comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
Because in this country, you vote for the Party. The voting slip says Conservative Labour Etc and you stick your little X where you want. The party has the mandate, its very very simple really.
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I know that, but if we're saying you vote for a party and they can then do literally whatever they want and have a mandate, then we may as well scrap manifestos and campaigning altogether and just say do you like the colour blue or red?
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No because they have a manifestos which is basically their Offer to the voters and the voters decide if they vote for it or not. In the case of this financial crisis, policies are being implemented now as a response to that separate and didferent from whatever their manifesto said in 2019 because in 2019 we hadn't had the pandemic Ukraine war etc.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Cons must have had the best PR managers to ever exist because they have been $crewing us over for 12 years and people still think it was all 'necessary' .
The deflect and distract tactic is used so well by them too that it seems that their supporters use it regularly whenever you call them out on anything.
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This is just another variation of blaming the bias right wing media.
Its amazing to think how fecking awful it gets before Labour start showing a lead in the polls. Says something about the credibility of all parties really.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
Because in this country, you vote for the Party. The voting slip says Conservative Labour Etc and you stick your little X where you want. The party has the mandate, its very very simple really.
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I know that, but if we're saying you vote for a party and they can then do literally whatever they want and have a mandate, then we may as well scrap manifestos and campaigning altogether and just say do you like the colour blue or red?
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No because they have a manifestos which is basically their Offer to the voters and the voters decide if they vote for it or not. In the case of this financial crisis, policies are being implemented now as a response to that separate and didferent from whatever their manifesto said in 2019 because in 2019 we hadn't had the pandemic Ukraine war etc.
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To be fair many of the issues facing the country are also the direct result of policy choices by the government.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Cons must have had the best PR managers to ever exist because they have been $crewing us over for 12 years and people still think it was all 'necessary' .
The deflect and distract tactic is used so well by them too that it seems that their supporters use it regularly whenever you call them out on anything.
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This is just another variation of blaming the bias right wing media.
Its amazing to think how fecking awful it gets before Labour start showing a lead in the polls. Says something about the credibility of all parties really.
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You're literally doing what I just said' ...think how awful etc til labour blah blah'.. It is really BAD right now, under conservatives, but your still doing whatabouterry, of the party NOT in power.
How's Brexit going anyway?
We were told it would be chaos under Milliband then under Corbyn.
How's it not chaos now?
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 59 seconds ago
We were told it would be chaos under Milliband then under Corbyn.
How's it not chaos now?
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they meant it would be "chaos" for the rich under them
it's business as usual for the rich and chaos for the rest of us now
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Cons must have had the best PR managers to ever exist because they have been $crewing us over for 12 years and people still think it was all 'necessary' .
The deflect and distract tactic is used so well by them too that it seems that their supporters use it regularly whenever you call them out on anything.
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This is just another variation of blaming the bias right wing media.
Its amazing to think how fecking awful it gets before Labour start showing a lead in the polls. Says something about the credibility of all parties really.
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You're literally doing what I just said' ...think how awful etc til labour blah blah'.. It is really BAD right now, under conservatives, but your still doing whatabouterry, of the party NOT in power.
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Its nothing to do with PR and its nothing to do with the bias right wing media etc etc just feeble excuses peddled by losers.
Its like when managers moaning that teams come to play them and then defend, dont open up, play long balls and get physical. If Labour dont know how to make themselves electable then it is no fecking wonder the electorate havent trusted them to lead the Country.
You talk about deflection and yet you're pinning the Tories being in power on their PR machine, deflecting from the fact that Labour have failed to make themselves appear credible as leaders. They at least now seem to be getting themselves in order, united, decent Shadow Chancellor with credibility, but feck me the Tories have teed them up an open goal, they cannot miss! but probably will.
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
There is absolutely nothing democratic about what is going on right now. 99.2 per cent of the population did not vote for the current PM, Chancellor or their current policies.
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Thats the thing many people dont seem to understand.
In this country, nobody votes for the pm or the chancellor or any other member of the cabinet.
The election puts the party in power. What they then choose to do once in is pretty much up to them.
Thats why the electorate really need to be more long sighted than they are when voting.
Im not a huge fan of Starmer, but I like a lot of the depth in the Labour party so would be inclined to overlook the leader in favour of the greater good.
We dont just vote in a PM, we vote in a party. A lot of people seem to forget that and just base it on an American style popularity contest between the leaders.
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If you are only ever voting for a Parry, then why have the Tories felt the need to change leader four times in the past six years, I get you vote for a Party, but the leader also plays a massive part in which Party you vote for, and it would be silly to think otherwise. After all haven't we heard for the past three years that Boris delivered a 90 seat majority, and not the Conservative Party delivered a 90 seat majority.
As an outsider regardless of your political persuasion in the UK (and some on here are a bit OTT in their support) it is impossible to defend the tories.
It’s quite amusing to watch as it is usually our politicians that are this bad (they still are by the way)
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
There is absolutely nothing democratic about what is going on right now. 99.2 per cent of the population did not vote for the current PM, Chancellor or their current policies.
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Thats the thing many people dont seem to understand.
In this country, nobody votes for the pm or the chancellor or any other member of the cabinet.
The election puts the party in power. What they then choose to do once in is pretty much up to them.
Thats why the electorate really need to be more long sighted than they are when voting.
Im not a huge fan of Starmer, but I like a lot of the depth in the Labour party so would be inclined to overlook the leader in favour of the greater good.
