A far cry from, in CFC Quad stoppers' words, the "best owners ever" eh?
Wouldn't call the Roman era..."25 years of steady progression" that is erraneous.
Choatic mishmash is appropriate.
Errm,
Well mf you do surprise me, there was life prior to Roman. 2004 > 2021 17 yrs .
Actually our fortunes began to change in ? 1996 ?
Between 96 & 2004 - 8 yrs prior to Roman was a great period as im sure you are well aware.
Yes i believe we have steadily progressed although in a somewhat chaotic fashion.
I think the issue is that a strategy has already been implemented that is going to affect the club for years to come - the amortisation of contracts.
At some point you would assume the spending will stop - whether it’s this summer or 4 years from now the FFP headroom will run out unless you can recoup significant amounts.
Implemented strategy ?
Yes this is the problem the business strategy "long term amortisation " of big money players & equally big money contracts.
The success of this will depend on the success that the footballing side of the club can achieve.
I would suggest that this is built around the vision of the right manager.
Until the club appoint the right manager the squad will remain rudderless.
Recouping of funds?
Well the club does have an abundance of surplus players 10 + the majority of which will command fees of between 10m > 40m +
The issue is until the long term manager comes in the players will be unsettled , they will not know where they stand.
Agents will push for moves, the press will spout rubbish and the cycle will spiral. All very unsettling imo.
Surplus players:
Mendy > 30/40m
Azpilicueta > 10m
Chalaboe > 30/40m
RL Cheek > 40m
H Odio > 40m +
Pulisic> 40m+
Ziyetch > 40m+
Aubmayang> 10m+
Lukaku > 40m
+ plus we will generate loan fees 10m+
+ we will sell other loan/ squad players 20m.
These players are all saleable they represent potential sales of 300m+
All of the talk about Mount ect.ect. imo stems from the uncertainty regarding the club direction , not from a desperate need to generate finance due the lack of saleable assets.
But again , the concern is the decision making ability of the new owners imo.
comment by ifarka, (U8182)
Errm,
Well mf you do surprise me, there was life prior to Roman. 2004 > 2021 17 yrs .
Actually our fortunes began to change in ? 1996 ?
Between 96 & 2004 - 8 yrs prior to Roman was a great period as im sure you are well aware.
Yes i believe we have steadily progressed although in a somewhat chaotic fashion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My overarching point is owners make mistakes, Lord knows Roman made his fairshare of mistakes (errors which stopped us from challenging for the league consistently) as did Bates. You wont find a flawless owner, even amongst some of the best you can think of.
The overall perception of American owners in general from the outset is why people are not taking to them (or even willing to give them a chance), they are Pigeonholed and tarred with the same brush as the others. Always going to be a hard task and tough ask winning over certain fans, with that mindset. It is obvious.
The positive that they've intended to apply to the club, outweighs the negative. The signings, contract exploitation, sacking Tuchel, investment in young players in January were all with good intentions, which will pay-off in the long-term.
I'd argue their only slight error of judgement was waiting a tad too long to dismiss Tuchel. This should have been done before pre-season commenced.
Mf, from where i stand i think the new owners have burnt a lot of good capital in a very short space of time.
Where is the new owner bounce, look at Newcastle their running on good energy.
The first raft of signings was seriously flawed.
The second was equally questionable, not to say that these are not good quality footballers, but where do they fit in to a picture of a cohesive football team.
Sacking Tuchel ? well consider the issues of taking over in the manor they had to, i would suggest that Tuchel was one anchor of stability.
Was he the right man going forward>? i agree that there were flaws to his game, but knee jerk sacking due to ? what ever imo was not the best footballing decision.
Likewise with bringing in Mr Potter, nice guy and all that , but was he the man to steady a 35 man squad?
Long term , young players ect.ect. we both know how that goes , it takes time, the assets might look good on the books , but unless the squad is firing your going to get exposed.
I'd have Boehly over FSG in a heartbeat. He's tried to improve the squad and build a squad tgat could dominate for the next 6 years. Mudryk and Enzo are going to be 2 of the world's best. They've just been mismanaged by the Boy Wizard and the Hopeless one 👍
Well I agree about FSG, but Boehley & co are sailing close to the wind, they will not be able to continue to burn capital and make poor judgment calls for much longer imo. If they have not got going in the right direction by the midway point of next season , I think it may well have bitten off more than they can chew.
