So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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posted 21 seconds ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
Carlo Ancelotti honours as a manager
Juventus
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
AC Milan
Serie A: 2003–04
Coppa Italia: 2002–03
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
runner-up: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2003,2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
Chelsea
Premier League: 2009–10
FA Cup: 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2009
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1: 2012–13
Real Madrid
La Liga: 2021–22
Copa del Rey: 2013–14
Supercopa de España: 2021–22
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2021–22
UEFA Super Cup: 2014,2022
FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 2016–17
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2017
Carlo Ancelotti honours as a manager
Juventus
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
AC Milan
Serie A: 2003–04
Coppa Italia: 2002–03
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
runner-up: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2003,2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
Chelsea
Premier League: 2009–10
FA Cup: 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2009
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1: 2012–13
Real Madrid
La Liga: 2021–22
Copa del Rey: 2013–14
Supercopa de España: 2021–22
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2021–22
UEFA Super Cup: 2014,2022
FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 2016–17
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2017
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Yeh but compare their time at little clubs Aberdeen and Everton
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posted 21 minutes ago
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posted 21 seconds ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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posted 14 minutes ago
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posted 21 minutes ago
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posted 21 seconds ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
comment by kramthered (U10304)
posted 33 minutes ago
Carlo Ancelotti honours as a manager
Juventus
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
AC Milan
Serie A: 2003–04
Coppa Italia: 2002–03
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
runner-up: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2003,2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
Chelsea
Premier League: 2009–10
FA Cup: 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2009
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1: 2012–13
Real Madrid
La Liga: 2021–22
Copa del Rey: 2013–14
Supercopa de España: 2021–22
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2021–22
UEFA Super Cup: 2014,2022
FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 2016–17
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2017
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Yeh but compare their time at little clubs Aberdeen and Everton
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Carlo also won things with great squads.
Fergie rebuilt his United side 4/5 times. That’s what really sets him apart, very few managers can do this.
In fact, I can’t think of a single manager who rebuilt a squad capable of winning champions league titles.
He also came up against Barca, possibly the greatest club side in history, twice in Cl finals.
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Not sure a club that have won 1 league title in 32 years should be allowed to be included in a discussion about a man who won 13 PL titles ...
Man City maybe because they've actually won the PL quite a few times.
Come back when you've won more than just the one league title in over 3 long decades and maybe I'll listen ...
Until then fook off!
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posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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The CL has changed so much that it’s hardly a fair comparison.
Next year it changes again.
There was a time when it was literally the league champions and no one else. There was also a period English teams were banned from European competition.
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posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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The CL has changed so much that it’s hardly a fair comparison.
Next year it changes again.
There was a time when it was literally the league champions and no one else. There was also a period English teams were banned from European competition.
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I just find it interesting how people used to criticise Fergie for his lack of success in Europe, when with each passing year that Pep doesn't win it for a third time, it makes it all the more understandable. I mean the record was only 3 until last year. It's obviously a very hard thing to win that you're not supposed to win all the time.
Fergie is head and shoulders above both Klopp and Pep.
Pep is the ultimate chequebook manager, and Klopp should have won a lot more than he has.
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comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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posted 21 seconds ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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His record in Europe is kind of standard when you consider how Pep and Mourinho have been doing since they last won it. It's impressive though that he was able to rebuild with a new team at the same club so many years on to be able to win it again. Who else has done that?
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posted 23 minutes ago
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posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
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posted 21 minutes ago
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posted 21 seconds ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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His record in Europe is kind of standard when you consider how Pep and Mourinho have been doing since they last won it. It's impressive though that he was able to rebuild with a new team at the same club so many years on to be able to win it again. Who else has done that?
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Pep and Jose have already each won 2 CL titles and they didn't need 25 years or the stability of one club to do it. Pep will probably win more than 13 league titles in his career, including probably maybe 6-7 Prem titles in 9 years? He's far better than Fergie in a titles to years ratio.
As for the ability to rebuild, Pep and Jose have rebuilt winning teams and that's with the handicap of having to do it at different clubs. Building at a different club with a whole new set of players with a different language and footballing culture is arguably more of an achievement than winning it over and over within the same league.
How would Fergie have done in Spain, Germany or Italy? We will never know but that's not a question we need to ask about Pep and Jose because they've gone there and done it and also did it in England too.
