his hands.
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He is picking the best players that have played under him. Not the full Ajax sqaud. Use your head man. Or are you saying that no-one that ETH had managed are good enough to play for us?
And when did Malacia play for him?
Please engage your brain before posting next time.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 17 minutes ago
I don't very much at all about the likes of Martinez, Malacia or Antony (& Timber I suppose), but is anyone else concerned that our apparent targets (I'll slightly exclude FDJ & Eriksen here - but only slightly), seem so far to be based on the wants/experience/knowledge of the new manager, rather than based on any sort of longer term scouting and analysis?
In other words, would we be after these players if ETH wasn't the manager?
On the one hand, it makes absolute sense to bring players in that the manager knows and trusts to carry out his philosophy & ideas. On the other, are we not risking being in a situation again whereby the current manager fails, and the next manager inherits players who don't fit whatever ideas he brings? The counter argument I suppose would be to ensure whoever the next manager is, their footballing blueprint is similar to ETH's.
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We moan enough about not getting players the manager wants normally
Shaw and Herrera weren't lvg signings... Jose never got what he wanted, he got Fred, Sanchez... Ole never wanted Donny, Amad etc
It's a risk either way
Malacia won't be first choice right away... De Jong most of us would like anyway. Eriksen makes sense (if not an exciting target) regardless of who's in charge
I'm not convinced we'll go for Antony given the fees quoted... But we do like a winger
Martinez is probably the "ETH only" signing.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 29 minutes ago
I don't very much at all about the likes of Martinez, Malacia or Antony (& Timber I suppose), but is anyone else concerned that our apparent targets (I'll slightly exclude FDJ & Eriksen here - but only slightly), seem so far to be based on the wants/experience/knowledge of the new manager, rather than based on any sort of longer term scouting and analysis?
In other words, would we be after these players if ETH wasn't the manager?
On the one hand, it makes absolute sense to bring players in that the manager knows and trusts to carry out his philosophy & ideas. On the other, are we not risking being in a situation again whereby the current manager fails, and the next manager inherits players who don't fit whatever ideas he brings? The counter argument I suppose would be to ensure whoever the next manager is, their footballing blueprint is similar to ETH's.
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No, it makes a ton of sense. Scouting and data analysis is just fact finding, if you have already done that or know the player then it won't be as necessary. Scouting is pretty much a game of predicting and the less you need to predict, the better. Its why elite clubs rarely buy and play unknown players. Its a big risk. Smaller clubs can take thst risk and the bigger club typically then buys them following them showing they can make a step. There are tons of examples of this and clubs such as Porto, Ajax and Dortmund pretty much focus their whole business model around the idea that they can take these risks and profit when it works out, whilst not risking an absolute meltdown if it doesn't and they have an off season.
Any time new people take over, they typically bring forward people they have worked with and trust. Happens in business all the time. Some of the hardest things to do when you take over a team are to get buy in and engagement. Having people who already know this are key and you want a certain number of people to help embed ideas, culture changes etc.
It's over simplified to reduce it to "its just lazy and going for people he used to work with". People saying this need to ask themselves why elite managers, CEOs, Directors etc across different industries all do this. Maybe the people asking the questions are ignorant and the people doing this know a little about how to plan and implement strategical changes within a business? Doesn't mean it will work everytime or always go well but they do it for a reason.
Hes looking to overhaul a club, both on and off the pitch. This will need buy in and mentality as well as getting to know people from all levels at the club, deal with the press, training, having meetings etc. He can't be everywhere, all the time. They will want people they know can come in, no fuss, who understand their ideas and work with it.
We have been moving towards a team philosophy rather than an individual one and the appointment of ETH is because we want to have a more dominant, possession based style of football. If ETH doesn't work out, we won't go for a Mourinho type, we will go for someone who has a similar method and style.
I would think it's why we didn't go for Conte. That appointment would be much more in line with your fears. Whilst we are bringing in players he has worked with, it isn't just a case of 'anyone will do'. There are specific players with quite specific skill sets that we are going for. If we can't get those targets (such as De Jong) then we will likely move on to players with similar attributes but that he hasn't worked with before (Vitinha was mooted as a possible FDJ alternative, for example)
If you take over as Head of Sales for a firm and the results have been poor for some time you're probably going to be bringing in some new elements of the hierarchy, such as a Sales Manager. Now, you can employ a completely new SM and rely on headhunting and a good interview process but if you've come from another business and you have worked with an SM there, who has a proven record of success in your model and culture, why would you not try and bring them over first? Then if you're unsuccessful you can move on to other candidates.
