It is a bit of both with Hamilton. Same as it was with Shumacher. You have to have the talent to drive the car.
Oh I’m aware.
But he has a history of blaming the team and car when he loses, yet claiming sole responsibility for his wins.
His fanboys always dismiss the processions he had up until last season when red bull finally got a car to compete
Op clearly doesn't understand F1
Shock news the best car wins races
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh I’m aware.
But he has a history of blaming the team and car when he loses, yet claiming sole responsibility for his wins.
His fanboys always dismiss the processions he had up until last season when red bull finally got a car to compete
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Tell me you don’t watch F1 without telling me you don’t watch F1
He thanks the team after every victory
The Mercedes car hasn’t been competitive this season, even with that in mind, he’s probably been the most in form driver the past couple of races.
Yes you need a good car to win a race, that goes without saying.
In most of his wins I have seen in the last five or six years he has come on the radio in his warm down lap and thanked the team for their hard work.
I can only assume you don’t like Bamilton and don’t actually watch F1.
If you have the best car you still have to get it round the circuit for 2 hours, in the lead on the last lap.
This is why he will never be as good a sportsman as someone like Phil Taylor.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 seconds ago
This is why he will never be as good a sportsman as someone like Phil Taylor.
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or the guy who won Olympic Gold playing bowls smoking a pipe.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
It is a bit of both with Hamilton. Same as it was with Shumacher. You have to have the talent to drive the car.
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This. Max wouldn't be winning races in that Merc either. Hamilton has been driving superbly over the last 5 or 6 races. Consistently outperforming the extremely talented George Russell, but that's still only ever going to be best of the rest, relative to the Ferraris and Red Bulls.
Would he have less world titles in equal machinery? I don't know. But he'd still have been consistently winning races and challenging
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I’m aware.
But he has a history of blaming the team and car when he loses, yet claiming sole responsibility for his wins.
His fanboys always dismiss the processions he had up until last season when red bull finally got a car to compete
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I believe you are 100% wrong. After every win he praises the team.
Also, of course you need the car, but he showed from his go-kart days he had serious talent. He is a great driver.
The extreme importance of the car does is make it nigh on impossible to compare the best drivers in this era, let alone bygone days. I grew up a massive Ferrari and Schumacher fan and when he broke all the records, it didn't mean he was better than Senna or Prost, for example. It didn't even mean he was necessarily better than Mika (though he was)
Hamilton is a Great. Statues need to built.
Hamilton has out-performed Russell in only 4 of the 11 races. How is that consistent?
Hamilton is probably the 2nd best driver of my lifetime after Schumacher
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I’m aware.
But he has a history of blaming the team and car when he loses, yet claiming sole responsibility for his wins.
His fanboys always dismiss the processions he had up until last season when red bull finally got a car to compete
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I believe you are 100% wrong. After every win he praises the team.
Also, of course you need the car, but he showed from his go-kart days he had serious talent. He is a great driver.
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So when he cried that Mercedes’ didn’t give him an equal opportunity with Rosberg and that was the reason he lost in 2016?
He sends hollow thanks on his warm down then proceeds in every interview both on race days and beyond to talk about himself like he’s a god.
There was that 8 season study done for the season of 12-20 which showed that the driver was far less impactful for teams with big budgets than it was for teams with tiny budgets.
Essentially stating 95% of output from hamiltons car was due to Mercedes’ and 5 percent Hamilton.
Contrasted with Aston Martin where the driver was responsible for 40% of the success.
Needless to say, Sir Lewis refuted that saying you couldn’t just put anyone in our car and they’d get success.
Then he got Covid and a rookie took his car to the front row.
Now that he’s not in the car with a clear advantage over everyone and he’s having to accept not cruising to victory he wants to cry poor me.
7 years of denying the car made that big a difference now apparently it does and his god like powers are powerless to do anything about it.
Humility or lack thereof has a tendency to come back to bite you
nothing changes the fact he was robbed of another title last year.
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hamilton has out-performed Russell in only 4 of the 11 races. How is that consistent?
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He's consistently outperformed him over the last 5 or 6 races. He may not have always finished ahead of him but has been faster than him in all of them, without fail.
stuck them all in the exact same car and my money would be on hamilton out of that lot
comment by #TopLad || Sir Alex Ferguson ||✓ (U10161)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamilton is probably the 2nd best driver of my lifetime after Schumacher
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Yeah agree
Hamilton has out-performed Russell in only 4 of the 11 races. How is that consistent?
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamilton has out-performed Russell in only 4 of the 11 races. How is that consistent?
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Because I didn't say he'd outperformed him all season. I said he'd outperformed him in the most recent races. When did I mention 11 races? Seeing as you latched onto my comment, you probably should have read it, eh? He'll beat him again tomorrow too
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 8 minutes ago
nothing changes the fact he was robbed of another title last year.
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Indeed.
He was the youngest winner of an F1 title. Nikki Lauda called him the best he had seen.
I've never heard him refer to himself as Godlike.
He is the real thing.
Likeable? To me yes, to you no. But if you think he only won because he had the best car, then I suppose you think Lester Pigott only won because he had the best horses.
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posted on 23/7/22
It is a bit of both with Hamilton. Same as it was with Shumacher. You have to have the talent to drive the car.
posted on 23/7/22
Oh I’m aware.
But he has a history of blaming the team and car when he loses, yet claiming sole responsibility for his wins.