Fergie was unsackable from the time he won his first title. And that was a different age where managers weren't sacked so willy billy. By the time the age of sackings came he was already unsackable. There's periods he survived where most other managers at a top club would not IMO.
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posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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His record in Europe is kind of standard when you consider how Pep and Mourinho have been doing since they last won it. It's impressive though that he was able to rebuild with a new team at the same club so many years on to be able to win it again. Who else has done that?
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His bullying and buttering up of.officials didn't work as effectively in Europe.
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So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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His record in Europe is kind of standard when you consider how Pep and Mourinho have been doing since they last won it. It's impressive though that he was able to rebuild with a new team at the same club so many years on to be able to win it again. Who else has done that?
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Pep and Jose have already each won 2 CL titles and they didn't need 25 years or the stability of one club to do it. Pep will probably win more than 13 league titles in his career, including probably maybe 6-7 Prem titles in 9 years? He's far better than Fergie in a titles to years ratio.
As for the ability to rebuild, Pep and Jose have rebuilt winning teams and that's with the handicap of having to do it at different clubs. Building at a different club with a whole new set of players with a different language and footballing culture is arguably more of an achievement than winning it over and over within the same league.
How would Fergie have done in Spain, Germany or Italy? We will never know but that's not a question we need to ask about Pep and Jose because they've gone there and done it and also did it in England too.
Fergie was unsackable from the time he won his first title. And that was a different age where managers weren't sacked so willy billy. By the time the age of sackings came he was already unsackable. There's periods he survived where most other managers at a top club would not IMO.
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It's already been established that it hasn't been 25 years. He needed to get a struggling United up to speed first, and even then he would have got them already into the CL had it not been for the ban. Plus there weren't 4 places available for CL back in those early days like there are now.
As shown though, after initially great starts in the CL, both Pep and Mourinho have struggled to win it a third time. Had Pep stayed at Barcelona he'd probably have won more with that team, and having the best player in the world, but obviously he couldn't cope with staying longterm.
Pep has not yet rebuilt a team to win another CL. He is pretty much working with a new City team to the one he inherited but he still needs to prove he can win a CL with it. Fergie rebuilt a team twice to win it twice.
How Fergie would have done in another league at another top club will always be a debate. We can at least see what he did at Aberdeen and say that was a huge success. Obviously he's a winner so he'd have tried his best at whatever club.
When talking about SAFs European record, it shouldn't be forgotten that he was inhibited by the home grown player rule earlier in the 90s
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Fergie is head and shoulders above both Klopp and Pep.
Pep is the ultimate chequebook manager, and Klopp should have won a lot more than he has.
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Are you being dense on purpose? Klopp has won everything you can in England as well as CL, Super Cup and CWC. Those are all trophies btw. I know it might be hard to recognise their names as Spurs don't really do trophies do they? 🤣
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So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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His record in Europe is kind of standard when you consider how Pep and Mourinho have been doing since they last won it. It's impressive though that he was able to rebuild with a new team at the same club so many years on to be able to win it again. Who else has done that?
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Pep and Jose have already each won 2 CL titles and they didn't need 25 years or the stability of one club to do it. Pep will probably win more than 13 league titles in his career, including probably maybe 6-7 Prem titles in 9 years? He's far better than Fergie in a titles to years ratio.
As for the ability to rebuild, Pep and Jose have rebuilt winning teams and that's with the handicap of having to do it at different clubs. Building at a different club with a whole new set of players with a different language and footballing culture is arguably more of an achievement than winning it over and over within the same league.
How would Fergie have done in Spain, Germany or Italy? We will never know but that's not a question we need to ask about Pep and Jose because they've gone there and done it and also did it in England too.
Fergie was unsackable from the time he won his first title. And that was a different age where managers weren't sacked so willy billy. By the time the age of sackings came he was already unsackable. There's periods he survived where most other managers at a top club would not IMO.
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It's already been established that it hasn't been 25 years. He needed to get a struggling United up to speed first, and even then he would have got them already into the CL had it not been for the ban. Plus there weren't 4 places available for CL back in those early days like there are now.
As shown though, after initially great starts in the CL, both Pep and Mourinho have struggled to win it a third time. Had Pep stayed at Barcelona he'd probably have won more with that team, and having the best player in the world, but obviously he couldn't cope with staying longterm.
Pep has not yet rebuilt a team to win another CL. He is pretty much working with a new City team to the one he inherited but he still needs to prove he can win a CL with it. Fergie rebuilt a team twice to win it twice.
