comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 2 minutes ago
You played well today
But Brentford were awful apart from a couple of moves early in the match
I was very disappointed in them today, they couldn’t control the ball, string any passes together , nothing
I don’t buy into your comment that they didn’t play badly at all
Can only beat what’s in front of you though so fairplay
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If you listen to their manager he was happy with their performance they just came up against a very good team. That's their biggest loss at home since 2014 so it's a decent scalp for us.
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I think his words were for the cameras not to kill moral anymore than you guys already did
In the dressing room I think he was probably very disappointed in them
Did they even put two passes together ?
I appreciate you guys will want to big up your performance as much as possible as I would if it was Tottenham but Brentford were shat
Still I’m concerned about the derby as we will let you have the ball which worries me
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We had more possession than Man Utd at Old Trafford.
So the idea that Brentford gifted us possession is pure nonsense.
I think his words were for the cameras not to kill moral anymore than you guys already did
In the dressing room I think he was probably very disappointed in them
Did they even put two passes together ?
I appreciate you guys will want to big up your performance as much as possible as I would if it was Tottenham but Brentford were shat
Still I’m concerned about the derby as we will let you have the ball which worries me
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Goes without saying first goal will be key, if we get it I think we will win. From what I've seen of Tottenham so far especially away from home you rely on the counter and struggle to control games.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 2 minutes ago
You played well today
But Brentford were awful apart from a couple of moves early in the match
I was very disappointed in them today, they couldn’t control the ball, string any passes together , nothing
I don’t buy into your comment that they didn’t play badly at all
Can only beat what’s in front of you though so fairplay
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If you listen to their manager he was happy with their performance they just came up against a very good team. That's their biggest loss at home since 2014 so it's a decent scalp for us.
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I think his words were for the cameras not to kill moral anymore than you guys already did
In the dressing room I think he was probably very disappointed in them
Did they even put two passes together ?
I appreciate you guys will want to big up your performance as much as possible as I would if it was Tottenham but Brentford were shat
Still I’m concerned about the derby as we will let you have the ball which worries me
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We had more possession than Man Utd at Old Trafford.
So the idea that Brentford gifted us possession is pure nonsense.
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What has United got to do with anything ? They are hardly anything to base anything on at the moment even if they are slowly improving
Different match ….I’m talking about the game today
Brentford gave you the ball back every 20 seconds ….you didn’t watch then ?
Your pressing obviously helped but they shot themselves in the foot time and time again
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 5 minutes ago
I think his words were for the cameras not to kill moral anymore than you guys already did
In the dressing room I think he was probably very disappointed in them
Did they even put two passes together ?
I appreciate you guys will want to big up your performance as much as possible as I would if it was Tottenham but Brentford were shat
Still I’m concerned about the derby as we will let you have the ball which worries me
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Goes without saying first goal will be key, if we get it I think we will win. From what I've seen of Tottenham so far especially away from home you rely on the counter and struggle to control games.
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Bang on the money 👍
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 11 seconds ago
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We had more possession than Man Utd at Old Trafford.
So the idea that Brentford gifted us possession is pure nonsense.
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What has United got to do with anything ? They are hardly anything to base anything on at the moment even if they are slowly improving
Different match ….I’m talking about the game today
Brentford gave you the ball back every 20 seconds ….you didn’t watch then ?
Your pressing obviously helped but they shot themselves in the foot time and time again
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Brentford like Man Utd could not keep up with intensity of our game. Very similar to how City play. Its not only about pressing. Its also about tempo of our passing and positioning to win the ball back. If you can keep possession and move the ball with great intensity there is very little the opposition can do about it. Pretty much the only tactic is to foul to break up play and hope one of those counters leads to a goal. High tempo is how teams like Liverpool and Man City have dominated the premier league that last few years.
Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
How many teams have not played well against City or Liverpool in the last few years? When the real question is how many teams have been able to match Liverpool or City's high tempo passing, pressing and tackling over the last few years?