It lowers the risk of failure because you know what you are getting. Nothing is guaranteed and everything is essentially a prediction. You want to swing the possibility of success in your favour and will generally try to minimise risks and unknowns, especially at this stage where you are starting from scratch.
Tldr - not really, happens all the time across various industries. It's something I've experienced with every CEO/Director/Head change pretty much. I'm in my current role for this exact reason, someone went and took over another site and prioritised bringing me with them even though it meant the business fronted extra costs for things like moving and hotel etc.
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The TLDR version is just the first line of what I said in my third paragraph.
Also, "It's over simplified to reduce it to "its just lazy and going for people he used to work with". People saying this need to ask themselves why elite managers, CEOs, Directors etc across different industries all do this."
I never said this.
The point is that we have a pretty horrendous recent history of lurching from one style of manager to another, with all the issues that has created within the playing personnel in terms of the mesh of players & their utility to a given manager. The footballing direction of the club has been all over the place for a decade now. It's why I said that whoever succeeds ETH needs to be cut from the same footballing cloth as much as possible.
There have also been changes upstairs, which will take a bit of time to bear fruit. So I hope past lessons have been learned.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
Sancho maybe but rashford has had his chance and should be sold. He’s done. He won’t improve or be good enough to take us to a title
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Calm down man.
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posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by The-ComeBack-Kings (U18502)
posted 53 minutes ago
Now this is a manager that thinks he can reproduce his farmer league result in the Premier League by just signing his former players, and we are making it to be more than it really is by saying things like he is getting the players he trusts to apply his philosophy. What I see is a manager who has no clue how big of a task he has on his hands.
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He is picking the best players that have played under him. Not the full Ajax sqaud. Use your head man. Or are you saying that no-one that ETH had managed are good enough to play for us?
And when did Malacia play for him?
Please engage your brain before posting next time.
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What stands out in this clowns cretinous behavior is calling the Dutch league a farmers league. Seriously, how moronic is that.
One thing people might not know here is that ETH isn't the greatest judge of new signings. Got burned before with the likes of Daramy, Kundus etc who looked great in scouting reports. He's very much alike LVG (minus his incompatibility with SA and flair players in general) who's a great judge on players he's been watching in training and matches over a longer period (like youth players but also players on opposing teams in the league).
I would be much more fearfull as a fan if he was trting to sign French, Italian or Spanish players...
very underwhelming from Utd and the players seem so "managers picks" that if it doesn't work out you're left again with a load of players to move on.
what is important is a clubs long term strategy, blended with dealing with immediate issues. Utd seem to lack that strategy behind the scenes, with some very haphazard buying, and are now going the other way, trusting a guy who may or may not be a success.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
Sancho maybe but rashford has had his chance and should be sold. He’s done. He won’t improve or be good enough to take us to a title
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Curious to know how you work that one out. Sancho has only had 1 season in the PL granted but got nowhere close to Rashford's best few seasons for us.
Sancho scored 2 PL goals last season. Yes that's right. Two. Rashford has scored that amount on one afternoon in the past for us.
Our signings will all be announced midweek according to my sources on what'll be known as Orange Wednesday.
comment by Lerradinho (U21557)
posted 18 minutes ago
One thing people might not know here is that ETH isn't the greatest judge of new signings. Got burned before with the likes of Daramy, Kundus etc who looked great in scouting reports. He's very much alike LVG (minus his incompatibility with SA and flair players in general) who's a great judge on players he's been watching in training and matches over a longer period (like youth players but also players on opposing teams in the league).
I would be much more fearfull as a fan if he was trting to sign French, Italian or Spanish players...
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Useful info. In that case, it seems that he's aware of the limitations of only using scouting reports and has more faith in his own eye in terms of what a player can do. Hopefully it's a wise move
very underwhelming from Utd
…….
We can’t all sign Richarlison.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
very underwhelming from Utd
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We can’t all sign Richarlison.
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We could done with his 8 goals and 6 yellow cards per season.
I’d worry about how he’ll compete in the air. His ball playing is excellent, though. That will really help us playing out from the back.
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Cristy has asked to leave the club if an offer comes in for him.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cristiano-ronaldo-tells-united-its-time-for-me-to-leave-6nm9smz6d
Sees Duncan Castles name. Immediately rejects anything in the article.
