Top needs to find his bolloocks and sack this cuuunt now.
Those with longish memories might equate that humbling last season by Forest with the one against Wycombe all those years ago. All downhill from then on and it’s the same now.
Rodgers really needs to go and, for my money, so does Rudkin.
Fortunately Dyche is available but whether he’d want to risk coming is another matter.
I was joking on another thread about Fat Sam (Allardyce) but even he would be an improvement on Rodgers.
Maybe a manager with experience of the Great Escape is called for- anyone fancy a trip to Bristol to get him? (Well it's an improvement on Fat Sam.)
I mean Rodgers has just given a post match interview and almost asked to be sacked.
comment by K. P. Filbert (U11680)
posted 4 minutes ago
Maybe a manager with experience of the Great Escape is called for- anyone fancy a trip to Bristol to get him? (Well it's an improvement on Fat Sam.)
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I’d have Pearson back without a second thought.
I’m currently on my way to getting piiised what did the weasel say tonight?
I can see Dyche taking this opportunity, it's a great chance for advancement if he can keep us up. It unfortunately appears to be the case that Brendan has no clue about how to get these players motivated to display their talents - the results should be better than where we are at the moment! (Not saying we should be challenging for Europe, but we shouldn't be threatening Derby's record)
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posted 6 minutes ago
I’m currently on my way to getting piiised what did the weasel say tonight?
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Basically looked completely shot of confidence himself to be honest. Looked shell shocked, said that he would understand if the owners took a decision and that anyone losing 6 games on the bounce would expect to have their position questioned. He also said he wasn’t sure what would happen with his future in the next few days and basically sounded like he kind of wanted to go
He just looked completely done tonight. There was no blaming anyone else, no banging on about transfers, he basically said he understand everyone thinks he’s shiiiiit and he respects the owners regardless of their decision
Has to act tonight. Gone by the morning.
Otherwise we’re gone.
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posted 13 minutes ago
Has to act tonight. Gone by the morning.
Otherwise we’re gone.
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Dyche would be a no for me personally. He just doesn't seem a good fit for the club we aspire (at least, I assume there is still some aspiration...) to be. We have spent the last 5 years moving away from 4-4-2 so I can't see why we'd go for someone who is the epitome of kick and rush, and who's final season at Burnley was a car crash. He has Forest or Everton written all over him.
Personally, I'd be all over trying to get Thomas Frank. No idea whether he would come here or what it would take to release him from Brentford. But he's the kind of progressive, forward-thinking manager we should be looking for. He's done a brilliant job building on previous successes there, using their extensive scouting network to put together a really energetic team. Even if we went down - and let's face it, that is looking a distinct possibility now, even if/when Rodgers does go - I would fancy him to rebuild the squad and get us promoted.
The longer this goes on the harder it will be to get a good replacement. Brentford already look like a better run outfit that us right now, as much as I’d love Frank I can’t see him coming. Dyche isn’t progressive at all but could get a reaction, but I’d prefer Frank or perhaps Bielsa in terms of that high intensity attacking football.
One thing is for certain, if Rodgers is here for the Forest game then it’s proof that Top and the board have completely lost their way and are not capable of getting us out of this
If it is true that we can't afford to pay off Brendan then we will not be afford to buy out an employed manager either.
I am struggling to see where Top is coming from at the moment, it almost seems he has lost interest in the club.
We can’t afford not to sack him, we are down u less he goes. Simple as that.
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 11 hours, 41 minutes ago
Dyche would be a no for me personally. He just doesn't seem a good fit for the club we aspire (at least, I assume there is still some aspiration...) to be. We have spent the last 5 years moving away from 4-4-2 so I can't see why we'd go for someone who is the epitome of kick and rush, and who's final season at Burnley was a car crash. He has Forest or Everton written all over him.
Personally, I'd be all over trying to get Thomas Frank. No idea whether he would come here or what it would take to release him from Brentford. But he's the kind of progressive, forward-thinking manager we should be looking for. He's done a brilliant job building on previous successes there, using their extensive scouting network to put together a really energetic team. Even if we went down - and let's face it, that is looking a distinct possibility now, even if/when Rodgers does go - I would fancy him to rebuild the squad and get us promoted.
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I don't like the idea of how fast or far we have fallen but getting relegated with our current finances would be an absolute disaster so needs must.
You can fantasise about getting a progressive manager like Frank, I'd like him too but there is zero chance of him leaving a club where he is doing well for what looks frankly like a basket case headed for the Championship at a rate of knots under our current manager.
