They were bottom with 1 point when he was sacked.

Not exactly a glowing reference when viewed through that lens.

tbf thats the most generic thing you could say about him.

he is a good guy, he likes his teams to be good at attacking and defence - which is a new approach!

I dont think you can take anything away from that tbf.

comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 16 minutes ago
They were bottom with 1 point when he was sacked.

Not exactly a glowing reference when viewed through that lens.
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After 4 games

comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 37 minutes ago
They were bottom with 1 point when he was sacked.

Not exactly a glowing reference when viewed through that lens.
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Similar position to Arteta then, whose Arsenal team were in bottom 3 after a few games at beginning of last season.

Why on earth didn't the Arsenal board follow Watford's example and sack the manager?

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 39 minutes ago
tbf thats the most generic thing you could say about him.

he is a good guy, he likes his teams to be good at attacking and defence - which is a new approach!

I dont think you can take anything away from that tbf.
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I would suggest that keeping calm and not ranting and raving would be a new approach for many a manager.

comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 37 minutes ago
They were bottom with 1 point when he was sacked.

Not exactly a glowing reference when viewed through that lens.
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Similar position to Arteta then, whose Arsenal team were in bottom 3 after a few games at beginning of last season.

Why on earth didn't the Arsenal board follow Watford's example and sack the manager?
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Aye totally similar. Almost exactly the same as Arteta

comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 39 minutes ago
tbf thats the most generic thing you could say about him.

he is a good guy, he likes his teams to be good at attacking and defence - which is a new approach!

I dont think you can take anything away from that tbf.
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I would suggest that keeping calm and not ranting and raving would be a new approach for many a manager.
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is a ranty manager better or worse than a calm one?

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
tbf thats the most generic thing you could say about him.

he is a good guy, he likes his teams to be good at attacking and defence - which is a new approach!

I dont think you can take anything away from that tbf.
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Pretty sure all managers like to attack and then defend when you lose the ball. Tis called football

comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 37 minutes ago
They were bottom with 1 point when he was sacked.

Not exactly a glowing reference when viewed through that lens.
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Similar position to Arteta then, whose Arsenal team were in bottom 3 after a few games at beginning of last season.

Why on earth didn't the Arsenal board follow Watford's example and sack the manager?
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Aye totally similar. Almost exactly the same as Arteta
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He got Watford to their highest finish ever the year before so I wouldn't read too much into firing him after 4 games. More a reflection on the Watford owners

By luck rather than by design the incumbents in the LS11 exec suites may have stumbled on a decent appointment - actually feel quite positive about Gracia.

He fined players for turning up to training late as well an was quite strict but fair. Heard it this morning too.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 39 minutes ago
tbf thats the most generic thing you could say about him.

he is a good guy, he likes his teams to be good at attacking and defence - which is a new approach!

I dont think you can take anything away from that tbf.
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I would suggest that keeping calm and not ranting and raving would be a new approach for many a manager.
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is a ranty manager better or worse than a calm one?
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I didn't say a rant manager was better in worse but that for many a manager a calm demeanour would be a new approach.

We had ranty last time and it grew old quickly. Calmness is fine in my book providing he doesn't stand watching on the side lines when his players are in a 20 man brawl like Potter did v Dortmund the other night.

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posted 31 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 39 minutes ago
tbf thats the most generic thing you could say about him.

he is a good guy, he likes his teams to be good at attacking and defence - which is a new approach!

I dont think you can take anything away from that tbf.
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I would suggest that keeping calm and not ranting and raving would be a new approach for many a manager.
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is a ranty manager better or worse than a calm one?
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I didn't say a rant manager was better in worse but that for many a manager a calm demeanour would be a new approach.
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well not really you said it would be a new approach for a manager. I know im being pedantic and boring , but i am bored in work.

I dont think being a moany, loud, passive, quiet manager has a bearing on how good you are.

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posted 48 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
tbf thats the most generic thing you could say about him.

he is a good guy, he likes his teams to be good at attacking and defence - which is a new approach!

I dont think you can take anything away from that tbf.
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Pretty sure all managers like to attack and then defend when you lose the ball. Tis called football
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It's more nuanced than attack or defend.

For example when Liverpool defend Salah is not expected to track back for defensive duties.

Some managers go with more emphasis on attack with the philosophy of if they score 2 we will score 3.

Others have a more defensive approach sit deep don't concede and try and pinch a goal on the break. Etc.

Tis called football.

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posted 31 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 39 minutes ago
tbf thats the most generic thing you could say about him.

he is a good guy, he likes his teams to be good at attacking and defence - which is a new approach!

I dont think you can take anything away from that tbf.
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I would suggest that keeping calm and not ranting and raving would be a new approach for many a manager.
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is a ranty manager better or worse than a calm one?
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I didn't say a rant manager was better in worse but that for many a manager a calm demeanour would be a new approach.
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well not really you said it would be a new approach for a manager. I know im being pedantic and boring , but i am bored in work.

I dont think being a moany, loud, passive, quiet manager has a bearing on how good you are.
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What I said was having a calm approach for many a manager would be a new approach. Which it would be. Alternatively for other managers having a ranty manner would be a new approach.

Wonder how many of us have found a ranty type manager gets the best out of us in our jobs.

comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 3 minutes ago
Wonder how many of us have found a ranty type manager gets the best out of us in our jobs.
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I could give you plenty of ranty football managers that have

I guess if you are a drill sergeant in the army then a ranty shout would tend to take precedence over a calm relaxed chat.

comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 11 seconds ago
I guess if you are a drill sergeant in the army then a ranty shout would tend to take precedence over a calm relaxed chat.
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there is no blueprint to it . people are different.

I would respond far better to a ranty moany manager than a quiet calm one, others would be opposite.

Surely the best manager would be the one who knows when to shout and when to stay calm!..

There are situations where one way is better than the other, you just have to know where and when you use which to get the best results out off whoever you're working with!..

Bloody hell, Vinnie did ok in the meanmashine!..

Ranty is useless unless it has a plan.

My best manager was quiet but firm. He got to know all his team individually and found out what made each of us tick. He then used his own brand of psychology to get the best out of us.

I and the team had the best working years of our life with him even though he could be a right pain in the backside at times.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 11 seconds ago
I guess if you are a drill sergeant in the army then a ranty shout would tend to take precedence over a calm relaxed chat.
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there is no blueprint to it . people are different.

I would respond far better to a ranty moany manager than a quiet calm one, others would be opposite.
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My preference is the middle ground on that one .....

Best managers, including in the military, i found were those who were calm and calculated - but with that ability to bring out the shouty and b0llcability if required.

We're all too complex ... !

comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
Surely the best manager would be the one who knows when to shout and when to stay calm!..

There are situations where one way is better than the other, you just have to know where and when you use which to get the best results out off whoever you're working with!..

Bloody hell, Vinnie did ok in the meanmashine!..
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it tends to be on an indivdual basis. there are ones that can get away with things others who cant.

others that need a boot up the jacksie to perform others that need a cuddle.

there is no right or wrong way to do it.

comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
He fined players for turning up to training late as well an was quite strict but fair. Heard it this morning too.
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