There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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posted 32 minutes ago
Rumours are we are after some French international midfielder at juve, a tall creative player.
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He is utter $hite.
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posted 3 minutes ago
There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Rumours are we are after some French international midfielder at juve, a tall creative player.
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Ed is gone; we can rule that one out
Either of Tonali or Bennacer at Milan would potentially be options. I expect Tonali would be insanely expensive, and probably unlikely to want to move right now though.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 3 minutes ago
There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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Yeah, that’s the whole point.
If he stays, he won’t be accepting a pay cut. He’d (rightly) be telling them to fack off.
Why the fack would he let them mug him off again?
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 3 minutes ago
There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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Exactly
then baca are screwed paying big wages and scrambling to sell other players to balance out wage gap so that they can register all their new signings
What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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This is the 17m question. At that point does he screw over his DREAM club for the sake of net difference of his old contract vs new?
What is most likely to happen is Barca will fiddle some numbers make it seem like he is on 100k and give him XYZ to make up for the shortfall and he stays. This seems a lot more logical than him signing United against his and the managers wishes seeing as Xavi has made it very clear he wants him to stay.
OP appears to be overlooking the fact that the player has a lot of leverage here. Barcelona doesn't have much. The only powerful argument they have (as per Rosso's earlier comment) is that they can credibly say they can't afford to pay FDJ. Even then, it's a bit rich of them saying so when they've just shelled out on Lewandowski & Raphinha.
There really isn't a viable alternative to FDJ, that's why ETH said they would train one up themselves (Zidane or another youngster). The ones that come close are Neves (overpriced AF), Tonali (AC Milan not gonna sell and him being Italian...), Tchouameni (snapped up by Real).
So FDJ it is and I believe he'll 100% be sold this window because it's inevitable in many ways. But Barca is so incompetent nowadays that I can see them scr3wing it up almost like how Brexit has ended up.
His situation is also quite similar as that of Fabregas (future Xavi replacement vs Busquets). Both senior players are better and didn't drop off enough so they get shunted out to another position and are not played to their strenghts.
On top of that he's getting scr3wed over financially twice: accepted a huge wage cut/defference no questions asked because it's his dream club, no exit clauses to safeguard himself because he trusted the club.
Then Barca stabs him and the others in the back by massively paying off Auba, Ferran, Kessie, Lewa with 'his/their' money. And has the gall to try to force him out for top value so his future club has less money remaining to pay him salaries/bonii while at the same time evades paying him his deferred money which in hindsight seems like the plan all along.
Yeah, he absolutely has to leave, but as a player it would be equally satisfying to not go and scr3w them over instead. I mean I would and I'm a career/glory hunter
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posted 1 minute ago
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There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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Yeah, that’s the whole point.
If he stays, he won’t be accepting a pay cut. He’d (rightly) be telling them to fack off.
Why the fack would he let them mug him off again?
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Whilst I'd love him at United a part of me would like him to stay at Barca and screw them over!
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posted 6 minutes ago
There really isn't a viable alternative to FDJ, that's why ETH said they would train one up themselves (Zidane or another youngster). The ones that come close are Neves (overpriced AF), Tonali (AC Milan not gonna sell and him being Italian...), Tchouameni (snapped up by Real).
So FDJ it is and I believe he'll 100% be sold this window because it's inevitable in many ways. But Barca is so incompetent nowadays that I can see them scr3wing it up almost like how Brexit has ended up.
His situation is also quite similar as that of Fabregas (future Xavi replacement vs Busquets). Both senior players are better and didn't drop off enough so they get shunted out to another position and are not played to their strenghts.
On top of that he's getting scr3wed over financially twice: accepted a huge wage cut/defference no questions asked because it's his dream club, no exit clauses to safeguard himself because he trusted the club.
Then Barca stabs him and the others in the back by massively paying off Auba, Ferran, Kessie, Lewa with 'his/their' money. And has the gall to try to force him out for top value so his future club has less money remaining to pay him salaries/bonii while at the same time evades paying him his deferred money which in hindsight seems like the plan all along.
