Agree with most here, that Newcastle will probably drop off now and 4th place will be decided between Spurs and Liverpool.
The trip to Anfield at the end of April will be key, I think. Still annoyed at the fact we had them at home when they were playing poorly and we just rolled over.
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I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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People all said the same 2 seasons ago and then we won 8 and drew 2 of our last 10 league games to finish 3rd with nat phillips and rys williams at centre back.
Again we'll see what happens but this group of players know how to string a big run together.
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Agree with most here, that Newcastle will probably drop off now and 4th place will be decided between Spurs and Liverpool.
The trip to Anfield at the end of April will be key, I think. Still annoyed at the fact we had them at home when they were playing poorly and we just rolled over.
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We will roll over at Anfield as well.
P14 W10 L2 D2
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A repeat of that and 74 points should be enough.
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posted 1 minute ago
I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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People all said the same 2 seasons ago and then we won 8 and drew 2 of our last 10 league games to finish 3rd with nat phillips and rys williams at centre back.
Again we'll see what happens but this group of players know how to string a big run together.
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True but you got 69 points to scrape 3rd in a weird covid hit season where 74 points got 2nd. I think it will require 74 points to get 4th this year.
Penited are not slipping up, they are like Varpool and immune from red cards etc, the game just gone and they were dragged to 3 points by the officials. Sabitzer was let off a clear red card and Rashford was given a goal for being offside (the mug operating the technology aired on the side of United when Rashford looked offside imo).
It all makes a massive difference and a huge points swing come the final reckoning.
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comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 minute ago
I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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People all said the same 2 seasons ago and then we won 8 and drew 2 of our last 10 league games to finish 3rd with nat phillips and rys williams at centre back.
Again we'll see what happens but this group of players know how to string a big run together.
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True but you got 69 points to scrape 3rd in a weird covid hit season where 74 points got 2nd. I think it will require 74 points to get 4th this year.
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70 points will likely get top 4 with change to spare.
I also think Varpool are favourites for 4th, not because they any better than Spurs or have a better manager, but because they will likely have no cup commitments after this round of the CL, and will always have the officials giving them the benefit of doubt when it matters.
We all know their players are immune from red cards and have to commit GBH for the officials to even consider awarding a penalty kick against them. And even then, we have seen reckless deliberate elbows from the likes of Fabinho go unpunished. It all adds up to a massive difference and points swing in their favour.
71 is the 10 year average for 4th and 69 wasn't particularly low.
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comment by SteveF (U22027)
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I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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People all said the same 2 seasons ago and then we won 8 and drew 2 of our last 10 league games to finish 3rd with nat phillips and rys williams at centre back.
Again we'll see what happens but this group of players know how to string a big run together.
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True but you got 69 points to scrape 3rd in a weird covid hit season where 74 points got 2nd. I think it will require 74 points to get 4th this year.
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70 points will likely get top 4 with change to spare.
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Yeah id agree. Teams are dropping points left right and centre. Newcastle have drawn 11 times ffs and are still the team with 4th in their hands (game in hand).
We have palace away next. Thats exactly the kind of game weve lost over and over this season. We win that 1 I think that will be a sign weve turned a corner now.
For what its worth I wouldnt have us as favourites for 4th. Honestly nothing in it. I can see why youd back your side and for me im going to back us to find a way somehow.
Liverpool need to sort their away form out. If they do that they’ll probably get top four.
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I think we will average 1.5 points per game till end of season. 23 games left that's 34.5 points. We on 42.
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Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I think we will average 1.5 points per game till end of season. 23 games left that's 34.5 points. We on 42.
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You've 15 games left, that's another 22.5 points.
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comment by Totally ambivalent towards Conte (U22347)
posted 1 minute ago
Agree with most here, that Newcastle will probably drop off now and 4th place will be decided between Spurs and Liverpool.
The trip to Anfield at the end of April will be key, I think. Still annoyed at the fact we had them at home when they were playing poorly and we just rolled over.
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We will roll over at Anfield as well.