Aye but hasn’t he got close links to Mendes?
He was Mourinho’s mouthpiece.
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Lerradinho (U21557)
posted 18 minutes ago
One thing people might not know here is that ETH isn't the greatest judge of new signings. Got burned before with the likes of Daramy, Kundus etc who looked great in scouting reports. He's very much alike LVG (minus his incompatibility with SA and flair players in general) who's a great judge on players he's been watching in training and matches over a longer period (like youth players but also players on opposing teams in the league).
I would be much more fearfull as a fan if he was trting to sign French, Italian or Spanish players...
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Useful info. In that case, it seems that he's aware of the limitations of only using scouting reports and has more faith in his own eye in terms of what a player can do. Hopefully it's a wise move
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Yup, very much thats the case. Plus you cannot really scout how players react to direct/harsh feedback or instructions that are counter to your own nature or knowledge. That's like F. de Boer trying to teach Palace defs to build up like him in his prime or Villas Boas playing an ultra high line with Terry and question the lack of buy in...
Selling Ronaldo would be a good thing, though. We could get someone more suitable for high pressing football.
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posted on 2/7/22
Now this is a manager that thinks he can reproduce his farmer league result in the Premier League by just signing his former players, and we are making it to be more than it really is by saying things like he is getting the players he trusts to apply his philosophy. What I see is a manager who has no clue how big of a task he has on his hands.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by The-ComeBack-Kings (U18502)
posted 3 minutes ago
Now this is a manager that thinks he can reproduce his farmer league result in the Premier League by just signing his former players, and we are making it to be more than it really is by saying things like he is getting the players he trusts to apply his philosophy. What I see is a manager who has no clue how big of a task he has on his hands.
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Explain to me how you see this please? Given that we have not started the season yet or have a finished team or window for that matter.
posted on 2/7/22
Very curious about how this one pans out
posted on 2/7/22
I don't very much at all about the likes of Martinez, Malacia or Antony (& Timber I suppose), but is anyone else concerned that our apparent targets (I'll slightly exclude FDJ & Eriksen here - but only slightly), seem so far to be based on the wants/experience/knowledge of the new manager, rather than based on any sort of longer term scouting and analysis?
In other words, would we be after these players if ETH wasn't the manager?
On the one hand, it makes absolute sense to bring players in that the manager knows and trusts to carry out his philosophy & ideas. On the other, are we not risking being in a situation again whereby the current manager fails, and the next manager inherits players who don't fit whatever ideas he brings? The counter argument I suppose would be to ensure whoever the next manager is, their footballing blueprint is similar to ETH's.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by The-ComeBack-Kings (U18502)
posted 53 minutes ago
Now this is a manager that thinks he can reproduce his farmer league result in the Premier League by just signing his former players, and we are making it to be more than it really is by saying things like he is getting the players he trusts to apply his philosophy. What I see is a manager who has no clue how big of a task he has on his hands.
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He is picking the best players that have played under him. Not the full Ajax sqaud. Use your head man. Or are you saying that no-one that ETH had managed are good enough to play for us?
And when did Malacia play for him?
Please engage your brain before posting next time.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 17 minutes ago
I don't very much at all about the likes of Martinez, Malacia or Antony (& Timber I suppose), but is anyone else concerned that our apparent targets (I'll slightly exclude FDJ & Eriksen here - but only slightly), seem so far to be based on the wants/experience/knowledge of the new manager, rather than based on any sort of longer term scouting and analysis?
In other words, would we be after these players if ETH wasn't the manager?
On the one hand, it makes absolute sense to bring players in that the manager knows and trusts to carry out his philosophy & ideas. On the other, are we not risking being in a situation again whereby the current manager fails, and the next manager inherits players who don't fit whatever ideas he brings? The counter argument I suppose would be to ensure whoever the next manager is, their footballing blueprint is similar to ETH's.
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We moan enough about not getting players the manager wants normally
Shaw and Herrera weren't lvg signings... Jose never got what he wanted, he got Fred, Sanchez... Ole never wanted Donny, Amad etc
It's a risk either way
Malacia won't be first choice right away... De Jong most of us would like anyway. Eriksen makes sense (if not an exciting target) regardless of who's in charge
I'm not convinced we'll go for Antony given the fees quoted... But we do like a winger
Martinez is probably the "ETH only" signing.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 29 minutes ago
I don't very much at all about the likes of Martinez, Malacia or Antony (& Timber I suppose), but is anyone else concerned that our apparent targets (I'll slightly exclude FDJ & Eriksen here - but only slightly), seem so far to be based on the wants/experience/knowledge of the new manager, rather than based on any sort of longer term scouting and analysis?
