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posted on 9/8/22

The frustrating thing is, the club have had since November to fix up their mistakes, revamp the scouting, the footballing side and review where they've been going wrong and not make the same mistakes they've been making since 2013.

So what do they do, hire a temp coach with the intention of making him a consultant, then do a complete 180 on that decision and remove him completely after zero backing in the January transfer market, remove the chief scouts just before the transfer window opens giving them no time to even find replacements. Hiring a manager and leaving it up to him to identify targets....which is the same thing they've done with previous managers.

Spending months to sign a player that doesn't even want to come, then panicking to sign random players picked out of a hat after an appalling first game.

How an earth can a club be run so badly, and keep making the same mistakes over and over again, and not only that, the ones making the mistakes keep their jobs.

posted on 9/8/22

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Simp (U2958)
posted 20 minutes ago
No one seemed too bother when the rumours of Sesko were circulating... The guy had scored a grand total of 6 goals!

Anyway, i'll see if either of these rumours actually happen before worrying too much.
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I said at the time (and used the ‘grand total of 6 goals’ quote) that he was nowhere near the answer.

There are better alternatives out there at a decent age and skill level. Mitrovic would be better than Sesko and Arnau combined.

posted on 9/8/22

Tony Khan would never sell Mitrovic.

comment by Zacab (U18502)

posted on 9/8/22

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The-ComeBack-Kings (U18502)
posted 1 minute ago
I see most people making the manager blameless on this. Say what you want about the scouts and upper management but if a Klopp was in change, no such sh1tshow would ever happen. ETH has a big say on who is coming and he totally messed it up and his lack of experience at a high level really shows.
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Look at Klopp's first signing here. Hardly stellar!

https://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/28/1
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I beg to differ, especially if we ignore January and look at his first summer signings.

Player Club Fee Date
Marko Grujic Red Star Belgrade £5,100,000 6 January 2016
Steven Caulker Queens Park Rangers On Loan 12 January 2016
Kamil Grabara Ruch Chorzow £250,000 15 January 2016
Sadio Mané Southampton £30,000,000 28 June 2016
Loris Karius Mainz 05 £4,700,000 1 July 2016
Joël Matip Free Transfer Free 1 July 2016
Ragnar Klavan Augsburg £4,200,000 20 July 2016
Alex Manninger Free Transfer Free 22 July 2016
Georginio Wijnaldum Newcastle United £25,000,000 * 22 July 2016

posted on 9/8/22

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 19 minutes ago
Maybe it's dawned on ETH that Fdj and a forward won't be enough with our budget, so maybe we'll be targeting cheaper players to fill the number of problem areas.
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Perhaps the penny has finally dropped and he’s finally caught up and realised Fdj doesn’t want to join us.

posted on 9/8/22

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 21 minutes ago
TBF I think plenty brought up Sesko's goal tally and the fact he seems to not have a very good first touch.

He's a very different transfer though isn't he in that he's still a teenager and someone who can hopefully develop under someone like EtH. He was also wanted by other clubs and looks like going to Leipzig.

I think a key issue with both Rabiot and Arnautovic is that irrelevant of their ability they both seem like idiots who could cause unrest at a club that are already crumbling mentally.
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Sorry, what I meant was, while valid concerns were being brought up about Sesko, the whole "We are so desperate, a banter club" business wasn't nearly as strong as it's been over the last, what, 40 hours.

I think the loss, plus a real malaise about the transfer window, has led to a bit of an over reaction.

I think if Rabiot had been signed a month ago, it would have been met with more logical thinking, still some scepticism, but not this "the sky is falling" that some posters are displaying.

posted on 9/8/22

In fairness, you don’t need the last 40 hours to correctly conclude we are a banter club.

posted on 9/8/22

Let's just sign young Ross Barkley and get on with building for the future.

posted on 9/8/22

I reckon United compare to pre Poch Tottenham ….I think Poch and ten Hag are alike also

I don’t mind admitting I wanted Poch gone after a few months as we were worse than we were under sherwood …..results were bad , football was boring and we weren’t going anywhere

Then we moved on some players who although good were lazy and after 6 months the change around was evident , with the pressing starting to show

Point is what’s all the panic ? I think your preseason gave some United fans false hope that things were different immediately but the prem is unforgiving

It will take time and patience ….if in 6 months you are still being outplayed by a Brighton then I’d say panic but the pressing will take a couple of months minimum , with that pressing will come fitness and some decent footy

Ten Hag reminds me of Poch and a bit of pep….he will succeed

posted on 9/8/22

Ji

But it wasn't concluded a month ago when it could have been. And had it been I'm pretty sure fans would have been pretty underwhelmed by his signing.