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Of this, there is no doubt
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comment by The Process (U20671)
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Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I think we will average 1.5 points per game till end of season. 23 games left that's 34.5 points. We on 42.
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14 games left that's 21 points and a total of 63
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comment by The Process (U20671)
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Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I think we will average 1.5 points per game till end of season. 23 games left that's 34.5 points. We on 42.
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You've 15 games left, that's another 22.5 points.
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*14 sorry
we need 2 points a game minimum to get 4th
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Yeah id agree. Teams are dropping points left right and centre. Newcastle have drawn 11 times ffs and are still the team with 4th in their hands (game in hand).
We have palace away next. Thats exactly the kind of game weve lost over and over this season. We win that 1 I think that will be a sign weve turned a corner now.
For what its worth I wouldnt have us as favourites for 4th. Honestly nothing in it. I can see why youd back your side and for me im going to back us to find a way somehow.
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Again though, like Everton & NUFC, Palace's form is dreadful. 3 points from the last 18. Beating them is hardly a benchmark for any team being at their best
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posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I reckon between 65-70 will be required. Your 66.5 fits into that scenario.
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posted 1 minute ago
I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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We don’t need to be close to the levels from last year to finish ahead of Spurs considering we dropped 4 points in the entire second half of last season.
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I reckon between 65-70 will be required. Your 66.5 fits into that scenario.
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Said it and predicted it that it will be a low points tally for top 4 this season, and all top 4s will bunch up and with not much difference between them....Every point will become crucial like gold dust, as it could mean higher or lower up the table in a weird way. Generally there is a gap in between certain teams....Generally City and the rest. But I think this season it will be as tight as Daniel Levy's wallet!!
Liverpool won’t need to be anything special to finish above Spurs. They’ve got two games in hand, and the three points at Anfield that Spurs will give them, to wipe out that lead.
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comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 minute ago
I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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We don’t need to be close to the levels from last year to finish ahead of Spurs considering we dropped 4 points in the entire second half of last season.
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Well that depends on Spurs form too.
Despite Liverpool's revival and Spurs poor form, we're still in better form
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posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I reckon between 65-70 will be required. Your 66.5 fits into that scenario.
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I can see the likes of LFC and Spurs picking up their form as the end of the season is starting to come into focus.
Would fully expect both teams to exceed 2 points a game which would be 70-75 points for the top 4.
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posted on 20/2/23
Agree with most here, that Newcastle will probably drop off now and 4th place will be decided between Spurs and Liverpool.
The trip to Anfield at the end of April will be key, I think. Still annoyed at the fact we had them at home when they were playing poorly and we just rolled over.
posted on 20/2/23
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I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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People all said the same 2 seasons ago and then we won 8 and drew 2 of our last 10 league games to finish 3rd with nat phillips and rys williams at centre back.
Again we'll see what happens but this group of players know how to string a big run together.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by Totally ambivalent towards Conte (U22347)
posted 1 minute ago
Agree with most here, that Newcastle will probably drop off now and 4th place will be decided between Spurs and Liverpool.
The trip to Anfield at the end of April will be key, I think. Still annoyed at the fact we had them at home when they were playing poorly and we just rolled over.
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We will roll over at Anfield as well.
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P14 W10 L2 D2
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A repeat of that and 74 points should be enough.
posted on 20/2/23
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posted 1 minute ago
I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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People all said the same 2 seasons ago and then we won 8 and drew 2 of our last 10 league games to finish 3rd with nat phillips and rys williams at centre back.
Again we'll see what happens but this group of players know how to string a big run together.
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True but you got 69 points to scrape 3rd in a weird covid hit season where 74 points got 2nd. I think it will require 74 points to get 4th this year.
posted on 20/2/23
Penited are not slipping up, they are like Varpool and immune from red cards etc, the game just gone and they were dragged to 3 points by the officials. Sabitzer was let off a clear red card and Rashford was given a goal for being offside (the mug operating the technology aired on the side of United when Rashford looked offside imo).