Dyche unfortunately fits our current predicament well and he is apparently available. To be fair to him he hasn't had the opportunity of managing at the level we aspire to so he might surprise people once we are stabilised. If they don't like that idea then just give him a short term contract.
What is clear at the moment is that Brendan looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, absolutely clueless about how to turn this around. Pundits can talk all they want about how he has earnt some time to turn it round given his great performance with us for the first couple of years and his experience but I don't think he has been in this situation before, he's been with us longer than anywhere else and not previously overseen a decline into a relegation battle.
He does have previous about avoiding relegation however and nothing would please me more if he turned it around with us - I don't see much evidence of that happening at present.
As for the 'can't afford to get rid' comments - we can't afford not to if it means avoiding relegation. That would be catastrophic financially (anyone fancy a trip to League 1 for a few years, administration etc?)
Nuneaton is spot on. The problem here is the message the financial mismanagement of the club has sent out to other managers. I’m not suggesting Leicester are a Bournemouth in terms of appeal but we’re certainly not Brighton right now. Managers like Frank will be looking at the player outgoings, the fact we haven’t got a beam to spend in the Jan window and a squad that desperately needs refreshing.
The club has dropped off in stature at an alarming rate - managers don’t care about training facilities, they care about talent, investment and long term direction - all of which have alarm bells at Leicester right now. Frank would frankly (see what I did there?) be mad to leave where he is right now and take such a gamble. Only 10 sides have started this badly in the PL and 6 got relegated. The odds are not good
Why would Thomas Frank leave Brentford for Leicester?
- A much higher salary (probably double what he earns now, even if it's significantly less than Rodgers)
- A better group of players (despite our predicament, this is still probably the 8th-12th best squad in the league, we are just woefully underperforming and Rodgers has killed their belief and spirit)
- A world-class, state of the art training facility that most managers would die for.
- A club with recent domestic success and European campaigns and plans to expand the stadium and surrounding infrastructure.
- A good owner who, despite our current situation both on and off the pitch, does seem to genuinely love the club and can, hopefully, get us back to the ambitions we had 2 years ago.
That's not to say there aren't real and serious problems here, because there are. We are not the club we were, our finances are a mess and it will take a real effort to turn things around. But there is an hierarchy in football and Leicester are above Brentford in that hierarchy.
Whether he'd want to leave is another matter; managers and players do reject moves to bigger clubs for a number of reasons. But the idea that Brentford to Leicester wouldn't be a step up is just nonsense.
RE Dyche; he'd probably keep us up, which has to be the first priority. I could tolerate Dycheball as a short term fix. But then what? I haven't seen anything from him at Burnley to suggest that he'd be a long term solution for us. When he tried to change Burnley's style of play and bring in players from outside their usual range, that's when things quickly collapsed. Would our better players want to play for him? I just don't see what he would bring to us other than a quick fix to save us this season.
Just to follow up on some of the points above, I'd say there are three categories of manager that we can go for (assuming we aren't in for the likes of Poch and Tuchel);
- Lower-risk, short term options that will probably keep us up, but no real long term project ambitions (Dyche, Benitez, Allardyce *shudders*)
- Medium-risk, short-medium term options that might keep us up and would be good options for building a longer term rebuild, either in the Premier League or from the Championship (Frank, Smith, Solskjaer, Anorim, Bielsa, Urs Fischer)
- High-risk, longer term options that will probably take us down, but should have the skills and vision to rebuild and get us promoted (Parker, Corberan, Cooper, McKenna)
The kind of manager you want depends on how much trouble you think we are and whether you think we should take a 12 month approach, or build around a 3-4 year project. For me, Frank is the perfect fit and is slap bang in the middle of the possible options.
Some decent points Foxello but to counter that
- We don’t have the money to giving Frank a huge pay rise I would imagine. Not sure what he’s earn here is going to be that much more than what he’s on once we’ve paid Rodgers off and paid his compensation. We are skint
- Some better players but it’s a squad in need of a refresh. There’s huge gaps here, he would have 2 wide players to choose from for example - Barnes and Perez and then Albrighton as a back up! There’s pretty much no strength in depth outside of the first XI and let’s no forget he’ll be inheriting Vestergard, Bertrand, Ward, Soumare, Amartey and at least 2 players who will leave for nothing shortly.