We dont just vote in a PM, we vote in a party. A lot of people seem to forget that and just base it on an American style popularity contest between the leaders.
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If you are only ever voting for a Parry, then why have the Tories felt the need to change leader four times in the past six years, I get you vote for a Party, but the leader also plays a massive part in which Party you vote for, and it would be silly to think otherwise. After all haven't we heard for the past three years that Boris delivered a 90 seat majority, and not the Conservative Party delivered a 90 seat majority.
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Massive Constitutional reform is needed, starting with PR. No party can claim a mandate to impose extreme policies when a minority of the population votes them in, that would be curbed by them having to collaborate across the political spectrum.
Failing that, a mandatory GE when the PM is ousted by their own party or resigns.
Five years is far to long for any Party as incompetent as the current Tory Party to Govern. Even in the USA you get a vote every four years.
They need to change the rules. If you change PM then you go to the country. No it's no buts.
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour ago
The likes of Sandy are stuck in their ways, he will vote Liebour no matter what, even in the face of complete incompetence and the likes of Blair and Brown bankrupting the country.
Their is zero guarantee the Liebour Party will do a better job than the Tories, and with their track record they could in fact do a lot worse.
Have you seen how grammatically poor that Angela Raynor is, it makes me wonder how she made it to become an MP, do we really want people like that running the country.
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Billy, and you will always vote Tory, however bad it gets. So what's your point?
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Well no, I vote for who I think will do the best job at the time.
The point is, why do you feel the need to post horrendous political articles on an almost weekly basis, which adds nothing to the site other than to attract all the racists on here, a lot of morons and all the people with a chip on their shoulder.
Nothing is going to change in the short term, so why bother. Most people want what is best for themselves and nobody else, see some of the mug comments on this thread for all the proof you need.
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Billy, my last political post was months back. And frankly right now the State of the country is a lot more important than complaining about VARpool on a daily basis.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Cons must have had the best PR managers to ever exist because they have been $crewing us over for 12 years and people still think it was all 'necessary' .
The deflect and distract tactic is used so well by them too that it seems that their supporters use it regularly whenever you call them out on anything.
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This is just another variation of blaming the bias right wing media.
Its amazing to think how fecking awful it gets before Labour start showing a lead in the polls. Says something about the credibility of all parties really.
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You're literally doing what I just said' ...think how awful etc til labour blah blah'.. It is really BAD right now, under conservatives, but your still doing whatabouterry, of the party NOT in power.
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Its nothing to do with PR and its nothing to do with the bias right wing media etc etc just feeble excuses peddled by losers.
Its like when managers moaning that teams come to play them and then defend, dont open up, play long balls and get physical. If Labour dont know how to make themselves electable then it is no fecking wonder the electorate havent trusted them to lead the Country.
You talk about deflectionand yet you're pinning the Tories being in power on their PR machine, deflecting from the fact that Labour have failed to make themselves appear credible as leaders. They at least now seem to be getting themselves in order, united, decent Shadow Chancellor with credibility, but feck me the Tories have teed them up an open goal, they cannot miss! but probably will.
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1. there's clearly a hint of sarcasm in my post because it's impossible to actually record how their PR machine works..
2. then you did do what a LOT of Con voters do these days ' Labour would be worse...' when there is actually no evidence to back up that theory.
3. and you just said yourself 'that Labour have failed to make themselves appear credible as leaders' , so the Cons have good at APPEARING as credible leaders right, and who made them all look credible??
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour ago
The likes of Sandy are stuck in their ways, he will vote Liebour no matter what, even in the face of complete incompetence and the likes of Blair and Brown bankrupting the country.
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Have you seen the news recently, mate?
The damning part of the current affairs is that it really doesn't matter which party you elect when the economic odds are so stacked against you.
At best Labour wins the next GE, Starmer is The One and implements all the right policies, then you most likely end up with the results of Obama term I. The reason I mention him is twofold:
He also got elected at the early parts of an economic downturn / recession with actual experts in his office and being a bonafide experienced policy maker himself. And in an interview he in hindsight lamented that even the USA for all it's riches and power cannot easily 'internal policy' themselves out of a recession as before due to current day intertwined global economies. Which sounds true if you look at China nowadays who even have more power to make policies internally.
And that's with him doing all the right thing at the beginning of his term (borrowing money to spend on infra and small business/startups instead of austerity like most in Europe did). It took 2 terms and 7 years into it before you could see the early fruits of recovery. Meanwhile up until that point all he had accomplished short term was to alleviate pressure on the very poorest of society.
You guys probably shouldn't become Singapore on Thames, but most likely have to be Offshore Yanks to beat this one...
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour ago
The likes of Sandy are stuck in their ways, he will vote Liebour no matter what, even in the face of complete incompetence and the likes of Blair and Brown bankrupting the country.
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Have you seen the news recently, mate?
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Billy just won't accept what is happening right now. Still trying to blame Blair and Brown.
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
There is absolutely nothing democratic about what is going on right now. 99.2 per cent of the population did not vote for the current PM, Chancellor or their current policies.
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Thats the thing many people dont seem to understand.
In this country, nobody votes for the pm or the chancellor or any other member of the cabinet.
The election puts the party in power. What they then choose to do once in is pretty much up to them.
Thats why the electorate really need to be more long sighted than they are when voting.
Im not a huge fan of Starmer, but I like a lot of the depth in the Labour party so would be inclined to overlook the leader in favour of the greater good.
