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Gareth Southgate

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posted on 26/3/23

Great man manager and motivator. Not a great tactician and struggles with in game management.

Does a decent job but will always fall when the quality of opposition increases in the latter stages of a tournament and he comes up against someone with more tactical nous.

posted on 26/3/23

I think people are going to be in for a big shock when Maguire gets replaced for England and we become weaker at the back. It’s rare for us to have a player that has consistently performed in tournaments, especially in defence.

posted on 26/3/23

Spain and Germany just went out of the WC early, coached by CL winners and attempting to play fluid, tactically sophisticated football. International sides don't train or play regularly, so they rarely attain the sort of cohesion that the best club sides display. Countries that keep it simple and avoid risks are disproportionately successful.

There's a kind of circular logic in justifying disparagement of Southgate. If he wins games, they are all games where a win was a par performance. If he loses, he underperformed. If we thrash another team, it's because they were awful. But I've never known an era when England were this successful in consecutive competitions. A WC semi-final where we came up short against a Croatia side that is incredibly streetwise (and reached another WC semi-final 4 years later despite being well past its peak). Beaten on penalties by the best side in the Euros. Beaten narrowly by Mbappe's France in the last WC when it came down to finishing, and we were probably the better side.

posted on 26/3/23

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think people are going to be in for a big shock when Maguire gets replaced for England and we become weaker at the back. It’s rare for us to have a player that has consistently performed in tournaments, especially in defence.
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That's probably the same thing the Italians kept saying about their aging defence and keeper over the years.

posted on 26/3/23

comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think people are going to be in for a big shock when Maguire gets replaced for England and we become weaker at the back. It’s rare for us to have a player that has consistently performed in tournaments, especially in defence.
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That's probably the same thing the Italians kept saying about their aging defence and keeper over the years.
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And they were right.

posted on 26/3/23

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 12 minutes ago
Spain and Germany just went out of the WC early, coached by CL winners and attempting to play fluid, tactically sophisticated football. International sides don't train or play regularly, so they rarely attain the sort of cohesion that the best club sides display. Countries that keep it simple and avoid risks are disproportionately successful.

There's a kind of circular logic in justifying disparagement of Southgate. If he wins games, they are all games where a win was a par performance. If he loses, he underperformed. If we thrash another team, it's because they were awful. But I've never known an era when England were this successful in consecutive competitions. A WC semi-final where we came up short against a Croatia side that is incredibly streetwise (and reached another WC semi-final 4 years later despite being well past its peak). Beaten on penalties by the best side in the Euros. Beaten narrowly by Mbappe's France in the last WC when it came down to finishing, and we were probably the better side.
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It’s because most England fans are clueless, arrogant and entitled.

posted on 26/3/23

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think people are going to be in for a big shock when Maguire gets replaced for England and we become weaker at the back. It’s rare for us to have a player that has consistently performed in tournaments, especially in defence.
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That's probably the same thing the Italians kept saying about their aging defence and keeper over the years.
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And they were right.
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Predictably so, sadly.

Just look at their back 4 against England a few days ago. With an average of 22 caps.

I've just watched them against Malta and their back 4 had a total of 69 caps between them.

And then we come to the keeper situation. They found themselves having to throw Donnaruma into the literal deep end at 17 years old.

posted on 26/3/23

It’s become an issue of quality for them, though. It’s why Bonucci and Chiellini were kept around for so long. There’s similar issues with England in some positions. Ultimate it’s about a balance of youth and experience. Giving caps to younger players that aren’t as good as older players doesn’t benefit the national team, because it weakens the squad. Especially when you are working in cycles.

After the Euros we’ll have a new manager. They’ll be planning their team for the world cup. If the talent is there to replace some of the older players, and they need replacing, then they’ll have to do that. If not, then we’ll likely still be relying on older, proven internationals. And that’s fine, because if they are still up to it then the team can still do well because having a few older players isn’t a death knell for an international side.

posted on 26/3/23

He's the best manager we've had since Ramsay. Quite obviously.

He hasn't got much of a chance though as many England fans and commentators actually think that as we happened to invent the game over 150 years ago we have a divine right to be the best at it and to take our natural place as one of the teams at the business end of every World Cup and Euros. Losing is not an option for an England manager. Even if we lose to a France Germany or Brazil in the knockout stages of a tournament.

posted on 27/3/23

Not great done OK results wise. Difficult to watch England games with how they play. I suppose when the centre backs are the weak point in the team he may be setting his teams up like that to cover that, if I'm looking for a positive in him.

posted on 27/3/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 20 seconds ago
England literally have the most expensive/"valuable" team of players ever assembled in the history of football. What do you mean the players he has available?
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So long as they're expensive they must be good!
Players he has available means, players he has available.
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The average worth of the starting 11 is around £100m. He should be winning every competition available to him £150m Bellingham, £140m Foden coming off the bench. £100m Grealish off the bench. Ridiculous
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Yep, that comment is ridiculous, and I give you credit for knowing why.
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It is officially the most valuable squad ever assembled.

posted on 27/3/23

comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 20 seconds ago
England literally have the most expensive/"valuable" team of players ever assembled in the history of football. What do you mean the players he has available?
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So long as they're expensive they must be good!
Players he has available means, players he has available.
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The average worth of the starting 11 is around £100m. He should be winning every competition available to him £150m Bellingham, £140m Foden coming off the bench. £100m Grealish off the bench. Ridiculous
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Yep, that comment is ridiculous, and I give you credit for knowing why.
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It is officially the most valuable squad ever assembled.
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Its also against B tier nations that are a far cry from the glory sides. Italy, Germany, Spain have never been so weak compared to there former galactico teams. Brazil aint as good as there former sides, Argentina and Netherlands also.

posted on 27/3/23

England benefit from huge amounts of investment from around the world. Murder money pumped into the big clubs which helps with training facilities, getting the best foreign coaches in the world, playing with the best foreigners in the world to learn from. They literally have EVERYTHING they possibly can in their favour. You have the likes of Kalvin Phillips being SUBSIDISED to be coached by the best coach in the world, just because he is English.