- A world class training facility is great - I’m sure he’d rather have better playing options at his disposal if he had the choice though
- Plans to expand the infrastructure and stadium will be a concern if it drains the board of any money to spend on players. We are broke and will be for the next 2 transfer windows I would imagine
- We have a great owner but he’s entrusted the running of the club to a bunch of absolute clowns. It’s embarrassing what Rudkin, Whelan and co have done with what they had at their disposal 18 months ago. Real potential and opportunity totally wasted away on financial gambles, poor recruitment and poor staff choices
I would imagine Frank wants his next club to be challenging for Europe - or even in Europe. We don’t have a hope of doing that this season or the next
You’re not seriously suggesting Solskjaer?! Disaster at Cardiff, did absolutely nothing but give into the players demands at United and has one style of football - sit back and counter
If he happy with
Frank (don’t think he will come)
Bielsa (don’t think he will come)
Cooper (too early at Forest but still unproven)
The rest look pretty uninspiring but there’s not a lot of choice. I think it will be Dyche which I’d be pretty disappointed with but reflects how far we have fallen
By the way I’d bet good money he will be in charge for the Forest game. That’s how inept the board is
I wouldn't imagine Frank is on much more than around £2-2.5m at Brentford. We would give him a considerable pay rise, even if it's well under the ridiculous salary we pay Rodgers.
Any manager worth their salt would have the belief and confidence in their own ability to come in and improve the squad. Rodgers has lost the ability to do that, but it doesn't mean another manager couldn't come in and get those same players performing again. Frank has turned the likes of Jansson and Janelt into good Premier League players; why would he not think he could do the same for Vestergaard and Soumare? Whether he could or not is a different question...
comment by 99 Problems (U12353)
posted 21 minutes ago
You’re not seriously suggesting Solskjaer?! Disaster at Cardiff, did absolutely nothing but give into the players demands at United and has one style of football - sit back and counter
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It's just an example. He wouldn't be near my top 10 choices and he has been average everywhere except Norway, but you could justify the possible thinking; a manager who knows the English game, he has brought through young players, who got United to a European final. Would he keep us up? 50/50 but better odds than we have under Rodgers.
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posted on 17/9/22
Top needs to find his bolloocks and sack this cuuunt now.
posted on 17/9/22
Those with longish memories might equate that humbling last season by Forest with the one against Wycombe all those years ago. All downhill from then on and it’s the same now.
Rodgers really needs to go and, for my money, so does Rudkin.
Fortunately Dyche is available but whether he’d want to risk coming is another matter.
I was joking on another thread about Fat Sam (Allardyce) but even he would be an improvement on Rodgers.
posted on 17/9/22
Maybe a manager with experience of the Great Escape is called for- anyone fancy a trip to Bristol to get him? (Well it's an improvement on Fat Sam.)
posted on 17/9/22
I mean Rodgers has just given a post match interview and almost asked to be sacked.
posted on 17/9/22
comment by K. P. Filbert (U11680)
posted 4 minutes ago
Maybe a manager with experience of the Great Escape is called for- anyone fancy a trip to Bristol to get him? (Well it's an improvement on Fat Sam.)
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I’d have Pearson back without a second thought.
posted on 17/9/22
I’m currently on my way to getting piiised what did the weasel say tonight?
posted on 17/9/22
I can see Dyche taking this opportunity, it's a great chance for advancement if he can keep us up. It unfortunately appears to be the case that Brendan has no clue about how to get these players motivated to display their talents - the results should be better than where we are at the moment! (Not saying we should be challenging for Europe, but we shouldn't be threatening Derby's record)
posted on 17/9/22
comment by Your Honour (U17603)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m currently on my way to getting piiised what did the weasel say tonight?
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Basically looked completely shot of confidence himself to be honest. Looked shell shocked, said that he would understand if the owners took a decision and that anyone losing 6 games on the bounce would expect to have their position questioned. He also said he wasn’t sure what would happen with his future in the next few days and basically sounded like he kind of wanted to go
posted on 17/9/22
He just looked completely done tonight. There was no blaming anyone else, no banging on about transfers, he basically said he understand everyone thinks he’s shiiiiit and he respects the owners regardless of their decision
posted on 17/9/22
Has to act tonight. Gone by the morning.
Otherwise we’re gone.
posted on 17/9/22
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 13 minutes ago
Has to act tonight. Gone by the morning.
Otherwise we’re gone.
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posted on 17/9/22
Dyche would be a no for me personally. He just doesn't seem a good fit for the club we aspire (at least, I assume there is still some aspiration...) to be. We have spent the last 5 years moving away from 4-4-2 so I can't see why we'd go for someone who is the epitome of kick and rush, and who's final season at Burnley was a car crash. He has Forest or Everton written all over him.