It all makes a massive difference and a huge points swing come the final reckoning.
posted on 20/2/23
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posted 1 minute ago
I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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People all said the same 2 seasons ago and then we won 8 and drew 2 of our last 10 league games to finish 3rd with nat phillips and rys williams at centre back.
Again we'll see what happens but this group of players know how to string a big run together.
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True but you got 69 points to scrape 3rd in a weird covid hit season where 74 points got 2nd. I think it will require 74 points to get 4th this year.
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70 points will likely get top 4 with change to spare.
posted on 20/2/23
I also think Varpool are favourites for 4th, not because they any better than Spurs or have a better manager, but because they will likely have no cup commitments after this round of the CL, and will always have the officials giving them the benefit of doubt when it matters.
We all know their players are immune from red cards and have to commit GBH for the officials to even consider awarding a penalty kick against them. And even then, we have seen reckless deliberate elbows from the likes of Fabinho go unpunished. It all adds up to a massive difference and points swing in their favour.
posted on 20/2/23
71 is the 10 year average for 4th and 69 wasn't particularly low.
posted on 20/2/23
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posted 1 minute ago
I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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People all said the same 2 seasons ago and then we won 8 and drew 2 of our last 10 league games to finish 3rd with nat phillips and rys williams at centre back.
Again we'll see what happens but this group of players know how to string a big run together.
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True but you got 69 points to scrape 3rd in a weird covid hit season where 74 points got 2nd. I think it will require 74 points to get 4th this year.
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70 points will likely get top 4 with change to spare.
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Yeah id agree. Teams are dropping points left right and centre. Newcastle have drawn 11 times ffs and are still the team with 4th in their hands (game in hand).
We have palace away next. Thats exactly the kind of game weve lost over and over this season. We win that 1 I think that will be a sign weve turned a corner now.
For what its worth I wouldnt have us as favourites for 4th. Honestly nothing in it. I can see why youd back your side and for me im going to back us to find a way somehow.
posted on 20/2/23
Liverpool need to sort their away form out. If they do that they’ll probably get top four.
posted on 20/2/23
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I think we will average 1.5 points per game till end of season. 23 games left that's 34.5 points. We on 42.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I think we will average 1.5 points per game till end of season. 23 games left that's 34.5 points. We on 42.
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You've 15 games left, that's another 22.5 points.
posted on 20/2/23
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posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Totally ambivalent towards Conte (U22347)
posted 1 minute ago
Agree with most here, that Newcastle will probably drop off now and 4th place will be decided between Spurs and Liverpool.
The trip to Anfield at the end of April will be key, I think. Still annoyed at the fact we had them at home when they were playing poorly and we just rolled over.
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We will roll over at Anfield as well.
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Of this, there is no doubt
posted on 20/2/23
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I think we will average 1.5 points per game till end of season. 23 games left that's 34.5 points. We on 42.
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14 games left that's 21 points and a total of 63
posted on 20/2/23
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I think we will average 1.5 points per game till end of season. 23 games left that's 34.5 points. We on 42.
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You've 15 games left, that's another 22.5 points.
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*14 sorry
posted on 20/2/23
we need 2 points a game minimum to get 4th
posted on 20/2/23
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posted 55 minutes ago
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Yeah id agree. Teams are dropping points left right and centre. Newcastle have drawn 11 times ffs and are still the team with 4th in their hands (game in hand).
We have palace away next. Thats exactly the kind of game weve lost over and over this season. We win that 1 I think that will be a sign weve turned a corner now.
For what its worth I wouldnt have us as favourites for 4th. Honestly nothing in it. I can see why youd back your side and for me im going to back us to find a way somehow.
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Again though, like Everton & NUFC, Palace's form is dreadful. 3 points from the last 18. Beating them is hardly a benchmark for any team being at their best
posted on 20/2/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I reckon between 65-70 will be required. Your 66.5 fits into that scenario.
posted on 20/2/23
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posted 1 minute ago
I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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We don’t need to be close to the levels from last year to finish ahead of Spurs considering we dropped 4 points in the entire second half of last season.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I reckon between 65-70 will be required. Your 66.5 fits into that scenario.