Brentford like Man Utd could not keep up with intensity of our game. Very similar to how City play. Its not only about pressing. Its also about tempo of our passing and positioning to win the ball back. If you can keep possession and move the ball with great intensity there is very little the opposition can do about it. Pretty much the only tactic is to foul to break up play and hope one of those counters leads to a goal. High tempo is how teams like Liverpool and Man City have dominated the premier league that last few years.
Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
How many teams have not played well against City or Liverpool in the last few years? When the real question is how many teams have been able to match Liverpool or City's high tempo passing, pressing and tackling over the last few years?
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There is some truth to this but at the same time they've just had better players than the rest. I would imagine if you ask every manager in the league there ideal way of playing is to play a style where the team looks to control the tempo of the game and engage the opposition high up the field so I wouldn't say its a ground breaking outlook on the game its just a case of having the players to do it.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 11 seconds ago
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We had more possession than Man Utd at Old Trafford.
So the idea that Brentford gifted us possession is pure nonsense.
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What has United got to do with anything ? They are hardly anything to base anything on at the moment even if they are slowly improving
Different match ….I’m talking about the game today
Brentford gave you the ball back every 20 seconds ….you didn’t watch then ?
Your pressing obviously helped but they shot themselves in the foot time and time again
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Brentford like Man Utd could not keep up with intensity of our game. Very similar to how City play. Its not only about pressing. Its also about tempo of our passing and positioning to win the ball back. If you can keep possession and move the ball with great intensity there is very little the opposition can do about it. Pretty much the only tactic is to foul to break up play and hope one of those counters leads to a goal. High tempo is how teams like Liverpool and Man City have dominated the premier league that last few years.
Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
How many teams have not played well against City or Liverpool in the last few years? When the real question is how many teams have been able to match Liverpool or City's high tempo passing, pressing and tackling over the last few years?
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Tottenham have a good recent record against city so not sure what you are trying to say ….you don’t need to match that tempo to win
Arsenal are nowhere near city I’m afraid to break it to you and you have now lost me trying to even compare yourself to them even if you admit you aren’t there yet (you think you will get to their level?? I don’t )
Your start to the season has clearly gone to your head a bit ….You are playing well but beating teams you should be beating and controlling games you should be controlling
I wouldn’t get too excited just yet mate as that happened last season and it all imploded
Nothing wrong with being happy about how your team is playing though but you just seem to be getting a touch carried away
I could flip it and say Tottenham are the opposite , we aren’t controlling games and not playing our best yet winning games ….history tell us is that’s a good sign ….when son and Kane click, which they will , we will step it up
However I want to control games
I’m just going to keep my powder drier is all
We weren't playing this well last season.
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 17 seconds ago
Brentford like Man Utd could not keep up with intensity of our game. Very similar to how City play. Its not only about pressing. Its also about tempo of our passing and positioning to win the ball back. If you can keep possession and move the ball with great intensity there is very little the opposition can do about it. Pretty much the only tactic is to foul to break up play and hope one of those counters leads to a goal. High tempo is how teams like Liverpool and Man City have dominated the premier league that last few years.
Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
How many teams have not played well against City or Liverpool in the last few years? When the real question is how many teams have been able to match Liverpool or City's high tempo passing, pressing and tackling over the last few years?
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There is some truth to this but at the same time they've just had better players than the rest. I would imagine if you ask every manager in the league there ideal way of playing is to play a style where the team looks to control the tempo of the game and engage the opposition high up the field so I wouldn't say its a ground breaking outlook on the game its just a case of having the players to do it.
