comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 minutes ago
Sunak is doing the bare minimum expected of a PM of this country, no more no less.
All he's done is hold productive talks with our biggest trading partner without reverting to combative language like "surrender"...oh wait...yes he does...
This country has so many simpletons with a vote.
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comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 33 minutes ago
It's easy to make policy on the hoof when you're not beholden to any public mandate.
Wait until Sunak actually has to win an election and he will immediately default to the usual demagogic right-wing shiiitehouse politics.
That's the only way you win an election in this country. At least for most of the past 4 decades. And it will only get worse as the median age of the population slowly creeps past 50 over the next 4-5 election cycles.
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Never a truer word spoken.
comment by 99 Problems (Top - invest in the squad and sack Rodgers) (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 58 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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More to the point what does it say about Britain?
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Exactly, Sunak is only attempting to clear-up some of the $hit left by his own ilk.
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 32 minutes ago
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
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Wonderful .....Starmer is coming for him ! you've got everyone frightened outta their skins now !
the stormtroopers will be next
Sunak is a political lightweight. That is all.
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
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I rarely read it, but they sent me an offer, 1 euro per month for three months. Voilà.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
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I rarely read it, but they sent me an offer, 1 euro per month for three months. Voilà.
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I read the hysterical headlines on Facebook.
Todays gem: “Remainer economic groupthink is condemning the UK to poverty”
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 51 minutes ago
He's not a blatant moron like Truss, and not quite the sociopath that Johnson is. Other than that, I wouldn't give him masses of credit. The Tories hit rock bottom, and with it the political weather changed slightly. The public has cottoned on to the emptiness of their rhetoric over the last few years, and the economic damage of both Brexit and austerity are widely understood. This has taken the wind out of the sails of the hard-liners and created a situation wherein it's politically beneficial to pursue a more moderate and pragmatic line. Sunak has consistently been fully signed up to the politics of the hardest possible Brexit, culture wars, and shafting the poor to the extent that those things were politically beneficial in the past. He is good at projecting Sensible Bank Manager, which is probably the best look a Tory can deploy at the moment. Beyond that, in my view he's just as lacking in principle and substance as his predecessors.
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Not an unfair summary really. Although he doesn’t come across as particularly ‘culture war’ based. Plus I don’t think it’s fair that some (not necessarily you RR) purport this ‘culture war’ as being created by the right and completely made up just to keep their conservative votes. Labour regularly play these games also with the exact same intention, keeping their votes.
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I don't think Sunak is personally into the culture wars / populist politics, but then nor was Johnson. Both are happy to deploy them when it's politically useful. If Sunak didn't think it was useful or was against it on principle, his government wouldn't (for example) have Suella Braverman in the Home Office demonising refugees, etc.
On the 'both sides' culture war question, I think you're factually wrong when it comes to mainstream politics. Of course there are two sides to any ideological war. But on issue after issue the political right is deploying these issues to attempt to mobilise the public in order to win / keep power, whereas the major parties of the centre left want to avoid speaking about it as much as possible. Trans activists, refugee rights advocates, racial justice campaigners / proponents of closer EU integration are perennially disappointed by the Labour party for its lukewarm support / cowardly unwillingness to wholeheartedly embrace their causes. They all know that ideologically, the bulk of the Labour party is sympathetic to their causes. The issue is that as an organisation that's focused on winning power and attracting votes back from former voters who 'defected' to the Tories (largely around Brexit, but also because there's a swathe of people who are left of centre economically, but socially conservative), Labour would really rather keep the conversation away from socially liberal topics.
Did I get my point across? Substantively, Labour does disagree with the Tories on most culture war issues. But operationally, Labour wants to avoid stoking those culture wars, because it wants to push the conversation toward the economic issues where it's potential electorate (older, more traditional / younger, more urban) broadly agree.
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Yes you’ve made your point but, shockingly, I disagree.
I think your points holds true for Starmer but there are a myriad of Labour MPs who kick these issues off all the time.