We dont just vote in a PM, we vote in a party. A lot of people seem to forget that and just base it on an American style popularity contest between the leaders.
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If you are only ever voting for a Parry, then why have the Tories felt the need to change leader four times in the past six years, I get you vote for a Party, but the leader also plays a massive part in which Party you vote for, and it would be silly to think otherwise. After all haven't we heard for the past three years that Boris delivered a 90 seat majority, and not the Conservative Party delivered a 90 seat majority.
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Massive Constitutional reform is needed, starting with PR. No party can claim a mandate to impose extreme policies when a minority of the population votes them in, that would be curbed by them having to collaborate across the political spectrum.
Failing that, a mandatory GE when the PM is ousted by their own party or resigns.
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The "minority of the population" you talk about is as much a function of only about two-thirds of the population actually voting than anything else. Even with PR, if one third dont vote then the same accusation can be levelled at the outcome.
Make voting compulsory would be the first action before any "massive Constitutional reform" soundbite you throw about.
As for PR, no Government is going to argue against a system that put them in power in the first instance and hence PR is only ever talked about by those out of power. It also has its failings and would give a genuine democratic voice to those truly on the extreme right, as we are seeing in other European countries. Your Nigel Farage's of this world and worse would be licking their lips, especially if you coupled compulsory voting with PR
I wish that voters of this country would stop with the tribalism. A political party is not your football club. You don’t have to support it when it gets relegated. You can change and you should change.
We are where we are after 12 years of this party rule. I cannot see any reason why you would continue to vote for this chaos. The last budget being the latest kick in the teeth to the country. Please look to change. Even if you just try to be objective about your current party.
We cannot let this continue. This country is on its knees and it is going to get worse.
We need a change.
Let’s have a look at it from the perspective of another country. Let’s say Spain, where I live. You know, the country that many Brits like to tell themselves is one of the basket cases of Europe.
Early doors went for a massive windfall tax on the energy companies.
Followed by tough price caps on gas and electricity.
Followed by strict price controls on the price of petrol and diesel.
After the energy companies (even after the windfall tax) complained that there was nowhere to park their excessive profits, hit the banks holding their money hard with a windfall tax.
Decided to make all public transport free to use for the rest of the year.
Last week decided to go after a windfall tax on the super mega uber-rich. (Anyone with a fortuna grande.)
And despite it all, have reduced the debt to GDP ratio by 8%.
Have raised the rate at which anyone starts to pay tax.
Currently has a budget surplus.
Some basket case, eh?
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Cons must have had the best PR managers to ever exist because they have been $crewing us over for 12 years and people still think it was all 'necessary' .
The deflect and distract tactic is used so well by them too that it seems that their supporters use it regularly whenever you call them out on anything.
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This is just another variation of blaming the bias right wing media.
Its amazing to think how fecking awful it gets before Labour start showing a lead in the polls. Says something about the credibility of all parties really.
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You're literally doing what I just said' ...think how awful etc til labour blah blah'.. It is really BAD right now, under conservatives, but your still doing whatabouterry, of the party NOT in power.
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Its nothing to do with PR and its nothing to do with the bias right wing media etc etc just feeble excuses peddled by losers.
Its like when managers moaning that teams come to play them and then defend, dont open up, play long balls and get physical. If Labour dont know how to make themselves electable then it is no fecking wonder the electorate havent trusted them to lead the Country.
You talk about deflectionand yet you're pinning the Tories being in power on their PR machine, deflecting from the fact that Labour have failed to make themselves appear credible as leaders. They at least now seem to be getting themselves in order, united, decent Shadow Chancellor with credibility, but feck me the Tories have teed them up an open goal, they cannot miss! but probably will.
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1. there's clearly a hint of sarcasm in my post because it's impossible to actually record how their PR machine works..
2. then you did do what a LOT of Con voters do these days ' Labour would be worse...' when there is actually no evidence to back up that theory.
3. and you just said yourself 'that Labour have failed to make themselves appear credible as leaders' , so the Cons have good at APPEARING as credible leaders right, and who made them all look credible??
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Well duh....have you not figured out yet that if you want to lead you have to do a good job of convincing others you are capable of doing so and that goes beyond policies. JC had some great policies and some which the 1970s called and asked for them back BUT as much as he seems like a genuine caring politician, Boris smashed him in the election and took seats from traditional red areas...so you love to label " Tory voters" but Labour lost the last GE massively and lost long held Labour seats, turning traditional labour voters in to Tory voters.....so you can generalise and pigeon hole what a Tory looks like all you want but a lot of them in 2019 have looked like Labour voters for years! That is a failure of the Labour Party, unable to convince their own hardcore voters to vote for them. In the referendum, JCs fence sitting, wishy washy approach, leaning towards remain but having historically been against the EU undermined his credibility amongst many. Weak ledership that stayed in peoples minds! Whatever you say about Liz Truss (I aint a fan BTW) at least she sticks to her guns and will own a situation, even if its justifying her u-turn from remain to leave etc, as she is now doing with her economic policy....that commitment and conviction coupled with better policies is what will convince an electorate.
As for, "a lot of Con voters say Labour would be worse!".....The Conservatives crushed Labour at the GE. It isnt a Tory voter thing, its an electorate thing.
Someone claiming "its a Labour thing that they say they could do a better job than the Cons" also cannot be backed up by evidence. Its just what each side claim of the other. So it's a total non-point.
But as said, Labour look to be starting to get their act together, on and off the pitch.