How Fergie would have done in another league at another top club will always be a debate. We can at least see what he did at Aberdeen and say that was a huge success. Obviously he's a winner so he'd have tried his best at whatever club.
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You keep saying it wasn't 25 years but that would mean he needed 6 years to set up his team.
Absolutely zero, nada, zilch chance a manager in recent times gets that much time. He would have been gone within 2 seasons.
Anyway, his European record is average overall as he is equalled or bested by many many other managers who have achieved more in Europe, within less time and under arguably more difficult circumstances.
Take out England from the equation, count only Europe and you'd have to look waaaaay down the list of GOAT managers to see Fergie's name. Even Zidane won it three times in a row. I'm not saying he isn't the best but he was only human still and had his blindspots.
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 9 hours, 20 minutes ago
Carlo Ancelotti honours as a manager
Juventus
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
AC Milan
Serie A: 2003–04
Coppa Italia: 2002–03
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
runner-up: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2003,2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
Chelsea
Premier League: 2009–10
FA Cup: 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2009
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1: 2012–13
Real Madrid
La Liga: 2021–22
Copa del Rey: 2013–14
Supercopa de España: 2021–22
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2021–22
UEFA Super Cup: 2014,2022
FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 2016–17
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2017
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So never more than one league title at a club despite managing some great ones?
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posted on 31/12/22
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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comment by No Love. (U1282)
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So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
posted on 31/12/22
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
posted on 31/12/22
Carlo Ancelotti honours as a manager
Juventus
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
AC Milan
Serie A: 2003–04
Coppa Italia: 2002–03
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
runner-up: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2003,2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
Chelsea
Premier League: 2009–10
FA Cup: 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2009
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1: 2012–13
Real Madrid
La Liga: 2021–22
Copa del Rey: 2013–14
Supercopa de España: 2021–22
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2021–22
UEFA Super Cup: 2014,2022
FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 2016–17
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2017
posted on 31/12/22
Carlo Ancelotti honours as a manager
Juventus
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
AC Milan
Serie A: 2003–04
Coppa Italia: 2002–03
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
runner-up: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2003,2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
Chelsea
Premier League: 2009–10
FA Cup: 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2009
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1: 2012–13
Real Madrid
La Liga: 2021–22
Copa del Rey: 2013–14
Supercopa de España: 2021–22
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2021–22
UEFA Super Cup: 2014,2022
FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 2016–17
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2017
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Yeh but compare their time at little clubs Aberdeen and Everton
posted on 31/12/22
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
posted on 31/12/22
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posted 14 minutes ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
posted on 31/12/22
comment by kramthered (U10304)
posted 33 minutes ago
Carlo Ancelotti honours as a manager
Juventus
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
AC Milan
Serie A: 2003–04
Coppa Italia: 2002–03
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
runner-up: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2003,2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
Chelsea
Premier League: 2009–10
FA Cup: 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2009
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1: 2012–13
Real Madrid
La Liga: 2021–22
Copa del Rey: 2013–14
Supercopa de España: 2021–22
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2021–22
UEFA Super Cup: 2014,2022
FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 2016–17
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2017
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Yeh but compare their time at little clubs Aberdeen and Everton
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Carlo also won things with great squads.
Fergie rebuilt his United side 4/5 times. That’s what really sets him apart, very few managers can do this.
In fact, I can’t think of a single manager who rebuilt a squad capable of winning champions league titles.
He also came up against Barca, possibly the greatest club side in history, twice in Cl finals.
posted on 31/12/22
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Not sure a club that have won 1 league title in 32 years should be allowed to be included in a discussion about a man who won 13 PL titles ...
Man City maybe because they've actually won the PL quite a few times.
posted on 31/12/22
Come back when you've won more than just the one league title in over 3 long decades and maybe I'll listen ...
Until then fook off!
posted on 31/12/22
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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The CL has changed so much that it’s hardly a fair comparison.
Next year it changes again.
There was a time when it was literally the league champions and no one else. There was also a period English teams were banned from European competition.
posted on 31/12/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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The CL has changed so much that it’s hardly a fair comparison.
Next year it changes again.
There was a time when it was literally the league champions and no one else. There was also a period English teams were banned from European competition.
