Completely agree.

Honestly where would rashford go if we put him up for sale? Welbeck is still better than him

What our fans don't understand is that there isn't a single solution. Now, people think if we replace McTominat and Fred, we'll have a good side.

Last summer, we signed Ronnie, Sancho and Verane, people thought we could challange for a title.

If you built a strong side creating chances, Ronaldo scores goals. He's far from the biggest problem we have and the fact he's pished off and wants to leave suggests his team mates are not up to his idea of a good standard.

The season is already lost anyway with bad transfers so I would say it is a moot point now to discuss whether we are better of with Ronaldo staying or not. Will scrap 7th/8th come May.

comment by MUFCdan (U1463)
posted 5 minutes ago
Completely agree.

Honestly where would rashford go if we put him up for sale? Welbeck is still better than him
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he had a great game tbf didn't he

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
What our fans don't understand is that there isn't a single solution. Now, people think if we replace McTominat and Fred, we'll have a good side.

Last summer, we signed Ronnie, Sancho and Verane, people thought we could challange for a title.

If you built a strong side creating chances, Ronaldo scores goals. He's far from the biggest problem we have and the fact he's pished off and wants to leave suggests his team mates are not up to his idea of a good standard.
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This is the issue. Ronaldo has become a problem because he needs the team to play a certain way. Even yesterday when we switched formation at half time we looked better but Ronaldo still struggled as he lacks any pace now and literally needs the ball at his feet or head. Give him that and he'll finish but our midfield is pants as we already know but the board instead of addressing that have cracked about with FDJ all summer.

I'd imagine we could have got bissouma or rice and been much more fluid because whilst preseason is fitness based, we saw some good movements and passages of play, but an injury like we have right now with Martial as an example stifles that way of playing as Ronny doesn't move as much anymore.

I love the guy but his spell with us this time round has been to the detriment.

comment by MUFCdan (U1463)
posted 9 minutes ago
Completely agree.

Honestly where would rashford go if we put him up for sale? Welbeck is still better than him
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Right now a three legged rocking horse is better than Rashy. However Danny Welbeck has never been at the level Rashford was at for 2-3 years. Sadly that was 18 months ago now.

he is part of the problem ... at the moment you are not a team dominating games and creating loads of chances.

at the stage in his career thats what Ronaldo needs to get the best out of him.

As things stand your a team that needs to fight tooth and nail with others to beat them. A forward that is no longer willing or capable of running the channels, taking the hits , playing back to goal to bring in the rest of the team and keep the ball in opposition 3rd. Is not ideal for Utd at the moment.

comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
What our fans don't understand is that there isn't a single solution. Now, people think if we replace McTominat and Fred, we'll have a good side.

Last summer, we signed Ronnie, Sancho and Verane, people thought we could challange for a title.

If you built a strong side creating chances, Ronaldo scores goals. He's far from the biggest problem we have and the fact he's pished off and wants to leave suggests his team mates are not up to his idea of a good standard.
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This is the issue. Ronaldo has become a problem because he needs the team to play a certain way. Even yesterday when we switched formation at half time we looked better but Ronaldo still struggled as he lacks any pace now and literally needs the ball at his feet or head. Give him that and he'll finish but our midfield is pants as we already know but the board instead of addressing that have cracked about with FDJ all summer.

I'd imagine we could have got bissouma or rice and been much more fluid because whilst preseason is fitness based, we saw some good movements and passages of play, but an injury like we have right now with Martial as an example stifles that way of playing as Ronny doesn't move as much anymore.

I love the guy but his spell with us this time round has been to the detriment.
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How can you say that it's to our detriment? Like I said in the OP if we had the 2022 Ronaldo in our 2005 team for example, then I could agree but our team is so far away from Ronaldo holding us back I just don't understand how you can think this?

Maybe I'll never understand it

This argument that Ronaldo somehow ruins the way we play is just ridiculous. For one thing , what the fook is the way we play anyway? We haven't had a set system of play for about a decade now ffs.
And he was on the bench in the first half yesterday and I don't remember us pressing Brighton at all without him.
I want him to leave if he doesn't want to be at United but the whole "Ronaldo is the problem with the way we play" is becoming purely stupid.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
he is part of the problem ... at the moment you are not a team dominating games and creating loads of chances.

at the stage in his career thats what Ronaldo needs to get the best out of him.

As things stand your a team that needs to fight tooth and nail with others to beat them. A forward that is no longer willing or capable of running the channels, taking the hits , playing back to goal to bring in the rest of the team and keep the ball in opposition 3rd. Is not ideal for Utd at the moment.
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But what options do we have? Martial? Rashford? Sancho? They can all run and run in behind but our team doesn't take advantage of that because of all of our other deficiencies.

comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 6 seconds ago
This argument that Ronaldo somehow ruins the way we play is just ridiculous. For one thing , what the fook is the way we play anyway? We haven't had a set system of play for about a decade now ffs.
And he was on the bench in the first half yesterday and I don't remember us pressing Brighton at all without him.
I want him to leave if he doesn't want to be at United but the whole "Ronaldo is the problem with the way we play" is becoming purely stupid.
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that's how I feel tbh

I think that the main issue some of us have with ETH is that we don't believe that he suits ETH's style of play. If ETH can get him to work in his system then great.

But we have many other issues that also need resolving aside from Ronaldo.