Yeah, he absolutely has to leave, but as a player it would be equally satisfying to not go and scr3w them over instead. I mean I would and I'm a career/glory hunter
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to perform an act of spectacular self-sabotage resulting in unmitigable and irreversible long-term self-harm.
"Barca have really Brexited the De Jong situation up."
Really should have entered the lexicon by now.
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comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
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There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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I'd be curious to know what the real obstacle is. If it was just the deferred wages, then surely the logical point of agreement would be for Barça to pay the difference between his original deal and the deferred payments up to the wages he ought to have received at this point in time in his contract.
Perhaps Barça don't want to honour that much, but it could also be FDJ is demanding a payout based on the entire duration of his contract.
Or are either of those scenarios known not to be the case?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
OP appears to be overlooking the fact that the player has a lot of leverage here. Barcelona doesn't have much. The only powerful argument they have (as per Rosso's earlier comment) is that they can credibly say they can't afford to pay FDJ. Even then, it's a bit rich of them saying so when they've just shelled out on Lewandowski & Raphinha.
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The latter would be a bit weird, wouldn’t it?
I think it’s most likely the former (which is what the chatter all seems to be about), with the sticking point being Barça not wanting to pay up and set a (potentially legal) precedent, given that the majority of their squad now has a deferred payments salary structure. (Because the club is still run by môrons.)
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
OP appears to be overlooking the fact that the player has a lot of leverage here. Barcelona doesn't have much. The only powerful argument they have (as per Rosso's earlier comment) is that they can credibly say they can't afford to pay FDJ. Even then, it's a bit rich of them saying so when they've just shelled out on Lewandowski & Raphinha.
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The latter would be a bit weird, wouldn’t it?
I think it’s most likely the former (which is what the chatter all seems to be about), with the sticking point being Barça not wanting to pay up and set a (potentially legal) precedent, given that the majority of their squad now has a deferred payments salary structure. (Because the club is still run by môrons.)
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Speaking of môrons, I’ve replied to the wrong comment here
^ That was for IOAG.
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to Brexit [something] up
verb
to perform an act of spectacular self-sabotage resulting in unmitigable and irreversible long-term self-harm.
"Barca have really Brexited the De Jong situation up."
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It is for me and once you are aware of it it is ubiquitous. Had a client once refusing to set up a careers page because f@ck living in this new and scary century right? Then a year later came complaining to me that their main competitor have massively taken over their own/specific google adword (paid) and organic search traffic, and as a result have a hard time filling hires. I noped the f out of that request to try and fix their mess...
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
OP appears to be overlooking the fact that the player has a lot of leverage here. Barcelona doesn't have much. The only powerful argument they have (as per Rosso's earlier comment) is that they can credibly say they can't afford to pay FDJ. Even then, it's a bit rich of them saying so when they've just shelled out on Lewandowski & Raphinha.
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The latter would be a bit weird, wouldn’t it?
I think it’s most likely the former (which is what the chatter all seems to be about), with the sticking point being Barça not wanting to pay up and set a (potentially legal) precedent, given that the majority of their squad now has a deferred payments salary structure. (Because the club is still run by môrons.)
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Maybe being simplistic here but he'll be on good wages at United I presume. Couldn't Barca pay the difference between the wages he'd be on at United compared to what he should have received at Barca?
Jeez, I don't know. What a mess.
@Rosso, why would it be weird though?
FDJ is clearly in a strong position to negotiate, as it’s no secret that the club wants and needs rid. Why shouldn’t he try to make the most of the circumstances? It seems that the club’s only other options would be to de-register or loan him, if indeed that’s even possible, but the former would be a terrible look for the club (albeit also an undesirable situation for the player) and the latter could only happen with his consent, so he might always be banking on them eventually blinking.
There’s also a further possibility regards the current state of affairs, which is that both parties are or have been duckheads at some point and that the other party is stubbornly refusing out of pride a deal that might ultimately be beneficial to them.