Also had it been done a month ago it would have implied we were still in the market for other midfielders with the FdJ saga still going. Whereas now it looks more like our alternative to FdJ.

I think most can see that talent wise Rabiot is better than what we have in midfield but that just shows you how bad our midfield is. But for me (and I assume others) it's more about his attitute that worries me.

It has been a very dissapointing transfer window so far.

posted on 9/8/22

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Simp (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Simp (U2958)
posted 3 seconds ago
Do you honestly believe that at around 4:30pm on Sunday, we just pulled the names Arnautović and Rabiot out of a hat and made bids on them?
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Not sure that including them as preferred alternative targets reflects any better on the club or ETH actually

It's shiiite business either way
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I thought most of us were just getting behind ETH and his decisions?

I don't get how two low cost players can be deemed shiiite signings 1) Before they've even signed and 2) Before they've kicked a ball for us.

It's not the big signings any of us wanted... But it seems a bit daft to write them off imho, especially Rabiot.
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Wake up!!!!

posted on 9/8/22

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Simp (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Simp (U2958)
posted 3 seconds ago
Do you honestly believe that at around 4:30pm on Sunday, we just pulled the names Arnautović and Rabiot out of a hat and made bids on them?
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Not sure that including them as preferred alternative targets reflects any better on the club or ETH actually

It's shiiite business either way
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I thought most of us were just getting behind ETH and his decisions?

I don't get how two low cost players can be deemed shiiite signings 1) Before they've even signed and 2) Before they've kicked a ball for us.

It's not the big signings any of us wanted... But it seems a bit daft to write them off imho, especially Rabiot.
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Wake up!!!!
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I've been up since 6am, mate

posted on 9/8/22

Wake up and stop calling people daft every time their thinking is not same as yours. These are two dire players to chase, everyone that knows about this game is either ridiculing us for chasing these players or laughing at us. You really do think you are high and mighty

posted on 9/8/22

comment by eRedIn (U4302)
posted 30 minutes ago
The frustrating thing is, the club have had since November to fix up their mistakes, revamp the scouting, the footballing side and review where they've been going wrong and not make the same mistakes they've been making since 2013.

So what do they do, hire a temp coach with the intention of making him a consultant, then do a complete 180 on that decision and remove him completely after zero backing in the January transfer market, remove the chief scouts just before the transfer window opens giving them no time to even find replacements. Hiring a manager and leaving it up to him to identify targets....which is the same thing they've done with previous managers.

Spending months to sign a player that doesn't even want to come, then panicking to sign random players picked out of a hat after an appalling first game.

How an earth can a club be run so badly, and keep making the same mistakes over and over again, and not only that, the ones making the mistakes keep their jobs.
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It's weird how we've gone from the plan to have Ralf as a consultant to now having a think tank of people from the club's past. We just don't seem to want to modernise.

posted on 9/8/22

comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 19 minutes ago
Maybe it's dawned on ETH that Fdj and a forward won't be enough with our budget, so maybe we'll be targeting cheaper players to fill the number of problem areas.
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Perhaps the penny has finally dropped and he’s finally caught up and realised Fdj doesn’t want to join us.
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Rabiot isn't an alternative though, he's a different type of midfielder.

posted on 9/8/22

It has been a shocking transfer window and I’m sure even the most positive supporter can admit that whether it’s ETH or the people above him, the whole thing has been a shambles, which looks even worse as we actually seemed to start well by getting Ten Hag in nice and early and had Ralf seemingly prepare some kind of dossier of what to do next.

