Rule 3 is open to debate if anyone has any contest to raise.
The one star bandeeto.
Forget about that scamp.
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
One star.
Haven't read the article yet though.
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
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Actual figures. haha.
Nobody asked me, for a start.
comment by Pun - Pranks is my draft Daddy, he’s just a punderful guy (U21588)
posted 4 minutes ago
One star.
Haven't read the article yet though.
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This is a good argument for the need to keep the monarchy. I've heard it over the years from Hitchens, Fry etc but this a recent interpretation.
https://youtu.be/_5os9bT9zuo
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 34 seconds ago
This is a good argument for the need to keep the monarchy. I've heard it over the years from Hitchens, Fry etc but this a recent interpretation.
https://youtu.be/_5os9bT9zuo
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Good stuff. Love a bit of Hitchens, so may search out his debates.
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
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It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
You meant Christopher, right?
So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
———
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
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To me it's crazy that people still support these things but we'll outgrow it eventually IMO.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this? It's 29% of support for abolution.
The discussion is absolutely fine and I'm all for it, it's been discussed for many decades but look, still a 60% approval rating..
It's amazing to me that most people define discussion as "arguing about it until you agree with me".
*abolition
Cheers Samsung.
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this?
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It's statistically relevant for reasons that I'd assumed would be obvious...
If 60% are in favour of the monarchy, then that leaves 40% who are either actively against or unsure; ie, not in favour. That leaves us progressing ever closer to 50/50 and the prospects of majority abolition. And yet, in another thread you said that the majority approval rating rendered discussion of abolition as 'moot', or words to that effect. Clearly that's not true, statistically...
How is being unsure an approval?
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's statistically relevant for reasons that I'd assumed would be obvious...
If 60% are in favour of the monarchy, then that leaves 40% who are either actively against or unsure; ie, not in favour. That leaves us progressing ever closer to 50/50 and the prospects of majority abolition. And yet, in another thread you said that the majority approval rating rendered discussion of abolition as 'moot', or words to that effect. Clearly that's not true, statistically...
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When we're at 50/50 (although I'd argue that as with any referendum, affirmative action should only be taken if 50% +1 are in favour of that action) then it's a worthwhile conversation to have and we may get to that point.
I do actually think at some point we will make the decision to remove the monarchy, but it'll be an incredibly sad day when we do and frankly it'll be a removal of a millennia of tradition and something that makes this country unique for very very little reward.
The difference between abolitionists and monarchists, in my experience, tends to boil down between those who don't value tradition and those who do.
Do I want absolute monarchy or an unelected head of state running the country? Absolutely not (well, maybe sometimes ) but do I like the balance we have now? I do, as do many many others.
It makes this country unique, gives us a soft power and respect on the global stage that no elected head of state can do and frankly there is nothing wrong with retaining some tradition in this country and heralding elements of our history.
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this? It's 29% of support for abolution.
The discussion is absolutely fine and I'm all for it, it's been discussed for many decades but look, still a 60% approval rating..
It's amazing to me that most people define discussion as "arguing about it until you agree with me".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You keep going on about the approval rating but of course you don't realise or simply chose to ignore that 60% approval rating is a humongous decline from even just 10 years ago.
Support for the monarchy is constantly dwindling year after year and recent polls have shown that 40% of 18-24 year olds support abolishing the monarchy and 37% do not.
The 60% is where we are at right now but things are definitely going downhill fast. It was 75% just 10 years ago.
I’m in favour of retaining the monarchy because I feel that it’s important to retain some of our heritage and tradition.
comment by Boris John's Son (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this? It's 29% of support for abolution.
The discussion is absolutely fine and I'm all for it, it's been discussed for many decades but look, still a 60% approval rating..
It's amazing to me that most people define discussion as "arguing about it until you agree with me".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You keep going on about the approval rating but of course you don't realise or simply chose to ignore that 60% approval rating is a humongous decline from even just 10 years ago.
Support for the monarchy is constantly dwindling year after year and recent polls have shown that 40% of 18-24 year olds support abolishing the monarchy and 37% do not.
The 60% is where we are at right now but things are definitely going downhill fast. It was 75% just 10 years ago.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know it's a decline, I'm not shying away from that but right now there's still a large approval for the monarchy, time will tell whether that increases or decreases with Charles but considering he's an environmentalist without a political agenda I'd say his favour may well increase over time.
You may be right and it continues to decline over the years to a point when abolition runs at 50% or greater, at which point we should absolutely be removing the monarchy.
But it will be a very sad day when we decide to remove a millennia of tradition and something that makes this country unique.