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I just find it interesting how people used to criticise Fergie for his lack of success in Europe, when with each passing year that Pep doesn't win it for a third time, it makes it all the more understandable. I mean the record was only 3 until last year. It's obviously a very hard thing to win that you're not supposed to win all the time.
posted on 31/12/22
Fergie is head and shoulders above both Klopp and Pep.
Pep is the ultimate chequebook manager, and Klopp should have won a lot more than he has.
posted on 31/12/22
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
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posted 21 minutes ago
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comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
posted on 31/12/22
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posted 23 minutes ago
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posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
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posted 21 minutes ago
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posted 21 seconds ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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His record in Europe is kind of standard when you consider how Pep and Mourinho have been doing since they last won it. It's impressive though that he was able to rebuild with a new team at the same club so many years on to be able to win it again. Who else has done that?
posted on 31/12/22
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posted 15 minutes ago
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posted 23 minutes ago
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posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
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posted 21 minutes ago
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posted 21 seconds ago
comment by No Love. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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His record in Europe is kind of standard when you consider how Pep and Mourinho have been doing since they last won it. It's impressive though that he was able to rebuild with a new team at the same club so many years on to be able to win it again. Who else has done that?
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Pep and Jose have already each won 2 CL titles and they didn't need 25 years or the stability of one club to do it. Pep will probably win more than 13 league titles in his career, including probably maybe 6-7 Prem titles in 9 years? He's far better than Fergie in a titles to years ratio.
As for the ability to rebuild, Pep and Jose have rebuilt winning teams and that's with the handicap of having to do it at different clubs. Building at a different club with a whole new set of players with a different language and footballing culture is arguably more of an achievement than winning it over and over within the same league.
How would Fergie have done in Spain, Germany or Italy? We will never know but that's not a question we need to ask about Pep and Jose because they've gone there and done it and also did it in England too.
Fergie was unsackable from the time he won his first title. And that was a different age where managers weren't sacked so willy billy. By the time the age of sackings came he was already unsackable. There's periods he survived where most other managers at a top club would not IMO.
posted on 31/12/22
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So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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His record in Europe is kind of standard when you consider how Pep and Mourinho have been doing since they last won it. It's impressive though that he was able to rebuild with a new team at the same club so many years on to be able to win it again. Who else has done that?
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His bullying and buttering up of.officials didn't work as effectively in Europe.
posted on 31/12/22
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So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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His record in Europe is kind of standard when you consider how Pep and Mourinho have been doing since they last won it. It's impressive though that he was able to rebuild with a new team at the same club so many years on to be able to win it again. Who else has done that?
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Pep and Jose have already each won 2 CL titles and they didn't need 25 years or the stability of one club to do it. Pep will probably win more than 13 league titles in his career, including probably maybe 6-7 Prem titles in 9 years? He's far better than Fergie in a titles to years ratio.
As for the ability to rebuild, Pep and Jose have rebuilt winning teams and that's with the handicap of having to do it at different clubs. Building at a different club with a whole new set of players with a different language and footballing culture is arguably more of an achievement than winning it over and over within the same league.
How would Fergie have done in Spain, Germany or Italy? We will never know but that's not a question we need to ask about Pep and Jose because they've gone there and done it and also did it in England too.
Fergie was unsackable from the time he won his first title. And that was a different age where managers weren't sacked so willy billy. By the time the age of sackings came he was already unsackable. There's periods he survived where most other managers at a top club would not IMO.
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It's already been established that it hasn't been 25 years. He needed to get a struggling United up to speed first, and even then he would have got them already into the CL had it not been for the ban. Plus there weren't 4 places available for CL back in those early days like there are now.
As shown though, after initially great starts in the CL, both Pep and Mourinho have struggled to win it a third time. Had Pep stayed at Barcelona he'd probably have won more with that team, and having the best player in the world, but obviously he couldn't cope with staying longterm.
Pep has not yet rebuilt a team to win another CL. He is pretty much working with a new City team to the one he inherited but he still needs to prove he can win a CL with it. Fergie rebuilt a team twice to win it twice.
How Fergie would have done in another league at another top club will always be a debate. We can at least see what he did at Aberdeen and say that was a huge success. Obviously he's a winner so he'd have tried his best at whatever club.
posted on 31/12/22
When talking about SAFs European record, it shouldn't be forgotten that he was inhibited by the home grown player rule earlier in the 90s
posted on 31/12/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Fergie is head and shoulders above both Klopp and Pep.