In other words, would we be after these players if ETH wasn't the manager?
On the one hand, it makes absolute sense to bring players in that the manager knows and trusts to carry out his philosophy & ideas. On the other, are we not risking being in a situation again whereby the current manager fails, and the next manager inherits players who don't fit whatever ideas he brings? The counter argument I suppose would be to ensure whoever the next manager is, their footballing blueprint is similar to ETH's.
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No, it makes a ton of sense. Scouting and data analysis is just fact finding, if you have already done that or know the player then it won't be as necessary. Scouting is pretty much a game of predicting and the less you need to predict, the better. Its why elite clubs rarely buy and play unknown players. Its a big risk. Smaller clubs can take thst risk and the bigger club typically then buys them following them showing they can make a step. There are tons of examples of this and clubs such as Porto, Ajax and Dortmund pretty much focus their whole business model around the idea that they can take these risks and profit when it works out, whilst not risking an absolute meltdown if it doesn't and they have an off season.
Any time new people take over, they typically bring forward people they have worked with and trust. Happens in business all the time. Some of the hardest things to do when you take over a team are to get buy in and engagement. Having people who already know this are key and you want a certain number of people to help embed ideas, culture changes etc.
It's over simplified to reduce it to "its just lazy and going for people he used to work with". People saying this need to ask themselves why elite managers, CEOs, Directors etc across different industries all do this. Maybe the people asking the questions are ignorant and the people doing this know a little about how to plan and implement strategical changes within a business? Doesn't mean it will work everytime or always go well but they do it for a reason.
Hes looking to overhaul a club, both on and off the pitch. This will need buy in and mentality as well as getting to know people from all levels at the club, deal with the press, training, having meetings etc. He can't be everywhere, all the time. They will want people they know can come in, no fuss, who understand their ideas and work with it.
We have been moving towards a team philosophy rather than an individual one and the appointment of ETH is because we want to have a more dominant, possession based style of football. If ETH doesn't work out, we won't go for a Mourinho type, we will go for someone who has a similar method and style.
I would think it's why we didn't go for Conte. That appointment would be much more in line with your fears. Whilst we are bringing in players he has worked with, it isn't just a case of 'anyone will do'. There are specific players with quite specific skill sets that we are going for. If we can't get those targets (such as De Jong) then we will likely move on to players with similar attributes but that he hasn't worked with before (Vitinha was mooted as a possible FDJ alternative, for example)
If you take over as Head of Sales for a firm and the results have been poor for some time you're probably going to be bringing in some new elements of the hierarchy, such as a Sales Manager. Now, you can employ a completely new SM and rely on headhunting and a good interview process but if you've come from another business and you have worked with an SM there, who has a proven record of success in your model and culture, why would you not try and bring them over first? Then if you're unsuccessful you can move on to other candidates.
It lowers the risk of failure because you know what you are getting. Nothing is guaranteed and everything is essentially a prediction. You want to swing the possibility of success in your favour and will generally try to minimise risks and unknowns, especially at this stage where you are starting from scratch.
Tldr - not really, happens all the time across various industries. It's something I've experienced with every CEO/Director/Head change pretty much. I'm in my current role for this exact reason, someone went and took over another site and prioritised bringing me with them even though it meant the business fronted extra costs for things like moving and hotel etc.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
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The TLDR version is just the first line of what I said in my third paragraph.
Also, "It's over simplified to reduce it to "its just lazy and going for people he used to work with". People saying this need to ask themselves why elite managers, CEOs, Directors etc across different industries all do this."
I never said this.
The point is that we have a pretty horrendous recent history of lurching from one style of manager to another, with all the issues that has created within the playing personnel in terms of the mesh of players & their utility to a given manager. The footballing direction of the club has been all over the place for a decade now. It's why I said that whoever succeeds ETH needs to be cut from the same footballing cloth as much as possible.