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Said it and predicted it that it will be a low points tally for top 4 this season, and all top 4s will bunch up and with not much difference between them....Every point will become crucial like gold dust, as it could mean higher or lower up the table in a weird way. Generally there is a gap in between certain teams....Generally City and the rest. But I think this season it will be as tight as Daniel Levy's wallet!!
posted on 20/2/23
Liverpool won’t need to be anything special to finish above Spurs. They’ve got two games in hand, and the three points at Anfield that Spurs will give them, to wipe out that lead.
posted on 20/2/23
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comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 minute ago
I have said this before and will say it again. For whatever reason, the media continue to seem totally incapable of separating the difference between Liverpool of the last couple of years and the Liverpool of now, which to even the person with a basic knowledge of football is plain to see are not.
I get the natural bais and club loyalty that is always rife within the media, but even the bookies in their current prices, who normally see outcomes realistically and logically, based on facts / form and not because of who they grew up supporting, seem to going along with the Liverpool "well, they have been good in recent years" wave of optimism.
Obviously a sane person cannot really take anything Carragher when it involves Liverpool, but I did think he was at his classic excitable little boy best, talk like everyone loves Liverpool like he does, mode when during the Liverpool / Newcastle game, he comes out with "Newcastle's top 4 hopes being chased down by their ONLY rivals, Liverpool"
It was literally I case of him assuming Spurs, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford are simply invisible and just not there in the table.
I just find it really strange that a whole group of people, who should know a thing or two about football, continue to treat Liverpool like they are, and always have been at the level of the last two years, whilst us mug football fans are not getting it.
Well this mug footie fan can only see a team who is a million miles off where they were last year, have a suspect defense and not even close to the best strikers, have their fair share of difficult games to play, and are more than a little bit behind some of their non existent rivals.
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Considering we lost one player last summer I’d say it’s pretty much the same team as last year and capable of the same type of form we showed last year.
We just haven’t shown it this year, doesn’t mean it’s not there only a fool things the team has suddenly forgotten how to play football despite an unbelievably frustrating season.
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There are some differences though to last season, and even ignoring a 2 out of 3 new front line, the CM isnt firing and being found out a bit for being that bit older, less mobile, less able to press, VVD is not at his best and probably in decline (albeit from a very high level), Salah also isnt quite the player he was and his returns are way below previous years and that of many other players, on a par with Ollie Watkins this season. I know they have suffered injuries but even the likes of Jota, who has been out for a while, wasnt scoring before he got injured, dont think he's scored since last April.
Importantly they have lost that air of invincibility which means more teams are going at them rather than just hoping to contain what has been an unstoppable force. Even Newcastle opened them up at times with 10 men.
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Even if that’s all true we still wouldn’t need to be as good as last year to finish ahead of spurs. Win our games in hand and we’re 1 point behind you which considering how awful we’ve been this year is quite something.
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"If we win out games in hand"
and you are still behind Spurs.
I expect it to be close but you cannot in one breath state "how awful we've [LFC] been this year" and then set out an expectation of achieving last seasons form in the run in.
There are reasons why you have been awful and it will take a lot more than wins against 10 men and a bottom 3 club (at home) to convince folk that LFC are back to 2022 form.
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We don’t need to be close to the levels from last year to finish ahead of Spurs considering we dropped 4 points in the entire second half of last season.
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Well that depends on Spurs form too.
Despite Liverpool's revival and Spurs poor form, we're still in better form
posted on 20/2/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Spurs are currently in 4th and on course for 66.5 points. Liverpool are on course for 60.5 points. I know there's no such thing as half points and teams can obviously improve in form but it seems a little OTT to suggest 74 points will be needed for 4th.
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I reckon between 65-70 will be required. Your 66.5 fits into that scenario.
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I can see the likes of LFC and Spurs picking up their form as the end of the season is starting to come into focus.
Would fully expect both teams to exceed 2 points a game which would be 70-75 points for the top 4.
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