If Starmer were to engage on these issues then I would say that he’s doing the same as Johnson and credit to him that he isn’t. But despite being the leader, he is not Labour in its entirety, plenty of them broach these topics time and time again.
I think it’s wise of Labour (Starmer) to avoid these issues as they need to win conservative votes in order to get in.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
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I rarely read it, but they sent me an offer, 1 euro per month for three months. Voilà.
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They write articles like this one. And expect people to agree with it.
I think Nigel Starmer has dipped his toe in with the culture wars with his sound bites regarding Shamimma Begum or the Stop Oil protestors
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 38 minutes ago
Sunak is a political lightweight. That is all.
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I have to agree, but so is Starmer also a political lightweight !
Britain has to get it's act together and get
into the 21st century,bad management has been going on for too long,from both sides of the house ,perhaps a complete upheaval of the system is what is needed ,but where do you start ?
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 33 minutes ago
It's easy to make policy on the hoof when you're not beholden to any public mandate.
Wait until Sunak actually has to win an election and he will immediately default to the usual demagogic right-wing shiiitehouse politics.
That's the only way you win an election in this country. At least for most of the past 4 decades. And it will only get worse as the median age of the population slowly creeps past 50 over the next 4-5 election cycles.
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are you dissing Democracy
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
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I rarely read it, but they sent me an offer, 1 euro per month for three months. Voilà.
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They write articles like this one. And expect people to agree with it.
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Well this is from today's Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/02/rishi-sunak-northern-ireland-protocol-tory-party?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Hang on, it's the same as the other.
So why are some talking about the Telegraph?
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
Problem is these days a manifesto is just a posturing document ignored after gaining power. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the electorate will not bother to look beyond whatever their preferred media feed them to decide their vote.
Depressing.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
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Is saying he seems to be doing a reasonable job, the same as trumpeting his wonderfulness?
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
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Of course there is - the whole point of successful negotiation is both sides ceding some ground to meet in a middle! Did anyone expect different?
What is the OP on about? He has been a shambles, so bad that half the conservatives are plotting behind the scenes to get BoJo back in power
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
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Is saying he seems to be doing a reasonable job, the same as trumpeting his wonderfulness?
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Putting feathers onto caps before the deal is passed through parliament seems a bit presumptive.
Who gets the credit if he has to rely on Labour votes to get it passed, him or Starmer?
I think he has a good chance of getting the protocol changed that will keep NI in the UK, but make trade through the border much easier.
Nobody else got close.
So that's what I'm on about.
Even though I am a Labour voter, I like to give credit where due.
But in general I don't like the Conservatives
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
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Of course there is - the whole point of successful negotiation is both sides ceding some ground to meet in a middle! Did anyone expect different?
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In the context of Sunak's premiership, imo, neither example will be regarded as helpful for the current PM by his own handlers.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
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Is saying he seems to be doing a reasonable job, the same as trumpeting his wonderfulness?
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Putting feathers onto caps before the deal is passed through parliament seems a bit presumptive.
Who gets the credit if he has to rely on Labour votes to get it passed, him or Starmer?
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He would. And rightly
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
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Of course there is - the whole point of successful negotiation is both sides ceding some ground to meet in a middle! Did anyone expect different?
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In the context of Sunak's premiership, imo, neither example will be regarded as helpful for the current PM by his own handlers.
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Agreed. Mischief makers and he should be calling their bluff. They got the big ticket they wanted in Brexit and should now be ST FU. Any BoJo return will merely guarantee Starmer in #10 next time as moderates abstain or vote against 'their' party in protest at the return of the clown.
FWIW, I don't think the deal has one iota of difference to Irish reintegration which feels inevitable?
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posted on 2/3/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 minutes ago
Sunak is doing the bare minimum expected of a PM of this country, no more no less.
All he's done is hold productive talks with our biggest trading partner without reverting to combative language like "surrender"...oh wait...yes he does...
This country has so many simpletons with a vote.
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posted on 2/3/23
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 33 minutes ago
It's easy to make policy on the hoof when you're not beholden to any public mandate.