His fanboys always dismiss the processions he had up until last season when red bull finally got a car to compete
posted on 23/7/22
Op clearly doesn't understand F1
posted on 23/7/22
Shock news the best car wins races
posted on 23/7/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh I’m aware.
But he has a history of blaming the team and car when he loses, yet claiming sole responsibility for his wins.
His fanboys always dismiss the processions he had up until last season when red bull finally got a car to compete
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell me you don’t watch F1 without telling me you don’t watch F1
He thanks the team after every victory
posted on 23/7/22
The Mercedes car hasn’t been competitive this season, even with that in mind, he’s probably been the most in form driver the past couple of races.
Yes you need a good car to win a race, that goes without saying.
posted on 23/7/22
In most of his wins I have seen in the last five or six years he has come on the radio in his warm down lap and thanked the team for their hard work.
I can only assume you don’t like Bamilton and don’t actually watch F1.
posted on 23/7/22
If you have the best car you still have to get it round the circuit for 2 hours, in the lead on the last lap.
posted on 23/7/22
This is why he will never be as good a sportsman as someone like Phil Taylor.
posted on 23/7/22
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 seconds ago
This is why he will never be as good a sportsman as someone like Phil Taylor.
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or the guy who won Olympic Gold playing bowls smoking a pipe.
posted on 23/7/22
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
It is a bit of both with Hamilton. Same as it was with Shumacher. You have to have the talent to drive the car.
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This. Max wouldn't be winning races in that Merc either. Hamilton has been driving superbly over the last 5 or 6 races. Consistently outperforming the extremely talented George Russell, but that's still only ever going to be best of the rest, relative to the Ferraris and Red Bulls.
Would he have less world titles in equal machinery? I don't know. But he'd still have been consistently winning races and challenging
posted on 23/7/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I’m aware.
But he has a history of blaming the team and car when he loses, yet claiming sole responsibility for his wins.
His fanboys always dismiss the processions he had up until last season when red bull finally got a car to compete
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I believe you are 100% wrong. After every win he praises the team.
Also, of course you need the car, but he showed from his go-kart days he had serious talent. He is a great driver.
posted on 23/7/22
The extreme importance of the car does is make it nigh on impossible to compare the best drivers in this era, let alone bygone days. I grew up a massive Ferrari and Schumacher fan and when he broke all the records, it didn't mean he was better than Senna or Prost, for example. It didn't even mean he was necessarily better than Mika (though he was)
posted on 23/7/22
Hamilton is a Great. Statues need to built.
posted on 23/7/22
Hamilton has out-performed Russell in only 4 of the 11 races. How is that consistent?
posted on 23/7/22
Hamilton is probably the 2nd best driver of my lifetime after Schumacher
posted on 23/7/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I’m aware.
But he has a history of blaming the team and car when he loses, yet claiming sole responsibility for his wins.
His fanboys always dismiss the processions he had up until last season when red bull finally got a car to compete
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I believe you are 100% wrong. After every win he praises the team.
Also, of course you need the car, but he showed from his go-kart days he had serious talent. He is a great driver.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So when he cried that Mercedes’ didn’t give him an equal opportunity with Rosberg and that was the reason he lost in 2016?
He sends hollow thanks on his warm down then proceeds in every interview both on race days and beyond to talk about himself like he’s a god.
There was that 8 season study done for the season of 12-20 which showed that the driver was far less impactful for teams with big budgets than it was for teams with tiny budgets.
Essentially stating 95% of output from hamiltons car was due to Mercedes’ and 5 percent Hamilton.
Contrasted with Aston Martin where the driver was responsible for 40% of the success.
Needless to say, Sir Lewis refuted that saying you couldn’t just put anyone in our car and they’d get success.
Then he got Covid and a rookie took his car to the front row.
Now that he’s not in the car with a clear advantage over everyone and he’s having to accept not cruising to victory he wants to cry poor me.
7 years of denying the car made that big a difference now apparently it does and his god like powers are powerless to do anything about it.
Humility or lack thereof has a tendency to come back to bite you
posted on 23/7/22
nothing changes the fact he was robbed of another title last year.
posted on 23/7/22
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hamilton has out-performed Russell in only 4 of the 11 races. How is that consistent?
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He's consistently outperformed him over the last 5 or 6 races. He may not have always finished ahead of him but has been faster than him in all of them, without fail.
posted on 23/7/22
stuck them all in the exact same car and my money would be on hamilton out of that lot
posted on 23/7/22
comment by #TopLad || Sir Alex Ferguson ||✓ (U10161)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamilton is probably the 2nd best driver of my lifetime after Schumacher
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Yeah agree
posted on 23/7/22
Hamilton has out-performed Russell in only 4 of the 11 races. How is that consistent?
posted on 23/7/22
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamilton has out-performed Russell in only 4 of the 11 races. How is that consistent?
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Because I didn't say he'd outperformed him all season. I said he'd outperformed him in the most recent races. When did I mention 11 races? Seeing as you latched onto my comment, you probably should have read it, eh? He'll beat him again tomorrow too
posted on 23/7/22
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 8 minutes ago
nothing changes the fact he was robbed of another title last year.
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Indeed.
posted on 23/7/22
He was the youngest winner of an F1 title. Nikki Lauda called him the best he had seen.
I've never heard him refer to himself as Godlike.
He is the real thing.
Likeable? To me yes, to you no. But if you think he only won because he had the best car, then I suppose you think Lester Pigott only won because he had the best horses.
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