Can’t say we were unlucky at all today, stupid individual error cost us the game. I doubt Villa would have scored without us gift wrapping one for them, but yet again we then concede in added time. Bringing Ayew absolutely baffles me. I’ve been 100% behind Cooper, but even i am beginning to have doubts, his substitutions are at times baffling. I don’t see anyway we will get out of the bottom three for the remainder of the season, West Ham had a ‘must win’ game, and surprise they won, we had a ‘must not lose’ and contrived to hand the game to a very mediocre Villa team.
Yeah it’s over now for me. Next 4 games we will get 0 points and others are picking them up. Guess we have to plan for next season now. Midfield of Danilo, O’Brien and Shelvey could be good. But we’ll struggle to keep Johno, Mangala, Freuler, MGW???
Henderson won’t join a Champ side. Defenders may stick around as they are champ quality mostly.
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yeah it’s over now for me. Next 4 games we will get 0 points and others are picking them up. Guess we have to plan for next season now. Midfield of Danilo, O’Brien and Shelvey could be good. But we’ll struggle to keep Johno, Mangala, Freuler, MGW???
Henderson won’t join a Champ side. Defenders may stick around as they are champ quality mostly.
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Would we want To.keep Shelvy &, Freuler ? With Yates back I would not see them playing
Can’t see us paying Shelvey £70k per week in the championship. We’d probably have to sell Johnson to help balance the books.
Shelvey isn’t going to get a Prem club though is he? Yates definitely should be first name on team sheet. If we can keep Awoniyi then we’ll be strong. Just wonder how different the squad might look next season if we go down
We’re going to be so deep in relegation after next few games. Others will move away because when we had the chance to get some points we messed it up. Bournemouth have a nice few games coming up.
Frustrated that I mostly have to rely on the radio, but I wonder why we've gone on such a bad run after looking to have secured safety.
Injuries have been a big factor, but there's a mental weakness when you keep dropping points by conceding late in the half (or today, early in the half!)
Defensive lapses wouldn't be so bad if we actually created a few chances and scored more goals. Danilo adds something going forward but sounds like he needs to calm down when he gets to the edge of the box and find a pass.
Worrall sounded good - if he can step up it'll help a lot. If Yates comes back, even more so.
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
Yeah it’s over now for me. Next 4 games we will get 0 points and others are picking them up. Guess we have to plan for next season now. Midfield of Danilo, O’Brien and Shelvey could be good. But we’ll struggle to keep Johno, Mangala, Freuler, MGW???
Henderson won’t join a Champ side. Defenders may stick around as they are champ quality mostly.
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Midfield of Yates, Danilo, O’Brien would be better.
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Shelvey isn’t going to get a Prem club though is he? Yates definitely should be first name on team sheet. If we can keep Awoniyi then we’ll be strong. Just wonder how different the squad might look next season if we go down
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Horvath
Worrall. Niakhate. McKenna
Williams. Yates. Danilo. O’Brien. Toffolo
Awoniyi. Surridge
comment by Redfor60yrs (U2973)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Shelvey isn’t going to get a Prem club though is he? Yates definitely should be first name on team sheet. If we can keep Awoniyi then we’ll be strong. Just wonder how different the squad might look next season if we go down
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Horvath
Worrall. Niakhate. McKenna
Williams. Yates. Danilo. O’Brien. Toffolo
Awoniyi. Surridge
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Not bad. Will we be as lucky as Burnley this year with quality of division?
Add Felipe to that defence poss for McKenna and we have a good starting xi.
comment by Redfor60yrs (U2973)
posted 5 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Shelvey isn’t going to get a Prem club though is he? Yates definitely should be first name on team sheet. If we can keep Awoniyi then we’ll be strong. Just wonder how different the squad might look next season if we go down
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Horvath
Worrall. Niakhate. McKenna
Williams. Yates. Danilo. O’Brien. Toffolo
Awoniyi. Surridge
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New Goalie
Boly Niakhate Felipe
Williams Danilo Mangala Yates Richards
Bowler Awoniyi
Horvath, Toffolo, McKenna, Worrall, Kouyate, O’Brien, Scarpa, Surridge.