I would add that I don't think that yesterday's game really proved anything either way, as I think ETH set up differently to how he would have had Martial been available.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 38 seconds ago
I think that the main issue some of us have with ETH is that we don't believe that he suits ETH's style of play. If ETH can get him to work in his system then great.

But we have many other issues that also need resolving aside from Ronaldo.

I would add that I don't think that yesterday's game really proved anything either way, as I think ETH set up differently to how he would have had Martial been available.
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This.

comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 1 minute ago
This argument that Ronaldo somehow ruins the way we play is just ridiculous. For one thing , what the fook is the way we play anyway? We haven't had a set system of play for about a decade now ffs.
And he was on the bench in the first half yesterday and I don't remember us pressing Brighton at all without him.
I want him to leave if he doesn't want to be at United but the whole "Ronaldo is the problem with the way we play" is becoming purely stupid.
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I only sat the first 30 minutes, as had to go to a family event. But from what I saw, we dominated possession in that time (about 75%) and pressed when we didn't have the ball. So would have to disagree with what you say about us not pressing (at least for first 30 mins).

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
he is part of the problem ... at the moment you are not a team dominating games and creating loads of chances.

at the stage in his career thats what Ronaldo needs to get the best out of him.

As things stand your a team that needs to fight tooth and nail with others to beat them. A forward that is no longer willing or capable of running the channels, taking the hits , playing back to goal to bring in the rest of the team and keep the ball in opposition 3rd. Is not ideal for Utd at the moment.
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But what options do we have? Martial? Rashford? Sancho? They can all run and run in behind but our team doesn't take advantage of that because of all of our other deficiencies.
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you dont have any other options which is why you have been linked with the budget fit of Arnautovic.

I dare say having him on the wage books does hinder the ability to get someone in of a higher level than Arnautovic. I have no idea tbh what sorta budget you will have to bring in a striker either now or if you get ronaldo off the books.
But Ronaldo doesnt wanna be there , there is zero point keeping him if he doesnt wanna be there he will be thinking of himself the entire time and you need a team pulling together in the right decision

No, it’s pretty obvious the issues he causes a football team nowadays. The argument that he was the problem being wrong shouldn’t detract from the fact he is a massive one.

Ronaldo isn’t the problem. He is just one of them.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Ronaldo isn’t the problem. He is just one of them.
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Pretty much.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 55 seconds ago
Ronaldo isn’t the problem. He is just one of them.
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This.

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 55 seconds ago
Ronaldo isn’t the problem. He is just one of them.
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This.
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this +1

I'm a Spurs fan so I have no biased opinion based on his previous legendary tenure but if you look at the stats alone, the truth is that you scored more goals the season before he came. Sure, he scored 18 in the league and more in the cups but everyone else is down from the previous year (altough Greenwood may have something to do with that too). That suggests that since Ronaldo has joined, everyone else has dipped. Now that could be that the 'supporting cast' have had to change their game to adapt, or, as I consider more likely, his toxic mannerisms and petulance have affected squad morale and confidence. How well would you do if you were so publicly humiliated? It's quite clear from his body language that he considers everyone in that dressing room to be below par. That is no way to motivate a group. If everyone is playing beneath their level - Rashford, Bruno, Maguire are good examples - then you have to assume there's more going on. Players can go in and out of form, but if a whole squad does there's an issue in the dressing room. I think that's Ronaldo.

Regardless of your current position and lack of depth in the striker department, I'd still send him packing in the nearest taxi I could find. I've got a feeling once he goes, those that wilted will rise again.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Ronaldo isn’t the problem. He is just one of them.
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Sure. But where does this problem rank amongst our long list of problems. That's the crux of my query really.

For me it's way down the list. Way, way down.

I keep banging on about 2005/2006 era with RvN, I think if we were anywhere near that then Ronaldo would be towards the top, if not topping the list but at the moment I'd put this problem at the same level as De Gea - it's not right long-term even more so under ETH but it shouldn't really be spoken about before so many other problems are sorted.

I'd probably rather

Garnacho Ronaldo Sancho

and I just couldn't rely on Martial for an entire season - he's another Pogba.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm a Spurs fan so I have no biased opinion based on his previous legendary tenure but if you look at the stats alone, the truth is that you scored more goals the season before he came. Sure, he scored 18 in the league and more in the cups but everyone else is down from the previous year (altough Greenwood may have something to do with that too). That suggests that since Ronaldo has joined, everyone else has dipped. Now that could be that the 'supporting cast' have had to change their game to adapt, or, as I consider more likely, his toxic mannerisms and petulance have affected squad morale and confidence. How well would you do if you were so publicly humiliated? It's quite clear from his body language that he considers everyone in that dressing room to be below par. That is no way to motivate a group. If everyone is playing beneath their level - Rashford, Bruno, Maguire are good examples - then you have to assume there's more going on. Players can go in and out of form, but if a whole squad does there's an issue in the dressing room. I think that's Ronaldo.

Regardless of your current position and lack of depth in the striker department, I'd still send him packing in the nearest taxi I could find. I've got a feeling once he goes, those that wilted will rise again.
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I think there’s some merit in the dressing room issues, but there were clear issues with the team before he came that just continued to deteriorate into the next season. It was a perfect storm of shiiiit rather than any one thing.

I do wonder what impact Greenwood had on the atmosphere at the club as well.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I do wonder what impact Greenwood had on the atmosphere at the club as well.
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I remember wondering this on a previous thread a few weeks ago. I bet it's notable.