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I think that is very unfair to Klopp and Pep. They have established that where ever they have gone. Its what makes then brilliant managers and the best in the world. That was the hope we had with Arteta. But it was theory. And for the first two years Arteta was unable to get himself across. Maybe he didn't have enough confidence in himself so relied on a counter attack system. Which was was getting us nowhere and probably to an eventual sack. And I don't know what clicked in him but something changed last December and he decided to be more attack minded with a change in formation. After that I think Arteta has grown as the team has grown. Maybe that was the plan all along and buying the players to be able to push up (Gabriel, White, Tomi) to be able to possess the ball in the opposing half was the plan all along. Buying players is an important part of the equation and KSE have spent £250m+ over the last two seasons. But we have spent money before and so have others like Man Utd etc. and gone nowhere.
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 11 seconds ago
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Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
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Tottenham have a good recent record against city so not sure what you are trying to say ….you don’t need to match that tempo to win
Arsenal are nowhere near city I’m afraid to break it to you and you have now lost me trying to even compare yourself to them even if you admit you aren’t there yet (you think you will get to their level?? I don’t )
However I want to control games
I’m just going to keep my powder drier is all
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Read what I said. I admit we are not near their levels.
But how do get to that level unless you start down that road?
Of course there are many different ways of playing. Mourinho played counter attack and beat the the Pep system at Barca.
But there are some ways of play that clubs have established in their ethos. Wenger played a open, attacking style of football. And as fans we are happy that finally Arteta is establishing that style once again. I don't care if we are ever able to get to Man City's level. But at least the journey will be fun unlike the dross we were watching when Arteta first joined and in fact played for almost 2 years.
I actually used to think Spurs fans liked that attacking style as well from Hoddle/Waddle days. But obviously not that you have Mr pragmatic Conte. The Mourinho disciple.
I think that is very unfair to Klopp and Pep. They have established that where ever they have gone. Its what makes then brilliant managers and the best in the world. That was the hope we had with Arteta. But it was theory. And for the first two years Arteta was unable to get himself across. Maybe he didn't have enough confidence in himself so relied on a counter attack system. Which was was getting us nowhere and probably to an eventual sack. And I don't know what clicked in him but something changed last December and he decided to be more attack minded with a change in formation. After that I think Arteta has grown as the team has grown. Maybe that was the plan all along and buying the players to be able to push up (Gabriel, White, Tomi) to be able to possess the ball in the opposing half was the plan all along. Buying players is an important part of the equation and KSE have spent £250m+ over the last two seasons. But we have spent money before and so have others like Man Utd etc. and gone nowhere.
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The first year Guardiola was here he finished third with a decent squad. In order to implement his style of play he needed certain types of player in terms mentality and quality and that obviously cost a lot of money you could say the same to a lesser extent about Klopp. Having a philosophy is important but if you don't have the tools to implement it then doesn't really matter who the manager is. You can say the same about Arsenal to lesser extent, when Arteta took over there was no way he could implement a high pressure high tempo team when you've got the likes of Ozil and Aubameyang in your team. You might get a tune out of them for a while but ultimately they didn't fit the profile of what was required. External issues with some of these players existed as well but fundamentally they couldn't integrate into what Arteta wanted.
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 57 seconds ago
The first year Guardiola was here he finished third with a decent squad. In order to implement his style of play he needed certain types of player in terms mentality and quality and that obviously cost a lot of money you could say the same to a lesser extent about Klopp. Having a philosophy is important but if you don't have the tools to implement it then doesn't really matter who the manager is. You can say the same about Arsenal to lesser extent, when Arteta took over there was no way he could implement a high pressure high tempo team when you've got the likes of Ozil and Aubameyang in your team. You might get a tune out of them for a while but ultimately they didn't fit the profile of what was required. External issues with some of these players existed as well but fundamentally they couldn't integrate into what Arteta wanted.
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The thing that infuriated me the most of Arteta's early years is that did he not even try? Its why I used to say, we thought we bought Pep Jnr but ended up with Moyes Jnr. Would it have been so bad that we finished less than mid table where we did end up and still out of Europe as well? Anyway its water under the bridge and we definitely look on the right path this last calender year.
