...common man...

Do you have a link to the podcast please Darren?

Somebody earlier mentioned justifying colonisation.
I'm sure most people didn't need to justify it, they thought it a good thing.
It's the difference between the modern mindset and the former one.

I think it was this one, Robbing.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5hY2FzdC5jb20vcHVibGljL3Nob3dzLzQwM2I4MDNkLTdkMGItNDlhNi1hZTY4LWNiMGEzN2I4Y2Q1Zg/episode/OTc2NmVhNzItM2NiZS00ZDcwLWIzNzQtM2QyNzEzODQ2M2Y3?hl=en-GB&ved=2ahUKEwiixJnh7db7AhWDScAKHXbrBYYQjrkEegQIBhAc&ep=6

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 10 seconds ago
I think it was this one, Robbing.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5hY2FzdC5jb20vcHVibGljL3Nob3dzLzQwM2I4MDNkLTdkMGItNDlhNi1hZTY4LWNiMGEzN2I4Y2Q1Zg/episode/OTc2NmVhNzItM2NiZS00ZDcwLWIzNzQtM2QyNzEzODQ2M2Y3?hl=en-GB&ved=2ahUKEwiixJnh7db7AhWDScAKHXbrBYYQjrkEegQIBhAc&ep=6


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Ta

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
...common man...

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Common man as in the vast majority. Not common as in lower class.

comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Who are these people? Seems like a mad thing to think
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Nearly everyone. We all think our ideas are our own, and that if we were born centuries ago our ideas would be the ones we have now.
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I disagree entirely that most people think like that. It makes no sense
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Simple solution.

Answering. Honeslty, would you be racist, homophobic and mysoginistic if you were about 200 years ago?

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 seconds ago
Then why do people now think things done in the past, attitudes from the past, are unacceptable now and so should have been unacceptable then?
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Because it's what is right. That doesn't mean they can't understand why it wasn't as prevalent but either way that's a bit of a leap at best.

What you drinking? I'm on the cabernet sauvignon.
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As I'm in Bordeaux for ten days, the same as you. I'm in bed at the moment but if I find a nice on at an OK price I'll post it.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
Somebody earlier mentioned justifying colonisation.
I'm sure most people didn't need to justify it, they thought it a good thing.
It's the difference between the modern mindset and the former one.
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Well how far do we strip this back because I'm fairly sure those being colonised were not that up for it.

Regardless anti colonisation goes back a long, long way but I'm still not sure what your point is. It's a bit of a non issue.

Have I missed 52’s point here? I don’t think he’s saying anything particularly controversial, nor is he trying to justify colonisation.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 seconds ago
Then why do people now think things done in the past, attitudes from the past, are unacceptable now and so should have been unacceptable then?
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Because it's what is right. That doesn't mean they can't understand why it wasn't as prevalent but either way that's a bit of a leap at best.

What you drinking? I'm on the cabernet sauvignon.
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As I'm in Bordeaux for ten days, the same as you. I'm in bed at the moment but if I find a nice on at an OK price I'll post it.
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I really want this to be 1950s slang for putting a straw in the bottle.

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 seconds ago
Then why do people now think things done in the past, attitudes from the past, are unacceptable now and so should have been unacceptable then?
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Because it's what is right. That doesn't mean they can't understand why it wasn't as prevalent but either way that's a bit of a leap at best.

What you drinking? I'm on the cabernet sauvignon.
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What we think is right is different. In Pendle we burned witches. Hanging drawing and quartering was an afternoons entertainment.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
...common man...

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Common man as in the vast majority. Not common as in lower class.
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Man. Why not tell us what women were thinking? Or uncommon men like oh I don't know.....Asians?.....Africans?

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 15 seconds ago
Have I missed 52’s point here? I don’t think he’s saying anything particularly controversial, nor is he trying to justify colonisation.
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Just that some may have said we should hold our elder to modern standards. The woman is in her 80's so he's doubled it up. I think.

The difference is that she is still alive and really, given her place, should be educated on such matters and that she is not, is on her.

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 seconds ago
Then why do people now think things done in the past, attitudes from the past, are unacceptable now and so should have been unacceptable then?
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Because it's what is right. That doesn't mean they can't understand why it wasn't as prevalent but either way that's a bit of a leap at best.

What you drinking? I'm on the cabernet sauvignon.
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As I'm in Bordeaux for ten days, the same as you. I'm in bed at the moment but if I find a nice on at an OK price I'll post it.
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I really want this to be 1950s slang for putting a straw in the bottle.
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Ha ha, but sorry. I pass three vineyards taking the granddaughters to school, so I'll see which one is best.

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 15 seconds ago
Have I missed 52’s point here? I don’t think he’s saying anything particularly controversial, nor is he trying to justify colonisation.
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Just that some may have said we should hold our elder to modern standards. The woman is in her 80's so he's doubled it up. I think.

The difference is that she is still alive and really, given her place, should be educated on such matters and that she is not, is on her.
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I've got the royal mixed up with this thread. No vineyards here but I did drive past an off license.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
...common man...

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Common man as in the vast majority. Not common as in lower class.
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Man. Why not tell us what women were thinking? Or uncommon men like oh I don't know.....Asians?.....Africans?
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Because I don't know what they were thinking. But we have literature here that tells us. Now I'm sure there is also literature in China, but I can't read it, and am not educated enough to have read a translation.
If you have then you know more than me.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
I think if you asked the average person 'would you think the same if you were born in China' they'd say no. Of course not.

Would you be the same person if you were born in 1882? You couldn't possibly be. I'd laugh if someone said yes.
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But you do realise there were people around at those times who supported diversity, were antislavery were against racism thought of women as equals?
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Not being unheard of is true, but they were people out of step with most.

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 15 seconds ago
Have I missed 52’s point here? I don’t think he’s saying anything particularly controversial, nor is he trying to justify colonisation.
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Just that some may have said we should hold our elder to modern standards. The woman is in her 80's so he's doubled it up. I think.

The difference is that she is still alive and really, given her place, should be educated on such matters and that she is not, is on her.
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I think it’s talking about moral back projection. And suggesting we’d think similar is probably true.

The sources are scarce for their views, but I wouldn’t have thought 17th century, Protestant peasants in Britain were reading Voltaire.

God, I love these threads. Different ideas put in a civilised debate.

*18th century

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
God, I love these threads. Different ideas put in a civilised debate.
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their trying too ban us from being white

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 15 seconds ago
Have I missed 52’s point here? I don’t think he’s saying anything particularly controversial, nor is he trying to justify colonisation.
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Just that some may have said we should hold our elder to modern standards. The woman is in her 80's so he's doubled it up. I think.

The difference is that she is still alive and really, given her place, should be educated on such matters and that she is not, is on her.
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Is it that big a stretch for a woman of 80, to think that a women named Ngozi Fulani, involved with a charity which supports women of African and Caribbean heritage, might come from an African or Caribbean background?

comment by The Butcher (U22703)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 15 seconds ago
Have I missed 52’s point here? I don’t think he’s saying anything particularly controversial, nor is he trying to justify colonisation.
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Just that some may have said we should hold our elder to modern standards. The woman is in her 80's so he's doubled it up. I think.

The difference is that she is still alive and really, given her place, should be educated on such matters and that she is not, is on her.
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Is it that big a stretch for a woman of 80, to think that a women named Ngozi Fulani, involved with a charity which supports women of African and Caribbean heritage, might come from an African or Caribbean background?
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/30/uk/buckingham-palace-resignation-intl/index.html

Her parents and some of her siblings were born in the Caribbean.