Wait until Sunak actually has to win an election and he will immediately default to the usual demagogic right-wing shiiitehouse politics.
That's the only way you win an election in this country. At least for most of the past 4 decades. And it will only get worse as the median age of the population slowly creeps past 50 over the next 4-5 election cycles.
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Never a truer word spoken.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by 99 Problems (Top - invest in the squad and sack Rodgers) (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 58 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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More to the point what does it say about Britain?
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Exactly, Sunak is only attempting to clear-up some of the $hit left by his own ilk.
posted on 2/3/23
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 32 minutes ago
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
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Wonderful .....Starmer is coming for him ! you've got everyone frightened outta their skins now !
the stormtroopers will be next
posted on 2/3/23
Sunak is a political lightweight. That is all.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
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I rarely read it, but they sent me an offer, 1 euro per month for three months. Voilà.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
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I rarely read it, but they sent me an offer, 1 euro per month for three months. Voilà.
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I read the hysterical headlines on Facebook.
Todays gem: “Remainer economic groupthink is condemning the UK to poverty”
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 51 minutes ago
He's not a blatant moron like Truss, and not quite the sociopath that Johnson is. Other than that, I wouldn't give him masses of credit. The Tories hit rock bottom, and with it the political weather changed slightly. The public has cottoned on to the emptiness of their rhetoric over the last few years, and the economic damage of both Brexit and austerity are widely understood. This has taken the wind out of the sails of the hard-liners and created a situation wherein it's politically beneficial to pursue a more moderate and pragmatic line. Sunak has consistently been fully signed up to the politics of the hardest possible Brexit, culture wars, and shafting the poor to the extent that those things were politically beneficial in the past. He is good at projecting Sensible Bank Manager, which is probably the best look a Tory can deploy at the moment. Beyond that, in my view he's just as lacking in principle and substance as his predecessors.
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Not an unfair summary really. Although he doesn’t come across as particularly ‘culture war’ based. Plus I don’t think it’s fair that some (not necessarily you RR) purport this ‘culture war’ as being created by the right and completely made up just to keep their conservative votes. Labour regularly play these games also with the exact same intention, keeping their votes.
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I don't think Sunak is personally into the culture wars / populist politics, but then nor was Johnson. Both are happy to deploy them when it's politically useful. If Sunak didn't think it was useful or was against it on principle, his government wouldn't (for example) have Suella Braverman in the Home Office demonising refugees, etc.
On the 'both sides' culture war question, I think you're factually wrong when it comes to mainstream politics. Of course there are two sides to any ideological war. But on issue after issue the political right is deploying these issues to attempt to mobilise the public in order to win / keep power, whereas the major parties of the centre left want to avoid speaking about it as much as possible. Trans activists, refugee rights advocates, racial justice campaigners / proponents of closer EU integration are perennially disappointed by the Labour party for its lukewarm support / cowardly unwillingness to wholeheartedly embrace their causes. They all know that ideologically, the bulk of the Labour party is sympathetic to their causes. The issue is that as an organisation that's focused on winning power and attracting votes back from former voters who 'defected' to the Tories (largely around Brexit, but also because there's a swathe of people who are left of centre economically, but socially conservative), Labour would really rather keep the conversation away from socially liberal topics.
Did I get my point across? Substantively, Labour does disagree with the Tories on most culture war issues. But operationally, Labour wants to avoid stoking those culture wars, because it wants to push the conversation toward the economic issues where it's potential electorate (older, more traditional / younger, more urban) broadly agree.
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Yes you’ve made your point but, shockingly, I disagree.
I think your points holds true for Starmer but there are a myriad of Labour MPs who kick these issues off all the time.
If Starmer were to engage on these issues then I would say that he’s doing the same as Johnson and credit to him that he isn’t. But despite being the leader, he is not Labour in its entirety, plenty of them broach these topics time and time again.
I think it’s wise of Labour (Starmer) to avoid these issues as they need to win conservative votes in order to get in.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
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I rarely read it, but they sent me an offer, 1 euro per month for three months. Voilà.