The thing that infuriated me the most of Arteta's early years is that did he not even try? Its why I used to say, we thought we bought Pep Jnr but ended up with Moyes Jnr. Would it have been so bad that we finished less than mid table where we did end up and still out of Europe as well? Anyway its water under the bridge and we definitely look on the right path this last calender year.
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Unfair to say he didn’t try. But he was awful, had to learn with the job. Hired him 2 years too early
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 11 seconds ago
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Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
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Tottenham have a good recent record against city so not sure what you are trying to say ….you don’t need to match that tempo to win
Arsenal are nowhere near city I’m afraid to break it to you and you have now lost me trying to even compare yourself to them even if you admit you aren’t there yet (you think you will get to their level?? I don’t )
However I want to control games
I’m just going to keep my powder drier is all
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Read what I said. I admit we are not near their levels.
But how do get to that level unless you start down that road?
Of course there are many different ways of playing. Mourinho played counter attack and beat the the Pep system at Barca.
But there are some ways of play that clubs have established in their ethos. Wenger played a open, attacking style of football. And as fans we are happy that finally Arteta is establishing that style once again. I don't care if we are ever able to get to Man City's level. But at least the journey will be fun unlike the dross we were watching when Arteta first joined and in fact played for almost 2 years.
I actually used to think Spurs fans liked that attacking style as well from Hoddle/Waddle days. But obviously not that you have Mr pragmatic Conte. The Mourinho disciple.
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You said the words you aren’t there yet and you are getting there which just implied you think you will get to city’s level, if I’ve misinterpreted my bad but that’s how it reads
Not sure where you get the idea from that spurs fans don’t like attacking footy ….we aren’t dictating tactics
Just in this thread alone I’ve said I don’t like not controlling games….it’s uncomfortable to watch for a start
Under Poch we controlled games and pressed teams to death and played good fast football too so how we play now is a difficult watch at times
Do I like Tottenham winning …..yep
Do I like how we are winning ….nope
I’d rather 3 points above all and hope the football improves
Arteta did not have the players. Sokratis, luiz, mustafi, torreira, ceballos etc. That's a horrible base to build from. Incapable of playing a high line, horrible at playing through a press.
And he still won an fa cup with that bunch playing 6 at the back sufferball.
comment by King TUt (U3732)
posted 1 minute ago
Arteta did not have the players. Sokratis, luiz, mustafi, torreira, ceballos etc. That's a horrible base to build from. Incapable of playing a high line, horrible at playing through a press.
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Sokratis and Mustafi were more than capable of holding a high line. You could argue Luiz but honestly Wenger managed to do it on occasion with Mertesacker. (sometimes with hillarious results, who can forget Klopp destroying when he was at Dortmund)
Similarly when you compress space, those with little pace like Arteta was able to control space in MF. One reason why its never worked with slow Xhaka is his inability to cover space from defence to attack. So when you feed slow ball to Ozil, how is he going find space to play through balls to Laca or Auba?
Look at the difference in Xhaka now that he is playing slight higher and not required to cover that space?
Sokratis and Mustafi were more than capable of holding a high line.
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No, they weren't. Sokratis was horrendous on the ball and mustafi too brain dead to concentrate. Luiz was magnificent with distribution, but had no legs.
You need to be good at both to hold a high line successfully. There's no point being quick if you can't play out, especially when the opposition can just run through your midfield and with nobody to hold it up top.
We've slowly cleared out the expensive old guard and replaced with fresh, hungry modern players. It's not a coincidence.
The key is to keep refining the team; letting go of the weak links and adding quality.
If we get Mudryk and Danilo in January, we are are shoe-in for top four
Even managed to give a 15 year old his debut What were you doing at 15
Playing some football. How the hell are some kids so good at football at this age?
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posted on 18/9/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 2 minutes ago
You played well today
But Brentford were awful apart from a couple of moves early in the match
I was very disappointed in them today, they couldn’t control the ball, string any passes together , nothing
I don’t buy into your comment that they didn’t play badly at all
Can only beat what’s in front of you though so fairplay
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If you listen to their manager he was happy with their performance they just came up against a very good team. That's their biggest loss at home since 2014 so it's a decent scalp for us.