Whatever tf Barça are up to behind the scenes and more generally in relation to their dealings in this window, it does give the impression that it’s partly related to Laporta’s own narcissism, but I don’t think it’s automatically to be assumed that they’re short-changing the player in this particular case.
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posted 6 minutes ago
@Rosso, why would it be weird though?
FDJ is clearly in a strong position to negotiate, as it’s no secret that the club wants and needs rid. Why shouldn’t he try to make the most of the circumstances? It seems that the club’s only other options would be to de-register or loan him, if indeed that’s even possible, but the former would be a terrible look for the club (albeit also an undesirable situation for the player) and the latter could only happen with his consent, so he might always be banking on them eventually blinking.
There’s also a further possibility regards the current state of affairs, which is that both parties are or have been duckheads at some point and that the other party is stubbornly refusing out of pride a deal that might ultimately be beneficial to them.
Whatever tf Barça are up to behind the scenes and more generally in relation to their dealings in this window, it does give the impression that it’s partly related to Laporta’s own narcissism, but I don’t think it’s automatically to be assumed that they’re short-changing the player in this particular case.
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I just don’t remember hearing about a player doing it before.
Asking to be paid up to date what was originally agreed between club and player is one thing; asking to be paid as yet unearned wages under any previous agreement would be quite another.
It’s not impossible I guess, but I wouldn’t imagine United will have offered him any less than he’s currently being paid; and you’d think he’d be happy enough being paid up to date, then moving to a club comfortably able to pay him in timely fashion going forwards on the same kind of money.
Whilst you’re here, IOAG, firstly, hi Hope you’re good.
Secondly, as a Madrid fan, do you worry at all about La Liga becoming a one team league?
If Laporta’s gamble fails, Barça could be in loads of trouble short to medium term, as well as being financially hamstrung with TV and retail revenue significantly reduced for a generation, and with the possibility they’d see the debt start to rise again having just mortgaged their future to get a grasp on it. Their wage bill is obviously still a dangerous problem, and something of a ticking bomb given they’ve back-loaded tons of players’ contracts now.
The Real-Barça rivalry has kind of helped keep an otherwise relatively uncompetitive La Liga interesting for the rest of the world, and if Barça slip (or plummet) away, is there a danger that not only does the league become even less interesting (cf. Bundesliga, Ligue Un) for Spanish fans, but also the global revenue might dry up leaving La Liga even further behind the PL?
Well enough I suppose, mildly concerned at the idea of this mainland heat lasting another month and, beyond that, of it becoming the new normal for 3-4 months a year. It’s nothing like this in the Western Canaries, but I’m also under the impression that the trade winds are becoming somewhat less prevalent in recent times. Without them the islands would just be a western outcrop of the Sahara desert.
Oh sorry, your question...
It matters little in the grand scheme, but my one unfulfilled football dream would be to see Barça relegated. I’m not invested enough in LaLiga to put it above or ahead of my dreams.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
Oh sorry, your question...
It matters little in the grand scheme, but my one unfulfilled football dream would be to see Barça relegated. I’m not invested enough in LaLiga to put it above or ahead of my dreams.
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Hahahahaha, fair enough.
Few tears would be shed outside Catalunya I expect
Where I think some of you guys are missing something is that he may be negotiating to cut his wage even further so he can stay at Barca.
Whether he can do it enough remains to be seen.
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posted on 22/7/22
There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
posted on 22/7/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 32 minutes ago
Rumours are we are after some French international midfielder at juve, a tall creative player.
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Rabiot?
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He is utter $hite.
posted on 22/7/22
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 3 minutes ago
There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
posted on 22/7/22
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Rumours are we are after some French international midfielder at juve, a tall creative player.
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Ed is gone; we can rule that one out
Either of Tonali or Bennacer at Milan would potentially be options. I expect Tonali would be insanely expensive, and probably unlikely to want to move right now though.
posted on 22/7/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 3 minutes ago
There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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Yeah, that’s the whole point.