To bemoan the lack of resources Southgate has is RIDICULOUS.

If England can't win something even with the most help possible from all around the world (investment, foreign managers etc), then maybe it just isn't to be.

posted on 27/3/23

every tournament so far under Southgate has been another step forward, it's the best spell we've had for over 50 years. he's doing a very good job.

posted on 27/3/23

comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
England benefit from huge amounts of investment from around the world. Murder money pumped into the big clubs which helps with training facilities, getting the best foreign coaches in the world, playing with the best foreigners in the world to learn from. They literally have EVERYTHING they possibly can in their favour. You have the likes of Kalvin Phillips being SUBSIDISED to be coached by the best coach in the world, just because he is English.

To bemoan the lack of resources Southgate has is RIDICULOUS.

If England can't win something even with the most help possible from all around the world (investment, foreign managers etc), then maybe it just isn't to be.
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Saying ridiculous in capital letters doesn't make it so.
Southgate has nothing to do with the money, he picks what he thinks are the best players available, chooses formation and tactics, and sends them out.

posted on 27/3/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
England benefit from huge amounts of investment from around the world. Murder money pumped into the big clubs which helps with training facilities, getting the best foreign coaches in the world, playing with the best foreigners in the world to learn from. They literally have EVERYTHING they possibly can in their favour. You have the likes of Kalvin Phillips being SUBSIDISED to be coached by the best coach in the world, just because he is English.

To bemoan the lack of resources Southgate has is RIDICULOUS.

If England can't win something even with the most help possible from all around the world (investment, foreign managers etc), then maybe it just isn't to be.
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Saying ridiculous in capital letters doesn't make it so.
Southgate has nothing to do with the money, he picks what he thinks are the best players available, chooses formation and tactics, and sends them out.
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Anyway Barry, why don't you get a proper job?

posted on 27/3/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
England benefit from huge amounts of investment from around the world. Murder money pumped into the big clubs which helps with training facilities, getting the best foreign coaches in the world, playing with the best foreigners in the world to learn from. They literally have EVERYTHING they possibly can in their favour. You have the likes of Kalvin Phillips being SUBSIDISED to be coached by the best coach in the world, just because he is English.

To bemoan the lack of resources Southgate has is RIDICULOUS.

If England can't win something even with the most help possible from all around the world (investment, foreign managers etc), then maybe it just isn't to be.
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Saying ridiculous in capital letters doesn't make it so.
Southgate has nothing to do with the money, he picks what he thinks are the best players available, chooses formation and tactics, and sends them out.
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Anyway Barry, why don't you get a proper job?
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What do you mean? Also was saying the whole English set up benefits from massive foreign investment and managers etc. Not sure what you can disagree with about that? Southgate got a Sterling that was transformed by Guardiola. He will have a Rashford that Ten Haag has now transformed. Where is the negativity in the players he has available to him?

posted on 27/3/23

comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
England benefit from huge amounts of investment from around the world. Murder money pumped into the big clubs which helps with training facilities, getting the best foreign coaches in the world, playing with the best foreigners in the world to learn from. They literally have EVERYTHING they possibly can in their favour. You have the likes of Kalvin Phillips being SUBSIDISED to be coached by the best coach in the world, just because he is English.

To bemoan the lack of resources Southgate has is RIDICULOUS.

If England can't win something even with the most help possible from all around the world (investment, foreign managers etc), then maybe it just isn't to be.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Saying ridiculous in capital letters doesn't make it so.
Southgate has nothing to do with the money, he picks what he thinks are the best players available, chooses formation and tactics, and sends them out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Anyway Barry, why don't you get a proper job?
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What do you mean? Also was saying the whole English set up benefits from massive foreign investment and managers etc. Not sure what you can disagree with about that? Southgate got a Sterling that was transformed by Guardiola. He will have a Rashford that Ten Haag has now transformed. Where is the negativity in the players he has available to him?
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By available, I mean that. Rashford isn't at the moment and hasn't been before several times. That's an example, there are others.
I agree about foreign coaches, but how often do Real have a Spanish coach? The famous coaches of Barça weren't Spanish. Morinho has coached in Italy.
So we are not the only ones.
Plus those foreign managers managed somewhere elso, so the teams Klopp had benefitted from him, it's not just ours.
Finally when they coach here they are coaching mainly foreign players who benefit as much as English.
I think that covers it.

posted on 27/3/23

Oh it's what my mum used to say if I argued with her.
'why don't you get a proper job instead of hanging around arguing with me.

posted on 27/3/23

Not much benefit to the England manager when English players don’t play. This is the crux of the problem the FA have with the Premier League, there’s a political battle ongoing as we speak due to these competing interests.

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