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I think his words were for the cameras not to kill moral anymore than you guys already did
In the dressing room I think he was probably very disappointed in them
Did they even put two passes together ?
I appreciate you guys will want to big up your performance as much as possible as I would if it was Tottenham but Brentford were shat
Still I’m concerned about the derby as we will let you have the ball which worries me
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We had more possession than Man Utd at Old Trafford.
So the idea that Brentford gifted us possession is pure nonsense.
posted on 18/9/22
I think his words were for the cameras not to kill moral anymore than you guys already did
In the dressing room I think he was probably very disappointed in them
Did they even put two passes together ?
I appreciate you guys will want to big up your performance as much as possible as I would if it was Tottenham but Brentford were shat
Still I’m concerned about the derby as we will let you have the ball which worries me
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Goes without saying first goal will be key, if we get it I think we will win. From what I've seen of Tottenham so far especially away from home you rely on the counter and struggle to control games.
posted on 18/9/22
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 2 minutes ago
You played well today
But Brentford were awful apart from a couple of moves early in the match
I was very disappointed in them today, they couldn’t control the ball, string any passes together , nothing
I don’t buy into your comment that they didn’t play badly at all
Can only beat what’s in front of you though so fairplay
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If you listen to their manager he was happy with their performance they just came up against a very good team. That's their biggest loss at home since 2014 so it's a decent scalp for us.
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I think his words were for the cameras not to kill moral anymore than you guys already did
In the dressing room I think he was probably very disappointed in them
Did they even put two passes together ?
I appreciate you guys will want to big up your performance as much as possible as I would if it was Tottenham but Brentford were shat
Still I’m concerned about the derby as we will let you have the ball which worries me
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We had more possession than Man Utd at Old Trafford.
So the idea that Brentford gifted us possession is pure nonsense.
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What has United got to do with anything ? They are hardly anything to base anything on at the moment even if they are slowly improving
Different match ….I’m talking about the game today
Brentford gave you the ball back every 20 seconds ….you didn’t watch then ?
Your pressing obviously helped but they shot themselves in the foot time and time again
posted on 18/9/22
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 5 minutes ago
I think his words were for the cameras not to kill moral anymore than you guys already did
In the dressing room I think he was probably very disappointed in them
Did they even put two passes together ?
I appreciate you guys will want to big up your performance as much as possible as I would if it was Tottenham but Brentford were shat
Still I’m concerned about the derby as we will let you have the ball which worries me
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Goes without saying first goal will be key, if we get it I think we will win. From what I've seen of Tottenham so far especially away from home you rely on the counter and struggle to control games.
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Bang on the money 👍
posted on 18/9/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 11 seconds ago
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We had more possession than Man Utd at Old Trafford.
So the idea that Brentford gifted us possession is pure nonsense.
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What has United got to do with anything ? They are hardly anything to base anything on at the moment even if they are slowly improving
Different match ….I’m talking about the game today
Brentford gave you the ball back every 20 seconds ….you didn’t watch then ?
Your pressing obviously helped but they shot themselves in the foot time and time again
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Brentford like Man Utd could not keep up with intensity of our game. Very similar to how City play. Its not only about pressing. Its also about tempo of our passing and positioning to win the ball back. If you can keep possession and move the ball with great intensity there is very little the opposition can do about it. Pretty much the only tactic is to foul to break up play and hope one of those counters leads to a goal. High tempo is how teams like Liverpool and Man City have dominated the premier league that last few years.
Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
How many teams have not played well against City or Liverpool in the last few years? When the real question is how many teams have been able to match Liverpool or City's high tempo passing, pressing and tackling over the last few years?
posted on 18/9/22
Brentford like Man Utd could not keep up with intensity of our game. Very similar to how City play. Its not only about pressing. Its also about tempo of our passing and positioning to win the ball back. If you can keep possession and move the ball with great intensity there is very little the opposition can do about it. Pretty much the only tactic is to foul to break up play and hope one of those counters leads to a goal. High tempo is how teams like Liverpool and Man City have dominated the premier league that last few years.
Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
How many teams have not played well against City or Liverpool in the last few years? When the real question is how many teams have been able to match Liverpool or City's high tempo passing, pressing and tackling over the last few years?
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There is some truth to this but at the same time they've just had better players than the rest. I would imagine if you ask every manager in the league there ideal way of playing is to play a style where the team looks to control the tempo of the game and engage the opposition high up the field so I wouldn't say its a ground breaking outlook on the game its just a case of having the players to do it.
posted on 18/9/22
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 11 seconds ago
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We had more possession than Man Utd at Old Trafford.
So the idea that Brentford gifted us possession is pure nonsense.
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What has United got to do with anything ? They are hardly anything to base anything on at the moment even if they are slowly improving
Different match ….I’m talking about the game today
Brentford gave you the ball back every 20 seconds ….you didn’t watch then ?
Your pressing obviously helped but they shot themselves in the foot time and time again
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Brentford like Man Utd could not keep up with intensity of our game. Very similar to how City play. Its not only about pressing. Its also about tempo of our passing and positioning to win the ball back. If you can keep possession and move the ball with great intensity there is very little the opposition can do about it. Pretty much the only tactic is to foul to break up play and hope one of those counters leads to a goal. High tempo is how teams like Liverpool and Man City have dominated the premier league that last few years.
Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
How many teams have not played well against City or Liverpool in the last few years? When the real question is how many teams have been able to match Liverpool or City's high tempo passing, pressing and tackling over the last few years?
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Tottenham have a good recent record against city so not sure what you are trying to say ….you don’t need to match that tempo to win
Arsenal are nowhere near city I’m afraid to break it to you and you have now lost me trying to even compare yourself to them even if you admit you aren’t there yet (you think you will get to their level?? I don’t )
Your start to the season has clearly gone to your head a bit ….You are playing well but beating teams you should be beating and controlling games you should be controlling
I wouldn’t get too excited just yet mate as that happened last season and it all imploded
Nothing wrong with being happy about how your team is playing though but you just seem to be getting a touch carried away
I could flip it and say Tottenham are the opposite , we aren’t controlling games and not playing our best yet winning games ….history tell us is that’s a good sign ….when son and Kane click, which they will , we will step it up
However I want to control games
I’m just going to keep my powder drier is all
posted on 18/9/22
We weren't playing this well last season.
posted on 18/9/22
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 17 seconds ago
Brentford like Man Utd could not keep up with intensity of our game. Very similar to how City play. Its not only about pressing. Its also about tempo of our passing and positioning to win the ball back. If you can keep possession and move the ball with great intensity there is very little the opposition can do about it. Pretty much the only tactic is to foul to break up play and hope one of those counters leads to a goal. High tempo is how teams like Liverpool and Man City have dominated the premier league that last few years.
Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
How many teams have not played well against City or Liverpool in the last few years? When the real question is how many teams have been able to match Liverpool or City's high tempo passing, pressing and tackling over the last few years?
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There is some truth to this but at the same time they've just had better players than the rest. I would imagine if you ask every manager in the league there ideal way of playing is to play a style where the team looks to control the tempo of the game and engage the opposition high up the field so I wouldn't say its a ground breaking outlook on the game its just a case of having the players to do it.