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 8 minutes ago
Let’s have a look at it from the perspective of another country. Let’s say Spain, where I live. You know, the country that many Brits like to tell themselves is one of the basket cases of Europe.
Early doors went for a massive windfall tax on the energy companies.
Followed by tough price caps on gas and electricity.
Followed by strict price controls on the price of petrol and diesel.
After the energy companies (even after the windfall tax) complained that there was nowhere to park their excessive profits, hit the banks holding their money hard with a windfall tax.
Decided to make all public transport free to use for the rest of the year.
Last week decided to go after a windfall tax on the super mega uber-rich. (Anyone with a fortuna grande.)
And despite it all, have reduced the debt to GDP ratio by 8%.
Have raised the rate at which anyone starts to pay tax.
Currently has a budget surplus.
Some basket case, eh?
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Well done Spain for reducing their debt to GDP ratio down from 120%
UKs GDP per capita is about 50% more than Spain's.
They are not a shining light of a modern economy, while they have improved their situation slightly in recent times, that is from a position of teetering on the edge.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
There is absolutely nothing democratic about what is going on right now. 99.2 per cent of the population did not vote for the current PM, Chancellor or their current policies.
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Thats the thing many people dont seem to understand.
In this country, nobody votes for the pm or the chancellor or any other member of the cabinet.
The election puts the party in power. What they then choose to do once in is pretty much up to them.
Thats why the electorate really need to be more long sighted than they are when voting.
Im not a huge fan of Starmer, but I like a lot of the depth in the Labour party so would be inclined to overlook the leader in favour of the greater good.
We dont just vote in a PM, we vote in a party. A lot of people seem to forget that and just base it on an American style popularity contest between the leaders.
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If you are only ever voting for a Parry, then why have the Tories felt the need to change leader four times in the past six years, I get you vote for a Party, but the leader also plays a massive part in which Party you vote for, and it would be silly to think otherwise. After all haven't we heard for the past three years that Boris delivered a 90 seat majority, and not the Conservative Party delivered a 90 seat majority.
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Massive Constitutional reform is needed, starting with PR. No party can claim a mandate to impose extreme policies when a minority of the population votes them in, that would be curbed by them having to collaborate across the political spectrum.
Failing that, a mandatory GE when the PM is ousted by their own party or resigns.
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The "minority of the population" you talk about is as much a function of only about two-thirds of the population actually voting than anything else. Even with PR, if one third dont vote then the same accusation can be levelled at the outcome.
Make voting compulsory would be the first action before any "massive Constitutional reform" soundbite you throw about.
As for PR, no Government is going to argue against a system that put them in power in the first instance and hence PR is only ever talked about by those out of power. It also has its failings and would give a genuine democratic voice to those truly on the extreme right, as we are seeing in other European countries. Your Nigel Farage's of this world and worse would be licking their lips, especially if you coupled compulsory voting with PR
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The conservatives were returned to power in 2019 with 43.6% of the popular vote. That's a minority, mate, nothing to do with any function of two thirds of the population voting or whatever you were trying to do with that.
When someone explains what you mean by a phrase you can't really snidely call it a soundbite
Thoroughly enjoyed Starmers speech today... looks like a PM in waiting
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 35 minutes ago
Let’s have a look at it from the perspective of another country. Let’s say Spain, where I live. You know, the country that many Brits like to tell themselves is one of the basket cases of Europe.
Early doors went for a massive windfall tax on the energy companies.
Followed by tough price caps on gas and electricity.
Followed by strict price controls on the price of petrol and diesel.
After the energy companies (even after the windfall tax) complained that there was nowhere to park their excessive profits, hit the banks holding their money hard with a windfall tax.
Decided to make all public transport free to use for the rest of the year.
Last week decided to go after a windfall tax on the super mega uber-rich. (Anyone with a fortuna grande.)
And despite it all, have reduced the debt to GDP ratio by 8%.
Have raised the rate at which anyone starts to pay tax.
Currently has a budget surplus.
Some basket case, eh?
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 8 minutes ago
Let’s have a look at it from the perspective of another country. Let’s say Spain, where I live. You know, the country that many Brits like to tell themselves is one of the basket cases of Europe.
Early doors went for a massive windfall tax on the energy companies.
Followed by tough price caps on gas and electricity.
Followed by strict price controls on the price of petrol and diesel.
After the energy companies (even after the windfall tax) complained that there was nowhere to park their excessive profits, hit the banks holding their money hard with a windfall tax.
Decided to make all public transport free to use for the rest of the year.
Last week decided to go after a windfall tax on the super mega uber-rich. (Anyone with a fortuna grande.)
And despite it all, have reduced the debt to GDP ratio by 8%.
Have raised the rate at which anyone starts to pay tax.
Currently has a budget surplus.
Some basket case, eh?
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Well done Spain for reducing their debt to GDP ratio down from 120%
UKs GDP per capita is about 50% more than Spain's.
They are not a shining light of a modern economy, while they have improved their situation slightly in recent times, that is from a position of teetering on the edge.
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He's obviously talking about the (excellent) work the current govt has done given the state of the country when it took over and the challenges it has faced (many of which have been very similar to those the UK has faced and the UK govt has failed to act on).
Not the entire facking politico-economic history of the country
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
Because in this country, you vote for the Party. The voting slip says Conservative Labour Etc and you stick your little X where you want. The party has the mandate, its very very simple really.
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I know that, but if we're saying you vote for a party and they can then do literally whatever they want and have a mandate, then we may as well scrap manifestos and campaigning altogether and just say do you like the colour blue or red?