It’s is all very well having enthusiasm, but it has to be backed with well thought out decisions, as yet that seems to be lacking.
Also,
If Spurs don't get their act together in a hurry, they will be fighting Chelsea for a top 10 PL finish next season.
The overall perception of American owners in general from the outset is why people are not taking to them (or even willing to give them a chance), they are Pigeonholed and tarred with the same brush as the others. Always going to be a hard task and tough ask winning over certain fans, with that mindset. It is obvious.
--------------------------------------------------
This is just straight rubbish
If people were none the wiser about who owned who in regards to PL clubs there's very little chance the assumption would be our ownership was predominantly American. We're burning through WAY too much money for a start, no trace of moneyball anywhere here.
An ignorant outsider could've been forgiven for thinking we got taking over by the Saudi Arabian government instead of Newcastle & they happened to not have a clue what they were doing.
The spending in January was necessary, hand was forced...
Owners had to take the window of opportunity to spend in January on top young players to avoid serious competition for players (with the likelihood of being out of CL next season) + the CL funds being available to them this season (which won't be the case next season).
Not that difficult to comprehend.
I'm not against any of permanent January signings.
If Felix is steps foot on the pitch next season in a Chelsea shirt that would be a major 🚩🚩 and black mark against them.
I understand...Agenda' and vendettas have got to run against the big bad Americans (stigma) though.
Summer spending was a different story, clearly influenced by Tuchel. Who talked about the need for experienced (PL) players (see Aubameyang, Sterling, Cucurella, Koulibaly).
Even if that were true wouldn't them not operating like stereotypical American style ownerships, which is the reason many fans don't trust them in the first place, have quelled such fears? Whether spending loads of money was necessary or not is a different subject (you can probably guess my position), but people generally don't associate American football ownerships with operating like that.
People don't need to have agendas to disagree with you, especially random dumb ones like that
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posted on 19/4/23
A far cry from, in CFC Quad stoppers' words, the "best owners ever" eh?
posted on 19/4/23
Wouldn't call the Roman era..."25 years of steady progression" that is erraneous.
Choatic mishmash is appropriate.
posted on 19/4/23
Errm,
Well mf you do surprise me, there was life prior to Roman. 2004 > 2021 17 yrs .
Actually our fortunes began to change in ? 1996 ?
Between 96 & 2004 - 8 yrs prior to Roman was a great period as im sure you are well aware.
Yes i believe we have steadily progressed although in a somewhat chaotic fashion.
posted on 19/4/23
I think the issue is that a strategy has already been implemented that is going to affect the club for years to come - the amortisation of contracts.
At some point you would assume the spending will stop - whether it’s this summer or 4 years from now the FFP headroom will run out unless you can recoup significant amounts.
posted on 19/4/23
Implemented strategy ?
Yes this is the problem the business strategy "long term amortisation " of big money players & equally big money contracts.
The success of this will depend on the success that the footballing side of the club can achieve.
I would suggest that this is built around the vision of the right manager.
Until the club appoint the right manager the squad will remain rudderless.
Recouping of funds?
Well the club does have an abundance of surplus players 10 + the majority of which will command fees of between 10m > 40m +
The issue is until the long term manager comes in the players will be unsettled , they will not know where they stand.
Agents will push for moves, the press will spout rubbish and the cycle will spiral. All very unsettling imo.
Surplus players:
Mendy > 30/40m
Azpilicueta > 10m
Chalaboe > 30/40m
RL Cheek > 40m
H Odio > 40m +
Pulisic> 40m+
Ziyetch > 40m+
Aubmayang> 10m+
Lukaku > 40m
+ plus we will generate loan fees 10m+
+ we will sell other loan/ squad players 20m.
These players are all saleable they represent potential sales of 300m+
All of the talk about Mount ect.ect. imo stems from the uncertainty regarding the club direction , not from a desperate need to generate finance due the lack of saleable assets.
But again , the concern is the decision making ability of the new owners imo.
posted on 19/4/23
comment by ifarka, (U8182)
Errm,
Well mf you do surprise me, there was life prior to Roman. 2004 > 2021 17 yrs .
Actually our fortunes began to change in ? 1996 ?