When we're at 50/50 (although I'd argue that as with any referendum, affirmative action should only be taken
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If you look on Yougov website you will find the inexorable trend towards that position - most recent data 3 months ago. There may be a blip caused by the succession as it raises the profile and potentially opinion though perhaps not in the intended direction?
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
When we're at 50/50 (although I'd argue that as with any referendum, affirmative action should only be taken
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If you look on Yougov website you will find the inexorable trend towards that position - most recent data 3 months ago. There may be a blip caused by the succession as it raises the profile and potentially opinion though perhaps not in the intended direction?
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It may be the intended direction but it's not close to being 50+% in support of abolition. Until that point there is no democratic reason to remove the monarchy.
*remove intended. Cooking whilst typing
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's statistically relevant for reasons that I'd assumed would be obvious...
If 60% are in favour of the monarchy, then that leaves 40% who are either actively against or unsure; ie, not in favour. That leaves us progressing ever closer to 50/50 and the prospects of majority abolition. And yet, in another thread you said that the majority approval rating rendered discussion of abolition as 'moot', or words to that effect. Clearly that's not true, statistically...
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The difference between abolitionists and monarchists, in my experience, tends to boil down between those who don't value tradition and those who do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
'Tradition' is not self-justifying. All manner of horrors have been (or continue to be) carried out in the name of tradition.
I've nothing against tradition per se - it depends on the specifics. Any traditions found not fit for purpose (ethically, environmentally, economically, socially etc) should be thrown away or adapted. Benign ones that harm no one are perfectly fair game, of course.
The monarchy's role as essentially arms sales representatives (largely to the repressive gulf states) should by itself render them obsolete and not fit for purpose. And that's just one single and rarely discussed function of the institution.
comment by Ghost of 1974 (U9335)
posted 5 minutes ago
I’m in favour of retaining the monarchy because I feel that it’s important to retain some of our heritage and tradition.
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Like the buildings, land, coins, museums, jewels and... history books?
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posted on 11/9/22
Rule 3 is open to debate if anyone has any contest to raise.
posted on 11/9/22
The one star bandeeto.
Forget about that scamp.
posted on 11/9/22
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
posted on 11/9/22
One star.
Haven't read the article yet though.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Actual figures. haha.
Nobody asked me, for a start.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Pun - Pranks is my draft Daddy, he’s just a punderful guy (U21588)
posted 4 minutes ago
One star.
Haven't read the article yet though.
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posted on 11/9/22
This is a good argument for the need to keep the monarchy. I've heard it over the years from Hitchens, Fry etc but this a recent interpretation.
https://youtu.be/_5os9bT9zuo
posted on 11/9/22
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 34 seconds ago
This is a good argument for the need to keep the monarchy. I've heard it over the years from Hitchens, Fry etc but this a recent interpretation.
https://youtu.be/_5os9bT9zuo
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good stuff. Love a bit of Hitchens, so may search out his debates.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
posted on 11/9/22
You meant Christopher, right?
posted on 11/9/22
So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
———
posted on 11/9/22
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
-----
To me it's crazy that people still support these things but we'll outgrow it eventually IMO.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this? It's 29% of support for abolution.
The discussion is absolutely fine and I'm all for it, it's been discussed for many decades but look, still a 60% approval rating..
It's amazing to me that most people define discussion as "arguing about it until you agree with me".
posted on 11/9/22
*abolition
Cheers Samsung.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's statistically relevant for reasons that I'd assumed would be obvious...
If 60% are in favour of the monarchy, then that leaves 40% who are either actively against or unsure; ie, not in favour. That leaves us progressing ever closer to 50/50 and the prospects of majority abolition. And yet, in another thread you said that the majority approval rating rendered discussion of abolition as 'moot', or words to that effect. Clearly that's not true, statistically...
posted on 11/9/22
How is being unsure an approval?
posted on 11/9/22
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's statistically relevant for reasons that I'd assumed would be obvious...
If 60% are in favour of the monarchy, then that leaves 40% who are either actively against or unsure; ie, not in favour. That leaves us progressing ever closer to 50/50 and the prospects of majority abolition. And yet, in another thread you said that the majority approval rating rendered discussion of abolition as 'moot', or words to that effect. Clearly that's not true, statistically...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When we're at 50/50 (although I'd argue that as with any referendum, affirmative action should only be taken if 50% +1 are in favour of that action) then it's a worthwhile conversation to have and we may get to that point.
I do actually think at some point we will make the decision to remove the monarchy, but it'll be an incredibly sad day when we do and frankly it'll be a removal of a millennia of tradition and something that makes this country unique for very very little reward.