If he stays, he won’t be accepting a pay cut. He’d (rightly) be telling them to fack off.
Why the fack would he let them mug him off again?
posted on 22/7/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 3 minutes ago
There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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Exactly
then baca are screwed paying big wages and scrambling to sell other players to balance out wage gap so that they can register all their new signings
posted on 22/7/22
What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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This is the 17m question. At that point does he screw over his DREAM club for the sake of net difference of his old contract vs new?
What is most likely to happen is Barca will fiddle some numbers make it seem like he is on 100k and give him XYZ to make up for the shortfall and he stays. This seems a lot more logical than him signing United against his and the managers wishes seeing as Xavi has made it very clear he wants him to stay.
posted on 22/7/22
OP appears to be overlooking the fact that the player has a lot of leverage here. Barcelona doesn't have much. The only powerful argument they have (as per Rosso's earlier comment) is that they can credibly say they can't afford to pay FDJ. Even then, it's a bit rich of them saying so when they've just shelled out on Lewandowski & Raphinha.
posted on 22/7/22
There really isn't a viable alternative to FDJ, that's why ETH said they would train one up themselves (Zidane or another youngster). The ones that come close are Neves (overpriced AF), Tonali (AC Milan not gonna sell and him being Italian...), Tchouameni (snapped up by Real).
So FDJ it is and I believe he'll 100% be sold this window because it's inevitable in many ways. But Barca is so incompetent nowadays that I can see them scr3wing it up almost like how Brexit has ended up.
His situation is also quite similar as that of Fabregas (future Xavi replacement vs Busquets). Both senior players are better and didn't drop off enough so they get shunted out to another position and are not played to their strenghts.
On top of that he's getting scr3wed over financially twice: accepted a huge wage cut/defference no questions asked because it's his dream club, no exit clauses to safeguard himself because he trusted the club.
Then Barca stabs him and the others in the back by massively paying off Auba, Ferran, Kessie, Lewa with 'his/their' money. And has the gall to try to force him out for top value so his future club has less money remaining to pay him salaries/bonii while at the same time evades paying him his deferred money which in hindsight seems like the plan all along.
Yeah, he absolutely has to leave, but as a player it would be equally satisfying to not go and scr3w them over instead. I mean I would and I'm a career/glory hunter
posted on 22/7/22
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posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 3 minutes ago
There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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Yeah, that’s the whole point.
If he stays, he won’t be accepting a pay cut. He’d (rightly) be telling them to fack off.
Why the fack would he let them mug him off again?
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Whilst I'd love him at United a part of me would like him to stay at Barca and screw them over!
posted on 22/7/22
comment by Lerradinho (U21557)
posted 6 minutes ago
There really isn't a viable alternative to FDJ, that's why ETH said they would train one up themselves (Zidane or another youngster). The ones that come close are Neves (overpriced AF), Tonali (AC Milan not gonna sell and him being Italian...), Tchouameni (snapped up by Real).
So FDJ it is and I believe he'll 100% be sold this window because it's inevitable in many ways. But Barca is so incompetent nowadays that I can see them scr3wing it up almost like how Brexit has ended up.
His situation is also quite similar as that of Fabregas (future Xavi replacement vs Busquets). Both senior players are better and didn't drop off enough so they get shunted out to another position and are not played to their strenghts.
On top of that he's getting scr3wed over financially twice: accepted a huge wage cut/defference no questions asked because it's his dream club, no exit clauses to safeguard himself because he trusted the club.
Then Barca stabs him and the others in the back by massively paying off Auba, Ferran, Kessie, Lewa with 'his/their' money. And has the gall to try to force him out for top value so his future club has less money remaining to pay him salaries/bonii while at the same time evades paying him his deferred money which in hindsight seems like the plan all along.
Yeah, he absolutely has to leave, but as a player it would be equally satisfying to not go and scr3w them over instead. I mean I would and I'm a career/glory hunter
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to Brexit [something] up
verb
to perform an act of spectacular self-sabotage resulting in unmitigable and irreversible long-term self-harm.