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No because they have a manifestos which is basically their Offer to the voters and the voters decide if they vote for it or not. In the case of this financial crisis, policies are being implemented now as a response to that separate and didferent from whatever their manifesto said in 2019 because in 2019 we hadn't had the pandemic Ukraine war etc.
posted on 27/9/22
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Cons must have had the best PR managers to ever exist because they have been $crewing us over for 12 years and people still think it was all 'necessary' .
The deflect and distract tactic is used so well by them too that it seems that their supporters use it regularly whenever you call them out on anything.
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This is just another variation of blaming the bias right wing media.
Its amazing to think how fecking awful it gets before Labour start showing a lead in the polls. Says something about the credibility of all parties really.
posted on 27/9/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
Because in this country, you vote for the Party. The voting slip says Conservative Labour Etc and you stick your little X where you want. The party has the mandate, its very very simple really.
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I know that, but if we're saying you vote for a party and they can then do literally whatever they want and have a mandate, then we may as well scrap manifestos and campaigning altogether and just say do you like the colour blue or red?
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No because they have a manifestos which is basically their Offer to the voters and the voters decide if they vote for it or not. In the case of this financial crisis, policies are being implemented now as a response to that separate and didferent from whatever their manifesto said in 2019 because in 2019 we hadn't had the pandemic Ukraine war etc.
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To be fair many of the issues facing the country are also the direct result of policy choices by the government.
posted on 27/9/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Cons must have had the best PR managers to ever exist because they have been $crewing us over for 12 years and people still think it was all 'necessary' .
The deflect and distract tactic is used so well by them too that it seems that their supporters use it regularly whenever you call them out on anything.
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This is just another variation of blaming the bias right wing media.
Its amazing to think how fecking awful it gets before Labour start showing a lead in the polls. Says something about the credibility of all parties really.
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You're literally doing what I just said' ...think how awful etc til labour blah blah'.. It is really BAD right now, under conservatives, but your still doing whatabouterry, of the party NOT in power.
posted on 27/9/22
How's Brexit going anyway?
posted on 27/9/22
We were told it would be chaos under Milliband then under Corbyn.
How's it not chaos now?
posted on 27/9/22
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 59 seconds ago
We were told it would be chaos under Milliband then under Corbyn.
How's it not chaos now?
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they meant it would be "chaos" for the rich under them
it's business as usual for the rich and chaos for the rest of us now
posted on 27/9/22
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Cons must have had the best PR managers to ever exist because they have been $crewing us over for 12 years and people still think it was all 'necessary' .
The deflect and distract tactic is used so well by them too that it seems that their supporters use it regularly whenever you call them out on anything.
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This is just another variation of blaming the bias right wing media.
Its amazing to think how fecking awful it gets before Labour start showing a lead in the polls. Says something about the credibility of all parties really.
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You're literally doing what I just said' ...think how awful etc til labour blah blah'.. It is really BAD right now, under conservatives, but your still doing whatabouterry, of the party NOT in power.
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Its nothing to do with PR and its nothing to do with the bias right wing media etc etc just feeble excuses peddled by losers.
Its like when managers moaning that teams come to play them and then defend, dont open up, play long balls and get physical. If Labour dont know how to make themselves electable then it is no fecking wonder the electorate havent trusted them to lead the Country.
You talk about deflection and yet you're pinning the Tories being in power on their PR machine, deflecting from the fact that Labour have failed to make themselves appear credible as leaders. They at least now seem to be getting themselves in order, united, decent Shadow Chancellor with credibility, but feck me the Tories have teed them up an open goal, they cannot miss! but probably will.
posted on 27/9/22
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
There is absolutely nothing democratic about what is going on right now. 99.2 per cent of the population did not vote for the current PM, Chancellor or their current policies.
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Thats the thing many people dont seem to understand.
In this country, nobody votes for the pm or the chancellor or any other member of the cabinet.
The election puts the party in power. What they then choose to do once in is pretty much up to them.
Thats why the electorate really need to be more long sighted than they are when voting.
Im not a huge fan of Starmer, but I like a lot of the depth in the Labour party so would be inclined to overlook the leader in favour of the greater good.
We dont just vote in a PM, we vote in a party. A lot of people seem to forget that and just base it on an American style popularity contest between the leaders.
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If you are only ever voting for a Parry, then why have the Tories felt the need to change leader four times in the past six years, I get you vote for a Party, but the leader also plays a massive part in which Party you vote for, and it would be silly to think otherwise. After all haven't we heard for the past three years that Boris delivered a 90 seat majority, and not the Conservative Party delivered a 90 seat majority.
posted on 27/9/22
As an outsider regardless of your political persuasion in the UK (and some on here are a bit OTT in their support) it is impossible to defend the tories.
It’s quite amusing to watch as it is usually our politicians that are this bad (they still are by the way)
posted on 27/9/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
There is absolutely nothing democratic about what is going on right now. 99.2 per cent of the population did not vote for the current PM, Chancellor or their current policies.
...
Thats the thing many people dont seem to understand.
In this country, nobody votes for the pm or the chancellor or any other member of the cabinet.
The election puts the party in power. What they then choose to do once in is pretty much up to them.
Thats why the electorate really need to be more long sighted than they are when voting.
Im not a huge fan of Starmer, but I like a lot of the depth in the Labour party so would be inclined to overlook the leader in favour of the greater good.
We dont just vote in a PM, we vote in a party. A lot of people seem to forget that and just base it on an American style popularity contest between the leaders.