posted on 9/8/22

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 19 minutes ago
Maybe it's dawned on ETH that Fdj and a forward won't be enough with our budget, so maybe we'll be targeting cheaper players to fill the number of problem areas.
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Perhaps the penny has finally dropped and he’s finally caught up and realised Fdj doesn’t want to join us.
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Rabiot isn't an alternative though, he's a different type of midfielder.
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An average midfielder, posting average stats in weaker leagues coming to join mcshiiit and Fred

posted on 9/8/22

comment by Slippin’ Robb (U22716)
posted 24 seconds ago
It has been a shocking transfer window and I’m sure even the most positive supporter can admit that whether it’s ETH or the people above him, the whole thing has been a shambles, which looks even worse as we actually seemed to start well by getting Ten Hag in nice and early and had Ralf seemingly prepare some kind of dossier of what to do next.


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" Weeks to go until end of transfer, FDJ is coming to sunny Manchester United."

comment by Shugs (U14253)

posted on 9/8/22

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Simp (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Simp (U2958)
posted 3 seconds ago
Do you honestly believe that at around 4:30pm on Sunday, we just pulled the names Arnautović and Rabiot out of a hat and made bids on them?
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Not sure that including them as preferred alternative targets reflects any better on the club or ETH actually

It's shiiite business either way
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I thought most of us were just getting behind ETH and his decisions?

I don't get how two low cost players can be deemed shiiite signings 1) Before they've even signed and 2) Before they've kicked a ball for us.

It's not the big signings any of us wanted... But it seems a bit daft to write them off imho, especially Rabiot.
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I don't care about "Big" signings tbh

But there's enough body of evidence to back up these are 2 shiiite signings

Neither have ever shown top ability with any consistency and both have repeatedly shown their attitude leaves a lot to be desired

We all accept that we have a problem moving on players that aren't good enough and this affects our transfer budgets... Seems odd to add 2 more to confound the problem further going forward

Arnautovic... Fk me... That's a relegation threatened club in the January window style signing

posted on 9/8/22

The only way it could be worse is if we go full Stretty and bring in Charlie Austin. And you NEVER go full Stretty

posted on 9/8/22

comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Simp (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Simp (U2958)
posted 3 seconds ago
Do you honestly believe that at around 4:30pm on Sunday, we just pulled the names Arnautović and Rabiot out of a hat and made bids on them?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure that including them as preferred alternative targets reflects any better on the club or ETH actually

It's shiiite business either way
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I thought most of us were just getting behind ETH and his decisions?

I don't get how two low cost players can be deemed shiiite signings 1) Before they've even signed and 2) Before they've kicked a ball for us.

It's not the big signings any of us wanted... But it seems a bit daft to write them off imho, especially Rabiot.
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I don't care about "Big" signings tbh

But there's enough body of evidence to back up these are 2 shiiite signings

Neither have ever shown top ability with any consistency and both have repeatedly shown their attitude leaves a lot to be desired

We all accept that we have a problem moving on players that aren't good enough and this affects our transfer budgets... Seems odd to add 2 more to confound the problem further going forward

Arnautovic... Fk me... That's a relegation threatened club in the January window style signing
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But there's enough body of evidence to back up these are 2 shiiite signings

Good luck responding to this fella. He does not work on opinions based on evidence. And when you are right, rather than put his hand up and say I have it wrong, he will accuse of being a ' I told you so merchant.'

posted on 9/8/22

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 9 minutes ago
Wake up and stop calling people daft every time their thinking is not same as yours.
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You are creating your own reality here... Show me where I have called anyone daft.

I'm just trying to think of the various scenarios and variables at play here rather than just defaulting to "We're doooomed".

posted on 9/8/22

Ji’s a good poster. He just gets a wee bit too positive at times which is better than the dark Ji version which is Nohlman

posted on 9/8/22

Dark Ji we win

posted on 9/8/22

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Slippin’ Robb (U22716)
posted 24 seconds ago
It has been a shocking transfer window and I’m sure even the most positive supporter can admit that whether it’s ETH or the people above him, the whole thing has been a shambles, which looks even worse as we actually seemed to start well by getting Ten Hag in nice and early and had Ralf seemingly prepare some kind of dossier of what to do next.


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" Weeks to go until end of transfer, FDJ is coming to sunny Manchester United."
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…as a chelsea player

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