"Barca have really Brexited the De Jong situation up."
Really should have entered the lexicon by now.
posted on 22/7/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 3 minutes ago
There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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posted on 22/7/22
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 3 minutes ago
There seems to be confusion about "deferred wages"
People seem to think if he leaves tomorrow Barca owe him whatever he deferred. From what I have read that is not the case, he would only be owed that if he see's out his contract but he is saying if you force me out pay me what I deferred and Barca are rightly saying no that wasn't the agreement.
In addition they are telling him that we can only keep you if you agree a massive pay cut. Whatever happens here FDJ either will stay at his dream club on 50% of the pay or "lose" 17m he feels he might be owed and play for a club he has no desire to join. Lose lose for the player.
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What if he decides to stay and won't accept the pay cut?
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posted on 22/7/22
I'd be curious to know what the real obstacle is. If it was just the deferred wages, then surely the logical point of agreement would be for Barça to pay the difference between his original deal and the deferred payments up to the wages he ought to have received at this point in time in his contract.
Perhaps Barça don't want to honour that much, but it could also be FDJ is demanding a payout based on the entire duration of his contract.
Or are either of those scenarios known not to be the case?
posted on 22/7/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
OP appears to be overlooking the fact that the player has a lot of leverage here. Barcelona doesn't have much. The only powerful argument they have (as per Rosso's earlier comment) is that they can credibly say they can't afford to pay FDJ. Even then, it's a bit rich of them saying so when they've just shelled out on Lewandowski & Raphinha.
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The latter would be a bit weird, wouldn’t it?
I think it’s most likely the former (which is what the chatter all seems to be about), with the sticking point being Barça not wanting to pay up and set a (potentially legal) precedent, given that the majority of their squad now has a deferred payments salary structure. (Because the club is still run by môrons.)
posted on 22/7/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
OP appears to be overlooking the fact that the player has a lot of leverage here. Barcelona doesn't have much. The only powerful argument they have (as per Rosso's earlier comment) is that they can credibly say they can't afford to pay FDJ. Even then, it's a bit rich of them saying so when they've just shelled out on Lewandowski & Raphinha.
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The latter would be a bit weird, wouldn’t it?
I think it’s most likely the former (which is what the chatter all seems to be about), with the sticking point being Barça not wanting to pay up and set a (potentially legal) precedent, given that the majority of their squad now has a deferred payments salary structure. (Because the club is still run by môrons.)
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Speaking of môrons, I’ve replied to the wrong comment here
^ That was for IOAG.
posted on 22/7/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
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to Brexit [something] up
verb
to perform an act of spectacular self-sabotage resulting in unmitigable and irreversible long-term self-harm.
"Barca have really Brexited the De Jong situation up."
Really should have entered the lexicon by now.
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It is for me and once you are aware of it it is ubiquitous. Had a client once refusing to set up a careers page because f@ck living in this new and scary century right? Then a year later came complaining to me that their main competitor have massively taken over their own/specific google adword (paid) and organic search traffic, and as a result have a hard time filling hires. I noped the f out of that request to try and fix their mess...
posted on 22/7/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
OP appears to be overlooking the fact that the player has a lot of leverage here. Barcelona doesn't have much. The only powerful argument they have (as per Rosso's earlier comment) is that they can credibly say they can't afford to pay FDJ. Even then, it's a bit rich of them saying so when they've just shelled out on Lewandowski & Raphinha.
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The latter would be a bit weird, wouldn’t it?
I think it’s most likely the former (which is what the chatter all seems to be about), with the sticking point being Barça not wanting to pay up and set a (potentially legal) precedent, given that the majority of their squad now has a deferred payments salary structure. (Because the club is still run by môrons.)
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Maybe being simplistic here but he'll be on good wages at United I presume. Couldn't Barca pay the difference between the wages he'd be on at United compared to what he should have received at Barca?
Jeez, I don't know. What a mess.
posted on 22/7/22
@Rosso, why would it be weird though?