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If you are only ever voting for a Parry, then why have the Tories felt the need to change leader four times in the past six years, I get you vote for a Party, but the leader also plays a massive part in which Party you vote for, and it would be silly to think otherwise. After all haven't we heard for the past three years that Boris delivered a 90 seat majority, and not the Conservative Party delivered a 90 seat majority.
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Massive Constitutional reform is needed, starting with PR. No party can claim a mandate to impose extreme policies when a minority of the population votes them in, that would be curbed by them having to collaborate across the political spectrum.
Failing that, a mandatory GE when the PM is ousted by their own party or resigns.
posted on 27/9/22
Five years is far to long for any Party as incompetent as the current Tory Party to Govern. Even in the USA you get a vote every four years.
They need to change the rules. If you change PM then you go to the country. No it's no buts.
posted on 27/9/22
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour ago
The likes of Sandy are stuck in their ways, he will vote Liebour no matter what, even in the face of complete incompetence and the likes of Blair and Brown bankrupting the country.
Their is zero guarantee the Liebour Party will do a better job than the Tories, and with their track record they could in fact do a lot worse.
Have you seen how grammatically poor that Angela Raynor is, it makes me wonder how she made it to become an MP, do we really want people like that running the country.
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Billy, and you will always vote Tory, however bad it gets. So what's your point?
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Well no, I vote for who I think will do the best job at the time.
The point is, why do you feel the need to post horrendous political articles on an almost weekly basis, which adds nothing to the site other than to attract all the racists on here, a lot of morons and all the people with a chip on their shoulder.
Nothing is going to change in the short term, so why bother. Most people want what is best for themselves and nobody else, see some of the mug comments on this thread for all the proof you need.
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Billy, my last political post was months back. And frankly right now the State of the country is a lot more important than complaining about VARpool on a daily basis.
posted on 27/9/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Cons must have had the best PR managers to ever exist because they have been $crewing us over for 12 years and people still think it was all 'necessary' .
The deflect and distract tactic is used so well by them too that it seems that their supporters use it regularly whenever you call them out on anything.
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This is just another variation of blaming the bias right wing media.
Its amazing to think how fecking awful it gets before Labour start showing a lead in the polls. Says something about the credibility of all parties really.
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You're literally doing what I just said' ...think how awful etc til labour blah blah'.. It is really BAD right now, under conservatives, but your still doing whatabouterry, of the party NOT in power.
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Its nothing to do with PR and its nothing to do with the bias right wing media etc etc just feeble excuses peddled by losers.
Its like when managers moaning that teams come to play them and then defend, dont open up, play long balls and get physical. If Labour dont know how to make themselves electable then it is no fecking wonder the electorate havent trusted them to lead the Country.
You talk about deflectionand yet you're pinning the Tories being in power on their PR machine, deflecting from the fact that Labour have failed to make themselves appear credible as leaders. They at least now seem to be getting themselves in order, united, decent Shadow Chancellor with credibility, but feck me the Tories have teed them up an open goal, they cannot miss! but probably will.
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1. there's clearly a hint of sarcasm in my post because it's impossible to actually record how their PR machine works..
2. then you did do what a LOT of Con voters do these days ' Labour would be worse...' when there is actually no evidence to back up that theory.
3. and you just said yourself 'that Labour have failed to make themselves appear credible as leaders' , so the Cons have good at APPEARING as credible leaders right, and who made them all look credible??
posted on 27/9/22
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour ago
The likes of Sandy are stuck in their ways, he will vote Liebour no matter what, even in the face of complete incompetence and the likes of Blair and Brown bankrupting the country.
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Have you seen the news recently, mate?
posted on 27/9/22
The damning part of the current affairs is that it really doesn't matter which party you elect when the economic odds are so stacked against you.
At best Labour wins the next GE, Starmer is The One and implements all the right policies, then you most likely end up with the results of Obama term I. The reason I mention him is twofold:
He also got elected at the early parts of an economic downturn / recession with actual experts in his office and being a bonafide experienced policy maker himself. And in an interview he in hindsight lamented that even the USA for all it's riches and power cannot easily 'internal policy' themselves out of a recession as before due to current day intertwined global economies. Which sounds true if you look at China nowadays who even have more power to make policies internally.
And that's with him doing all the right thing at the beginning of his term (borrowing money to spend on infra and small business/startups instead of austerity like most in Europe did). It took 2 terms and 7 years into it before you could see the early fruits of recovery. Meanwhile up until that point all he had accomplished short term was to alleviate pressure on the very poorest of society.
You guys probably shouldn't become Singapore on Thames, but most likely have to be Offshore Yanks to beat this one...
posted on 27/9/22
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour ago
The likes of Sandy are stuck in their ways, he will vote Liebour no matter what, even in the face of complete incompetence and the likes of Blair and Brown bankrupting the country.
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Have you seen the news recently, mate?
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Billy just won't accept what is happening right now. Still trying to blame Blair and Brown.
posted on 27/9/22
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
There is absolutely nothing democratic about what is going on right now. 99.2 per cent of the population did not vote for the current PM, Chancellor or their current policies.
...
Thats the thing many people dont seem to understand.
In this country, nobody votes for the pm or the chancellor or any other member of the cabinet.
The election puts the party in power. What they then choose to do once in is pretty much up to them.
Thats why the electorate really need to be more long sighted than they are when voting.
Im not a huge fan of Starmer, but I like a lot of the depth in the Labour party so would be inclined to overlook the leader in favour of the greater good.