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I think that is very unfair to Klopp and Pep. They have established that where ever they have gone. Its what makes then brilliant managers and the best in the world. That was the hope we had with Arteta. But it was theory. And for the first two years Arteta was unable to get himself across. Maybe he didn't have enough confidence in himself so relied on a counter attack system. Which was was getting us nowhere and probably to an eventual sack. And I don't know what clicked in him but something changed last December and he decided to be more attack minded with a change in formation. After that I think Arteta has grown as the team has grown. Maybe that was the plan all along and buying the players to be able to push up (Gabriel, White, Tomi) to be able to possess the ball in the opposing half was the plan all along. Buying players is an important part of the equation and KSE have spent £250m+ over the last two seasons. But we have spent money before and so have others like Man Utd etc. and gone nowhere.
posted on 18/9/22
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Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
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Tottenham have a good recent record against city so not sure what you are trying to say ….you don’t need to match that tempo to win
Arsenal are nowhere near city I’m afraid to break it to you and you have now lost me trying to even compare yourself to them even if you admit you aren’t there yet (you think you will get to their level?? I don’t )
However I want to control games
I’m just going to keep my powder drier is all
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Read what I said. I admit we are not near their levels.
But how do get to that level unless you start down that road?
Of course there are many different ways of playing. Mourinho played counter attack and beat the the Pep system at Barca.
But there are some ways of play that clubs have established in their ethos. Wenger played a open, attacking style of football. And as fans we are happy that finally Arteta is establishing that style once again. I don't care if we are ever able to get to Man City's level. But at least the journey will be fun unlike the dross we were watching when Arteta first joined and in fact played for almost 2 years.
I actually used to think Spurs fans liked that attacking style as well from Hoddle/Waddle days. But obviously not that you have Mr pragmatic Conte. The Mourinho disciple.
posted on 18/9/22
I think that is very unfair to Klopp and Pep. They have established that where ever they have gone. Its what makes then brilliant managers and the best in the world. That was the hope we had with Arteta. But it was theory. And for the first two years Arteta was unable to get himself across. Maybe he didn't have enough confidence in himself so relied on a counter attack system. Which was was getting us nowhere and probably to an eventual sack. And I don't know what clicked in him but something changed last December and he decided to be more attack minded with a change in formation. After that I think Arteta has grown as the team has grown. Maybe that was the plan all along and buying the players to be able to push up (Gabriel, White, Tomi) to be able to possess the ball in the opposing half was the plan all along. Buying players is an important part of the equation and KSE have spent £250m+ over the last two seasons. But we have spent money before and so have others like Man Utd etc. and gone nowhere.
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The first year Guardiola was here he finished third with a decent squad. In order to implement his style of play he needed certain types of player in terms mentality and quality and that obviously cost a lot of money you could say the same to a lesser extent about Klopp. Having a philosophy is important but if you don't have the tools to implement it then doesn't really matter who the manager is. You can say the same about Arsenal to lesser extent, when Arteta took over there was no way he could implement a high pressure high tempo team when you've got the likes of Ozil and Aubameyang in your team. You might get a tune out of them for a while but ultimately they didn't fit the profile of what was required. External issues with some of these players existed as well but fundamentally they couldn't integrate into what Arteta wanted.
posted on 18/9/22
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
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The first year Guardiola was here he finished third with a decent squad. In order to implement his style of play he needed certain types of player in terms mentality and quality and that obviously cost a lot of money you could say the same to a lesser extent about Klopp. Having a philosophy is important but if you don't have the tools to implement it then doesn't really matter who the manager is. You can say the same about Arsenal to lesser extent, when Arteta took over there was no way he could implement a high pressure high tempo team when you've got the likes of Ozil and Aubameyang in your team. You might get a tune out of them for a while but ultimately they didn't fit the profile of what was required. External issues with some of these players existed as well but fundamentally they couldn't integrate into what Arteta wanted.
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The thing that infuriated me the most of Arteta's early years is that did he not even try? Its why I used to say, we thought we bought Pep Jnr but ended up with Moyes Jnr. Would it have been so bad that we finished less than mid table where we did end up and still out of Europe as well? Anyway its water under the bridge and we definitely look on the right path this last calender year.
posted on 18/9/22
The thing that infuriated me the most of Arteta's early years is that did he not even try? Its why I used to say, we thought we bought Pep Jnr but ended up with Moyes Jnr. Would it have been so bad that we finished less than mid table where we did end up and still out of Europe as well? Anyway its water under the bridge and we definitely look on the right path this last calender year.