FDJ is clearly in a strong position to negotiate, as it’s no secret that the club wants and needs rid. Why shouldn’t he try to make the most of the circumstances? It seems that the club’s only other options would be to de-register or loan him, if indeed that’s even possible, but the former would be a terrible look for the club (albeit also an undesirable situation for the player) and the latter could only happen with his consent, so he might always be banking on them eventually blinking.
There’s also a further possibility regards the current state of affairs, which is that both parties are or have been duckheads at some point and that the other party is stubbornly refusing out of pride a deal that might ultimately be beneficial to them.
Whatever tf Barça are up to behind the scenes and more generally in relation to their dealings in this window, it does give the impression that it’s partly related to Laporta’s own narcissism, but I don’t think it’s automatically to be assumed that they’re short-changing the player in this particular case.
posted on 22/7/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
@Rosso, why would it be weird though?
FDJ is clearly in a strong position to negotiate, as it’s no secret that the club wants and needs rid. Why shouldn’t he try to make the most of the circumstances? It seems that the club’s only other options would be to de-register or loan him, if indeed that’s even possible, but the former would be a terrible look for the club (albeit also an undesirable situation for the player) and the latter could only happen with his consent, so he might always be banking on them eventually blinking.
There’s also a further possibility regards the current state of affairs, which is that both parties are or have been duckheads at some point and that the other party is stubbornly refusing out of pride a deal that might ultimately be beneficial to them.
Whatever tf Barça are up to behind the scenes and more generally in relation to their dealings in this window, it does give the impression that it’s partly related to Laporta’s own narcissism, but I don’t think it’s automatically to be assumed that they’re short-changing the player in this particular case.
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I just don’t remember hearing about a player doing it before.
Asking to be paid up to date what was originally agreed between club and player is one thing; asking to be paid as yet unearned wages under any previous agreement would be quite another.
It’s not impossible I guess, but I wouldn’t imagine United will have offered him any less than he’s currently being paid; and you’d think he’d be happy enough being paid up to date, then moving to a club comfortably able to pay him in timely fashion going forwards on the same kind of money.
posted on 22/7/22
Whilst you’re here, IOAG, firstly, hi Hope you’re good.
Secondly, as a Madrid fan, do you worry at all about La Liga becoming a one team league?
If Laporta’s gamble fails, Barça could be in loads of trouble short to medium term, as well as being financially hamstrung with TV and retail revenue significantly reduced for a generation, and with the possibility they’d see the debt start to rise again having just mortgaged their future to get a grasp on it. Their wage bill is obviously still a dangerous problem, and something of a ticking bomb given they’ve back-loaded tons of players’ contracts now.
The Real-Barça rivalry has kind of helped keep an otherwise relatively uncompetitive La Liga interesting for the rest of the world, and if Barça slip (or plummet) away, is there a danger that not only does the league become even less interesting (cf. Bundesliga, Ligue Un) for Spanish fans, but also the global revenue might dry up leaving La Liga even further behind the PL?
posted on 22/7/22
Well enough I suppose, mildly concerned at the idea of this mainland heat lasting another month and, beyond that, of it becoming the new normal for 3-4 months a year. It’s nothing like this in the Western Canaries, but I’m also under the impression that the trade winds are becoming somewhat less prevalent in recent times. Without them the islands would just be a western outcrop of the Sahara desert.
posted on 22/7/22
Oh sorry, your question...
It matters little in the grand scheme, but my one unfulfilled football dream would be to see Barça relegated. I’m not invested enough in LaLiga to put it above or ahead of my dreams.
posted on 22/7/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
Oh sorry, your question...
It matters little in the grand scheme, but my one unfulfilled football dream would be to see Barça relegated. I’m not invested enough in LaLiga to put it above or ahead of my dreams.
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Hahahahaha, fair enough.
Few tears would be shed outside Catalunya I expect
posted on 22/7/22
Where I think some of you guys are missing something is that he may be negotiating to cut his wage even further so he can stay at Barca.
Whether he can do it enough remains to be seen.
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