We dont just vote in a PM, we vote in a party. A lot of people seem to forget that and just base it on an American style popularity contest between the leaders.
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If you are only ever voting for a Parry, then why have the Tories felt the need to change leader four times in the past six years, I get you vote for a Party, but the leader also plays a massive part in which Party you vote for, and it would be silly to think otherwise. After all haven't we heard for the past three years that Boris delivered a 90 seat majority, and not the Conservative Party delivered a 90 seat majority.
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Massive Constitutional reform is needed, starting with PR. No party can claim a mandate to impose extreme policies when a minority of the population votes them in, that would be curbed by them having to collaborate across the political spectrum.
Failing that, a mandatory GE when the PM is ousted by their own party or resigns.
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The "minority of the population" you talk about is as much a function of only about two-thirds of the population actually voting than anything else. Even with PR, if one third dont vote then the same accusation can be levelled at the outcome.
Make voting compulsory would be the first action before any "massive Constitutional reform" soundbite you throw about.
As for PR, no Government is going to argue against a system that put them in power in the first instance and hence PR is only ever talked about by those out of power. It also has its failings and would give a genuine democratic voice to those truly on the extreme right, as we are seeing in other European countries. Your Nigel Farage's of this world and worse would be licking their lips, especially if you coupled compulsory voting with PR
posted on 27/9/22
I wish that voters of this country would stop with the tribalism. A political party is not your football club. You don’t have to support it when it gets relegated. You can change and you should change.
We are where we are after 12 years of this party rule. I cannot see any reason why you would continue to vote for this chaos. The last budget being the latest kick in the teeth to the country. Please look to change. Even if you just try to be objective about your current party.
We cannot let this continue. This country is on its knees and it is going to get worse.
We need a change.
posted on 27/9/22
Let’s have a look at it from the perspective of another country. Let’s say Spain, where I live. You know, the country that many Brits like to tell themselves is one of the basket cases of Europe.
Early doors went for a massive windfall tax on the energy companies.
Followed by tough price caps on gas and electricity.
Followed by strict price controls on the price of petrol and diesel.
After the energy companies (even after the windfall tax) complained that there was nowhere to park their excessive profits, hit the banks holding their money hard with a windfall tax.
Decided to make all public transport free to use for the rest of the year.
Last week decided to go after a windfall tax on the super mega uber-rich. (Anyone with a fortuna grande.)
And despite it all, have reduced the debt to GDP ratio by 8%.
Have raised the rate at which anyone starts to pay tax.
Currently has a budget surplus.
Some basket case, eh?
posted on 27/9/22
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Cons must have had the best PR managers to ever exist because they have been $crewing us over for 12 years and people still think it was all 'necessary' .
The deflect and distract tactic is used so well by them too that it seems that their supporters use it regularly whenever you call them out on anything.
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This is just another variation of blaming the bias right wing media.
Its amazing to think how fecking awful it gets before Labour start showing a lead in the polls. Says something about the credibility of all parties really.
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You're literally doing what I just said' ...think how awful etc til labour blah blah'.. It is really BAD right now, under conservatives, but your still doing whatabouterry, of the party NOT in power.
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Its nothing to do with PR and its nothing to do with the bias right wing media etc etc just feeble excuses peddled by losers.
Its like when managers moaning that teams come to play them and then defend, dont open up, play long balls and get physical. If Labour dont know how to make themselves electable then it is no fecking wonder the electorate havent trusted them to lead the Country.
You talk about deflectionand yet you're pinning the Tories being in power on their PR machine, deflecting from the fact that Labour have failed to make themselves appear credible as leaders. They at least now seem to be getting themselves in order, united, decent Shadow Chancellor with credibility, but feck me the Tories have teed them up an open goal, they cannot miss! but probably will.
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1. there's clearly a hint of sarcasm in my post because it's impossible to actually record how their PR machine works..
2. then you did do what a LOT of Con voters do these days ' Labour would be worse...' when there is actually no evidence to back up that theory.
3. and you just said yourself 'that Labour have failed to make themselves appear credible as leaders' , so the Cons have good at APPEARING as credible leaders right, and who made them all look credible??
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Well duh....have you not figured out yet that if you want to lead you have to do a good job of convincing others you are capable of doing so and that goes beyond policies. JC had some great policies and some which the 1970s called and asked for them back BUT as much as he seems like a genuine caring politician, Boris smashed him in the election and took seats from traditional red areas...so you love to label " Tory voters" but Labour lost the last GE massively and lost long held Labour seats, turning traditional labour voters in to Tory voters.....so you can generalise and pigeon hole what a Tory looks like all you want but a lot of them in 2019 have looked like Labour voters for years! That is a failure of the Labour Party, unable to convince their own hardcore voters to vote for them. In the referendum, JCs fence sitting, wishy washy approach, leaning towards remain but having historically been against the EU undermined his credibility amongst many. Weak ledership that stayed in peoples minds! Whatever you say about Liz Truss (I aint a fan BTW) at least she sticks to her guns and will own a situation, even if its justifying her u-turn from remain to leave etc, as she is now doing with her economic policy....that commitment and conviction coupled with better policies is what will convince an electorate.
As for, "a lot of Con voters say Labour would be worse!".....The Conservatives crushed Labour at the GE. It isnt a Tory voter thing, its an electorate thing.
Someone claiming "its a Labour thing that they say they could do a better job than the Cons" also cannot be backed up by evidence. Its just what each side claim of the other. So it's a total non-point.