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Unfair to say he didn’t try. But he was awful, had to learn with the job. Hired him 2 years too early
posted on 18/9/22
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Now we are not near their precision at the moment. Which is why Man Utd caught us with counters. But we are getting there and the intent is to develop to their level.
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Tottenham have a good recent record against city so not sure what you are trying to say ….you don’t need to match that tempo to win
Arsenal are nowhere near city I’m afraid to break it to you and you have now lost me trying to even compare yourself to them even if you admit you aren’t there yet (you think you will get to their level?? I don’t )
However I want to control games
I’m just going to keep my powder drier is all
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Read what I said. I admit we are not near their levels.
But how do get to that level unless you start down that road?
Of course there are many different ways of playing. Mourinho played counter attack and beat the the Pep system at Barca.
But there are some ways of play that clubs have established in their ethos. Wenger played a open, attacking style of football. And as fans we are happy that finally Arteta is establishing that style once again. I don't care if we are ever able to get to Man City's level. But at least the journey will be fun unlike the dross we were watching when Arteta first joined and in fact played for almost 2 years.
I actually used to think Spurs fans liked that attacking style as well from Hoddle/Waddle days. But obviously not that you have Mr pragmatic Conte. The Mourinho disciple.
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You said the words you aren’t there yet and you are getting there which just implied you think you will get to city’s level, if I’ve misinterpreted my bad but that’s how it reads
Not sure where you get the idea from that spurs fans don’t like attacking footy ….we aren’t dictating tactics
Just in this thread alone I’ve said I don’t like not controlling games….it’s uncomfortable to watch for a start
Under Poch we controlled games and pressed teams to death and played good fast football too so how we play now is a difficult watch at times
Do I like Tottenham winning …..yep
Do I like how we are winning ….nope
I’d rather 3 points above all and hope the football improves
posted on 18/9/22
Arteta did not have the players. Sokratis, luiz, mustafi, torreira, ceballos etc. That's a horrible base to build from. Incapable of playing a high line, horrible at playing through a press.
posted on 18/9/22
And he still won an fa cup with that bunch playing 6 at the back sufferball.
posted on 18/9/22
comment by King TUt (U3732)
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Arteta did not have the players. Sokratis, luiz, mustafi, torreira, ceballos etc. That's a horrible base to build from. Incapable of playing a high line, horrible at playing through a press.
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Sokratis and Mustafi were more than capable of holding a high line. You could argue Luiz but honestly Wenger managed to do it on occasion with Mertesacker. (sometimes with hillarious results, who can forget Klopp destroying when he was at Dortmund)
Similarly when you compress space, those with little pace like Arteta was able to control space in MF. One reason why its never worked with slow Xhaka is his inability to cover space from defence to attack. So when you feed slow ball to Ozil, how is he going find space to play through balls to Laca or Auba?
Look at the difference in Xhaka now that he is playing slight higher and not required to cover that space?
posted on 18/9/22
Sokratis and Mustafi were more than capable of holding a high line.
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No, they weren't. Sokratis was horrendous on the ball and mustafi too brain dead to concentrate. Luiz was magnificent with distribution, but had no legs.
You need to be good at both to hold a high line successfully. There's no point being quick if you can't play out, especially when the opposition can just run through your midfield and with nobody to hold it up top.
We've slowly cleared out the expensive old guard and replaced with fresh, hungry modern players. It's not a coincidence.
posted on 18/9/22
The key is to keep refining the team; letting go of the weak links and adding quality.
If we get Mudryk and Danilo in January, we are are shoe-in for top four
posted on 18/9/22
Even managed to give a 15 year old his debut What were you doing at 15
Playing some football. How the hell are some kids so good at football at this age?
posted on 12/11/22
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