Personally, I'd be all over trying to get Thomas Frank. No idea whether he would come here or what it would take to release him from Brentford. But he's the kind of progressive, forward-thinking manager we should be looking for. He's done a brilliant job building on previous successes there, using their extensive scouting network to put together a really energetic team. Even if we went down - and let's face it, that is looking a distinct possibility now, even if/when Rodgers does go - I would fancy him to rebuild the squad and get us promoted.
posted on 17/9/22
The longer this goes on the harder it will be to get a good replacement. Brentford already look like a better run outfit that us right now, as much as I’d love Frank I can’t see him coming. Dyche isn’t progressive at all but could get a reaction, but I’d prefer Frank or perhaps Bielsa in terms of that high intensity attacking football.
One thing is for certain, if Rodgers is here for the Forest game then it’s proof that Top and the board have completely lost their way and are not capable of getting us out of this
posted on 17/9/22
If it is true that we can't afford to pay off Brendan then we will not be afford to buy out an employed manager either.
I am struggling to see where Top is coming from at the moment, it almost seems he has lost interest in the club.
posted on 17/9/22
We can’t afford not to sack him, we are down u less he goes. Simple as that.
posted on 18/9/22
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 11 hours, 41 minutes ago
Dyche would be a no for me personally. He just doesn't seem a good fit for the club we aspire (at least, I assume there is still some aspiration...) to be. We have spent the last 5 years moving away from 4-4-2 so I can't see why we'd go for someone who is the epitome of kick and rush, and who's final season at Burnley was a car crash. He has Forest or Everton written all over him.
Personally, I'd be all over trying to get Thomas Frank. No idea whether he would come here or what it would take to release him from Brentford. But he's the kind of progressive, forward-thinking manager we should be looking for. He's done a brilliant job building on previous successes there, using their extensive scouting network to put together a really energetic team. Even if we went down - and let's face it, that is looking a distinct possibility now, even if/when Rodgers does go - I would fancy him to rebuild the squad and get us promoted.
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I don't like the idea of how fast or far we have fallen but getting relegated with our current finances would be an absolute disaster so needs must.
You can fantasise about getting a progressive manager like Frank, I'd like him too but there is zero chance of him leaving a club where he is doing well for what looks frankly like a basket case headed for the Championship at a rate of knots under our current manager.
Dyche unfortunately fits our current predicament well and he is apparently available. To be fair to him he hasn't had the opportunity of managing at the level we aspire to so he might surprise people once we are stabilised. If they don't like that idea then just give him a short term contract.
What is clear at the moment is that Brendan looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, absolutely clueless about how to turn this around. Pundits can talk all they want about how he has earnt some time to turn it round given his great performance with us for the first couple of years and his experience but I don't think he has been in this situation before, he's been with us longer than anywhere else and not previously overseen a decline into a relegation battle.
He does have previous about avoiding relegation however and nothing would please me more if he turned it around with us - I don't see much evidence of that happening at present.
As for the 'can't afford to get rid' comments - we can't afford not to if it means avoiding relegation. That would be catastrophic financially (anyone fancy a trip to League 1 for a few years, administration etc?)
posted on 18/9/22
Nuneaton is spot on. The problem here is the message the financial mismanagement of the club has sent out to other managers. I’m not suggesting Leicester are a Bournemouth in terms of appeal but we’re certainly not Brighton right now. Managers like Frank will be looking at the player outgoings, the fact we haven’t got a beam to spend in the Jan window and a squad that desperately needs refreshing.
The club has dropped off in stature at an alarming rate - managers don’t care about training facilities, they care about talent, investment and long term direction - all of which have alarm bells at Leicester right now. Frank would frankly (see what I did there?) be mad to leave where he is right now and take such a gamble. Only 10 sides have started this badly in the PL and 6 got relegated. The odds are not good
posted on 18/9/22
Why would Thomas Frank leave Brentford for Leicester?
- A much higher salary (probably double what he earns now, even if it's significantly less than Rodgers)
- A better group of players (despite our predicament, this is still probably the 8th-12th best squad in the league, we are just woefully underperforming and Rodgers has killed their belief and spirit)
- A world-class, state of the art training facility that most managers would die for.
- A club with recent domestic success and European campaigns and plans to expand the stadium and surrounding infrastructure.
- A good owner who, despite our current situation both on and off the pitch, does seem to genuinely love the club and can, hopefully, get us back to the ambitions we had 2 years ago.