Pep is the ultimate chequebook manager, and Klopp should have won a lot more than he has.
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Are you being dense on purpose? Klopp has won everything you can in England as well as CL, Super Cup and CWC. Those are all trophies btw. I know it might be hard to recognise their names as Spurs don't really do trophies do they? 🤣
posted on 31/12/22
posted on 31/12/22
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So Fergie is 81? Pele died at 82 so they're age mates.
Makes you wonder what Fergie was up to while Pele was becoming the King of football.
Also, in less than 5 years Klopp has won half the Champions League titles that Fergie won over 25 years. Also took Fergie 6 years to build his first team, almost got sacked. Klopp has won everything in club football before 6 years.
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Fergie only had 19 years in the CL and won it twice. Klopp has had 9 years including at Dortmund and won it once. Chances are Klopp's record will end up being similar.
Pep is on 2 CL in 13 years, and at clubs a lot more equipped to win it I would say.
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So he didn't even make the Champions League for 6 out of the 25 years? And only won it twice?
Not very GOATesque.
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Your lack of football history knowledge is astonishing.
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Got to be a wum. Surely?
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On a serious note, I'm not saying Fergie isn't the GOAT and his league record will probably never be bested. Will any manager ever stay 25 years at a club again? Perhaps those days are gone now, but his European record isn't all that tbh. It's when you put all his achievements together and also the longevity that he stands out as unique IMO.
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His record in Europe is kind of standard when you consider how Pep and Mourinho have been doing since they last won it. It's impressive though that he was able to rebuild with a new team at the same club so many years on to be able to win it again. Who else has done that?
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Pep and Jose have already each won 2 CL titles and they didn't need 25 years or the stability of one club to do it. Pep will probably win more than 13 league titles in his career, including probably maybe 6-7 Prem titles in 9 years? He's far better than Fergie in a titles to years ratio.
As for the ability to rebuild, Pep and Jose have rebuilt winning teams and that's with the handicap of having to do it at different clubs. Building at a different club with a whole new set of players with a different language and footballing culture is arguably more of an achievement than winning it over and over within the same league.
How would Fergie have done in Spain, Germany or Italy? We will never know but that's not a question we need to ask about Pep and Jose because they've gone there and done it and also did it in England too.
Fergie was unsackable from the time he won his first title. And that was a different age where managers weren't sacked so willy billy. By the time the age of sackings came he was already unsackable. There's periods he survived where most other managers at a top club would not IMO.
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It's already been established that it hasn't been 25 years. He needed to get a struggling United up to speed first, and even then he would have got them already into the CL had it not been for the ban. Plus there weren't 4 places available for CL back in those early days like there are now.
As shown though, after initially great starts in the CL, both Pep and Mourinho have struggled to win it a third time. Had Pep stayed at Barcelona he'd probably have won more with that team, and having the best player in the world, but obviously he couldn't cope with staying longterm.
Pep has not yet rebuilt a team to win another CL. He is pretty much working with a new City team to the one he inherited but he still needs to prove he can win a CL with it. Fergie rebuilt a team twice to win it twice.
How Fergie would have done in another league at another top club will always be a debate. We can at least see what he did at Aberdeen and say that was a huge success. Obviously he's a winner so he'd have tried his best at whatever club.
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You keep saying it wasn't 25 years but that would mean he needed 6 years to set up his team.
Absolutely zero, nada, zilch chance a manager in recent times gets that much time. He would have been gone within 2 seasons.
Anyway, his European record is average overall as he is equalled or bested by many many other managers who have achieved more in Europe, within less time and under arguably more difficult circumstances.
Take out England from the equation, count only Europe and you'd have to look waaaaay down the list of GOAT managers to see Fergie's name. Even Zidane won it three times in a row. I'm not saying he isn't the best but he was only human still and had his blindspots.
posted on 31/12/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 9 hours, 20 minutes ago
Carlo Ancelotti honours as a manager
Juventus
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
AC Milan
Serie A: 2003–04
Coppa Italia: 2002–03
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
runner-up: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2003,2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
Chelsea
Premier League: 2009–10
FA Cup: 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2009
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1: 2012–13
Real Madrid
La Liga: 2021–22
Copa del Rey: 2013–14
Supercopa de España: 2021–22
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2021–22
UEFA Super Cup: 2014,2022
FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 2016–17
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2017
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So never more than one league title at a club despite managing some great ones?
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