If we offload / release; Ayew, Colback, Cook, Drager, Freuler, Hwang, Shelvey and Wood. Say £20m.
Resigned to losing; Henderson, Navas, Aurier, Lodi,
Dennis, MGW and Johnson. Say £80m.
That would net us a good £100m in sales. Plus the Parachute payments to bounce straight back up.
———-
Unfortunately…we’re staying up.
Yes that’s not a bad squad but I can’t see Felipe playing in the Champ. I’m not convinced Richards exists and Niakhate looks to be a sick note. Mangala also won’t stay if we go down. Midfield doesn’t have much creativity and we’ve basically relied on pace of Johnno to get us where we are so we’d need to replace that somehow
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 11 hours, 41 minutes ago
Yes that’s not a bad squad but I can’t see Felipe playing in the Champ. I’m not convinced Richards exists and Niakhate looks to be a sick note. Mangala also won’t stay if we go down. Midfield doesn’t have much creativity and we’ve basically relied on pace of Johnno to get us where we are so we’d need to replace that somehow
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Niakhate has only had one long-term injury in his career. Other than this season he averages 30 games a season. If he is a sick note, then it started this season.
My point in all of this, is that if we go down, then we’ll have money in the bank OR a stronger squad for challenging for promotion.
That’s why I said “looks to be a sick note” which based on his time at Forest seems fair. But then everyone who joins this club seems to become one 😣
We get less cash if relegated after one season and we’ve spent a lot so whether we’ll have loads is debatable. Hopefully will have a good squad but I think we’d miss Johnson hugely. We’d also need a creative midfielder badly. Unless we’re not going to lump it up to Wood which could work
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posted on 8/4/23
Can’t say we were unlucky at all today, stupid individual error cost us the game. I doubt Villa would have scored without us gift wrapping one for them, but yet again we then concede in added time. Bringing Ayew absolutely baffles me. I’ve been 100% behind Cooper, but even i am beginning to have doubts, his substitutions are at times baffling. I don’t see anyway we will get out of the bottom three for the remainder of the season, West Ham had a ‘must win’ game, and surprise they won, we had a ‘must not lose’ and contrived to hand the game to a very mediocre Villa team.
posted on 8/4/23
Yeah it’s over now for me. Next 4 games we will get 0 points and others are picking them up. Guess we have to plan for next season now. Midfield of Danilo, O’Brien and Shelvey could be good. But we’ll struggle to keep Johno, Mangala, Freuler, MGW???
Henderson won’t join a Champ side. Defenders may stick around as they are champ quality mostly.
posted on 8/4/23
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yeah it’s over now for me. Next 4 games we will get 0 points and others are picking them up. Guess we have to plan for next season now. Midfield of Danilo, O’Brien and Shelvey could be good. But we’ll struggle to keep Johno, Mangala, Freuler, MGW???
Henderson won’t join a Champ side. Defenders may stick around as they are champ quality mostly.
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Would we want To.keep Shelvy &, Freuler ? With Yates back I would not see them playing
posted on 8/4/23
Can’t see us paying Shelvey £70k per week in the championship. We’d probably have to sell Johnson to help balance the books.
posted on 8/4/23
Shelvey isn’t going to get a Prem club though is he? Yates definitely should be first name on team sheet. If we can keep Awoniyi then we’ll be strong. Just wonder how different the squad might look next season if we go down
posted on 8/4/23
We’re going to be so deep in relegation after next few games. Others will move away because when we had the chance to get some points we messed it up. Bournemouth have a nice few games coming up.
posted on 8/4/23
Frustrated that I mostly have to rely on the radio, but I wonder why we've gone on such a bad run after looking to have secured safety.
Injuries have been a big factor, but there's a mental weakness when you keep dropping points by conceding late in the half (or today, early in the half!)