There have also been changes upstairs, which will take a bit of time to bear fruit. So I hope past lessons have been learned.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
Sancho maybe but rashford has had his chance and should be sold. He’s done. He won’t improve or be good enough to take us to a title
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Calm down man.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by The-ComeBack-Kings (U18502)
posted 53 minutes ago
Now this is a manager that thinks he can reproduce his farmer league result in the Premier League by just signing his former players, and we are making it to be more than it really is by saying things like he is getting the players he trusts to apply his philosophy. What I see is a manager who has no clue how big of a task he has on his hands.
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He is picking the best players that have played under him. Not the full Ajax sqaud. Use your head man. Or are you saying that no-one that ETH had managed are good enough to play for us?
And when did Malacia play for him?
Please engage your brain before posting next time.
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What stands out in this clowns cretinous behavior is calling the Dutch league a farmers league. Seriously, how moronic is that.
posted on 2/7/22
One thing people might not know here is that ETH isn't the greatest judge of new signings. Got burned before with the likes of Daramy, Kundus etc who looked great in scouting reports. He's very much alike LVG (minus his incompatibility with SA and flair players in general) who's a great judge on players he's been watching in training and matches over a longer period (like youth players but also players on opposing teams in the league).
I would be much more fearfull as a fan if he was trting to sign French, Italian or Spanish players...
posted on 2/7/22
very underwhelming from Utd and the players seem so "managers picks" that if it doesn't work out you're left again with a load of players to move on.
what is important is a clubs long term strategy, blended with dealing with immediate issues. Utd seem to lack that strategy behind the scenes, with some very haphazard buying, and are now going the other way, trusting a guy who may or may not be a success.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
Sancho maybe but rashford has had his chance and should be sold. He’s done. He won’t improve or be good enough to take us to a title
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Curious to know how you work that one out. Sancho has only had 1 season in the PL granted but got nowhere close to Rashford's best few seasons for us.
Sancho scored 2 PL goals last season. Yes that's right. Two. Rashford has scored that amount on one afternoon in the past for us.
posted on 2/7/22
Our signings will all be announced midweek according to my sources on what'll be known as Orange Wednesday.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by Lerradinho (U21557)
posted 18 minutes ago
One thing people might not know here is that ETH isn't the greatest judge of new signings. Got burned before with the likes of Daramy, Kundus etc who looked great in scouting reports. He's very much alike LVG (minus his incompatibility with SA and flair players in general) who's a great judge on players he's been watching in training and matches over a longer period (like youth players but also players on opposing teams in the league).
I would be much more fearfull as a fan if he was trting to sign French, Italian or Spanish players...
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Useful info. In that case, it seems that he's aware of the limitations of only using scouting reports and has more faith in his own eye in terms of what a player can do. Hopefully it's a wise move
posted on 2/7/22
very underwhelming from Utd
…….
We can’t all sign Richarlison.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
very underwhelming from Utd
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We can’t all sign Richarlison.
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We could done with his 8 goals and 6 yellow cards per season.
posted on 2/7/22
I’d worry about how he’ll compete in the air. His ball playing is excellent, though. That will really help us playing out from the back.
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posted on 2/7/22
Cristy has asked to leave the club if an offer comes in for him.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cristiano-ronaldo-tells-united-its-time-for-me-to-leave-6nm9smz6d
posted on 2/7/22
Sees Duncan Castles name. Immediately rejects anything in the article.
posted on 2/7/22
Aye but hasn’t he got close links to Mendes?
posted on 2/7/22
He was Mourinho’s mouthpiece.
posted on 2/7/22
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Lerradinho (U21557)
posted 18 minutes ago
One thing people might not know here is that ETH isn't the greatest judge of new signings. Got burned before with the likes of Daramy, Kundus etc who looked great in scouting reports. He's very much alike LVG (minus his incompatibility with SA and flair players in general) who's a great judge on players he's been watching in training and matches over a longer period (like youth players but also players on opposing teams in the league).
I would be much more fearfull as a fan if he was trting to sign French, Italian or Spanish players...
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Useful info. In that case, it seems that he's aware of the limitations of only using scouting reports and has more faith in his own eye in terms of what a player can do. Hopefully it's a wise move
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Yup, very much thats the case. Plus you cannot really scout how players react to direct/harsh feedback or instructions that are counter to your own nature or knowledge. That's like F. de Boer trying to teach Palace defs to build up like him in his prime or Villas Boas playing an ultra high line with Terry and question the lack of buy in...
posted on 2/7/22
Selling Ronaldo would be a good thing, though. We could get someone more suitable for high pressing football.
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