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They write articles like this one. And expect people to agree with it.
posted on 2/3/23
I think Nigel Starmer has dipped his toe in with the culture wars with his sound bites regarding Shamimma Begum or the Stop Oil protestors
posted on 2/3/23
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 38 minutes ago
Sunak is a political lightweight. That is all.
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I have to agree, but so is Starmer also a political lightweight !
Britain has to get it's act together and get
into the 21st century,bad management has been going on for too long,from both sides of the house ,perhaps a complete upheaval of the system is what is needed ,but where do you start ?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 33 minutes ago
It's easy to make policy on the hoof when you're not beholden to any public mandate.
Wait until Sunak actually has to win an election and he will immediately default to the usual demagogic right-wing shiiitehouse politics.
That's the only way you win an election in this country. At least for most of the past 4 decades. And it will only get worse as the median age of the population slowly creeps past 50 over the next 4-5 election cycles.
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are you dissing Democracy
posted on 2/3/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
52
I think you read the Daily Telegraph too much.
Most people in the UK think that Sunak needs to buck up as Starmer is coming for him. This Government is hopeless.
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I rarely read it, but they sent me an offer, 1 euro per month for three months. Voilà.
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They write articles like this one. And expect people to agree with it.
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Well this is from today's Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/02/rishi-sunak-northern-ireland-protocol-tory-party?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
posted on 2/3/23
Hang on, it's the same as the other.
So why are some talking about the Telegraph?
posted on 2/3/23
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
posted on 2/3/23
Problem is these days a manifesto is just a posturing document ignored after gaining power. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the electorate will not bother to look beyond whatever their preferred media feed them to decide their vote.
Depressing.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
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Is saying he seems to be doing a reasonable job, the same as trumpeting his wonderfulness?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
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Of course there is - the whole point of successful negotiation is both sides ceding some ground to meet in a middle! Did anyone expect different?
posted on 2/3/23
What is the OP on about? He has been a shambles, so bad that half the conservatives are plotting behind the scenes to get BoJo back in power
posted on 2/3/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is saying he seems to be doing a reasonable job, the same as trumpeting his wonderfulness?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Putting feathers onto caps before the deal is passed through parliament seems a bit presumptive.
Who gets the credit if he has to rely on Labour votes to get it passed, him or Starmer?
posted on 2/3/23
I think he has a good chance of getting the protocol changed that will keep NI in the UK, but make trade through the border much easier.
Nobody else got close.
So that's what I'm on about.
Even though I am a Labour voter, I like to give credit where due.
But in general I don't like the Conservatives
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course there is - the whole point of successful negotiation is both sides ceding some ground to meet in a middle! Did anyone expect different?
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In the context of Sunak's premiership, imo, neither example will be regarded as helpful for the current PM by his own handlers.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is saying he seems to be doing a reasonable job, the same as trumpeting his wonderfulness?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Putting feathers onto caps before the deal is passed through parliament seems a bit presumptive.
Who gets the credit if he has to rely on Labour votes to get it passed, him or Starmer?
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He would. And rightly
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Johnson has come out against Sunak's NI deal, there may be trouble ahead...
Jean-Claude Juncker has also chipped in and said "I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems. And as the European court of justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland.
So I think that, although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide."
Let's see how little Rishi deals with the latest, inevitable ructions within the Conservative party before trumpeting his wonderfulness.
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Of course there is - the whole point of successful negotiation is both sides ceding some ground to meet in a middle! Did anyone expect different?
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In the context of Sunak's premiership, imo, neither example will be regarded as helpful for the current PM by his own handlers.
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Agreed. Mischief makers and he should be calling their bluff. They got the big ticket they wanted in Brexit and should now be ST FU. Any BoJo return will merely guarantee Starmer in #10 next time as moderates abstain or vote against 'their' party in protest at the return of the clown.
FWIW, I don't think the deal has one iota of difference to Irish reintegration which feels inevitable?
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