But as said, Labour look to be starting to get their act together, on and off the pitch.
posted on 27/9/22
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 8 minutes ago
Let’s have a look at it from the perspective of another country. Let’s say Spain, where I live. You know, the country that many Brits like to tell themselves is one of the basket cases of Europe.
Early doors went for a massive windfall tax on the energy companies.
Followed by tough price caps on gas and electricity.
Followed by strict price controls on the price of petrol and diesel.
After the energy companies (even after the windfall tax) complained that there was nowhere to park their excessive profits, hit the banks holding their money hard with a windfall tax.
Decided to make all public transport free to use for the rest of the year.
Last week decided to go after a windfall tax on the super mega uber-rich. (Anyone with a fortuna grande.)
And despite it all, have reduced the debt to GDP ratio by 8%.
Have raised the rate at which anyone starts to pay tax.
Currently has a budget surplus.
Some basket case, eh?
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Well done Spain for reducing their debt to GDP ratio down from 120%
UKs GDP per capita is about 50% more than Spain's.
They are not a shining light of a modern economy, while they have improved their situation slightly in recent times, that is from a position of teetering on the edge.
posted on 27/9/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
There is absolutely nothing democratic about what is going on right now. 99.2 per cent of the population did not vote for the current PM, Chancellor or their current policies.
...
Thats the thing many people dont seem to understand.
In this country, nobody votes for the pm or the chancellor or any other member of the cabinet.
The election puts the party in power. What they then choose to do once in is pretty much up to them.
Thats why the electorate really need to be more long sighted than they are when voting.
Im not a huge fan of Starmer, but I like a lot of the depth in the Labour party so would be inclined to overlook the leader in favour of the greater good.
We dont just vote in a PM, we vote in a party. A lot of people seem to forget that and just base it on an American style popularity contest between the leaders.
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If you are only ever voting for a Parry, then why have the Tories felt the need to change leader four times in the past six years, I get you vote for a Party, but the leader also plays a massive part in which Party you vote for, and it would be silly to think otherwise. After all haven't we heard for the past three years that Boris delivered a 90 seat majority, and not the Conservative Party delivered a 90 seat majority.
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Massive Constitutional reform is needed, starting with PR. No party can claim a mandate to impose extreme policies when a minority of the population votes them in, that would be curbed by them having to collaborate across the political spectrum.
Failing that, a mandatory GE when the PM is ousted by their own party or resigns.
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The "minority of the population" you talk about is as much a function of only about two-thirds of the population actually voting than anything else. Even with PR, if one third dont vote then the same accusation can be levelled at the outcome.
Make voting compulsory would be the first action before any "massive Constitutional reform" soundbite you throw about.
As for PR, no Government is going to argue against a system that put them in power in the first instance and hence PR is only ever talked about by those out of power. It also has its failings and would give a genuine democratic voice to those truly on the extreme right, as we are seeing in other European countries. Your Nigel Farage's of this world and worse would be licking their lips, especially if you coupled compulsory voting with PR
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The conservatives were returned to power in 2019 with 43.6% of the popular vote. That's a minority, mate, nothing to do with any function of two thirds of the population voting or whatever you were trying to do with that.
When someone explains what you mean by a phrase you can't really snidely call it a soundbite
Thoroughly enjoyed Starmers speech today... looks like a PM in waiting
posted on 27/9/22
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 35 minutes ago
Let’s have a look at it from the perspective of another country. Let’s say Spain, where I live. You know, the country that many Brits like to tell themselves is one of the basket cases of Europe.
Early doors went for a massive windfall tax on the energy companies.
Followed by tough price caps on gas and electricity.
Followed by strict price controls on the price of petrol and diesel.
After the energy companies (even after the windfall tax) complained that there was nowhere to park their excessive profits, hit the banks holding their money hard with a windfall tax.
Decided to make all public transport free to use for the rest of the year.
Last week decided to go after a windfall tax on the super mega uber-rich. (Anyone with a fortuna grande.)
And despite it all, have reduced the debt to GDP ratio by 8%.
Have raised the rate at which anyone starts to pay tax.
Currently has a budget surplus.
Some basket case, eh?
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posted on 27/9/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 8 minutes ago
Let’s have a look at it from the perspective of another country. Let’s say Spain, where I live. You know, the country that many Brits like to tell themselves is one of the basket cases of Europe.
Early doors went for a massive windfall tax on the energy companies.
Followed by tough price caps on gas and electricity.
Followed by strict price controls on the price of petrol and diesel.
After the energy companies (even after the windfall tax) complained that there was nowhere to park their excessive profits, hit the banks holding their money hard with a windfall tax.
Decided to make all public transport free to use for the rest of the year.
Last week decided to go after a windfall tax on the super mega uber-rich. (Anyone with a fortuna grande.)
And despite it all, have reduced the debt to GDP ratio by 8%.
Have raised the rate at which anyone starts to pay tax.
Currently has a budget surplus.
Some basket case, eh?
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Well done Spain for reducing their debt to GDP ratio down from 120%
UKs GDP per capita is about 50% more than Spain's.
They are not a shining light of a modern economy, while they have improved their situation slightly in recent times, that is from a position of teetering on the edge.
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He's obviously talking about the (excellent) work the current govt has done given the state of the country when it took over and the challenges it has faced (many of which have been very similar to those the UK has faced and the UK govt has failed to act on).
Not the entire facking politico-economic history of the country
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