Defensive lapses wouldn't be so bad if we actually created a few chances and scored more goals. Danilo adds something going forward but sounds like he needs to calm down when he gets to the edge of the box and find a pass.
Worrall sounded good - if he can step up it'll help a lot. If Yates comes back, even more so.
posted on 8/4/23
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
Yeah it’s over now for me. Next 4 games we will get 0 points and others are picking them up. Guess we have to plan for next season now. Midfield of Danilo, O’Brien and Shelvey could be good. But we’ll struggle to keep Johno, Mangala, Freuler, MGW???
Henderson won’t join a Champ side. Defenders may stick around as they are champ quality mostly.
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Midfield of Yates, Danilo, O’Brien would be better.
posted on 8/4/23
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Shelvey isn’t going to get a Prem club though is he? Yates definitely should be first name on team sheet. If we can keep Awoniyi then we’ll be strong. Just wonder how different the squad might look next season if we go down
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Horvath
Worrall. Niakhate. McKenna
Williams. Yates. Danilo. O’Brien. Toffolo
Awoniyi. Surridge
posted on 8/4/23
comment by Redfor60yrs (U2973)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Shelvey isn’t going to get a Prem club though is he? Yates definitely should be first name on team sheet. If we can keep Awoniyi then we’ll be strong. Just wonder how different the squad might look next season if we go down
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Horvath
Worrall. Niakhate. McKenna
Williams. Yates. Danilo. O’Brien. Toffolo
Awoniyi. Surridge
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Not bad. Will we be as lucky as Burnley this year with quality of division?
posted on 8/4/23
Add Felipe to that defence poss for McKenna and we have a good starting xi.
posted on 9/4/23
comment by Redfor60yrs (U2973)
posted 5 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Shelvey isn’t going to get a Prem club though is he? Yates definitely should be first name on team sheet. If we can keep Awoniyi then we’ll be strong. Just wonder how different the squad might look next season if we go down
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Horvath
Worrall. Niakhate. McKenna
Williams. Yates. Danilo. O’Brien. Toffolo
Awoniyi. Surridge
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New Goalie
Boly Niakhate Felipe
Williams Danilo Mangala Yates Richards
Bowler Awoniyi
Horvath, Toffolo, McKenna, Worrall, Kouyate, O’Brien, Scarpa, Surridge.
If we offload / release; Ayew, Colback, Cook, Drager, Freuler, Hwang, Shelvey and Wood. Say £20m.
Resigned to losing; Henderson, Navas, Aurier, Lodi,
Dennis, MGW and Johnson. Say £80m.
That would net us a good £100m in sales. Plus the Parachute payments to bounce straight back up.
———-
Unfortunately…we’re staying up.
posted on 9/4/23
Yes that’s not a bad squad but I can’t see Felipe playing in the Champ. I’m not convinced Richards exists and Niakhate looks to be a sick note. Mangala also won’t stay if we go down. Midfield doesn’t have much creativity and we’ve basically relied on pace of Johnno to get us where we are so we’d need to replace that somehow
posted on 9/4/23
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 11 hours, 41 minutes ago
Yes that’s not a bad squad but I can’t see Felipe playing in the Champ. I’m not convinced Richards exists and Niakhate looks to be a sick note. Mangala also won’t stay if we go down. Midfield doesn’t have much creativity and we’ve basically relied on pace of Johnno to get us where we are so we’d need to replace that somehow
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Niakhate has only had one long-term injury in his career. Other than this season he averages 30 games a season. If he is a sick note, then it started this season.
My point in all of this, is that if we go down, then we’ll have money in the bank OR a stronger squad for challenging for promotion.
posted on 10/4/23
That’s why I said “looks to be a sick note” which based on his time at Forest seems fair. But then everyone who joins this club seems to become one 😣
We get less cash if relegated after one season and we’ve spent a lot so whether we’ll have loads is debatable. Hopefully will have a good squad but I think we’d miss Johnson hugely. We’d also need a creative midfielder badly. Unless we’re not going to lump it up to Wood which could work
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