The difference between abolitionists and monarchists, in my experience, tends to boil down between those who don't value tradition and those who do.
Do I want absolute monarchy or an unelected head of state running the country? Absolutely not (well, maybe sometimes ) but do I like the balance we have now? I do, as do many many others.
It makes this country unique, gives us a soft power and respect on the global stage that no elected head of state can do and frankly there is nothing wrong with retaining some tradition in this country and heralding elements of our history.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this? It's 29% of support for abolution.
The discussion is absolutely fine and I'm all for it, it's been discussed for many decades but look, still a 60% approval rating..
It's amazing to me that most people define discussion as "arguing about it until you agree with me".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You keep going on about the approval rating but of course you don't realise or simply chose to ignore that 60% approval rating is a humongous decline from even just 10 years ago.
Support for the monarchy is constantly dwindling year after year and recent polls have shown that 40% of 18-24 year olds support abolishing the monarchy and 37% do not.
The 60% is where we are at right now but things are definitely going downhill fast. It was 75% just 10 years ago.
posted on 11/9/22
I’m in favour of retaining the monarchy because I feel that it’s important to retain some of our heritage and tradition.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Boris John's Son (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this? It's 29% of support for abolution.
The discussion is absolutely fine and I'm all for it, it's been discussed for many decades but look, still a 60% approval rating..
It's amazing to me that most people define discussion as "arguing about it until you agree with me".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You keep going on about the approval rating but of course you don't realise or simply chose to ignore that 60% approval rating is a humongous decline from even just 10 years ago.
Support for the monarchy is constantly dwindling year after year and recent polls have shown that 40% of 18-24 year olds support abolishing the monarchy and 37% do not.
The 60% is where we are at right now but things are definitely going downhill fast. It was 75% just 10 years ago.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know it's a decline, I'm not shying away from that but right now there's still a large approval for the monarchy, time will tell whether that increases or decreases with Charles but considering he's an environmentalist without a political agenda I'd say his favour may well increase over time.
You may be right and it continues to decline over the years to a point when abolition runs at 50% or greater, at which point we should absolutely be removing the monarchy.
But it will be a very sad day when we decide to remove a millennia of tradition and something that makes this country unique.
posted on 11/9/22
When we're at 50/50 (although I'd argue that as with any referendum, affirmative action should only be taken
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you look on Yougov website you will find the inexorable trend towards that position - most recent data 3 months ago. There may be a blip caused by the succession as it raises the profile and potentially opinion though perhaps not in the intended direction?
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
When we're at 50/50 (although I'd argue that as with any referendum, affirmative action should only be taken
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you look on Yougov website you will find the inexorable trend towards that position - most recent data 3 months ago. There may be a blip caused by the succession as it raises the profile and potentially opinion though perhaps not in the intended direction?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It may be the intended direction but it's not close to being 50+% in support of abolition. Until that point there is no democratic reason to remove the monarchy.
posted on 11/9/22
*remove intended. Cooking whilst typing
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 9 minutes ago
The actual figures have about a 60% approval rate for the monarchy, less than 30% for a republic.
In case anybody is interested. So those clamouring for democracy are actually undemocratic by pushing for abolition...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's about 29% for abolition + whatever % poll as "don't know" (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head).
Having a discussion about the merits of a monarchy in the 21st Century & trying to win arguments and change minds is most certainly not "undemocratic".
Unelected, wealthy & privileged head's of state and figures of influence and power on the other hand...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are we including the don't know in this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's statistically relevant for reasons that I'd assumed would be obvious...
If 60% are in favour of the monarchy, then that leaves 40% who are either actively against or unsure; ie, not in favour. That leaves us progressing ever closer to 50/50 and the prospects of majority abolition. And yet, in another thread you said that the majority approval rating rendered discussion of abolition as 'moot', or words to that effect. Clearly that's not true, statistically...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The difference between abolitionists and monarchists, in my experience, tends to boil down between those who don't value tradition and those who do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
'Tradition' is not self-justifying. All manner of horrors have been (or continue to be) carried out in the name of tradition.
I've nothing against tradition per se - it depends on the specifics. Any traditions found not fit for purpose (ethically, environmentally, economically, socially etc) should be thrown away or adapted. Benign ones that harm no one are perfectly fair game, of course.
The monarchy's role as essentially arms sales representatives (largely to the repressive gulf states) should by itself render them obsolete and not fit for purpose. And that's just one single and rarely discussed function of the institution.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Ghost of 1974 (U9335)
posted 5 minutes ago
I’m in favour of retaining the monarchy because I feel that it’s important to retain some of our heritage and tradition.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like the buildings, land, coins, museums, jewels and... history books?
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