Between 96 & 2004 - 8 yrs prior to Roman was a great period as im sure you are well aware.
Yes i believe we have steadily progressed although in a somewhat chaotic fashion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My overarching point is owners make mistakes, Lord knows Roman made his fairshare of mistakes (errors which stopped us from challenging for the league consistently) as did Bates. You wont find a flawless owner, even amongst some of the best you can think of.
The overall perception of American owners in general from the outset is why people are not taking to them (or even willing to give them a chance), they are Pigeonholed and tarred with the same brush as the others. Always going to be a hard task and tough ask winning over certain fans, with that mindset. It is obvious.
The positive that they've intended to apply to the club, outweighs the negative. The signings, contract exploitation, sacking Tuchel, investment in young players in January were all with good intentions, which will pay-off in the long-term.
I'd argue their only slight error of judgement was waiting a tad too long to dismiss Tuchel. This should have been done before pre-season commenced.
posted on 19/4/23
Mf, from where i stand i think the new owners have burnt a lot of good capital in a very short space of time.
Where is the new owner bounce, look at Newcastle their running on good energy.
The first raft of signings was seriously flawed.
The second was equally questionable, not to say that these are not good quality footballers, but where do they fit in to a picture of a cohesive football team.
Sacking Tuchel ? well consider the issues of taking over in the manor they had to, i would suggest that Tuchel was one anchor of stability.
Was he the right man going forward>? i agree that there were flaws to his game, but knee jerk sacking due to ? what ever imo was not the best footballing decision.
Likewise with bringing in Mr Potter, nice guy and all that , but was he the man to steady a 35 man squad?
Long term , young players ect.ect. we both know how that goes , it takes time, the assets might look good on the books , but unless the squad is firing your going to get exposed.
posted on 19/4/23
I'd have Boehly over FSG in a heartbeat. He's tried to improve the squad and build a squad tgat could dominate for the next 6 years. Mudryk and Enzo are going to be 2 of the world's best. They've just been mismanaged by the Boy Wizard and the Hopeless one 👍
posted on 19/4/23
Well I agree about FSG, but Boehley & co are sailing close to the wind, they will not be able to continue to burn capital and make poor judgment calls for much longer imo. If they have not got going in the right direction by the midway point of next season , I think it may well have bitten off more than they can chew.
It’s is all very well having enthusiasm, but it has to be backed with well thought out decisions, as yet that seems to be lacking.
posted on 19/4/23
Also,
If Spurs don't get their act together in a hurry, they will be fighting Chelsea for a top 10 PL finish next season.
posted on 19/4/23
The overall perception of American owners in general from the outset is why people are not taking to them (or even willing to give them a chance), they are Pigeonholed and tarred with the same brush as the others. Always going to be a hard task and tough ask winning over certain fans, with that mindset. It is obvious.
--------------------------------------------------
This is just straight rubbish
If people were none the wiser about who owned who in regards to PL clubs there's very little chance the assumption would be our ownership was predominantly American. We're burning through WAY too much money for a start, no trace of moneyball anywhere here.
An ignorant outsider could've been forgiven for thinking we got taking over by the Saudi Arabian government instead of Newcastle & they happened to not have a clue what they were doing.
posted on 19/4/23
The spending in January was necessary, hand was forced...
Owners had to take the window of opportunity to spend in January on top young players to avoid serious competition for players (with the likelihood of being out of CL next season) + the CL funds being available to them this season (which won't be the case next season).
Not that difficult to comprehend.
I'm not against any of permanent January signings.
If Felix is steps foot on the pitch next season in a Chelsea shirt that would be a major 🚩🚩 and black mark against them.
I understand...Agenda' and vendettas have got to run against the big bad Americans (stigma) though.
posted on 19/4/23
Summer spending was a different story, clearly influenced by Tuchel. Who talked about the need for experienced (PL) players (see Aubameyang, Sterling, Cucurella, Koulibaly).
posted on 19/4/23
Even if that were true wouldn't them not operating like stereotypical American style ownerships, which is the reason many fans don't trust them in the first place, have quelled such fears? Whether spending loads of money was necessary or not is a different subject (you can probably guess my position), but people generally don't associate American football ownerships with operating like that.
People don't need to have agendas to disagree with you, especially random dumb ones like that
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