That's not to say there aren't real and serious problems here, because there are. We are not the club we were, our finances are a mess and it will take a real effort to turn things around. But there is an hierarchy in football and Leicester are above Brentford in that hierarchy.
Whether he'd want to leave is another matter; managers and players do reject moves to bigger clubs for a number of reasons. But the idea that Brentford to Leicester wouldn't be a step up is just nonsense.
RE Dyche; he'd probably keep us up, which has to be the first priority. I could tolerate Dycheball as a short term fix. But then what? I haven't seen anything from him at Burnley to suggest that he'd be a long term solution for us. When he tried to change Burnley's style of play and bring in players from outside their usual range, that's when things quickly collapsed. Would our better players want to play for him? I just don't see what he would bring to us other than a quick fix to save us this season.
posted on 18/9/22
Just to follow up on some of the points above, I'd say there are three categories of manager that we can go for (assuming we aren't in for the likes of Poch and Tuchel);
- Lower-risk, short term options that will probably keep us up, but no real long term project ambitions (Dyche, Benitez, Allardyce *shudders*)
- Medium-risk, short-medium term options that might keep us up and would be good options for building a longer term rebuild, either in the Premier League or from the Championship (Frank, Smith, Solskjaer, Anorim, Bielsa, Urs Fischer)
- High-risk, longer term options that will probably take us down, but should have the skills and vision to rebuild and get us promoted (Parker, Corberan, Cooper, McKenna)
The kind of manager you want depends on how much trouble you think we are and whether you think we should take a 12 month approach, or build around a 3-4 year project. For me, Frank is the perfect fit and is slap bang in the middle of the possible options.
posted on 18/9/22
Some decent points Foxello but to counter that
- We don’t have the money to giving Frank a huge pay rise I would imagine. Not sure what he’s earn here is going to be that much more than what he’s on once we’ve paid Rodgers off and paid his compensation. We are skint
- Some better players but it’s a squad in need of a refresh. There’s huge gaps here, he would have 2 wide players to choose from for example - Barnes and Perez and then Albrighton as a back up! There’s pretty much no strength in depth outside of the first XI and let’s no forget he’ll be inheriting Vestergard, Bertrand, Ward, Soumare, Amartey and at least 2 players who will leave for nothing shortly.
- A world class training facility is great - I’m sure he’d rather have better playing options at his disposal if he had the choice though
- Plans to expand the infrastructure and stadium will be a concern if it drains the board of any money to spend on players. We are broke and will be for the next 2 transfer windows I would imagine
- We have a great owner but he’s entrusted the running of the club to a bunch of absolute clowns. It’s embarrassing what Rudkin, Whelan and co have done with what they had at their disposal 18 months ago. Real potential and opportunity totally wasted away on financial gambles, poor recruitment and poor staff choices
I would imagine Frank wants his next club to be challenging for Europe - or even in Europe. We don’t have a hope of doing that this season or the next
posted on 18/9/22
You’re not seriously suggesting Solskjaer?! Disaster at Cardiff, did absolutely nothing but give into the players demands at United and has one style of football - sit back and counter
posted on 18/9/22
If he happy with
Frank (don’t think he will come)
Bielsa (don’t think he will come)
Cooper (too early at Forest but still unproven)
The rest look pretty uninspiring but there’s not a lot of choice. I think it will be Dyche which I’d be pretty disappointed with but reflects how far we have fallen
posted on 18/9/22
By the way I’d bet good money he will be in charge for the Forest game. That’s how inept the board is
posted on 18/9/22
I wouldn't imagine Frank is on much more than around £2-2.5m at Brentford. We would give him a considerable pay rise, even if it's well under the ridiculous salary we pay Rodgers.
Any manager worth their salt would have the belief and confidence in their own ability to come in and improve the squad. Rodgers has lost the ability to do that, but it doesn't mean another manager couldn't come in and get those same players performing again. Frank has turned the likes of Jansson and Janelt into good Premier League players; why would he not think he could do the same for Vestergaard and Soumare? Whether he could or not is a different question...
posted on 18/9/22
comment by 99 Problems (U12353)
posted 21 minutes ago
You’re not seriously suggesting Solskjaer?! Disaster at Cardiff, did absolutely nothing but give into the players demands at United and has one style of football - sit back and counter
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It's just an example. He wouldn't be near my top 10 choices and he has been average everywhere except Norway, but you could justify the possible thinking; a manager who knows the English game, he has brought through young players, who got United to a European final. Would he keep us up? 50/50 but better odds than we have under Rodgers.
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